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a new poll out today shows president trump's approval rating takes a noticeable hit. >> the trump campaign, we learned this week paid $50,000 to donald trump jr.'s lawyer. is that an acknowledgement that the meeting with the russian lawyer was official campaign business? >> i'm not involved with the discussions on the lawyers on who paid what entity, and i don't represent donald trump jr. >> also, calls to hear testimony from everyone at that 2016 meeting with russians. >> we need to get to the bottom of this. the only way we're going to do it is to talk not just to donald trump jr. who has offered to cooperate. but to everyone who is at that meeting. >> i'm trying to give all these people the benefit of the doubt, but it is very bothersome to me, that jared kushner has forgotten three times to put down this
information. >> and health care stalled. the vote delayed so senator john mccain can recover from an unexpected surgery. cnn newsroom starts now. >> hello again, everyone. and welcome on this sunday. thanks so much for being with me. a brand new poll out today shows the trump administration is struggling with voters. the president's job approval rating is at just 36% according to a new abc news washington post poll. that's the lowest six month rating of any u.s. president in 70 years, the president responding today from his private golf club in bedminster, new jersey. the poll numbers aren't that bad, and questioning their reliability. he tweeted a fresh defense of his son's meeting during the 2016 campaign, hillary clinton can illegally get the questions to the debate and delete 33,000 e-mails, but my son is being scorned by the fake news media.
>> the president's attorney made the rounds on all of the networks today, suggesting nothing illegal happened. >> the president was not engaged in this, was not aware of it as far as other meetings go, the president hatds said he was not aware of it, wasn't involved in it, and there's been no indication otherwise. >> the special counsel that was based on evidence that was illegally leaked. that to me raises questions about the whole spectrum what's going on here. >> when the president says witch hunt he's talking about robert mueller's special council investigation. that is part of this so called witch hunt? >> when he calls it a witch hunt, talks about the scope and nature of the investigation, he's concerned about the nature of what's going on here. >> boris sanchez is in new jersey where the president continues to spend this weekend. the president might think this is a witch hunt but lawmakers say it's likely far from over.
why? >>. >> first and foremost, you have at least three different investigations into alleged collusion between the trump campaign and russians going back to about this time last year. it's going to take a long time not only to gather all the documents necessary to go through with these investigations, but to get people to testify. as you heard earlier, there are new calls for everyone that was in that meeting with donald trump jr. in trump tower last june, to stand before intelligence committees and give their versions of events under oath. you had lawmakers on both sides just this morning on state of the union. republican senator susan collins and mark warner saying they would like to hear donald trump jr. go under oath and give his version of the events. here's more of what they said. >> i would like to hear from all of these individuals whether we'll be able to gets the russian nationals to come over and testify is an open question,
with those people that the committee has jurisdiction over, the americans, i want too talk to all of them. >> we should also ask for all documents, not just the e-mails that have been released, but all the documents that are related to any context, the bad president trump's campaign had with the russian government or its emissaryies. >> reporter: now, specifically about that meeting with donald trump jr. and russian lobbyists, some of the new polling out there from abc and the washington post is really revealing, because we heard the president and his surrogates say anyone would take a meeting in the heat of the campaign to try to get opposition research on their opponent. it doesn't seem like the american people agree with that. some 63% say the meetings between donald trump jr. and those russians in trump tower was inappropriate, only 23% say that meeting was appropriate.
keep in mind the president is finishing out the weekend here in new jersey before heading babb to washington, d.c., taking part in several events to try to highlight made in america week, which is set to bring attention to not only products made here in the united states, also companies that invest in the american worker. likely this week will be overshadowed by more details to come in this russian investigation. >> thank you so much for that. >> the trump administration has repeatedly said that the donald trump jr. meeting was legal and a part of opposition research. when one of the president's lawyers appeared on cnn's state of the union, jake tapper asked about the ethical question surrounding the meeting. here's part of that interview. >> the legality was the meeting, and what took place, legal or not, we, of course, almost every legal expert says it's not illegal. you're trying to put a moral, ethical aspect to it, it's easy to do that in 20/20 hindsight.
