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>> i get it. >> time for cnn news room with john berman. >> speaking of people to be suspicious of. mixed message, point taken. we have a lot of news, let's goat it. all right, we have live pictures from capitol hill where republican senators hope their breakfast this morning is better than their dinner last night because it came with a side order of a complete collapse of the plan to repeal and replace obama care. done and over for now. doomed by the late night defectio defections. in fact, the news came shortly after the president reportedly told senate eors they would loo like dopes if they don't pass
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something. they are told he was caught off guard and annoyed. he says we were let down by all of the democrats and a few republicans most republicans were loyal, terrific, and work really hard. now they are working to repeal obama care and now just worry about replacing it later. an attitude being adopted by the senate majority leader. mj has more for us on capitol hill. >> reporter: what a dramatic night, mitch mcconnell getting two nails in the coffin last night. they came out to say they will vote know on the notion to proceed. that meant that mcconnell could not bring up his bill to proceed on the senate floor and he acknowledged that repeal and replace is not going to be successful. if that was plan a, we're moving
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on to plan b and here it is. mcconnell still wants to move forward on the motion to proceed with a vote, and he wants to bring up an amendment that is a 2015 repeal bill, and delay that bill for two years. it was vetoed by president obama. if the repeal and delay plan sounds familiar, it should. this is a tactic they considered at the beginning of this year. they decided there was no a tide in the republican conference to just pursue repeal without a replacement plan ready and president trump himself said that repeal and replace should happen simultaneously. so there is a question whether or not he can get 50 votes to move forward on the new plan. some senators might be won over, for example, mike lee said he will now vote question on the
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motion to proceed. president trump vr frustrated based on his tweets, the other one read as i always said let obama care fail and then come together and do a great health care plan, stay tuned. we are certainly staying tuned, inside this closed door meeting we expect some senators to offer push backs to mcconnell for his new plan and we should be getting a little more clarity. he says he wants a vote in the next couple days. we can certainly expect the next few days to be tumultuous. >> there is a side now with implications here. house republicans are about to unveil their new budget plan.
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susan malvo joins us from capitol hill. >> amazing when the budget becomes a side show here. this will happen in a hour or so. they will be unveiling this budget and they have had an incredible amount of infighting. they were really pushing for much deeper cuts here and what is critical to know is that the reconciliation to allow them to push through tax reform. that is why this is so critically important. what is in the bott here, $21 million for defense spending. $511 billion for nondefense spending, and look to see what they're cutting. this is where the freedom caucus
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want some severe cuts, it comes to mandatory programs like medicare and security in the next ten years. they want that number to be double and we'll see what that looks like. is this going to pass? what is the likelihood of this? we'll see the budget committee tomorrow take this up, take a look at it if it gets through the committee itself it will go to the full house, but that is unclear, john, whether or not they have the support. they might have to wait a little bit. they would lead detectives for a a little bit. >> thank you very, very much. joining me to talk about the health care thunder clap.
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and lynn sweet, washington bureau chief, it was an astute political analyst who said they would look like dopes if they did not pass the bill to repeal and replace obama care. they also said if they have the house and senate. do they look like, in his works welcome like weak dopes? >> clearly they have explaining to do there will not be effective in two years. in the meantime it lets lawmakers send out a press release saying we did something, at least. but the reason that replace
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became part of repeal is health care is a big deal to people no matter what your ideology or ethnicity, your religion, and if you have a preexisting condition, policy becomes very personal. >> they are going for repeal, but it is a little loaded. it is technical here before they vote on the full repeal. this is a tough vote for republicans to take here, particularly some moderates. even moderates that vehicle coded for the full repeal in 24 hours. >> they are concerned about repealing something, leaving people white house insurance, and it is an interesting discussion. the idea that if they could not go for the replacement plan, the ytt that they are not replacing
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it with something to offer people, meal while they are want ag full repeal, and mccom could be putting pressure to say look, vote know, if you want a full repeal, and if you don't you're kind of put on the line here. and the president will get some of the blame here. he positioned himself as a deal maker. and you can argue about his utility. letting the congress lead. he said he would get this done and he didn't. >> we'll talk about the preside president. if i don't say it, you will. you said the affordable care act is a mess. one this time that they may put on republicans. -- what happened here?
