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failing are the american people. cnn's ryan nobles gets us started today on capitol hill. >> reporter: tonight senate republicans are running out of options. yet another attempt to address health care reform has run into a major roadblock. >> i regret that the effort to repeal and immediately replace the failures of obamacare will not be successful. that doesn't mean we should give up. >> reporter: soon after senate majority leader mitch mcconnell gave his pitch to repeal obamacare without a replacement, shelly moore, kacapital of west virginia and lisa ronkowski said they would not vote for it. mitch mcconnell said he wouldn't put it to a vote. >> republicans at this point by
themselves are not ready at this particular point to do a replacement. and that doesn't mean the problems all go away. >> reporter: the failure by senate leadership and the way mcconnell has handled the situation has made one prominent republican upset. congressman ron johnson was upset that mcconnell was telling senators not to worry about medicaid cuts. mcconnell said his remarks were misinterpreted. but when asked if he still had faith in mcconnell as a leader, johnson said, kwoquote, i find remarks troubling. when pushed, he was asked, you're not going to say that? >> this isn't about mitch, this is about the politics for health care. >> reporter: the path forward for republicans right now is unclear. the path that existed between the conservative and moderate wings of the party remain,
leaving an alternative that doesn't currently exist as democrats open the door to a bipartisan conversation. >> it's time to move on. it's time to start over. rather than repeating the same failed partisan process yet again, republicans should work with democrats. >> reporter: now, there is a chance that a vote that would move some form of a repeal to the senate floor, which would likely fail, could happen as soon as this week. but just what form that bill would come in remains to be seen. senator john cornyn of texas who is the majority whip said that senators are still negotiating. jake? >> all right, ryan nobles for us on capitol hill, thanks so much. today president trump declared he would not own this defeat which he blamed primarily on democrats being obstructionists, even though, of course, republicans have full control of the house and senate and white house. this prompted us to play a game we like to play around the office called, is there a tweet
for that? meaning has president trump ever criticized president obama for doing the exact same thing he's doing. here's one from september 12, 2012. quote, obama's complaints about republicans stopping his agenda are bs since he had full control over it, end quote. so yes, there is a tweet for it. >> reporter: one of president trump's signature campaign promises to repeal and replace obamacare sidelined. but the president defiant saying, let obamacare collapse and not to blame him or his party. >> we'll just let obamacare fail. we're not going to own it. i'm not going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. we'll let obamacare fail and then the democrats are going to come to us and say, how do we fix it, how do we fix it? or how do we come up with a new plan? >> reporter: defending the situation to simply allow the
health care to fail which could find millions struggling to find insurance. >> reporter: congress refuses to join in fixing the health care problems that have plagued our health care systems, and hopefully with the collapse of the program they put in place, they'll be more willing to come to the table and help clean up the mess. >> reporter: the vice president who took the leading role to work with gop leaders on capitol hill said lawmakers need to do more. >> congress needs to step up. congress needs to do their job, and congress needs to do their job now. >> reporter: the president is blasting democrats for the collapse of this senate bill which they had no part in crafting. >> it would be nice to have democrat support, but really, they're obstructionists. they have no ideas. they have no thought process. all they want to do is obstruct. so the way i look at it is in '18, we're going to have to get some more people elected. we have to go out and we have to get more people elected that are
republican. >> reporter: even with republican majorities in both the house and senate, republican efforts to replace obamacare have stalled. the health care failure is a stunning blow to the senate's agenda who just two months ago celebrated the passage of the house bill in what could only be described as a victory lap. >> we're going to get this passed through the senate. i feel so confident. >> reporter: with controversy surrounding the russian situation, president trump is facing his lowest approval ratings just six months into his presidency. that is providing constant pressure. the president is facing bipartisan calls to reexamine the security clearance of his senior adviser jared kushner over meetings kushner failed to initially disclose. and jared kushner's legal team pushing back on any possibility that his security clearance could be in jeopardy. his attorney releasing a statement that says in part, we have heard no expression of concern from the fbi and i think
we would know if there are such concerns at this time. the white house deputy press secretary was also asked a little earlier today if there was any trust that was broken between the president and his son-in-law. she says the president still has confidence in him. jake? >> all right, jason carroll at the white house for us, thank you. he has called the senate health care bill unacceptable and now his office is feuding with the vice president over claims that the vice president made that were false. so what is governor john kasich's plan to move forward on health care? we'll talk to him next. ♪ ♪ ♪
