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chairman paul manafort. a reminder here, this revelation coming just three days after don junior himself declared complete transparency and that there was nothing else to see here. >> so as far as you know, as far as this incident concerned, this is all of it. >> this is everything. this is everything. >> let's go live to cnn's jessica schneider at the white house. jessica, what more are you learning about this meeting. >> reporter: we've learned that that russian-american lobbyist, rinat akhmetshin, he has confirmed that he was at this june 2016 meeting that involved a multitude of people. we know that it was led, perhaps, by donald trump jr. it also involved campaign chair paul manafort as well as the president's son -in-law and now top adviser jared kushner. this is a story that began last saturday with the "new york times" and we've continued to get drips of details throughout the week. now, this particular person, rinat akhmetshin, he's of concern because senator chuck
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grassley actually raised some concerns about him in a letter dating back just a few months ago when he wrote to homeland security secretary john kelly, requesting the immigration information about him. and in that letter, senator grassley actually called rinat akhmetshin, he said he was acting as an unregistered agent for russian interests apparently with, quote, ties to russian intelligence. in those news roshts and the interviews he's given to multiple news outlets, akhmetshin says he has no ties to the kremlin, no ties to russian intelligence. he does say that he served as a russian soldier for two years. he was a russian citizen. he is now an american citizen but of course this also concerning because this was not nirnlly disclosed by donald trump jr. so far, we have seen two different statements from donald trump jr., one on saturday, one on sunday, and in that, he only mentioned his meeting with the russian lawyer, natalia veselnitskaya. never mentioning another person, of course, in that interview as well with conservative host sean hannity on tuesday night.
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after the e-mails were released, donald trump jr. said that was it. everything in the e-mails were all everyone needed to know. well now, of course, it has come out that this additional russian-american lobbyist was also in that meeting. the white house right now, not responding, of course, or not issuing a comment, of course, the president is on his way back to the united states on air force one. we do know, however, ana, that a white house official tells us that top aides, of course, are aware of this yet-again changing story as it pertains to this meeting back in june tw2016 andf course as you can imagine, these top aides not happy about what has become yet a third version of this meeting. >> and we've had a lot of different statements that have come out all as these details have been revealed. the president we brought to our viewers live, did just land back in the u.s., in new jersey, where he's going to be spending the weekend at one of his properties. jessica schneider, we'll wait and see if they issue a statement now that he's back. i want to discuss this with my
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panel. former nixon white house counsel and cnn contributor, john dean, and cnn political analyst and politico's white house correspondent. your reaction first to this breaking news. more people in this room than had been previously disclosed. >> well, right, it just goes to show you that there's a lot of evidence to gather here as the special counsel tries to figure this out. it's another set of witnesses that may have information that's important to the investigation. you know, i think you don't look at one meeting existing solely in a vacuum. i think you have to look at the entire arc of behavior. but certainly the more people are in the room, the more likely you are to get a clear sense of what was and wasn't said in that meeting. >> john dean, we still have a lot to learn about the individual and why he was there, rinat akhmetshin, a russian-american lobbyist, but bottom line here, the white house, the trump family, they still haven't been totally transparent about this meeting. what could that mean, legally? >> well, first of all, it's
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striking that they haven't learn bid now to release as much information as they have sooner rather than later. it keeps the story alive, it raises suspicion. legally, we know so little about the meeting, it's hard to say. my first thought was, is this one of the names that jared added to his list on his fs-86 form, his security clearance form. or is this another missing name? anyway, the fact that they just hold back until it's forced out is just sure signs of covering up rather than trying to get it out and disclose it. >> is there a legal term that you would use, then, in terms of if you were to look at this very much from a legal perspective about crimes that could be involved here? >> i'm not sure there's a crime involved in this meeting, per se. it's a part of a pattern. it shows a mental state that if crimes do surface, because don
