whirlwind trip in paris. the president and first lady waving good-bye to france as they boarded air force one. before leaving, the trumps joined france's president to mark bastille day in a massive practice raid. it's been 100 years since american troops arrived on french soil to join world war i. the two men say good-bye to each other with an epic handshake that has everyone talking. >> multiple angles of this handshake which we will show you in a little bit. the president will return to united states facing new questions about what he knew and when he knew about his son's e-mails in meetings with a russian lawyer. now white house aides are under scrutiny by the special counsel for their response to the russia controversy with the president's eldest son. you will remember that they crafted that response reportedly last saturday on the president's trip home from europe. he had a trip to europe last week on the way home, the white house helped craft the response the initial "new york times" story about the white house. >> we don't know who "the white house" is and whether or not
president trump was involved in crafting that. >> you'll remember that initial response also mentioned nothing about the fact that don junior was promised information from the russian government about hillary clinton. it mentioned only adoptions. >> right. so maggie haverman who is with the "new york times," as well as cnn, she was the pool reporter on the trip to france. she's coming back home from the trip. they had something like a 70-minute gaggle on the plane where they were able to ask president trump about all of this. let's go live to paris. we want to bring in cnn political analyst and "new york times" white house correspondent maggie haverman. she's traveling with the president. great to see you on your fabulous assignment there in paris. >> fabulous. >> it does seem fabulous. but tell us about this flight that you took where you all had a long extended conversation with the president that at first you thought was off the record but turns out is on the record. so share with us the headlines. >> sure.
a couple things just to clarify. it was 60 minutes, not 70 minutes. we thought it was off the record because sarah sanders, the principal deputy press secretary asked for it to be off the record. the president, however, seemed unclear on that. yesterday i happened to be the print pool. i was the person who was covering his initial bilateral meeting with the french president. he called out, why didn't i use what he had said on the plane and i explained that that had been off the record. that sort of began the process of this becoming on the record. but it was fascinating. it was the longest that we have heard him talk and answer questions in quite some time. talked about a wide range of topics. he talked about his son and this meeting with this russian lawyer, defended him. said much of what he said publicly but he said it with a little more detail and description. he talked about his meeting with putin. he said something that we hadn't heard the white house say about that meeting before, which was that he had told putin that there couldn't be a, quote,
unquote, scintilla of doubt about the united states elections. he talked about his view of the border wall and where that stood. he maintained that he is working toward an infrastructure bill. he talked about france and looking forward to this meeting with the french president where there was very much a reset in their relationship. and it was, as you know, speaking with this president, he has a certain speaking tile. oftentimes the conversation ends up on the top of a hill and ends in the bottom of a valley. it was the best mood i had seen him in quite some time. he clearly felt as if they had turned some corner on this issue surrounding his son. i think that other people would disagree with that, but that was where his mind was. >> there seemed to be an issue with some of the language you use -- he used. he mentions his speaking style. he told reuters before he left about don junior's meeting with the russian lawyer. "no, i didn't know until a couple of days ago when i heard about this. no, i didn't know about that." and then in the full pool report
of the meeting, it took a revision to get this out, a comment was made by the president that said, "in fact, maybe it was mentioned at some point." maggie, it was unclear reading the pool report what exactly he was referring to by that one discrete comment. do you have any idea? >> right. my interpretation of what he meant by that -- and to be clear, the transcript that the white house put out, they did not include that bit in the press pool we did put that part out because it was a significant omission. at the time, it sounded as if what he was actually talking about -- he was talking about adoptions, russian adoptions, which is the pretext that the trump folks had initially said this meeting was about before later acknowledging that it was actually something about hillary clinton and dirt on her. he was talking about russian adoptions and the issue of russian adoptions. my read on what he was saying was that was what he was referring to, was the topic.
