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comes to russia, how much credibility does the administration have? let's get right to cnn global affairs analysts, a former counterterrorism official, and john siefer who served in moscow in the 1990s and later ran the cia's russia program for three years. good to have you all on. i can't wait to hear your expertise on this. we're now learning about the priviously undisclosed meeting at the end of the social dinner on the same day they had their two-hour meeting. you say this is totally bazar. why do you say that? >> i don't understand the incredible amount of time and focus he spends on russia. and russia just is not that critical. the road to economically and the road. the road to defeating terrorism isn't through moscow. russia has the 12th largest
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economy in the world. texas alone, california alone, each of those states has a larger economy than russia and maybe it's innocent. there's no clear evidence of collusion. it's strange he spends so much time on putin. >> if the conversation should be about anything, it's about terrorism and medaling in the election. that's what it should be about. >> look, the war on syria should stop. we have arab allies that will help us stop with terrorism. why so much focus on russia by this white house? >> john, the white house says when president trump spoke to president putin, they used a russian translator, because they
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didn english translator didn't speak russian. >> this probably wouldn't be an issue under any other president but we're concerned because president putin obviously has a good take on president trump and has a lot of experience in the international arena and president trump doesn't. so having them one on one is of concern and politically, when vow all of our allies. and to spend all your time on russia, it sends a bad signal, especially when all of this is happening at home at the same time. >> are you surprised they didn't disclose this second meeting sooner? >> i have a different perspective here. this is through translation. so he spent two plus hours with putin before hand. that's three plus hours. that's an hour 1/2 in translation. presumably the election fraud issue.
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the medaling by the russians. crim crimea. the iron nuclear deal. they discussed a deal, maybe they talked north korea. that's a lot of turff to cover. we have a president -- you were talking about how little attention he's paid to health care with detame. i look at this and say why do we think it's a bad thing the president had a lengthy discussion with vladimir putin if you actually discuss detail? >> so the summit occurred after north korea launched what's said to be an intercontinental ballistic missile and that was the amount of time he spent with putin was vastly more than president xi of china. i don't understand the focus on russia all this time in terms of geo politics. there's many other important
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issues. >> the president met president of china. he had never met president putin. 90 minutes to talk to one of the top leaders around the world, i say 90 minutes because it's in translation. i don't see why we're spending so much time on this. >> let's talk about this donald trump jr. meeting. they identified the eighth person in that meeting last june and he works for the russian oligarch connected to putin. he studied in moscow. and back in 2000 he was under congressional investigation. a possible billion dollar money laundering scheme. he claimed no wrong do and was never charged with a crime. why are we just learning about him now? >> this could be the meeting that donald trump jr. has described that nothing came out of it. but to start without a
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description that it's about children being adopted. they said it's not that important a meeting to them and now a close associate is atte attending the meeting as their associate. the drip, drip, drip of russia's stories. could they just disclose how many meetings, when they occurred. they could be innocent but by not disclosing these things, the story continues and continues. >> in that room we have a russian lawyer who may have ties to the kremlin, though she denies it. one accused of hacking of a company and that was later dropped. and one person accused of money laundering was dropped to rr all in the same room with kushner, manafort and don jr. and it wasn't disclosed. >> this is about dirt.
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a four letter word in washington d.c., dirt. sex, money, power. this is about power. it's not about adoptions. the lawyer who wanted to talk about adoptions knew that would never get her in the room. she said if i want access to power, i've got to promise them dirt. so she comes in with lobbyists who have credibility with don jr. and they say we have access with somebody who's the son of putensh that he will incoming president of the united states. we want as many people in that room as possible because there's a chance that access will grow over time. this is about power and dirt and it looks pretty simple to me. >> this to me has all the hallmarks of a russian intelligence operation. the blatantness of the email ---ing if this was the first reach out you would have to someone you're interested in.
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you wouldn't want them to be that aggressive for fear they back off or say no. it's not so much what happened in the meeting or that it took place, it's that it took place and don jr. and manafort did not bring the fbi. that sent a powerful signal to moscow. you had a chance to tell the fbi that's why you would send people who were access agents in case there's the fbi there. the fact they didn't tell the fbi, you've sent a powerful signal you're willing to compromise yourself and the russians would think about how to move forward from there. >> is it the hallmarks of trying to see if you're susceptible to this? john? >> oh, you're asking me?