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junior is not in government and had to fill out no forms, and has given no testimony on this, it doesn't look like he has any immediate legal jeopardy. it's the others who are more in jeopardy there. he will be, if he doesn't testify fully about the meeting when called to appear before congress or a grand jury, but right now, i don't see a legal jeopardy on this meeting. >> again, tara, we have not heard from the white house since this new revelation came out, but i understand you have some insight into how jared kushner, who was at the meeting, how he thinks the white house should be handling this story. of course, he is a member of the administration, one of the president's top aides. tell us about this. >> my sources in the white house say that jared has been putting a lot of pressure on the press in communication shot to really fight more aggressively against the russia story, specifically the don junior meeting. meanwhile, these staffers, a lot of them, you know, on government salaries, feel very
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uncomfortable about being aggressive with this story. all we've seen is sarah sanders, heard her at the podium with very simple statements. but he thinks they should be more aggressive. they should be fighting for changes to the chyrons in the cable news shows, that surrogates should be armed and out immediately fighting against the story, that there are ways for the press shop to be involved while not being legally culpable, but like i said, there's a lot of concern, people are telling me, you know, knowing less is more, we don't want to know anything about this russia investigation. we don't want to talk about it, because a lot of these people, they're going to be stuck with tons of legal bills if they know too much. >> and don that front, should they be saying less or more, john dean? >> well, their lawyers will tell them to say less. i remember well in watergate that while the press secretary never got himself indicted, his
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statements where he was reflecting, did come to play in both the impeachment proceeding and in some of the criminal trials. so, these things can have implications when they make public statements. so that's why the lawyers will tell them to zip it and don't talk about it. >> meantime, devlin, you are reporting about the challenges facing trump's legal team and dealing with the president, specifically, when it comes to the russia investigation. lay it out for us. >> right. well, the president is a very tricky legal client. that may actually be an understatement. he doesn't really take legal advice oftentimes. and he, you know, in some ways, makes legal problems worse with some of his public statements and his tweets. you know, so our story sort of lays out the different ways in which that's creating a problem, but everything tara and john are saying is absolutely right and frankly feed into this rob. people in the white house keep reacting and responding to this as if it's simply a pr problem and the challenge the lawyers
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are explaining is, no, no, you have a legal problem now and there's going to come a time and we may have already reached it for some of you where the legal problems are more important than the pr problems right now. so that's the tension that you're seeing and those are the disagreements and different points of view that are being tossed around internally, and some of that tension and some of that disagreement, you're seeing come outside, bubble up. >> i want to read just one little portion of that article that you wrote. one of the authors of this article, it says, he won't follow instructions, he won't compartmentalize, he won't discipline himself, and you give the example, devlin, after one meeting in which they urged trump to steer clear of a certain topic, he went out and sent a tweet about the very thing before his legal counsel arrived back at their office. so john dean, if you were advising the president, if you were one of his lawyers dpeeali with this, what would you do? >> i guess you can just keep repeating the problems and the implications they have for him
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and try to explain them. the white house counsel today does not really represent the president, per se. really, they represent the office of the president, and they could speak out and say, mr. president, you're hurting the office. and we have a duty to represent that office well. so, they're really in a bind when he does this sort of thing. and apparently, a lifetime of doing this is not going to be changesed very quickly. >> devlin, you also have some new reporting about the white house pushing the rnc to pay for legal fees associated with the russia investigation? >> right. there are folks around the president who would like the republican national committee to help pay the president's legal costs. obviously, this is not going to be a small legal bill. it's not a small legal bill now. it's only going to get bigger. and there's apparently what's been described to us euphemistically as a robust discussion of the differing points of view on that. so it hasn't been resolved as
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far as we can tell but there is a desire on the part of some people close to the president so have the national committee pay his legal bills and i think that's going to be a heavy lift for them to convince the rooinc do that. >> tara, what are you hearing about the mood in the white house following the latest revelations? >> for the past week, white house staffers have been telling me that they thought it was kind of conspiracy, the entire time, the russia investigations, but to actually see don junior's e-mails and to read through the back and forth, it's starting to really feel real to a lot of people and i think they're taking it a bit more seriously. to some people, they're hearing on tv, they're hearing from legal experts that this could be a smoking gun, so people are naturally very nervous, and they are feeling uncomfortable in their positions and wondering what is the next step. they also -- one aide said to me, how much longer can we say that this is just a conspiracy?