not when you're in the middle of a campaign. i wasn't a campaign lawyer, i'm not a campaign lawyer. meetings were taking place as donald trump jr. said, 15, 20 minutes apart, this one went even shorter. everyone that's looking backwards and saying, would have, should have, could have. donald trump jr. said he would have done some things differently. to go back a year later and say, this is what should have happened. when the meeting itself was 20 minutes. i don't think that's fair to donald trump jr. to jared kushner or manafort for that matter. no one was in a situation of that kind of campaigning in the middle of a presidential election. >> donald trump jr. was asked this week if he met with anyone else from russia, this is his answer. >> not in the context of a formalized meeting or anything like that, because -- why would i? >> junior saying, i probably met with other people from russia,
what other meetings or communications with russians have not been disclosed yet? >> i represent the president of the united states. but donald trump jr. said not in the context of formal meetings, he may have met with russian people. a lot of people meet with russian people. that's not unusual. >> he also said. back in march, he said there were no meetings at all in the auspices of the campaign, now we know that's not true. >> yeah, i thought about that, because you and i talked about that the other day on your weekday broadcast. again, i go back to and look at, in the context of a meeting, and the meetings in the series of meetings that were taking place during the campaigns. there were dozens of meetings every day. this meeting lasted 15 minutes? >> it was short, nothing was produced. it never went any further. so it wasn't ever discussed again. let me say one thing that's important here. the president, and this has been -- did not attend the
meeting. with regard to donald trump jr. said he met with other russian people, not in the context of a formal meeting. >> the trump campaign paid $50,000 to donald trump's lawyer. they paid this a day after one of the cnn reporters called to say what can you tell us about this meeting? is that an acknowledgement that the meeting with the russian lawyer, he thought was with the russian government was official campaign business? the fact that the trump campaign paid 50 grand to trump jr.'s attorney? >> i'm not involved in the discussions with the lawyers on who paid what entity, and i don't represent donald trump jr. in a situation like this if this is not an unusual situation where the individual that's being questioned or subject to questioni questioning, retains council. involved in an incident that -- when he was working, doing work for the campaign. that to me is not an unusual
scenario or unusual setup at all. >> joining me now to discuss all of this, richard painter during president george w. bush's administrati administration. good to see both of you. >> good afternoon. >> richard, how are nepotism laws being challenged here with all of this. >> we certainly have had nepotism with the appointment of jared kushner and ivanka. i think unfortunately, the president's family's closeness to this situation has clouded his judgment in dealing with it. this is clearly collaboration with the russians. that's set forth in the e-mail to donald trump jr. and then jared kushner was brought into this. they attended the meeting. i don't think they can get around this meeting being
collaboration. that's what's documented in the e-mails and that's why the campaign is reimbursing donald trump jr.'s legal costs. but it's very unfortunately to have the president's family tied up into this, and he's tweeting this morning, irrationally once again which isn't making it any better. this administration has to stop lying about the contact with the russians. they need to get the facts on the table, tell the american people what's going on. tell congress what's going on. let this investigation take its course, so we can get about the business of this country. but this drip, drip, drip, a new revelation every week or two is destroying this administration and the credibility of congress, when congress seems to be incapable of doing anything
about it it. >> mike, what does it say in your view, when you have the attorney for the president going on all the talk shows today, and then very clearly separating himself, representation of donald trump jr. to unrepresenting the president of the united states? >> he's a lawyer, he can only talk about his client, and i think donald trump jr. has an attorney, and the campaign has to hire attorneys, everyone involved in this, at some point if you think you're going to be questioned or think someone's going to ask you for documents, you have to get legal counsel. once you heard that there's going to be a special council, people have to go out and hire attorneys to prepare themselves and make sure they're complying with things that are being asked of them, both from the special counsel and congressional committees, the important thing to remind everyone is, just because someone is paying a lawyer, doesn't mean they're
guilty of anything, it doesn't mean anything's been proven. these investigations have been going on for months and months now. we haven't found any evidence of anyone doing anything illegal. and we have multiple people in jared kushner, donald trump, jr. saying, i will testify in congress and tell you everything i know. and so i think we need to make sure as we're talking about this, we're not jumping to conclusions, and say this is clear evidence of anything, when we don't know what the investigations are showing, and people are willing to testify, we need to make sure that we understand just because you're hiring a lawyer and paying a lawyer, doesn't mean you've done anything wrong. >> it's concerning for a number of members of congress, this is the senate intelligence committee mark warner talking to jake tapper. >> there seems to be a convenient pattern where all of the senior officials in the trump campaign forget about their meetings with russians, don't put it on their forms until evidence comes out, and then they have to amend.