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vocal opponent of the bill. he joins me now. governor, thank you so much for joining us. >> you're welcome, jake. >> here is how president trump reacted to senate republicans' failure. >> let obamacare fail. it will be a lot easier. and i think we're probably in that position where we'll just let obamacare fail. we're not going to own it. i'm not going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. >> there are, of course, measures that could be passed today to help stabilize obamacare instead of letting it fail, but the president seems to want it to fail. that's the strategy. what do you think? >> well, i don't quite know. i think if he was able to be delivered a bill, jake, in my opinion, that could begin to solve this situation, in my opinion he would sign it quickly. that's my view. i don't know that. he hasn't told me that. but look, we know that the insurance exchanges need to be fixed. i mean, democrats will tell you that, republicans will tell you that. i suggested a long time ago that
that ought to be the focus and that's where i think it ought to be now, to do some things to stabilize that exchange, and then once that's done, to begin to think about the broader aspects of health care. and when it relates to medicaid, jake, in my opinion, we ought to have a way in which we can look at all entitlements. medicaid, medicare, social security are beginning to sweep our country in the national debt. so all these things can be reformed, but they really should be done on a bipartisan basis. >> senator mitch mcconnell want to hold a vote in the very near future. he says to repeal obamacare only, figure out a replacement later. right now he doesn't seem to have the votes for that. what do you think of that plan? >> that's not a good one, jake. if you got rid of that, a lot of people would lose their health insurance. i think there are people who are breathing a sigh of relief. i get letters, all the governors
get letters. senators, they had their town hall meetings. this program needs reformed. i've been saying it all along. it's not like we can just look the other way and things are going to get better. the insurance market is turbulent. we have to look at what we're going to do long term with entitlements. they just repeal something like that, then where do people go then who have drug addictions and chronic illness and mental health? you just can't walk away from that. i don't agree with that. i understand he doesn't have the votes. i was looking at a screen, i can't remember who, but it said collins and murkowski and capitau from west virginia. a state that is poor, a state that is needy. there are people like that all over the country. >> you said this needs to be figured out in a bipartisan way. listen to what chuck schumer told his senators today.
>> if they abandon medicaid, abandon tax cuts for the wealthy and agree to go through the regular order. the door to bipartisanship is open right now. republicans only need to walk through it. >> do you think those compromises are acceptable? >> i think chuck's too political there, to be honest with you. i had a conversation with him, but let me react to what he just said publicly. you don't ask a political party, here are my conditions, say that you failed, say you're wrong. i think that's nonsense. that's not -- if i were the democratic leader, what i would say is, hey, look, it's not working. there's a lot of people in this country who are at risk. let's get together. let's have some conversations. i don't agree with that tone. it's that kind of a tone from both parties. you know, when you got one party saying, oh, well, we would have to work with the democrats, that's the wrong tone. when you have somebody who says,
those republicans, they failed. all they have to do is what i say and then we can meet. that's nonsense. that is not the direction we need to go in this country. you know, i talked to one democrat senator who told me some of our people think, you know, politically this is good for us. he said, let me tell you what i worry about. i worry about those people who will be affected. i salute that senator. i'm not going to say who it was, but that's the direction. you know, look, we're in this together. there is a lot of people in need and let's stop just demanding certain things in order to get things done. >> you've been reaching out to senators, as you note. have you heard from democrats and republicans willing to work in a bipartisan way on this issue? >> oh, yeah, tom parker and i have talked a number of times. tom has always been a hero in this. his wife worries he spends so much time on this. i said, tom, you're doing the lord's work. i know he's had conversations with republicans. lisa murkowski came out and said
the time has come to work with democrats. so has susan collins. i had a very nice conversation -- well, let me not get into who i talked to because then they'll be afraid to call me. but a number of them have called me, and of course there's been a willingness to work across the aisle. john mccain apparently today tweeted out, time to do this together. look, jake, this is a big chunk of our economy. we can have all the debates we want about taxes and about infrastructure and all these things, but when it comes to health care, it involves our spouses, it involves our children, it involves our neighbors, it involves the people we love. and everybody wants to feel a little bit of security as it revolves around that issue. >> governor kasich, stick around. we've got much more to talk about. we'll take this quick break. >> thank you.