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>> john dean, how exposed would white house staffers be if they were involved in the initial response that omitted information and, in fact, wasn't 100% accurate when we first learned of the meeting that donald trump jr. had with the russian lawyer and now it turns out a few others? >> i think their most immediate jeopardy is to become witnesses, to have to go to the grand jury and testify about something that happened in a meeting, some exchange or information they've been given. they don't look like they're principals unless they somehow become active in what is an obstruction of justice to try to impair the investigation, but i would think by now, they've read enough in the newspaper to know about that crime that so haunted watergate, the obstruction which no one knew about until watergate. certainly knew about it after watergate. so i think that's really just being a witness and getting drawn in and knowing how to deal with that and seeking the
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comfort of counsel as to what they should or should not do in those circumstances. >> what if they can't afford counsel? >> well, that's a problem. a lot of people in the white house during watergate, that happened, happened during iran contra, happened during the lewinsky. it seems to be one of the jeopardies of going to work there. it's like a student loan, maybe. you have to take it and deal with it later. >> all right, john dean, devlin barrett, and tara palmeri, thank you all. a conservative icon calling the trump team pathetic over the don junior meeting. why he says this is collusion. we'll discuss. plus, one more no vote, that's how close the republican health care bill is from failing. hear what the president is doing to try and save it. and from a white knuckle handshake to an everlasting one. it just goes on and on and on. trump and macron's french
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mitch mcconnell's new health care bill is being met with widespread resistance from senate republicans and annoyance and frustration, apparently, from the white house. an official tells cnn, quote, if they don't get this done now, i don't know when it will happen. but just a day after the revised version was released, two senate republicans are already saying they will vote against it. that leaves zero margin for error. i want to go to m.j. lee. she's on capitol hill giving us the whip count, staying on top of the latest from these seniors. if any more oppose them, m.j., this bill is not going to pass. are you hearing anything
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definitively from the republicans who previously opposed the initial version? >> reporter: well, the group of senators that mitch mcconnell should be and is most worried about is the senators who come from the states that expanded medicaid. these senators have made their concerns about this bill very, very clear, and as we saw yesterday, when this revised bill came out, mcconnell decided not to make changes to address the concerns that these members have raised. we are talking about senate republicans like dean heller, helly moore capito, rob portman and others, and we saw them going into meet with mitch mcconnell yesterday after the bill was revised, which is obviously a clear sign that he is trying to talk to them and trying to convince them to get on board and get behind this bill. now, when these members came out, a number of reporters were staking out this meeting and their message was essentially that they need to think about this more and they need to have more conversations. so clearly, at this point, this is a group of senators who are
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undecided on whether they can get behind this bill, and just a reminder, for our viewers on how steep the cuts are that we are talking about here, the congressional budget office projected last week that some 15 million people would lose their coverage under medicaid than compared to the current law so this is many millions of people that we are talking about and these senate republicans are very worried about what this means for their own constituents. >> meantime, the president just arrived back from his paris trip. before he left, he said, quote, he would be very angry if this bill doesn't pass. any more from the white house today? >> reporter: well, obviously, president trump is out of the country, but he did tweet earlier today to make his priorities clear, to remind senate republicans that this is very, very important for him, that they get health care done. he said, in part, after all of these years of suffering through obamacare, republican senators must come through as they have promised. he also says whenever that bill is ready, i will be at my desk,
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pen in hand. now, we also know my colleague down at the white house is reporting that president trump did make calls to a couple of these senate republicans while he was in paris. we are told that rand paul, the kentucky republican, is one of those senators that he called. of course, he has been very firmly opposed to this bill. it would be very surprising if he actually moved over to the yes column. we are also told that vice president mike pence called senator mike lee yesterday. he is someone who is undecided. so the lobbying will continue in the next couple of days as mitch mcconnell looks for those 50 yes votes. >> worth noting, lee and paul both on the conservative side there of this divided party. thank you very much, m.j. lee. let's talk more about the political implications. with us now, cnn political commentator republican strategist and former rnc spokesman doug hyde. can republicans effectively come up with a compromise within their own party that doesn't lose more than two people?