it was not clear that he meant the meeting. i followed up and said, did anyone tell you this was about hillary clinton and about russia and dirt? and he said, no. however, again, what exactly he knew and when he knew it is a huge topic of interest. i asked the white house to clarify what he was referring to. they didn't respond. >> so the president didn't say exactly when he found out. >> i'm sorry? >> the president didn't tell you exactly -- >> he said at the beginning of that whole exchange that he had just found out about the meeting two or three days ago. and then he talked about adoptions. and then he said something about, well, actually, maybe, you know, i think somebody may have mentioned "it." and the "it" appeared to be the subject of russian adoptions, not that there had been this meeting. >> you know, so interesting. >> but any are going to have to clarify what he meant at some point. >> exactly. they are. which gets to the issue of sort of the peril in having a president speak off the record to reporters for 60 minutes if that leader -- if the president, he or she, says something which
either runs counter to what they are saying in public or raises more questions. it is fascinating that that was not part of the crypt initially released by the white house. i don't know whether there was intent there to withhold it because they knew there was a problem or not. it is also interesting, maggie -- you noted this yesterday -- which is that the president himself seems much more willing and eager, and happy, to speak to the press in free flowing unrestricted ways than his staff wants him to be. >> correct. look, most presidents in recent decades have, frankly, wanted to engage more with the press, or at least in specific ways with the press, that their staffs may not have wanted them to. but this president, more than most, for a lot of reasons. but one of which is that it is such a way in which he deals with the world, is talking to the press over three, four decades at this point, that that's what he knows. in terms of your point about the perils of an off-the-record that was 60 minutes long, there's a peril with an off-the-record discussion with a president, whether it is five minutes long
or three minutes long or 60 minutes long. these issues are always fraught. this was not the first time he has come to the back of the plane and spoken off the record and i'm very happy that this went on the record. >> maggie, when he told you that what he said to putin was, "there couldn't be a scintilla of doubt about russian meddling," what does that mean? >> it seemed to indicate that -- there's clearly much more to this meeting. look, whatever it was -- 2 hours 16 minute meeting. there is a lot we don't know about what was said, but it appeared to be something that is of concern for republicans and for democrats that, remember, there was a lot of opposition research from the democratic committees that was taken about a number of members of congress and candidates. there is a question about whether people can, a, be living in fear that there is going to be more coming in the next year-and-a-half, and, b, that people need to believe in the united states that their elections are not being meddled with and are secure, and that
was the message he was sending. how hard he sent it, what else he said, we don't know. but it was an interesting remark. >> ah, yes. it is an interesting remark. because he is talking about everything mo forwa moving forward. he's talking about the future. he is not saying there is a scintilla of doubt that russia was behind what happened in the past. >> he's been very -- you saw what he said as well as we heard it and what he said on the plane about that is really no different than what he said publicly. only addition to -- or off the plane. the only addition to it was saying, when we pressed him about would you -- why would you accept that, or some version of that, why accept that from putin's wore for it, he said i asked him twice and i asked him in a completely different way. he had already said that to reuters before he got on air force one. then he said to us on the plane, what are you going to do at that point? get into a fistfight? that was the only addition. he was not moved off of this. so again, he is still not taking any form of hard line that we're aware of that he accepts the
findings of the intelligence community. and in fact, in that same plane ride, he again did the lots of countries hacked, china is terrible. so this is no different than what you've heard him say before. i understand that it was -- but it was 60 minutes sounds tantalize ugg. b but a lot of it was very similar to what we've heard. >> we may never have found out about the meeting between don junior and the russian lawyer if not for "the new york times." president trump is on the plane right now returning home from paris, like he was last saturday returning home from a european trip where "the new york times" reported he approved that initial response to your reporting that was misleading, that the meeting was really only about adoption. right? did he do anything to dispel that in this conversation yesterday? >> he acknowledged what has been said publicly. he did the exact same thing. but, no, he did not suggest anything beyond the parameters of what has already been reported. i assume you've seen the
