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this is "gps." welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm coming to you live in new york. an exclusive interview with the minister of iran, javad zarif where the state of his country and the re-election of iran's president. will the country's hard line soften further? also, the man behind the russia story that is rocking the news. what russia wanted from donald trump junior was to end the
so-called magnisky sanctions. what are those and why does putin care about them? bill broader lawn unched a worldwide campaign to slap those sanctions on russia. he will make sense of it all. from president trump to president washington. >> our two nations are joined together by the spirit of revolution. >> america's special connection to bastille. here's my take. the latest revolutions about russia and donald trump's campaign are useful because they might help unravel the puzzle that's been at the center of the story, which is, why has donald trump had such a benign and favorable attitude towards russia and vladmir putin. it's such an unusual position for trump that it begs for some kind of explanation. unlike on domestic policy where trump has wandered all over the
political map. on foreign policy he's had clear and consistent views for three decades. in 1987 in his first major statement on public policy he took out an ad in several newspapers that began. for decades japan and other nation vs been tas have been ta advantage of the united states. this is trump's world view. he has never waivered from it. he's added countries to the roster of rogues most recently china and mexico. he wrote in his presidential campaign book, there's people who wish i wouldn't refer to china as our enemy but that's what they are. someone skeptical and hostile to other nations and their leaders who believes in a fortress
america that minds its own business and if deserved bombs adversaries and retreats wback o homeland. this is trump's attitude toward the whole world except russia. trump began praising the country and its leader ten years ago. >> look at putin. what's going on over there. he's doing great job in rebuilding the image of russia and also rebuilding russia period. >> trump so admired putin he imagined the two of them had met making some vasriation of that false claim five times in public and down playing any criticism of putin. you're saying he killed people. i haven't said that he seen in 2015. have you been able to prove that. when confronted on it this year he dismissed it saying. >> we got a lot of killers.
you think our kcountry is so innocent. >> he said at a news conference. >> there's nothing i can think of that i would rather do that have russia friendly as opposed to the way they are right now. >> his initial actions all seem to follow up on this idea. he appointed as a top foreign policy advisor, michael flynn, he announced pro-russian leanings and paid by the russian government. manafort received millions of dollars from the pro-russia party in ukraine. once elected he chose rex tillerson, a man who had been awarded one of russia's highest honors for foreigners and had a close relationship with putin. there are repeated contacts between members of the trump campaign and families with key
russian officials and nationals which appeals to be unique to russia. it's possible there are benign explanations for all of this. perhaps donald trump just admires putin as a leader. perhaps he is born into his senior advisor world view in which russia is not a foe but a cultural friend. perhaps there is some other explanation for this decade long fawning over russia and its leader. this is the puzzle now at the heart of the trump presidency that bob mueller will undoubtedly solve. for more go to cnn/fareed.com and read my washington column this week, and let's get started. friday was the two-year anniversary of the iran nuclear
deal, july 14th, 2015 is when iran came to terms withchina, f germany and the uk on limiting its program. it was day many thought would never be reached. some nay sayers say it never would have been reached and iran is not in compliance. president trump is expected to certify that iran has done just that. remember, this is the deal he threatened to rip up calling it the worst deal ever. he said dismantling it was the number one priority. joining me is javad zarif. pleasure to have you on. >> good to be you. >> four senators including marco rubio and ted cruz wrote a letter in which they said iran is not in compliance with the deal and they argue you're still akw acquiring nuclear materials
you're denying the inspection body access to the facility and operating more centrifuges than allowed. what is your response? >> when we negotiated the deal we decided to make it the only accepted body to monitor the implementation of the nuclear side of the deal. they have verified seven times now that iran has implemented the deal faithfully, fully and completely. unfortunately, we cannot make the same statement about the united states. the united states has failed to implement its part of the bargain. >> specifically, what? >> for instance, when the white house made the announcement a couple of days ago that president trump used his presence in hamburg during the g-20 meeting in order to