it's a little unbelievable that neither the son nor the son in law ever shared that information with their dad, the candidate. i'm not sure why we take anyone in this senior level of the trump administration at their word, that's why it's so important we're going to get a chance to question these individuals and try to nail down the truth. >> these may be separate people. jared kushner, i mean, it all boils down to one consortium of a mess. so it's a real challenge for any lawyer representing any number of these players here. >> we do know that something is happening here. >> we have general flynn lying
about contact to the russians. we had the attorney general of the united states if testimony on his confirmation hearing. then we had jared kushner on security clearance parts. these are not the types of things you forget about. russia's been in the news since this election. and now we have donald trump jr. with two or three different stories about his own contacts with the russians. the administration has repeatedly lied about collusion with the russians. this is collusion. the lies have to stop. the lying is illegal. in and of itself, i don't want to hear people say nothing illegal has happened. it clearly has. and it's got to stop. >> if it is a so called witch hunt, why are there so many secrets and mysteries? >> how can someone forget something. he needs to ask his colleague claire mccaskill who never met with the russian ambassador.
and later was discovered she did meet with the russian ambassador. nancy pelosi in the house did the same thing. has she met with lab rov? yes, she has met with him? these things can be misremembered, i think they're playing a price for it for not remembering what they did, it's all coming out. i don't think they would chose to handle it this way. >> a lot of forgots. we're talking about not just about one instance, but reportedly as we see things rides to the surface, it's one after another. and isn't that strange? i think it's all being covered and that's why they're going to testify, they'll get to the truth. just because someone doesn't remember something doesn't mean they're not guilty of something. we have to stop jumping to these conclusions and realize this is a push back from them, they see the incessant cover of this, they're sort of, sometimes too swift to say, this isn't true,
when they should take a beat. let's ga boch to june of last year. this was not a sophisticated operation at this time. they weren't vetting people properly, they weren't keeping notes of the meetings they were in. this was an outsider campaign. this is why they won the primary and the white house. it was a campaign driven by donald trump. >> if the latter part -- he's in charge of the whole thing. a lot more questions about, how much did he know about this meeting, when he said he didn't know anything about it. the representation he learned about it a few days ago, we will soon, you'll soon find out a bit more about all of these unanswered questions. thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up, u.s. senate
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a critical week for the future of a new health care bill, the revised gop plan is running into a series of unexpected delays. mitch mcconnell has pushed back a vote scheduled for this week, so that john mccain will have a chance to recover from eye surgery. the delay will give mcconnell extra time to find the needed votes to pass it, perhaps. cnn has learned the congressional budget office will not release a much anticipated score on the bill tomorrow. it's unclear when that cbo score will be released, the gop's plan to repeal and replace obama care could be in trouble. on this morning's talk shows, two republican senators spoke about their opposition to the current bill. >> we should not be making fundamental changes in a vital
safety net program that's been on the books for 50 years. the medicaid program, without having a single hearing to evaluate what the consequences are going to be. that doesn't mean that there aren't problems with the medicaid program that need to be addressed, it doesn't mean that the aca doesn't have serious flaws. it does. that's why we need to go through the normal committee process and get input from people on both sides of the aisle. that's what would produce the kind of legislation that we need. >> we promise the voters for four elections, they elected us to repeal obama care, we're going to keep most of the taxes, keep the reges and the sub ci cities and create a giant bailout super fund for the insurance companies. i just don't see it. >> let's discuss this with our pan panel. good to see both of you.