transcript of what was said on the plane. >> all right. maggie haberman, great to have you with us. thank you so much for that insight into this sort of epic free-wheeling conversation between president and press corps. in my own opinion is that maggie is absolutely right. it is eexception that that conversation be on the record, particularly because it went beyond what the white house and president has said on the record. >> your opinion matters to me. and all of us. let's bring in our panel. cnn political analyst david gregory, white house correspondent from bloomberg news, margaret talub, and congressional report for the "washington post," karyn dimersian. david greg worygregory, what ar thoughts? >> it is always interesting when in he president takes it upon himself to meet with those reporters covering him and speak if had a way that's kind of open-ended. i would like to see a lot more of this from president trump in the form of a formal press conference. but i think in any form it is
important. it often makes aides nervous and it absolutely should be on the record. and we learn something from it, including -- and especially what maggie is talking about with regard to his own insights about the meeting with russia. i still think there is a lot of inconsistencies there. the president has continually undermined the notion that russia interfered with the election. he has publicly said it would have been then, it could have been others. that is not the consensus from the intelligence community of the united states, including his own intelligence officials that he has put into place. and he has given then putin room to just deny it and explain itself away. it's not only accounting for what his own campaign team might have done to welcome information and cooperate with the russians who are trying to hurt hillary clinton, it is now a matter of what are you going to do to present supr prevent such thing from happening in the future? the fact that he gives putin cover or space seems likely it
will happen again. the other problem with trump, it is quite clear the president believes he is his best spokesman. he seems to have little confidence in others unless they just show a kind of toughness that he likes, whether its pea a d distraction or not. the danger is he is inconsistent. he says things that aren't true. he says things that are incomplete. there is a legal investigation going on. there is a political process that's under way. it also hurts his ability because he wants to be everywhere all the time, to channel his political capital into actually moving a legislative agenda, as we know health care is kind of hanging on by a thread. >> now that mystery that maggie haberman was talking about that the white house did not include in the original transcript that said in fact maybe it was mentioned at some point, talking about some aspect of the meeting with donald trump jr. cnn reporting overnight that now people inside the white house are talking about aides inside the white house, feel they might be under scrutiny by the special counsel because of the way they responded to the initial "new
york times" reporting. the last week of response, maybe even going back to when jared kushner's legal team first found out about these e-mails and turned them over and he was interviewed by the fbi, going back into mid-june. >> yeah. but, i think it is fair to say that for months now, certainly since jim comey began his testimony on capitol hill, every senior aide of the white house has been aware that they may need to seek legal counsel at some point, that they need to figure out what to do to manage their e-mails or conversations that they've had to figure out part of the thinking with moving the president's legal advice for russia outside of the white house counsel's office to a private team was to try to kind of begin to firewall and question those things. this is sort of a new turn in a concern that's been building for a while. while the president's off-the-record discussion on air force one is certainly very interesting and illuminating, the big news of the week still remains the guiding news still remains the release of those e-mails by don junior and the