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>> in theory, yes. in practice, it is very difficult to do. one of the things that we've seen, not just this year, but in past years, is that the struggle that republicans have, i worked on this in 2012 to 2014, where we had trouble even putting language together to present to members. the these pendulum politics of where we put some provisions to make the right happy and thing swing back to the moderates and these pendulums going back and forth essentially turns into a sword of damacles. >> it seems mitch mcconnell has swung more to the right, he included the cruz amendment. does that surprise you. >> it doesn't surprise me. ted cruz has been very vocal on this issue but also note that the cruz amendment is really in brackets at the end of the bill. it's fluid language. we don't know how exactly that will play in if this bill goes to the house floor and that's also an important thing. we don't know if the bill's going to go to the floor yet. >> the that's why they couldn't
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even get to to begin with in the first. we heard from ohio governor john kasich today, came out strongly calling this current bill unacceptable. he also said that republicans could face the same fate as democrats dealing with obamacare if they don't come out with a health care reform plan that is bipartisan. he comes out with this statement. his senator, ohio senator rob portman, who's there, what is he to do after the governor of his state says this? >> it obviously makes things more difficult for him. it's also one of the reasons that we see opioid funding included in there, which is a really important issue in ohio. but this shows also that governors are very important to this process. we talk about dean heller who has been a holdout in the past. >> in nevada. >> brian sandoval, that republican governor has been very critical of previous senate moves on this so they'll have an outsized influence compared to how they usually do. >> will there be a vote. >> we just don't know. >> what's your take? i'm asking what do you think's going to happen. >>. >> for this to pass, it's not
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enough for the president to put it on mitch mcconnell. he needs to be working these phones constantly. the only dynamic that's different between last year when we couldn't pass anything and five years ago when we couldn't pass anything and today is a president donald trump. if we're going to get across the finish line, donald trump has to make it happen. >> all right, doug, thank you so much. more on our breaking news. even though donald trump jr. suggested he revealed everything there was to reveal, we are now learning more people attended that meeting with the russian lawyer and we'll talk about his credibility now. stand by. you do all this research
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count it. 29 seconds. that is how long president trump shook the hand of french president emmanuel macron. the two first families were saying farewell after trump's whirlwind 30-hour visit. just keep your eyes on this video. these handshakes are becoming
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more than just a diplomatic courtesy with these two leaders. they're still shaking hands. there they go. they're still doing it. he kisses the cheek of the french president's wife. they're still holding hands. he joins her hand. they're still going there. nick robertson, cnn's international diplomatic editor is joining us now. the action certainly speaking louder than words there, nick. >> reporter: really. look, this all began, we were talking before president trump arrived about that sort of bone-crunching handshake he had with president macron a few weeks ago. and here we are at the end of what appears to have been a successful visit for president macron, certainly, president trump as well. the optics looking good. this was the optic. and here we are again talking about the handshake. there were so many handshakes. there were pats on the back, holding each other's arms, and this handshake here at the end, you really did get the sense
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that they had had a good conversation, a good time, and it was sort of difficult getting to the end of the party and parting ways. so, i think from president macron's point of view, this was successful. for president trump, of course, many issues at home to deal with, but coming here, he has got a better sense of the french president and a better sense of their differences and their commonalities. so probably something out of this beneficial for president trump, certainly an ally it seems in europe that he will be able to pick up the phone and call more easily than he might have been able to do a few days ago. >> good to hear, nic robertson. thanks to you. learning more people attended donald trump jr.'s meeting with the russian lawyer. at least eight people now, we're learning. more in just a moment. plus a conservative icon says the trump team's response to the don junior meeting was, quote, pathetic. hear why he says this was collusion.