gentlemen? >> we begin with you, susan collins also said today, 8 to 10 republican senators have serious concerns with this bill. if the gop loses one more senator, the bill is dead. could this bill be saved? >> it could be saved i guess. they're all a little nervous, no one wants to be the only one to kill it, mitch mcconnell will come down on them with swift brutality, i think they all understand, this thing is a turkey. there doesn't seem to be anybody who defends it. i know people want to trash talk obama some more. nobody really thinks this makes things better for the american people. i think it's inevitable it's going to fail. the cbo score, has also been delayed, how does this help or hurt the process. >> we knew this was going to be a tight vote from the beginning, you knew that basically every
democrat in the senate was going to be against it, you look at the republican margin. it's a very slim margin, the idea this was going to be a cake walk was never a reality. and for people to imply that this is anything different than what it actually is. it's a tight vote, and it always was going to be a tight vote. 11% of americans said they want to keep obama care and the latest usa today poll. 40% of americans wanted to replace it with significant changes to obama care. there has to be a change. the american people, republicans and democrats are realizing that obama care's imploding, you look at -- just last week. two other states said they basically have no plans, they're going to be able to offer, and most of their major cities, most cities are already down to one single plan if they can even find one provider next year.
if you don't do it now, it's going to be a disaster by the fall. i think you're going to get the votes there, i understand why they delayed it, my thoughts are with john mccain as he recovers from eye surgery. you have to vote this tight. it makes good sense to delay until senator mccain comes back. >> we're all wishing senator mccain well. >> gallop poll is saying, roughly six in 10 democrats and a third of democrats strongly prefer obama care. >> i mean, in the 6-10 number is the one that stand out to me, 40% of democrats are saying they don't want obama care. that's a massive number. >> the majority say they do like it. >> hold on. >> obama care -- >> the majority do like it. >> is what got obama elected you could argue, it was the signature plan that obama campaigned on. and now 40% --
>> okay -- >> the majority of republicans. >> come back from the -- >> the majority of republics don't like the gop plan. the bottom line is, there is a consensus that there need to be repairs done. we're still in this juncture right now where there's very little agreement. republicans are having a hard time getting everyone to support the plan right now, in fact, it was the subject of the white house, and its op ed today calling the cbo report, there's been a delay in the relief, criticism of the cbo report saying the methodology is fundamentally flawed. how do these preemptive strikes help or hurt the process. >> there's only one answer. it's republicans and democrats that get together and improve obama care, right? solve the problems that had been so hot under the color. let's take them one by one and improve those realities on the ground. by and large, most elements of
the program are hugely popular, you're not going to get rid of them, even republicans won't do, until this thing crashes down, and republicans are forced, they don't want to do it, but forced into negotiating a plan that all americans can live with, that's the answer. does anyone doubt that? >> here's the thing, though. show me a democrat that's genuinely been willing -- in the senate. >> in the senate. >> let's just for a second -- >> even with democrats -- >> even when democrats had a much better standing with barack obama in the white house, they refused to deal with the problem -- >> how do you know? >> there were more problems than obama care. >> how do you know? you wouldn't start, you wouldn't let him in the room. >> ben, listen -- >> no, you wouldn't let him in the room. paul tried. >> democrats refused to move on obama care, to change anything to it, because it was their signature bill, and nancy pelosi and harry reid didn't have any conversation -- >> okay.
>> it's hard to hear both of you, we're talking about seven years in which an effort has been made on capitol hill. led mostly by republicans. the repeal unsuccessfully and all that time in which to come up with something so that republicans, democrats can agree on. but here we go. with seeing how this week unfolds, whether there's a plan that everyone maybe can agree on? thank you so much, good to see you both. up next, the trump effect on the state level, why more governors are breaking with the administration and stepping up their own international outreach. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business.