acknowledgement of what they mean. that has created a jumping off point on all of these other fronts. we know who was on air force one that day. gary cohn, steve mnuchin, h.r. mcmaster, among other aides. we know of course who the top advisors at the white house are, and now the obvious questions are being asked about who accompanied the russian lawyer to that meeting. who on the campaign team was informed about the meeting before it happened. what were the discussions after the fact. all of these are now kind of jumping-off points that bob mueller's team, as well as congressional investigators are going to be asking questions about. that's why all of the president's testimony, as it were, whether it is in a news conference or off the record on an airplane, if the white house stenographers are there and there is a tape recording of it, portions of it may still be off the record for public consumption. but not for investigators. >> all of this is set against
the backdrop of the president's visit to paris with all of its pomp and circumstance for bastille day. and the very interesting, evolving relationship between president macron of france and president trump. so they had this epic handshake that had never different permutations. it involved a hug. it involved a group handshake hug. so what do you see in this relationship? >> well, we made the point before that for the president, politics is personal. he is much more interested if those kinds of interpersonal relationships than maybe the nitty-gritty and long task of crafting policy. there is a lot that they could actually find in common as much as they don't agree on policy. they are both the upstart candidates from their campaigns. they both kind of took the political field by storm. they've both now become president, two very powerful nations that are in the u.n. security council that are going to be dealing with each other on many of the most important international issues that there
are. macron had made a very concerted effort to, as much as he's criticized trump and he disagrees with him, the paris climate accords were a real departure for the two of them, he has made a real hand to extend the hand of friend sshipo invite trump to the biggest day they have in france to basically roll out all the stops they have in this display that they had right there. we've been showing and analyzing. that seems designed to appeal to trump and it also seems to have work. trump seems to have an affinity for macron. as we have said, he is the same age as his kids basically. it is both that he sees somebody there that he kind of likes maybe and admires but also maybe doesn't see as any sort of political threat because he wasn't around before and dealing with obama who trump consistently measures himself up against even though he's speaking disparagingly of obama, he's always making that comparison. here it is kind ever a clean legislate with somebody who's clearly interested in working
with him and we'll see who is the better politician as we move forward. >> david, quick final thought. >> i was going to say, i think it is really striking on the part of macron who wants to be the european leader who can basically bring trump around on issues like climate change or trade or his positions about terrorism. even his rhetorical slights against europe at large. i think he understands the key to donald trump's heart is to lavish praise and importance on him, to make him feel big, to feel legitimate, to feel honored. i think that's what this day represents. it shows there is not a rigidity to president trump's thinking about foreign affairs. that personal chemistry i think is what's really important. it will be interesting to see how this relationship evolves. >> all right, guys. thanks so much. president trump says he would consider inviting vladimir putin to the white house. how do lawmakers feel about this? we will ask next. across the country, we walk.
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president trump defending his son while on the world stage in paris. listen to this. >> my son is a wonderful young man. he took a meeting with a russian lawyer, not a government lawyer, but a russian lawyer. it was a short meeting. it was a meeting that went very, very quickly, very fast. >> all right. joining me now, congressman adam
kinsinger, mem remembber of the foreign affairs committee. first point to clear this up, president people said many people would have taken that meeting. would you, sir, congressman, have taken the meeting? >> absolutely not. there are a couple of points to this. some on the other side of the aisle are really hysteric about this. we don't know full details. i've heard the word treason. this isn't treason. on the other hand, to dismiss this and say anybody would have met with anybody, that may be the case if you have an e-mail that says, hey, i have some information on your opponent. but when you see that it is from the russian government, courtesy of your friend, vladimir, or whatever, that's when you hit hard stop on that. that's when i, frankly, if it would have happened to me i would call the fbi and say, hey, this or that government is offering me information, do you want me to take this meeting as counterespionage or something. but i certainly would not take a meeting with any kind of foreign intelligence agency. >> congressman, this sounds like a strange question, but how old are you? >> i'm 39. almost 40. >> almost happy birthday.