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governor john kasich. governor, vice president pence said on friday that disabled people in your state of ohio were struggling because of obamacare. take a listen. >> i know governor kasich isn't with us but i suspect he is very troubled to know that in ohio alone nearly 60,000 disabled citizens are stuck on waiting lists, leaving them without the care they need for months or even years. >> what's your response to that, governor? >> well, we know he's wrong about that. everybody has said it and the fact is there is no connection between our developmental disabilities. by the way, we have put historic amounts into that. there is no connection between that and medicaid. frankly, these waiting lists are things that people -- we had a three-month-old baby, the parents of a three-month-old baby, put him a waiting list that will come, who knows, 10, 15 years down the road. there is no connection. i think they've tried to back off but this is not the time for
me to be in a back and forth with mike pence. i think it's all been clarified, and look, we just move on. i don't like to get in those kind of squabbles, but that information was false. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell was asked this afternoon about republicans keeping their frequent promise to repeal obamacare. take a listen to this exchange. >> the voters next year who don't campaign? >> we have a new court justice. we have 14 new repeals of legislations and we're only six months into it. the last time i looked, the congress goes on for two years. >> there is mitch mcconnell being asked, what are you going to say to voters failing this. but the big question is, why didn't republicans have a plan? they've been making this promise for years. >> jake, i think when you get in
the middle -- look, all these folks that run for office, many of them, and i said this during the presidential campaign. i said, did you ever notice how many people make promises and then when they get elected they don't deliver on them. it's because once you get there and you understand the gravity of the situation, it's difficult. and again, i don't want to have somebody saying the republicans failed, no? i think what they're doing now is saying we don't have the best solution. and when we looked at everything here, we didn't have anything that really made sense. but i think it's very clear, two points. one is the insurance markets need to be stabilized. and there are efforts that can be made to do that. it should be done on a bipartisan basis. i think there are senators willing to do it. number two, on the issue of entitlements. we can't continue to have entitlements grow and eat up greater and greater portions of the budget, and jake, here's the thing. i think our debt is about 80% of our gross domestic product, gdp. when it gets up higher and higher, it means we have slower
economic growth. but you have to reform entitlements, you don't have to go and cut them. you need to get them on a glide path just like we did when we balanced the budget in the late '90s. this whole business, if republicans go home and say, we did our darn best, but here's the thing. we don't want to cut people off who really need health care, we will slow the growth of health care. i think it's a winner. i don't think they need to go around apologizing for it, just say what they found. it's okay. life is short. >> governor john kasich of ohio, thank you for your time, sir. always good to see you. >> jake, thank you. new details about donald trump's meeting with the russian lawyer. we now know who the eighth person in the room is. stick around. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century.
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the irs, fbi and the federal attorney's office not only led to sentencing for hastert but that the past would be revealed. >> we felt this was a success in the sense of letting the world know what happened. >> reporter: he was caught because the powerful politician who became a lobbyist had privately agreed to give millions in hush money to a man known only as individual a. >> he ended up going the cash route and taking it out many, many times, even to the point where they were making exchanges in a parking lot.
>> reporter: according to the irs investigators, hastert regularly withdrew just under $10,000 in cash to give to his former student. the continued abhorrence to this financial cap was a crime that raised suspicion at the highest level. >> hob yobviously there is conc for him. there is concern for a country that could be compromised. >> we had to ask him. that was our last effort to find out why. >> agents invited him into their home and promptly asked for an explanation. >> he said he didn't trust banks and then ultimately it was revealed that he was claiming to be extorted by individuals. >> reporter: hastert's attorney then claimed a former student was blackmailing the politician with false accusations of abuse. >> i never thought i would have to ask the former speaker, have
you ever sexually abused any of your students? and he said no. >> reporter: but as agents would soon learn and would later assert in court, the man in question was individual a and he was being paid to hide the truth. >> mr. hastert tried to frame the individual he sexually abused. and i think that shows just how intensely mr. hastert needed to keep secret what he had done. >> reporter: for some in yorkville, the accusations remained hard to believe. >> i was stunned. it was very hard. he did a lot to the community and he made some mistakes. >> reporter: but with scott cross, it says future victims
will be able to come forward. >> joining me now, scott cross who was sexually abused by mr. hastert in high school. i would like to start with the fact that mr. hastert is free. >> i was a little surprised. i was a little, to be honest, disappointed in the sentence that was given out. but that gave me a chance to kind of reflect on what i wanted to do maybe moving forward to try and be an advocate to help others out with some of the things that i've done. in effect, the reason i came out is it was kind of like a slap on the wrist. he was charged with a financial crime, not what he had actually done to myself and others back in the '70s. and it was troubling to hear of the early release, but there was nothing i could do about that. i'm just trying to move on. >> you've been successful
working with others to change the law in illinois so people like him, who a judge called a serial child molester, had to answer to their crimes. to my understanding there is no illinois. but this is not the case in every state. so tell us what needs to happen nationwide. >> i worked with the attorney general in the state of illinois probably for the last nine months. i testified in some senate hearings and some state representative hearings. the general assembly in the state of illinois unanimously approved this change to remove the statute of limitations. in the state of illinois right now is up to age 38 to remove -- or to be charged with a sex crime. so that was what i tried to do to help out. and that should go into law probably in the next 30 days. that happened at the end of may. but it's more important that not just the state of illinois
change that, other states need to do this, too. there's only been a handful of states and that's really what i'm trying to help with a voice, to see if we can get other states to change their statute of limitations as well. >> and especially with sex crimes and the statute of limitations is on people don't come out for years and years, even decades. so having a statute like that really impedes. if you're a child, you might suppress it. explain to some people who don't understand why it takes so long for people who are sexually abused as children to come forward? >> this is probably, boy, one of the hardest things anybody could ever go through for myself. statistically, here's what's, i think, fascinating from a st
stati statistical perspective. 90% let this happen to them. we as humans just bury this. for myself, i didn't say anything for 37 years. this story broke two years ago. i was sitting at my house on a thursday evening about 6:00. i got my first text about this. and i had seen something hit the wire maybe an hour or so before that, and i thought, oh, boy. here it comes. so i knew too well, and this is just a burden that you carry. you think about shame, guilt, embarrassment, humiliation. the hasterts of the world have so much trust and respect over you that you really have a hard time processing and understanding it. and so for 37 years -- and i don't think i'm that different than anybody else that you just hold that in. you don't tell anybody.