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was it the president playing golf instead of making deals? was it a fact that it just could never happen with the repeating republican party? >> it is basically doomed before it started for a variety of reasons. once the public accepts the fact that health care is an entitlement, you have a right to insurance and health care, then the idea of having a truly free market approach doesn't work. then it becomes who can give us the most. it is hard for a congress servetive to win grensagainst a liberal. the republicans never had a plan. they never had a coherent idea on how to replace it. trump had a nationalist ideology
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and he just out sourced it. so it was not even a trumpian policy to begin with. it is a complete debocle. >> on the one hand, the president said he wants republicans to just repeal obama care now. like he said all along, let obama care fail. are failure and repeal two different things? >> yes, the art of the deal is making something happen. just doing nothing, you don't need to be president to do nothing. it is the same aftershock of
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helping obama care to fail because we will destabilize the insurance markets. if the free market was the answer to all insurance we would not have needed obama care. you would not have medicare existing to insure seniors. it might allow them to split their vote, they can have it both ways saying i just voted with a motion to proceed, but then i voted against repeal. that is a tactic that we have seen for a long time. a stream of consistency in these tweets, you're looking in the wrong place. >> and back in 2015 they essentially said in year one that 18 or 19 million people would lose their insurance and
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ten years out it would be 20 to 24 million. it could come at a very high, similar cost. kaitlyn, i want to play a game called what does this mean for. what does it mean for the president moving forward do you think? >> his argument this whole time was that he was able to change the way things were done in washington and republicans were arguing that getting behind this president, once they have full control of washington, they would be able to get their agenda passed. it is now july, and they will go home presumably at some time next month. this kask, beyond the health care component was a way to show that this party could fall on both republicans and the president that they were not able to get this done and it
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bodes for tax reform down the line. >> one group that was left out there is what lessons should they take from this saying everything we're not doing has not worked. >> a couple things. we're now entering a repeal phase. we got a sequester. they could not come together and pass something better. the idea that you could play chicken, pass it in two years is dubious. it is dangerous for them to say we're going to run against donald trump. if you don't -- if you never have the philosophy, then you
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are where republicans are now. democrats had better start developing a proactive sort of, you know, optimistic policy for america if they get in power. >> great to have you here with us. >> calls mounsing this morning for jared kushner to be stripped of his white house clearance. white house staffers are worried it could happen. a member of the senate republican leadership joins us to show us what is next. and jous rage builds over the shooting death of a woom in minnesota. mental sharpness in dogsaled 7 and older. (ray) the difference has been incredible. she is much more aware. she wants to learn things.