you are the same age as the president's son, donald trump jr. who he consistently refers to as a wonderful young man, as if to suggest that maybe he's not old enough to understand the implications of the meeting? do you think your age is an impediment to understanding that the meeting might not be appropriate? >> no. but you know, look, also, i have been in the military, we learned -- i've had a security clearance for a very long time. and that's not an excuse but the other thing is just, if you hear that something is provided by a government, even if it is our friends in canada or friends in australia, that's when you go to the fbi and say, look, somebody's offering me information and they usually don't do it out of the goodness of their heart. there is usually a payback on the back end of that. >> you don't think your military training was required to understand that an offer from the russian government was inappropriate. >> nope. not at all. >> all right. let me ask you about something that happened. we learned yesterday that president trump spoke to reporters for quite a long time. he thought it was originally off
the record, we found out it was on the record. one thing he discussed was the possibility of vladimir putin visiting the white house. he was asked if he would invite the russian leader. he said i don't think it is the right time but the answer is, yes, i would. folks, we have perhaps the second-most powerful nuclear country in the world. if you don't have a dialogue, you have to be fools. fools. it would be easiest thing for me to say to all of you, i will never speak to him and everybody would love me. but i have to do what's right. opening up the possibility of a white house meeting, if not now, at some point. you were on the house foreign affairs committee. is that a good idea? >> i don't have a problem with it, but not now. i think as part of negotiations, as part of diplomacy in the future, sure. but i think we have to make some things very clear early. i hope when -- i hope it's been delivered prior, but if it happens soon, maybe the president can deliver our russian sanctions bill that i think we'll pass in the next week or two. there's tweaks we are working out between both sides. i think that's going to get done. we need to sanction russia for
our election interference, not just on us but on our allies. i think it is fine to have negotiations, fine to have talks. what i think a lot of us are waiting for, we see a president with, frankly, a pretty hawkish russia foreign policy. i think more so than the last administration. what we're begging for him out here is to say some words, rec f -- recognizing half a million syrians are dead and that regime is the incubator for isis. that's the kind of things we want to hear. we hear it in the administration around the president. i have no problem with vladimir putin coming to the white house, but i do hope it is not now because we need to make some strong statements. >> you were talking about conditions in which he'd be comfortable with vladimir putin coming to the white house, you weren't talking about conditions you would like -- or concessions you want from vladimir putin. you were talking about things you'd like to see from the president before vladimir putin is invited to the white house. >> i think we can get those concessions from vladimir putin when the president is very forceful about that. look, russia understands -- they have an economy that's about
1/20 our size. they are not our equal. their military is in disrepair. satellite states reject their philosophy. to think of russians as our equal, they simply aren't. but we need the president to put down -- the term's been overused, but basically red lines to say here are areas where we can't accept. he's done that in policy, striking the syrian base, shooting down the su-22, hitting these iranian elements in the deconnecticflict zones. >> you and i spoke before the president met with vladimir putin. you talked about the need sort of for a brick wall on the idea of russian election meddling. and now a lot has been discussed about what actually happened inside that meeting, the rex tillerson version of it, the sergey lavrov version of it, now we have more from the president
himself who said he did ask vladimir putin a couple of times whether or not russia meddled in the election. what's your assessment now a week later of how the president handled it based on what you've been told? >> truthfully, i think the president went in there and did actually pretty well. i think nobody expected him to bring up -- we were talking on all the shows, do you expect him to bring up election meddling? most people said no. he brought it up immediately. i think that probably would have caught vladimir putin off guard. >> but he asked. he didn't tell. he asked did you do it, not you did do it and stop. >> i don't know the details. the fact that he brought it up was surprising to me and i was actually pleased about it. i don't believe trump in his heart believes vladimir putin is lying that he didn't do it. this guy is a former kgb agent. however, where the damage is done is not in the meeting. meetings are meetings or dynamics, or whatever. it is the tweeting afterwards, when you have the thing about the fusion cyber unit with russia, that really took the president off a message of, hey,
we were strong against russia. so he had to walk that back, and did. so i think it is the tweeting in many cases. i hear my colleagues, my friends, everybody say it, that tends to take him off message of where he could be. >> congressman adam kinzinger of illinois, thanks for being with us. >> any time. thank you. president trump says he only learned about his son's meeting with the russian lawyer in the last few days, but there are other reports that his lawyers have known for weeks. so what was the timing of this? david axelrod will give us the bottom line next. because tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites - so you save up to 30% on the hotel you want. lock it in. tripadvisor.