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we're back with the news that more people were in the room during that meeting between trump campaign officials and a russian lawyer last year. one of them was a russian-american lobbyist. so, what makes this previously undisclosed person so interesting? rinat akhmetshin has been accused of acting as an unregistered agent for russian interests. i want to bring in bill and nan. thank you both for being with us. let's listen to some new sound from donald trump jr. this was just three days ago. >> so as far as you know, as far as this incident's concerned, this is all of it. >> this is everything. this is everything. >> this was everything, nan. the statements about this meeting, though, keep on changing as new information is revealed. what's the statement going to be this time? >> well, i frankly don't think
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it would be any different. he said, look, he released the e-mails, he got this invite, yes, you know, natalia veselnitskaya obviously had some prior relationship with the obama administration let her remain n remain in the country to defend a client, so you know, there's -- there are people involved in that meeting who -- that revealed nothing of interest. >> you don't think he's inconsistent? >> not at all. did he list the people in the meeting? he said i took a meeting, i got an e-mail. he released the e-mails. >> he said the meeting was about adoption. he didn't mention the clinton campaign. >> the magnitsky act, which has been talked about, relates to russian-american adoption. it was nothing having to do with anything that even approaches illegality in any way. >> bill. >> you know the problem for
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people like my friend nan is that they go out and defend the trump operation and then the trump operation just lies to everybody, including them, and they're caught in the lies and having to defend them. which i feel sorry about. but let's face it here. this is drip, drip, drip, and the problem is that every drip gets them closer to the kremlin. let's just think about the things that donald trump has lied about. first of all, that there were no meetings whatsoever. wrp to we were told that for a year with the russians, then it comes out, michael flynn, jeff sessions, and then it turns out that, oh, there was a meeting, this one, june 9, in trump tower, but we talked about adoption, not about hillary clinton. well then it turns out they admitted, no, we did talk about hillary clinton. then he says, well, we didn't know ahead of time meeting was all about. then he releases the e-mails that says, this is part of a russian government effort to help the trump campaign, and then he says we just heard it. that's all we know. and then now, one more thing,
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this is russian former intelligence. all i'm saying is that really raises red flags about how close the kremlin coordinated this meeting. >> just a minute, nan, before you respond to that because we don't another statement yet from the white house nor donald trump jr., i do want to play more of what donald trump jr. has said happened in this meeting. let's listen to what he told sean hannity. >> okay. let me ask a hypothetical and i know hypotheticals, maybe you've thought about it since and since this has now become russia collusion, russia collusion, and et cetera, did you ever meet with any other person from russia that you know. >> i don't even know. i've probably met with other people from russia, certainly not in the context of a formalized meeting or anything like that because why would i? you know, in the grand scheme of things, how busy we were, it was much more important to doing this. this was a courtesy to an acquaintance. >> so nan, at the time of this interview, we knew donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul
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manafort, and natalia veselnitskaya were part of this meeting. should he, in that moment, have said there were other people in that meeting. >> well, akhmetshin is an american. >> russian-american, former russian intelligence officer. >> he's an american. he has said he has nothing to do with russian intelligence. the agalarov family are friends of the trumps. they're the ones who helped set thup meeting. so i don't think any of this -- >> why not be transparent? why not be more forthcoming? why the changing story as journalists learn the new information and have it there, then they come out and respond with more information. >> because the content of the meeting has already been discussed. the nature of what was offered in the meeting has already been revealed, released by donald trump jr. himself. there's -- there's nothing illegal there. politics is a rough business. the clinton campaign was working hard to connect to the ukrainian government and poroshenko was
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supposed to sit down. >> let me get bill in here. >> first of all, we don't know that there was anything legal or illegal about this. i would not jump to any conclusion. but let's not lose sight of the big picture here, all these little details. the russian government, a foreign adversary of the united states, tells this candidate's son, we want to give you some dirt on your opponent in order to influence the outcome of this election to help your father win. >> that was according to rob goldsto goldstone, the publicist. >> that's not illegal, bill. >> and donald trump jr. says, i love it. opposition research is not illegal. you have been a candidate, i've been a candidate. >> yes. >> but we don't get our opposition research from foreign enemies, from foreign adversaries. when that happens, ding, ding, ding, you call the fbi. >> and we have heard that message from both republicans as well as democrats, as well as intelligence officials, investigators, but nan, let me ask it to you this way.