>> your wife didn't know? >> my wife didn't know. i had three other brothers. my parents are still around. i told nobody anything. i confided to one of my brothers and my wife the very next day. it was very hard for me to tell my parents. i waited a good couple of months before i told them anything that happened. and they were obviously surprised. but internally, jake, i felt that coming out was the right thing for me to do. i can't speak for others. i hope by coming out and talking about this, other people have the courage to come out and speak out about this, whether it's him or somebody else out there. i just felt that it was the right thing to do. a lot of people will tell you there's no up side by coming out. you're going to be on the internet forever. i understood that and i processed that, and this was a
very, very difficult decision to come out and then to come before the court and make that impact statement. i still feel looking back it was the right thing for me to do. >> it established what his crime was, because individual a did not come forward. that was the person that hastert was paying off. >> right. >> you're the person actually coming forward, a very credible, respected member of illinois society saying "this happened to me." i think it's fair to say that if it weren't for you, people wouldn't necessarily know what to make of the charges. don't you think? >> yeah, unfortunately, it's probably true. this was a small community. 2500 people where i grew up, a high school of 600 people. he was at the height of his popularity prior to going into politics. that's something that i looked at and thought, i want to be part of this. and so when you have that
stature in the community, 37 years later, people still didn't believe it. they thought there is no way this is true. and so i dealt with that dynamic for nine months that this was going on. part of me said, i want to come out and have a voice in this and try to make a difference. >> you did. you did make a difference. i want to ask you, though, because it's not just saying this about your former coach who is a powerful man. he was one of the most powerful men in the world, literally. second in line to the presidency after the vice president. and there were former members of congress who wrote letters on his behalf. when it came out what he had done, and the judge said these letters are going to be made public, some of them took them back. >> right. >> we don't know who, but some of them kept these letters. here's one from house majority whip, former house majority whip
tom delay, republican of texas. he wrote, we all have our flaws but dennis hastert has very few. he doesn't deserve what he's going through. i ask that you consider the man that is before you and give him leniency where you can. i will say i can't believe somebody would say, about a serial child molester, dennis hastert has very few flaws, he doesn't deserve what he's going through. that's staggering to me. i can't imagine what it was like for you to read that. by the way, just so people know, you're a republican. you're a proud republican. so this is not a partisan issue at all for you. but what was that like to read from delay? >> i read some of those accounts about -- that people didn't know what he was accused of and it hadn't -- because i think people up until a couple months ago thought, this isn't true. he was the speaker of the house. second in line, third in line.
it was unfathomable that this was actually true. just so many people said there is no way this is true, and he gets these letters. i was shocked. i was absolutely shocked. that's a pretty big flaw to be -- the financial crimes were the only thing they could get them for, and to have somebody at that level and others, i think there were 62 letters that people wrote in support, and it was kind of along the same theme. maybe not as outlandish, in my opinion, of tom delay's comments, but i don't know how anybody could write a letter knowing what he had done to others. >> have other abuse victims reached out to you since you went public? >> i've had a few folks come out. >> hastert victims or other -- >> hastert's victims. there was a common theme in kind of how he went about his abuse.
and every story that i read, i haven't talked with any of these other -- the a, b, c, other victims and certainly not jolene burgess, steven reinholt. i did talk with some others that were not part of the government case, and they are saying stories about what he did and how he went about his abuse. >> you're a very brave person, and i know it was very tough to come out and do this publicly and even come on the show today. but you made a difference in illinois. kids in the future are going to see justice because of you and what you did, and hopefully some people out there will watch the show, find out what the laws are in their state and try to change it. thank you, scott, and thank you for trusting us with this story. you're a very brave man and it
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