what did president trump know about his son's meeting with the russian attorney, and when did he know it? let's get to the bottom line with cnn political commentator, david axelrod. these are the questions of course, david, investigators are asking now that it's come to light about these e-mails that don junior released and there is all sorts of conflicting reporting and stories out of the white house about the timeline here. what do you see? >> well with be part of the conflict has been created by the president himself who has said various things about when he learned about these e-mails.
did he learn just a few days ago as he was saying originally? or is it a few weeks ago as has been roar been reported now. we don't know. but the key question is whether he knew about the meeting in the first place. it is really hard for me to believe that don junior was acting on information and meeting arranged by people who were known to donald trump, former business partners to donald trump with connections to the russian regime and to putin and had a meeting that included paul manafort and jared kushner to the two top figures in his campaign, and nobody told trump. we know this about the trump operation -- it was tight, it was small, and donald trump was at the center of it. the fact that no one would come to him and say, hey, we just got a hip that we may have some information that could be dynamite in this campaign seems inplausible to me.
i'm sure investigators are going to drill down into that question. >> i don't know that i agree with you, because what we've heard out of the white house is they didn't know who this person was, they didn't know what they were going to get. so i can imagine a scenario where, let's not bother donald trump sr. until we know what we have our hands on here. >> i have to push back on you. i want to be fair to the president, but these e-mails came from someone who was known to both him and -- to both don jr. and the president. >> you're right about that. >> understood. the point is he got an e-mail from someone who said i am going to send you someone who is connected with the russian regime with information from the russian government. and the people who were presenting this were people who were known to both trumps, people with whom donald trump had done business. this has to be a focus of
interest for these investigators. >> and that will be. i think that's clear, special counsel bob mueller will be looking into that and investigate that the best he can. david, interesting last night, two former presidents, george w. bush and bill clinton, they were in dallas speaking at a presidential leadership scholars event. they were talking about the values of humility. listen to this. >> i think it starts with bill clinton being a person who refused to lord his victory over dad. in other words, he was humble in victory, which is very important in dealing with other people. >> if you want to be president, realize it is about the people, not about you. you want to be able to say, people are better off when i quit, kids have a better future, things were coming together. you don't want to say, god, look at all the people i beat! >> they were speaking to the people who were in that crowd, david. but do you think perhaps they had a different audience in mind? >> yeah, i don't think that was
very subtle. clearly, they were referencing the man who's there now. and they're right about both things. the first is, i really -- i was blown away. i have the office next to the president of the united states for two years. and when you see what comes to that desk, the complexity of these issues, serially one hour after the next hour, one after another, issues that have grave implications, many of which require a lot of expertise, you want to bring people around you who are going to give you good advice. you want to be able to synthesize that advice. you can't run it like the trump organization. it is not like you are the center of everything, you can make all of these decisions based on your own experience and knowledge. and that is something every president has to be able to do. the second point is also true which is, at the end of the day, you are there as a servant. you are there to do things for the american people and to try
and make progress for the american people and for this country. and if you view it all in very personal terms, it doesn't go well. we've seen that in the first six months. >> david, tell us about the latest episode of the axe files where you sat down with congressman john lewis. actually we have a clip. let's play it and then you can talk about it. >> i think one of the most momentous events in the civil rights movement was when abc cut into their screening of judging the nuremberg which is a film on war crimes to do a film on bloody sunday chronicling the attack on you and the people you were marching with. that, as much as anything, probably led to the expediting of the voting rights act. >> well, the american people saw
that footage. they didn't like it. people started speaking up. they started marching all across america. in a matter of a few days, there was demonstration in more than 80 cities. almost on every major college and university campus. at the white house. at the department of justice. they were demanding that president johnson act, that the congress act. and also the press. i said over and over again, without the media, without the pre press, civil rights movement would have been like a bird without wings. >> that airs tonight at 10:00. david, what do we need to know about it? >> well, listen, john lewis is an american hero. he put his life on the line again and again as a very young man during the civil rights movement in order to secure the right to vote for people, the right to sit at lunch counters, ride public transportation. he speaks with a moral authority