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the vice president was actively involved lobbying on behalf of
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the administration. the most visible member of the administration working to make the deal. now the president of the united states is calling for a full repeal of obama care and waiting on the ideas for how to replace it late later on. stick around for that. new scrutiny this morning, this is cnn learned that the concerns about the security clearance held by the president's son-in-law, a top aide, the concerns are growing inside of the white house. joe johns joins me now with that, what are you learning? as part of the fallout over the meeting that we have been talking about for the last week or to, jared kushner, a member of the president's family, the
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trump campaign about whether or not they may have been infiltrated by the administration. some on clil, democrats in particular, have been calling for that interim security clearance to be lifted and cnn sarah murray reporting just last night that there are concerns among staffers that he may not be able to get his final security clearance. that is a question that can be asked and answered by the president of the united states. he gets to decide that none the less if the president makes that decision and allows that to be given to him, of course that could create political blowback on capitol hill. >> all right, joe johns for us at the white house, mike quigley is a member of the house intelligence. you have been talking about jared kushner's security
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clearance for some time 37 you said he should not be granted clearance, he should have his clearance revoked, do you still believe that? >> absolutely, and the more we learn, the more reasons there are to remove this. questions arise and that is why the clearance should be removed. how much leverage does the russians have over any one of the trump family, including mr. kushner. it's not just the meeting involved with russians, it's additional allegations to establish back channels using russian embassy communications. this makes absolutely no sense. they are dangerously naive or part of a conspiracy. >> so you're going back to some of the things from what was
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reported back in the -- you said just attentions is all they are right now. do you have any reason to believe it is more than that? >> i think it is preferable at this point in time to talk about the fact that they are allegations, but the fact that they are out there, that the meeting was public and acknowledged by all involved, it is enough of a cloud to raise. but in the meantime they're involved with extraordinarily high level information. >>. they talked about it yesterday. he said there was nothing as far as we know that would lead anyone to believe that it was anything more than a discussion about adoption. is that the case where you are
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sitting right now? >> let's look at who was in the room. it is hard to believe the campaign high officials will be worried about russian adoptions. it doesn't make sense considering who else was in the room, and the fact that trump junior himself said if that's what it is, i love it, especially at the end of august, it defies all believe. >> and in the e-mail exchange, the word adoption was not mentioned. just to clear something up here, did you have any information about this meeting before the details started to become public a week and a half ago. >> i have to be careful to talk about what was and was not briefed in the committee. >> other than, because we never heard anything prior to the middle of june. it was news apparently to a lot
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of people. it would be curious if it was news to people investigating this day in and day out. do you have any information about what was discussed inside that immediameeting other than concerns about who was involved. >> there was a lot of questions, was this the first or the last meeting, why were they in the meeting, was anything exchanged. there are more questions than answers at this point in time. it all bigs the question were the candidates min nions doing n private what he was doing nub lick public l publicly. he was saying how great wikileaks was, he was encouraging russians to hack [ applause
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mrs. clinton's e-mails. >> so former national security advisor susan rice was scheduled to steph for your committee, i believe today, that was pushed back really for the third time, i think. what is it you want to ask her and what is the difficulty in getting her before your committee? >> again, i can't say who has or will be testifying. i think the questions that will be asked of mrs. rice about if there was masking and unmasking issues. that is just what i'm surmising. but again, i can't attest to who has or will testify in closed sessions. just suggesting that if she does testify, my guess is that my republican colleagues are interested in masking and unmasking issues if you read and
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heard what they talked about before. >> is there anything that you're interested in asking her? >> their knowledge as to what has taken place so far, and how it moves forward in the investigation, is of great interest to me. i'm just suggesting her testimony is of greater interest to the republicans on the unmasking issue. >> thank you so much for being with us. >> the similar has sunk to a ten month low after the collapse of the health care bill. kristin romans is joining me now. this is a real world effect of a lightture failure. you have the big questions about where we go from here on trade, budget, taxes, tax reform, what comes next. concerns about his legislative
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agenda. closely watching that here today. watching tooks open in about four minutes, the stock market could open a little lower, but stocks have been close to record highs driven by corporate profits. the investor class has very profited greatly under this administration, even as we have been waiting for these legislative things to happen. so we have had stocks near record highs. we heard from goldman sachs, bank of america. it is how much money companies are making that is what is reflecting in the stock market. not necessarily your job opportunities, but it has been very, very good. >> and you told me all along that investors are looking at what happens in health care, because what they care about is tax cuts and that's what they want and if they can't get health care they can't get tax cuts. >> and they want tax reform,
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too. >> great to have you here, thank you so much. a major blow to the president's agenda. now senators hours away from trying to figure out where to go from here. just repeal obama care with no idea how to replace? do they have a back up plan? stick around. [car tires screech] [bell rings]
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that lead to the collapse of the repeal and replace obama care. eighth dems controlling the senate, crazy. joining me now is jonathan thune. senator, i just want to get your reaction of the changing of the rums, do you think it is a good idea. i will point out that the health care bill done through the budget reck ciguationciliation only 51 votes.