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oh, yes, sir. i use a dating analogy but this is sort of what an intelligence officer does. they're trying to see if they can move that relationship increasingly in a conspear torrial way so eventually your source and they're helpful to you or they put out information to embarrass you and the russian in this case could have gone either way. they sent that email. most people would either run away or invite the fbi. the fact they agreed to the meeting and had the meeting, nobody got arrested, nobody got in trouble sent a powerful signal it's worth taking the next step to see if these people are willing to work against the interest of the next country. >> it sounds like you're saying the same thing. but they needed dirt.
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>> mud is saying they only needed dirt. yeah. i'm halfway there with john. regardless whether you think they orchestrated this as an intelligence operation. he said nothing illegal happened here. that's not the point. even if they heard about the meeting afterwards, that a political player, the potential president is willing to accept dirt from hostile foreign intelligence power. if you got that message in moscow, the lesson might be let me direct my intelligence resources to collect information so that i can feed that into a campaign. i don't care if that's legal or not, that's not what we want in american politics. >> the inside story of team trump. what chris christie did on election night that may have cost him a job in the trump white house. wildcats 'til we die weekenders.
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anecdotes from the campaign. here's what he told about new jersey governor got chewed out on election night. >> christy had been working a lot of people in trump's circles. christie was smothering the president and christie had somehow arranged with obama's people that if trump won, obama was supposed to call christie's cell phone and he would hand it to trump. trump didn't like he was exerting himself and he's a germophobe and didn't want to take chris christie's cell phone. he disappeared pretty quickly -- that moment in the days that followed, he wound up going from being in charge of the transition and maybe ticketed for some high level job to being
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completely on the outs sent back to new jersey. >> so chris christie is trying to dominate. and a germ latent phone to a president who's a germophobe. >> this explains the mystery on election night. and joshua green is very well resourc resourced. it's number one on amazon today. i think they're taking us behind the scenes of what really happened. >> i saw christie disputing this specific story and his argument rings true. this is going to be barack obama calling donald trump if he won. basically about a conses sess n session. i don't know. sounds like a great book. i'm inclined to think --
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>> but i don't want to touch your phone. i have to ask you. this one is about house speaker paul ryan who bannon feared would try to take the nomination from trump and green writes in his book bannon used his role to trash him calling hame limp dmf erborn in a petri dish. >> the limp and the mf thing are contradictory. i don't think you can do both. having said that, this one actually rings true to me. we know -- >> this is bannon. sounds like steve bannon. he doesn't like paul ryan.
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and the thing that interested me is it supposedly happened at the heritage foundation. that's a weird place to be dropping this kind of language. >> a peatry dish -- >> right. but when we think about all the rivalries in the republican party. bannon verses ryan is something to keep an eye on as they try to get the health care bill through. >> curt, you worked there. what do you think? >> this is vintage steve bannon and if you remember at the campaign was heading to the closing sides, there was story after story that paul ryan was colluding with hillary clinton to help her win at the expense of donald trump. and i think bryan is right this is one of the more cons wengsal relationships to watch and i
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foul ey expect a full tilt turn against paul ryan. they've made it no secret they don't want paul ryan in as a secret. they had the idea they would replace those leadership figures with people aligned like them as steve has artfully put it. paul ryan is part of the very establishment that steve wants to destroy. >> interesting. i have to say we have invited steve bannon on but he always declined. steve bannon came in to lead the campaign after paul manafort got fouled. he tell as story about a negative article said. you treat me like baby.
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am i like a baby to you? i sit there like a little baby and -- and watch tv and you talk to me. am i a f'ing baby. all i'm thinking is nobody puts baby in a corner. am i funny ha-ha? but it's well known that aids talking to the president via tv. >> sure. they want to get their message across, they tend to speak to him on television because they know he's watching. i've heard from many aids that trump does have a salty mouth and he's used that foul language not just on paul manafort but on steve bannon himself. he's undressed him in front of aids as well. he's done this to reince priebus. he has a very direct way of
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speaking to his staff and steve bannon has the same sort of style as well. at the end of the day aids say they feel they have to manage trump in some ways and the only way to plant an idea is to say it through the media or to make it seem like his idea which is very typical when you're dealing with someone who tends to think they have the best ideas. but trump does rely on steve bannon. he carries the torch for his bait. he has the heart of the people he's supposed to be delivering his campaign promises for. and at the end of the day i think steve knows and trump knows they need eachither and steve actually does need steve and he could turn the entire breitbart apparatus on trump and that could be damaging to him. >> are we surprised foul language is used in a campaign? does gambling happen in vegas?
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>> but it's helpful to hear. >> the hillary clinton campaign book, the clinton people were not happy. but we're not done yet because we're going to talk about megyn kelly, his treatment of women. all of that was written about in this book. we'll be right back. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh ... he got there. that's the power of and.