of someone who really did put it on the line. his thoughts there on the media seem very relevant today. he reminds us of how important it is for reporters to be there to bear witness, because that is essential to democracy. so i was -- it was a really, really great conversation with an extraordinary man. i hope people tune in. >> can't wait to see it. that's 10:00 tonight eastern right here on cnn. david axelrod, thanks so much. >> thanks, you guys. have a great day. up next for us -- check out this pretty incredible scene five years ago. it has happened again, but this time with deadly consequences. the caribbean beach tradition took a tragic turn. but first, the cnn series, "the history of comedy" returns sunday night. it explores how humor crosses the cultural divide. here is a little taste. you see the beautiful thing about ethnic humor is while you're making those observations about us, hey, we're making
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gormley. learn those names. a pair of high school students outside of seattle who landed a big scoop with an interview with a notoriously media-shy member of the trump administration, james mattis. they join us now. this is fascinating how this all began. explain to us how you came up with this notion of going after james mattis. >> well, i found out about his number being leaked through "the washington post." i like to watch the news and do so regularly, but i don't always read all the content. i just like to look at the headlines whenever i can. and so i saw a headline that his number had been leaked. i knew who mattis was. i'm fairly interested in foreign policy. and so mattis is somebody that i looked up to. so i was curious right off the bat. >> teddy, hold on a second. was it you who spotted the post-it note on the folder that
was being carried by donald trump's long-time bodyguard there. and you see blurred a little post-it note. it turned out that was the cell phone number of secretary mattis. did you just zoom in on it or did you just read of the numb abouter somewhere online? >> well, i didn't find it originally. "the washington post" took it down but somebody in the comments in that article -- follow-up article still had it. there was a picture and i just flipped it upside down, zoomed in. i just put the number in my contacts. >> and you called him? you say, hey, general, it's me, teddy, how you doing? >> well, i called him to just see if it was him. i didn't leave a message. when i called, it went to his voicemail and in that mail he identified himself and i recognized his voice. so i just, for laughs, sent it to one of my friends in
journalism. we should debating what we should text him. if it was a joke or something like that. then i just decided to ask for an interview. >> what exactly did you say that got him to call you back? >> i think i took more of a casual approach. i know he likes being called just jim. a lot of people thought that was actually disrespectful because the text got published. i just said hi, jim, and i told him who i was. my grade level. my school. my paper, and then washington state because i told him i was from washington because mattis is also from washington state. i just asked for an interview. >> so, jane, you were integral in helping craft the questions, then writing the article here. maybe writing for a high school paper is different than "the new york times." what did you want to get out of the defense secretary and what did you make of his responses? >> right. i think that from the beginning once we knew that we had gotten
this interview, teddy knows so much about foreign policy and politics and he'sle really well informed on that. from the beginning we knew that he wanted to do a story on that. then because we knew this was such a big story, such a good catch, that from the beginning i know that i wanted to take more of a human interest approach and try and do a reflection and ask questions that the reporters that can normally reach him wouldn't be able to because of our high school angle, i think. >> great thinking. so what did you get, jane? what was the thing that was most surprising to you that he said? >> i think that overall i was -- i loved how the focus just throughout the entire interview was on education. not just in my questions that were directly asking about education and history and things like that, but in a lot of teddy's questions that were about military policy and things like that. the answers a lot of the time came back to education. >> if fact, he said he loved
that. he said that he thinks about that a lot, what kids should study now to prepare them for a life in politics. he was so happy for -- to have those questions from you guys. great job, guys! john is very nervous that both of you are coming to take our jobs here tomorrow. >> great job until we see an interview with zucker next week. >> congratulations, you guys. it is such a great article. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we direct everybody to read it at "the islander." thanks so much for being with us. thanks to all of you. have a great weekend. "cnn newsroom" with pamela brown picks up after this very quick break. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job.
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