dissuade leaders from other countries to engage in business with iran. that's not a violation of not the spirit but the letter of the nuclear deal. i believe the united states needs to bring itself into come plien -- compliancecomplying. >> what about the german intelligence reports that say there's still nuclear bas acquisition taking place? >> iran has comecomelied. the deal was not prevent iran from its nuclear program. the deal is clear.pelied. the deal was not prevent iran from its nuclear program. the deal is clear.lied. the deal was not prevent iran from its nuclear program. the deal is clear. i believe it was the realization that a knowledge that was had been acquired by iran domestically and through the work of our scientists could not
be taken away from iran and the best way was to have it hon t monitored. >> a lot of people wonder about this period and say this is just a pause. once that period is over iran will begin a nuclear weapons deal. >> iran has made it clear it does not have a weapons program. the iaea verified the possibilities of military intervention was unfounded. iran has a very clear track record. iran was a victim of chemical weapons. iran has had the capability but decided not to go in the direction of producing weapons of mass destruction. we believe not only are they against our ideology but they do
not augment our security. we believe that nuclear weapons would be a threat to our security and asking for our security. >> twith regard to the war in yemen wu also more general ly hs be too friendly to iran. what is your reaction? >> it's a misplaced and misguided policy. we know where the terrorists are coming from. we know those who attacked the world trade center where citizens of countries in the region. i can tell you none of them came from iran. none of the people who engaged in acts of terrorism since 2001 came from iran.
most of them came from u.s. allies. it's bringing sump a dark page of people who have nothing to do with this into our region. none of them have anything to do with iran. all of them receive not only the ideology, weapons, arms from others who call themselves u.s. allies. >> we're going to have to talk a lot more with javad. we'll talk more about trump's middle east policy. the wars in syria, yemen. ask him about iraq, all of that when we come back. this is what it's all about, jamie --
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foreign minister. there's so many hot spots in the middle east. i don't know which one to start with but let's talk about syria. iran is syria's closest ally. you have sent malitias in. there's a large part of syria that will not accept an assad government. there's still huge parts of the country he does not control. on the other hand they do not have the strength to topple that government. what's the solution that allows very large groups that semem opposed to the assad government and the reality the assad government does control 12 million people. >> let me say our policy with regard to syria as well as iraq and afghanistan and elsewhere in the region have been consistent. we oppose terrorism. we oppose extremism and come to the support of aid and government who continue to
support terrorism. we did that in afghanistan in the early part of the century. we came to the support of the iraqis in order to prevent an isis take over. we're doing the same in syria. >> you do not regard any of those forces fighting the assad government as legitimate opposition forces? >> there may be legitimate forces in syria. that's why in 2013 a few weeks after i assumed office, i presented a four-point plan which later became the basis for resolution 2254 of the security council. those four points are in order to be realistic and in order to move forward rather than get bogged down in an unnecessary debate that will only prolong the conflict and prolong the
killing and the pushing people into homelessness, we need to get real and get to the bottom of it. first, a cease-fire. i believe we need a cease-fire. we all need to engage in efforts to bring about a comprehensive cease-fire except against those groups that are considered as terrorist organizations that would include isis. second part of our plan and with cease-fire comes humanitarian resistance. the situation is di astsasterou syria. the second part was a national unity government. a government that would include the current government as well as those opposition people who are concerned about the future of syria and want to participate in a better future for syria.
the third part of our plan was constitutional before. so the per powers of the govern will not be concentrated in one office, in one institution. people would feel they have part of the state in the future of syria. that would bring everybody in a non-zero situation because you will not be able to resolve zero sum games. they end up producing negative outcome. >> and then elections. >> and then elections. >> will it switch hands if this happens? >> people should stop putting conditions for the syrians. the syrians need to believe that.