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there is all of these major things he wants to accomplish. >> do you think he understands that? >> i think so, but there are others that he wants to address. even parts of health care reform that don't fit in, he wants to get them done, too. >> you do not support getting rid of the phfilibuster and goi down to legislation -- >> how big of a set back was it overnight when the two republican senators, mike lee and jerry miran, how big of a set back was it?
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it requires a change of plan, and i think now they are offering up a full repeal. that will now become the base in the senate. you have the votes or you don't. and at this point, the proposal out there that i think addresses the concerns that everyone has about obama care, making health insurance more affordable, doing away with the individual mandate, the job killing employer mandate, a all of thos things are in this bill, but at this point it doesn't have the necessary 50 votes that allow us to proceed. >> back in february on the idea of repeal and delay, you said we have to have some at least elements to maintain stability in the market. you were suggesting you needed an idea of what to replace it with rather than delay, and back
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in 2015, when it was repeal only, the cbo said 18 million or 19 million less people would have health care. does any of that concern you? >> that is right, i have said those things. and i believe that. i think that we have to have in place at least a plan that provides a transition in order for us to get to a point where we can have a more wholesome discussion. and the bill in 2015 included a two-year transition. we would allow a two-year period for us to come up with that replacement plan. that would be essentially what we would have up on the floor and be voting on again. so we could ensure there was no disruption in the marketplace and that ensureinsurers can put product out on the marketplace and maintain that stability. >> if i can, i would like to ask
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a question on the russian investigation the journal says they're sick and tired of how the white house is handling it. they suggested in an editorial that they release everything to the public instead of more leaks. every meeting, phone call, e-mail, relationship, this should include every relevance part of his tax returns which the president will resist that mr. mueller is likely to seek anyway. >> i think the american people do deserve an explanation of what happened in these meetings. i think we will get those answers in due time, but i think more is better. i think the administration is served by getting everything out there and being as strans parent as they can. for the issue to go away, i
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think that is the best way to just cleanse it, get it out there, and let et american people decide. >> more transparency? >> more is good, more transparent than they are now. i think there has been reluctance for whatever reason by the administration in some cases to get the information out there and i think they're well served to do that, franly. i think they will find and the intelligence committees and others have not found collusion to this point, and i think the administration would be able to turn that page and move forward if they would get this issue behind them. i think that transparency would allow that to happen. >> senator jon thune, thank you for your time, i appreciate it. >> minutes from now, house speaker paul ryan will speak to reporters, what does he have to say about the collapse of the efforts to repeal and replace
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obama care? a lot of republicans went out on a limb for a vote and what do they get for it? >> and a new test for president trump as russian investigation.
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matthew, what are you learning? >> there has been a statement from the russian official tom shannon to try to get this hammered out, he is the deputy foreign minister here, and when he left the meeting yesterday, he asked about the issue of the return of the compounds were resolved and he said almost. so to say you're on the verge of resolving this would be an exaggeration. we warned the americans we needed return of the property or retaliatory measures would follow. they have said they're running out of patience with this issue. president putin expected president trump to reverse the obama administration's decision and to hand back those properties. that did not happen because of the political pressures that donald trump is under in the united states.