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we're talking about the explosive new book about president trump and his chief strategist. so it was on full display during the campaign, especially where kelly pressed him. and bannon called her pure eval. >> pure eval. this would partly explain why breitbart is very frequently very critical of megyn kelly. they still publish stories about ratings. never skips an opportunity to criticize megyn. speaks to ban and his idea to seek media targets. she was an early preview of what the presidency was going to be like with these attacks against the media. this book has fresh insight about how bannon thinks about the press.
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he doesn't think much about but his attacks on the media. >> and shows you steve bannon is more interested in attacking figures more center right than the left. there's nothing bad about nancy pelosi but attacks on paul ryan, megyn kelly. i think that's one of the big things breitbart has done is this struggle between the paul ryans of the world sdh donald trump's of the world. >> and what did we see today? donate a dollar we'll give you a fake media, fake news bumper sticker. >> you're also going of a jeff black. o vifrts not really the left that much. >> it reminds me of my dad when
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i hear him say fake news and then he said bozanga and you're like you've said that 14 times. every time i come home you've been telling me the same story. i don't care. we shouldn't care. go on. who's that? curt? >> it reveals there's a certain amount of petiness in that they are so consumed and obsessed with demeaning and beating down anyone they feel has slighted them in life and they crave and want the acsoeptance so much. they want theed aeration from all these people that have shuned them. breitbart was a laughing stock and it almost served to motivate them even more because they feel so slighted that they are obsessed with trying to get everyone else to come around to
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the idea they've been right all along. >> well, that's what people in the middle of the country may not understand or people not in new york city or a media center is that he craves media attention. that's part of the reason he's so upset with cnn because cnn should do all positive stories. he sees cnn as a institution like coca cola and he loves star said. so someone who does ntd just shower love on him, he gets upset. >> it really is petdy and benoeth the dignity of the office. bannon came wielding enormous influence over the president but found himself on the houts after being touted as the master
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manipulator. >> bannon had a lot of influnsz. i don't think he was ever the puppet master he was portrayed as being. he was trump's idia log and pit bug. and it enraged trump, obviously because eventually it cost bannon a seat on the national security counsel. he got put in the dog house and didn't get out until a months ago. >> trump does not want to have anyone costarring along side him, particularly not someone seen as pulling trump's puppet strings. >> co starring, right, since he came to prominence in a big part because he's a tv star. is he has powerful as he used to be? >> he's kept a low profile and he has someone from outside of the administration who helps
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manage inquiry. he has a following but her role is basically to keep them out of the press because it does not serve him in any way. one criticism i do from the colleagues. a lot of -- he wants to cross them out and he's the one keeping trump on track but one criticism is he gets distracted easily and while he has great ideas, he's not an executer in the same way gary cohen is or some of the other aids and he's losing some of these battles over the way the policy should be moving forward. he has five people. he has two deputy assistants. a body man, two other assist
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ntsz. he has five people underneath him. he has a war room. next people magazine cover. it comes out tomorrow. this is heartland magazine. celebrity magazine. and the banner that says trump family secrets and lies. so it's another example of the tornt of negative press about don jr., about erick, about ivan ivanka. there's a quote from a sars saying he's miserable and after the last 10 days all the speculation about the russia meeting, can't blame him. >> think about it all of you, if you were a very wealthy family, the family business, you could basically do whatever you want, fly around your private plane.
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nobody dug into your personal business and life, why would your want to be the president of the united states or the first family? >> or to be the first family. right? >> that's why they're so bad at this. >> seriously. >> they've lived in that bubble for so long. they're used to not being challenged, scrutinized. they're used to being able to do whatever they want. it was their brand and what they say goes. >> they didn't even have to report to share holders or a family business. >> but it's been six months and two years since the campaign began. so at what point does the novice argument start to fade away? >> we shall see. in "30 rock" i want to go there. i want to go back to there." coming up why was a bride to be killed
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another deadly police shooting, this time in minneapolis. a bride to be called 911 to report a possible assault in an alley near her home. moments later she was shot to death by a police officer. there are far more questions than answers. joining me to discuss, the minneapolis star tribune, the lead reporter on the story, andy manx. the minnesota department of public safety, the bureau of
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criminal apprehension released new videos. what can you tell us? >> there's still i think a big appetite for an explanation that helps us make sense of it. what we're able to find out today was and sometimes confirming what we had already gotten from sources over the past couple of days but giving us a skeleton chain of events that happened, which is basically justeen calls 911. she believes there's possibly an assault taking place near her home. the officers show up. they were a little unclear but there was a loud noise. it might have been fireworks, might have been something else but it put them on edge and suddenly the woman comes up to the vehicle, the driver's side and the passenger shoots out the window. so across his partner and hits
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her in the abdomen and she died on the scene. >> unbelievable. and officers are looking to talk to a man on a bike? >> there aren't many witnesses. we have the officer hairty and we have the woman who's dead. so they're looking for any witnesses. there was a guy that came by on a bicycle but unclear how much he actually saw. so they're trying to track him down because that's the only other person they know of in the area. >> and the officers didn't have their body cameras on and their squad cam was off as well. what should have happened? >> it's unclear. there are certain instances where they have to have their body cameras on. this they can turn them on when it's appropriate.