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can the president continue to call this a witch hunt? >> it certainly feels like a witch hunt. and the media, there's such a disproportionate. >> come on, nan. this is black and white. it's lack of transparency. >> why is it a witch hunt? >> e-mails revealed by donald trump jr. >> they don't deserve -- in this sense. a disproportionate amount of coverage in the media has been devoted to this, which i continue to say is a nothing pickle and a nothing burger in terms of any legal implications. bill, with all due respect, and i do mean that, but we have such important issues that actually the public should be aware of what's going on. what provisions are going to be in the senate health care bill versus what's not going to be. what's going to be in tax reform versus what's not going to be. the president just signed a va accountability bill that his predecessor, and bill, i'm sure you support your veterans. >> i'm sorry, i'm sorry. >> refused to endeavor. >> i know you want to change the subject. i know you want to blame hillary clinton. no, no, no, this is not a nothing burger. when the son of a candidate says, i want this dirt from a
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foreign enemy of the united states, that is huge. and here's what -- >> finish your thought, bill, and then we got to go. >> this is what it means. this is why it's not a witch hunt. first of all, it's his department of justice that's conducting the investigation. it's the senate themselves. the house intelligence committee, which are controlled by republicans that are conducting the investigation. and what this means, this latest thing is, this is not going to go away. donald trump jr. is going to have to testify in front of robert mueller under oath, in front of the house committee and the senate committee. >> and he's already volume teerd to do it, though. >> i don't care how many times -- >> you need to talk about the previous administration. >> i don't care how many times donald trump calls it a witch hunt. >> preernt you guys coming on. now the president is spending another week on twitter. interviews talking about hillary clinton. i'll speak with david axelrod about why donald trump seems to be fixated on his former opponent. super-cool notebooks, done.
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usually about his support of the administration has previously come on to defend the trump administration in places like fox news. he now has some scathing words for the latest developments in the russia scandal. in an opinion piece in the "washington post," krauthammer writes, you don't need a lawyer to see the trump defense collusion as a desperate democratic fiction designed to explain away a lost election is now officially dead and he repeated this harsh criticism. >> and this just showed up today in black and white, released by don junior himself. this is not released in the, you know, the anti-trump media. so, you see it in black and white. this is not to say that collusion is a crime. it never was. but it is to say that the denial of collusion is very weak right now, because it looks as if -- i don't know if there's any other
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explanation. >> well -- >> don junior was receptive. >> okay. but that's different. >> to receiving this information. >> joining me to discuss this and more is cnn senior political commentator david axelrod who is also a former obamacare adviser and host of "the axe files." david, a reaction. >> first of all, he's absolutely right. the issue isn't what happened in that meeting, it's what happened that led up to that meeting. basically, there was a proffer from people who don junior knew that suggested that there was information generated by the russian government that could be helpful in defeating hillary clinton, and he took that meeting. we're learning more about that meeting by the hour. but just the act of accepting the meeting sent a signal to the russian government that they were open for business, that, yes, the trump campaign wanted information from them, and that's really disturbing. and i admire charles krauthammer for being so forthright about
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this. he has been a defender of the administration. but he obviously felt misled as i think many other people did. >> what do you make of the ever-changing developments and now we're learning about more people in that meeting at trump tower where the trump team was promised damaging information on hillary clinton. >> yeah, well, you know, the meeting was depict bed by the president yesterday from paris as a rather benign affair, but now we know there were other participants in the meeting, including a gentleman who had some roots in counterintelligence, russian counterintelligence, who was actively working, as was the lawyer who originally set up the meeting whom we originally knew about on the issue of sanctions. this wasn't about adoption. adoption is a side issue here. there was an interest in removing sanctions on the soviet -- on russia as a result