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never the less, the fact that they're now promises retaliatory measures is the sign of the disillusionment they are feeling. they thought he would be the president to turn the relationship around, but oskt he has been utterly unable to do that and people have been very frustrated. >> we'll watch that very closely in the next few hours. in the meantime, mixed messages from the white house on iran. and they say while iran is in on the deal, they are strengthening what the president once dubbed the worst deal ever. jeremy, you know the headline here is maybe that iran is complying with a nuclear deal. >> that's right, for the second time in his presidency, donald trump's administration certified that iran is now complying with the nuclear deal to secretary of
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state rex tillerson. sent a letter to congress, and that is something they have to do every 90 days. at the same time, the administration is trying to send a signal that says they will not take a softer approach to dealing and confronting iran's aggressive behavior in the region. a group of senior officials telling reporters yesterday that iran remains in default in the spirit of the agreement and noting that the u.s. approach under president trump is not just focusing on the nuclear deal, but other regions not covered under in agreement. this agreement covers the nuclear aspects of iran. and this president wants to go after the ballistic missile programs. their sponsorship of terrorism. they also told the u.s. that they're considering additional sanctions against iron that
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would target it's ballistic missile program. iran's foreign minister is saying that iran's compliance with the deal is really black and white. >> jeremy diamond for us, thank you for keeping us posted on that. a minneapolis woman killed by police after she called 911. now the officer that shot her offering condolences to her family. we have more in this story, coming up next. is this a phone?
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identified. he learned the officer driving the squad car when it responded to the 911 call. officer noor has been identified as the one who shot her. she called 911. officer noor is offering condolences to the family. they are on leave as the investigation continues. her loved ones are hoping for more on what happened as the mayor pleas for patience. >> i have the same questions everyone else does. why weren't the body cameras on? what happened in the shooting? they are burning questions we want the answer to, most especially family. most especially the family. we are hoping that information gets released as swiftly as it can be without jeopardizing the investigation. >> ryan, what's the latest? >> reporter: john, a lot of
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questions here. neighbors have been asking why. why did this have to happen? people were standing out here to reflect. we have seen a man who was running, stop to pray here about five, ten minutes ago. if you look this direction, you can see everything that is left. the rain soaked it all down. a sign is why did you shoot and kill our neighbor and our friend? to have the conversation of what we had, the time line hasn't been established just yet. the 911 call came in talking about a sexual assault. it was this alley way, about four to five houses down from where her house was. we believe she came outside to meet those officers. this is where the shot happened. you can understand her family being upset. her fiance wants to know more. >> the death of justine is a loss to everyone who knew her.
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she touched so many people. >> reporter: justine was a beacon to all of us. we only ask that the light of justice j justice shine down. thank you. >> reporter: you heard her father talking there. the question is about the body cameras. what was going on in terms of why the officers activated. this alley way is where the shooting took place. we have so many neighbors asking questions about what were the next steps? family members and everyone else surround thag fiance yesterday around the house. you could feel his heart break as he was talking. he didn't take questions. hopefully, we'll learn more today. john? >> our hearts go out to the families. we have a lolt more coming up in washington, a whole lot. vice president mike pence set to speak any minute. this is the first time you will hear out loud from the
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administration since the effort to repeal and replace obamacare collapsed overnight. the vice president was a key figure in that. we are waiting to hear from house speaker, paul ryan. his house members took a vote. they went out on a limb on health care. how are they feeling now that it all ended, at least for now in the senate?
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good morning, everyone. we have breaking news. major developments on capitol hill on the wake of the collapse of the effort to repeal and replace obamacare. not on your screen. we are about to hear from the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell. it was his plan that went up in flames overnight when two republican senators defected and said they would not vote yes on the motion to proceed. what will senator mcconnell do now? we should learn new details when he speaks in moments. he is not the only one getting ready to talk.
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we are getting ready to flare the vice president of the united states, mike pence. he was the figure in negotiating the effort to repeal and replace obamacare. what will he say now that the effort collapsed. on the right side of your screen, maybe the left, we are waiting to hear from house speaker, paul ryan. paul ryan just walked into the room. what will he say. he forced house republicans to vote on it. they passed their own version. it was a tough vote. how do they feel the effort seems to have failed? we know the president feels annoyed. he was blind sided by the overnight developments. in a statement, moments ago, he wrote with a small majority, the republicans in the house and senate need more victories next year since the dems obstruct no votes. remember, it was two republican


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