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he's abandoned the tpp trade deal and threatening to do the same. these moves have spurred governors to take on a new international profile among them. asa hutchinson says his tour of europe last month was to reassure business leaders there, same with the virginia governor. and the governors of vermont and nebraska have made multiple trips to canada about continuing to trade the countries. to talk more about this, i want to bring you guys back. ben you first, is this a big departure for governors and lawmakers too. particularly governors to kind of out front on the international side. >> it's a smart move for many governors doing this. there are several governors that have been proactive when it
comes to going overseas and doing different deals -- bring manufacturing into this country. alabama for example, both of their governors have done a great job working with people like nissan and mercedes to bring massive plants to their state. i think what you're seeing, if it they go around the world and meet with different people directly, and have a direct conversation aligned, we're open for business in our state, it's good for their state and constituents. i think you would see this regardless of the tpp deal, regardless of how it plays out. governors are realizing they have to be proactive to get people working in their states. >> nafta has been a big talking point for the president, and he says if he doesn't get. changes favorable. especially among states. near the border with canada, and mexico, so how influential
potentially could governors be. >> a lot. it is smart for them. it flies right in the face of this harsh anti-trade rhetoric we have gotten out of the white house. all the way back to the trump campaign. >> the truth is, we live in a global world. it's going to be more expensive to try to foster and encourage it, make sure all the players get treated decently. technology is so much -- we cannot put up a big wall around america and hope for the best thing. >> what about on climate change, you know, two different republican governors, plus several democrats pledge their support for the climate agreement. how can members of congress or even governors buck the president's position. >> the governors are always fighting for press over their senators and congressmen.
and donald trump and the white house. any time a governor can say they support something which is meaningless, the governor would have no say so or impact. >> you don't see the tenor as being dinner this go around. >> i don't blame them for that but for a governor to somehow -- to come out about a climate agreement that's international, they will have no bearing on it, it's not like any one of these meetings is going to say, a governor in the united states or someone in another country said they supported this, it's completely meaningless. it's trying to insert yourself into something where you have no business being there, and you have no bearing on the issue. good for you, if you think that's what the constituents in your area want to hear. you think they're going to like it, respond to it, knock yourself out. >> the white house runs -- really taking a big risk by
saying we need some of these governors to help push our agenda, hence health care through. do they want to run the risk of criticizing governors who are making an imprint on the international stage? >> there's a little bit of a disconnect there. the governments have not had a president like this who was thumbing his nose at some of these international deals. you know what, we don't sign on to it, in many cases, they can pass their own environmental reges, have their own stricter standards. >> they can. but not internationally. >> they're pushing back against the national policy, that frankly most americans don't agree. kind of ridiculed in a lot of places around the world. >> we'll leave it there. >> always fiery. thank you so much. appreciate it. we have so much more straight ahead in the newsroom, but first, in los angeles hundreds of at risk youth look
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rapist, a female classmate accused him of sexually assaulting her in 2012. a university investigation later cleared him. but his accuser gained nationwide recognition as mattress girl for photos of her carrying a mattress around on campus. a protester for what she calls lack of action. these images were the subject of her senior thesis. you first, give us the background here, what prompted him to file this lawsuit? >> well, it was initially a defamation lawsuit, that's how we got here. he's suing the university of colombia claiming it allowed his fellow student together able to call him or label him a serial rapist through this art project you see here. carrying a mattress around the campus, leading up to her 2015
graduation, it was her way of protesting a flawed way of handling some of these sexual assault cases on campus. particularly the one she was bringing against her fellow student. eventually one concurrent investigation. eventually resulted in no action against him. as a result, he filed this defamation lawsuit, about four years after these initial allegations surfaced, we have the settlement that's been reached against colombia university and mr. nunguesser. >> what's been the result? >> we reached out to the young lady involved in all of this, she has no comment at this time. as for colombia university, they're not disclosing the particulars on this settlement, but they released a fairly short statement, i wanted to read that for you here. the university recognizes after the conclusion of the investigation, paul's remaining time at colombia became