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of human rights violations. and so -- >> and that was related to a russian adoption ban, just to clarify for our viewers. it was part of the magnitsky act. their story is that the sanctions -- >> the russians were -- the russians reacted to the sanctions by blocking american adoptions of russian children. so, there is a relationship, but that's really a cover. >> right. >> and so -- >> but not the relationship to the sanctions imposed by the obama administration. i just want to clarify for viewers. it wasn't the sanctions imposed after the election because of election meddling. >> and i think it's important to let the process work. mr. mueller is moving on with his investigation. bipartisan committee efforts are going forward in the house and senate. we tend to chew these things over and try and analyze them in the moment, but these investigations are going to go much deeper and probably already
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know much more than we know right now. >> now, yesterday, you talked about the president's statement, how he defended his son. he also blamed loretta lynch and president obama for letting this russian attorney who met with his campaign staff into the country. he has also blamed hillary clinton for colluding with ukraine. what do you think this fixation is . >> well, first of all, obviously, loretta lynch didn't have authority over this lawyer's presence in the country. that was a state department matter. but the trump fascination, obsession with hillary clinton is something we've never seen before. can you imagine barack obama six months into his administration going on and on about john mccain or mitt romney or george w. bush talking about al gore six months into his administration? but, you know, donald trump is all about one thing, winning and losing. that's how he defines everything in life.
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what's clearly bothering him is the suggestion that somehow his victory was illegitimate, that so you because of the russian involvement that he really wasn't a legitimate winner of the election and, therefore, not a legitimate president, that he didn't actually win. and that seems to be really bothering him, and it provokes this constant return to hillary clinton. i have great respect for hillary clinton, but i don't know anybody who talks about hillary clinton more than donald trump. >> i want to ask you about your special tonight, "the axe files." talk to activist john lewis. you have a powerful relationship with him. he relives a violent experience that he lived firsthand. let's all watch. >> through those earphones is a depiction of the scene that you faced when you sat there. i want to ask you to sit down, put those headphones on and let's talk when you're done. >> okay. >> if you don't get it, boy, i'm
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going to kill you right in front of everybody! i'm going to take this fork and jam it right into your neck. if you don't leave now! get out. kick him again! get out. >> how painful is it to hear those scenes? >> so real. it is real.
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that's exactly what happened. >> wow, david, what an emotional moment. >> and i have to tell you, i was sitting with john lewis and reliving not just those events because he was a 20-year-old man who was leading sit-ins at lunch counters so he was masterful when that happened. but he also led so many other efforts when he march sbed intoe fires, risked his life to be at a lunch counter, to desegregate transportation facilities, for the life to vote. when you consider how he and so many others sacrificed so much, it really puts today's debates in perspective. he is truly a heroic person, and i hope everybody gets the chance to take a look at this. it will give you a broader perspective on the debates of today. >> we can all use a broader perspective, no doubt. thank you very much, david
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axelrod. we look forward to your special, "the axe files" on cnn at 10:00 p.m. tonight. [music playing] across the country, we walk. carrying flowers that signify why we want to end alzheimer's disease. but what if, one day, there was a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor? what if there were millions of them? join us for the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's. register today at alz.org/walk.
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