people who are running the government will not be re-elected. if the constitutional reform removes all the power from one office, you may not be concerned about who is the president because you will have other offices. >> i've got to ask you so many other. yemen. there's reports that iran is escalatie ining its response. >> on yemen before the war before the senseless bombing, everybody was hoping to be finished within two weeks. we propose an end to the conflict.
we believe the only way in all these conflicts, we only need to accept in reality one sentence. there is no military solution. >> obviously, some of your allies in the region, some u.s. allies in the region want to win militarily until the last american soldier. that's problem. >> until the last american soldier. you understand television, you have 30 senconds. the iran key foreign minister says iran dominates iraq. people say the united states fought the war but the iran has been the greatest beneficiary. >> i sure the person who wrote that new york times article picked up a sentence from my friend's statement. iran has been on the side of the iraqi people from the very beginning. that is why we have come to the aid of the kurds.
iran was the first country. he asked many to come to the assistance and the country that came to the assistance immediately was iran had it not been for our assistance and not for the very brave struggle of the kurdish people, it would have been falling to isis. had it not been for the brave struggle of the iraqis. we came to the assistance. we chose the right side. our neighbors chose the wrong side. they make all the wrong choices. they supported isis. they supported extremist in
iraq. came to the assistance of the people and now is accepted by the people of iraq and they can continue to quote, misquote politicians in order to create misunderstandings but i think that article you're referring to in the new york times does not stand any factors. i don't know how it got to be printed. >> it was flattering toward iran. always a pleasure to have you on. thank you for doing it. come back. next, we love being interconnected. there's a huge downside. we'll till you about it when we come back.
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that's a 2012 american law that punishes russians who are seen to be human rights abusers. i freezes their assets and bans them from entering the united states. astonia and the uk have made their own law and other countries are considering similar ones. the laws are named after a russian tax lawyer who uncovered the biggest tax fraud in russian history, $230 million worth. he was arrested and later died in prison after being tortured according to russia's own presidential human rights commission. the russian government said heart failure killed him and there was no violence. he found the fraud while working for my next guest william browder. he was once the biggest foreign investor in russia but he was expelled from russia. he has much light to shed on trump junior's meeting and the players in on it. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> it seems as though this
approach and this meeting was all about repealing or undermining the act. what i want you to explain is we thought the reason the russian government liked donald trump more than hillary clinton was they thought trump would be better for russia, softer in some ways, more cooperative but now we see a specific ask which is they wanted the end to the magnisky act. that specifically targets individuals and not the russian committ economy. >> we figured out there's probably 10,000 people in russia that commit very grave human rights abuses and crimes for money. they take that money and keep it in american banks and british banks and swiss wabanks. they sent their kids to boarding
schools and girlfriends to milan on shopping trips. the one thing we figured is not to let them keep their money in the west. we had no idea that it was like an missile going right into the heart of what they cared about which was their money abroad. putin went crazy when the act was passed. what he did was he then immediately and vindictively retaliated by banning the adoption of russian children by american families. when they mentioned this was about adoption in that meeting, it had nothing to do with adoption. there were two agents of the russian government who went to donald trump junior and said can you help us withdraw this act if your father gets elected president. >> why does putin care so much, in your view, about this act? >> putin cares for two reasons. first and most importantly,
putin received some of the money from the $230 million crime. we know that. >> how? >> we learn frd ted from the pa papers that a man received $2 billion of largess from the russian government. we learned the names of his companies. we were able to trace some of the money from the crime and the crime that was uncovered going to sergei. putin's nominee or trustee received money from the crime. putin understands at some point in time he will be targeted by the sanctions. as i've said putin is the richest man in the world. i would estimate he's worth $200 billion. much of that is held by nominees offshore. that money will be frozen under the magnitsky act if he loses his power as president of
russia. >> it would send a signal to all or those 10,000 people? >> that's the second reason. in order for putin to do the dirty stuff he does, he's got to have his regime do a lot of terrible crimes. in the past he's been able to guarantee everybody impunity. he's saying doing the crimes, we're not worrying about mor morali morality. >> you can take your money and put it in the west. >> now all of a sudden, the west, and it's not just america. it's britain it's astonia, soon to be canada will freeze that money. he can't guarantee impunity for the people that work for him and the whole system gets bogged down. this is his single largest priority to get rid of his sanctions. >> they have been trying in various ways to get this, this act repealed both officially and
unofficially. >> they've been trying in every possible way to get rid of the act. they sent in this woman, she's been leading the campaign in the united states to get rid of the act. it's a hugely resourced effort. they have hired millions of dollars. >> what about the other guy? >> renat, he's her chief washington operative. he's the one who has identified all the lobbyists, all the lawyers, all the investigators et cetera and they had a full court press all over capitol hill. >> you're sure they are agents of russian government? >> natalia works for a man in moscow, a government oligarich. he was the deputy governor of the moscow region. he's a vice president of russian railways which is the second largest and most important company after gas.