difficult for him, and not what colombia would want any of its students to experience. the rest of that statement reiterated the findings by the colombia university disciplinary panel, in this case, mr. nunguesser was not responsible for these allegations. >> the university claimed the university of violating his rights. generally, how difficult is that to prove? >> well, it was difficult to prove, and in this particular case, the complaint was dismissed twice, okay? he moved forward under the theory that they were aiding and abetting her, she uses a senior thesis, the ability to put all the school on notice that he violated her. by law enforcement in addition to the school. he did not take likely to that, a judge said your claims are
misplaced, he never saw the light of day. we should let viewers know there was no jury trial. he didn't proceed with his lawyers to have a situation where there was a verdict rendered. you don't get that, because you raise no claim here. nonetheless, he said well, you know what, judge, we disagree with you, and we're going to take it to the next step which is the appellate division. and the school said okay, stop, no. i should point out, this speaks to the broader issue of colleges throughout the country. there has to be a sensitivity to investigating and pursuing and to determining whether these instances of violations and abuse of victims take place. but there also needs to be the recognition that if someone's falsely accused there needs to be some sensitivity to that also, which is a timely discussion considering our current secretary of education is looking into just that. >> joey jackson, pablo sandoval,
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another teen has fallen victim to the stunning online trend that is urging young people to take their own lives. most recently a report of isaiah gonzalez who was found lifeless by his father after an apparent suicide. this is the latest tragedy that seems to be linked to the horrific blue whale challenge. >> she was young beautiful and playful, her family wants to share the teen's story but asked us to conceal her identity. >> she liked to make silly faces, how we say the puppy face when she wants something. >> she was a talented artist,
talented enough to hide secrets in her paintings. >> these are paintings that she drew and were displayed at an art show at school. at first look you don't think anything of it, you think of an abstract painting. >> there were clues that her brother didn't see. not until the 16-year-old took her life. >> if you were to google what a skeleton of a blue whale looks like, it has a tremendous resemblance. >> blue whale is described as an online suicide game. it started in russia two years ago and has been linked to teen suicides all over the world. it's not clear if the game exists. they're given 50 daily tasks and must submit photo evidence to prove each task is complete. on the last day they're told to commit suicide. >> one of the pictures is from
our roof and something called the game mask. >> the family has been in the u.s. for 15 years unaware of any communication the teenager had outside of the country if any. >> and this is basically saying good-bye as well with the blue whale? >> this is in russian? >> yes. >> did you know that she knew russian? >> no. we had no idea. >> while authorities aren't clear if the so called game is real. it's caught their attention. warnings about blue whale circulate in parts of the country. >> i lost my sister to it, or at least part of it. by the looks of everything we found, a major part of it. and there needs to be awareness. >> it's critical for parents and children to be aware of the internet's impact when it comes to teen suicide. >> another trend may come up at any time, instead of trying to catch every trend, a better approach might be to try to
improve our social media literacy to help kids understand how to manage it. >> they need to know and watch. >> as law enforcement investigates the circumstances of the suicide, the family continues to search for evidence. hoping their tragedy will prevent others from falling prey to blue whale. >> how will you remember her? >> happy and as my little sister that i loved. >> oh, my gosh. so tragic and sad. where does this investigation go from here? >> the teen suicide was ruled just that a suicide by the county sheriff now the georgia bureau of investigation has gotten involved. this could turn into a criminal investigation if they are able to find evidence that one of the
so-called administrators assisted the teen in her suicide. >> you would need the communication device. the family has encountered really surprising difficulties trying to break into that phone even with the help of a professional data recovery service. investigators now have possession of that phone. the family wants to raise awareness across the country for this, and we're seeing that effort across the country by other outlets. i talked with a mental health professional in baton rouge who told me she's consulted with teens. >> knowledge is power for so many families to be able to recognize and help and intervene hopefully. thanks so much, kayley. i'm frederique ka whitfield we have so much more after this. where are we?
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here in the cnn newsroom, thanks so much for being with me. i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin this hour with president trump. he has the worst job approval rating since modern polling began. 37% approve of the way mr. trump is handlinging his job as president. the president tweeting this response. the abc/washington post poll although 40% is not bad at this time was just about the most inago our at poll around election time. >> that's not true. in were within 3 1/2 percentage