he's sort of full time sinte intergral. >> and a billionaire. >> his family is. he's a russian official. he's paying the bills for natalia. >> we're going to come back and talk about much more. next on gps when bill browder comes back. we'll taulk about how he battle putin and what the u.s. should do next in this complicated mess.
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influence american elections, laws, institutions for a while now. >> the russians are taking advantage of the system and it's true. what's remarkable is how many enablers that are happy to take that money in from the russians or whoever. this is a big problem which there is supposed po be rules in place that somebody called the foreign agent registration act that demands that everybody disclosed if they are working for a foreign government. it's a prime example that they are trying to influence, get people to repeal the magnitsky act. i'm talking about american lobbyists showing up in the halls of congress working on behalf of the russian government
and not saying that they were foreign agents. i file a complaint with the department of justice to go after this. there are hearings on wednesday in washington at the senate judiciary committee in which i'm testifying about how the rules don't work. >> let me ask you, the way paulmpaul m manafort was seen as a pro-russian party in ukraine hired him for millions upon millions of dollars and that seems one of these indirect paths by which russia influences. >> the money is never being sent from kgb central bank account to these guys. the way it works is that russia enriches a group of people around putin and they are told make a payment to this american. make a payment to that person. there's a guy named dennis who is paying for all this stuff in
the united states. the russians never pay from kgb central. >> how do we stop this? >> we have to wake up that russia is a country that's hostile. they are trying to destabilize europe, the world. they are not our friends. we are in a different kind of cord war, but putin is out to get us. if we don't recognize that and start to allow them to roll over us to do fake news, go into congress, to do -- hire different people inside the corridors of power, they'll get away with it, unless we stop them. >> what -- do you think that this personal targeting of russian officials and their money is the most successful way to get at them? >> well, it is -- it is objectively and subjectively. the fact putin has had such a
personal emotional reaction and has lashed out means -- if you've ever played the game battleship, we have a direct hit. this is it. we found his achilles' heel. >> you said they are going after america. they also seem to be going after you. i was struck a couple years ago, a few years ago. the president of russia at the time, the russian prime minister at the time, medvedev made a remarkable statement for head of government saying it is a same magnitsky died and bill browder is running alive and free. did you take that as threat? >> i took that as a threat and i take the many other threats that come at me from other different parts of the russian apparatus as threats. they want to kill me, stop me from doing what i'm doing. i'm doing this because my lawyer sergei magnitsky was murdered by them and owe it to the people.
i won't back down, but they want to kill me if they can. >> do you take precautions? do you have security? >> i don't announce the precautions i take on "fareed zakaria gps," but i will say i've written a book called "red notice." i describe all the stuff. if you read me book and anything that ever happens to me, you'll know exactly who did it. >> stay safe. bill browder, pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. next on g"gps" what is country that sent most refugees to the united states this year? you might be surprised. we'll let you know when we come back. noo
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