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you think when an officer's drawing their gun, that's something you want to record. so unclear exactly if policy was broken but certainly a lot of questions about whether or not they were following procedure. what's the reaction like? i know we see family and friends and they're sad and grieving. but what's their reaction like from the community? >> a lot of people who are angry, curious what happened on its face. we got more information today but we didn't have much to go on for the first few days. not a lot from law enforcement. on its face you have a woman who calls police because she thinks a crime is occurring. that sends a troubling message to law abiding citizens. so people are really trying to make sense of that.
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we had the shooting in minneapolis. in the suburb. different police department that was your -- your viewers may remember that because the passenger facebook streamed a lot of that, kind of the aftermath. so that officer was charge would the crime and acquitted just a couple weeks ago. before that we -- this is going on about a year 1/2 ago. an unarmed black man shot and killed. so that was -- in that case no charges for the officers. but all of these have created a response where community members are questioning police, questioning use of force. so for this to come in such a short time period, a lot of stirring relationships between law enforcements, city officials and the community. >> what can you tell us about
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the one involved in this shooting? >> he's been involved in twung months? >> 31 years old. he's somali. i'm not sure exactly was he born here or maybe came as a young man man. as far as we know he was a good officer. he had a few open complaints internal affairs. a lawsuit related to an incident where he detained someone and brought her to a hospital. but no resolution on that either. so none of them we can draw too much conclusion. it's not like he has a long history of being violent or anything like that or at least that we can confirm. >> from the minneapolis star
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tribune, thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> cnn contributor, the author of they can't kill us all, ferguson baltimore and a new era in america's radical racial justice movement. and the author of "in to the kill zone." it's so good to have all of you. why do you think there is such a lack of transparency around this case? >> in one sense i'm okay with him doing the job properly because although we want to hear every snippet we get, it needs to be done in a good way. having just said that, i'm getting frustrated that they are starting to let out these snippets. that there was a noise. i even saw a report one of the officers was quote startled by it. i don't like it's being left out in sniffets but much more concerned with what seems to be an obvious violation of the
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policy. we've talked about the need for body cameras and it's unconscionable that neither had their body cameras or the dash cameras rolling because at the very least they were coming in at night looking into a potential sexual assault. this needs to stand as a case to show every cop sld a body camera because at least then we have had some evidence. >> i see you nodding your head there, wes. why wouldn't these cameras be operating? especially given what we've been dealing with the last five or so years, at least what's been in the news? >> we know so lettal. we're reading tea leaves and so the precision with which we understand what was going on or
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not, we don't have it yet. i can see or understand, inspectedi depending on what they had been told. someone thinks they're hearing someone outside, why they might not have their body cameras on. why they might not be running. this is something a lot of police unions talk about about when are they supposed to be on verses not. we know there's a use of force but both officers weren't expecting to use force but one of the officers would. it speaks to some of the difficulties with body cameras. we've seen the preponderance of body cameras. but what we've yet to see is a full set of best practices of when they should be used and beyond that, had there been a
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camera in this case, there's huge questions about whether the public or the family would be able to see it. >> and maybe they should be turned on automatically. they should be triggered by something automatically. david, what did you say? >> they have a policy in place and it suggests in an event which could become critical, you should use it. a traffic stop for example. so i would think if it's enough to suggest a body camera should be turned on, an event where you're showing up there's no reason not to have it on and at the very least they were fully trained. officer noris going to be looked at very closely and if he happens to be an officer who is not properly utilized his camera like he was supposed to because we now know how often officers are supposed to use their cameras, it's going to be questionable.
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this needs to be a learning point for officers that when they have cameras, they have to use them. >> what's your response to this? >> real quickly. i basically agree with the notion that they're a good thing. however, one of the key issues people don't seem to think about is the privacy rights of citizens. that bothers me. ful you were a police officer getting a call to a sexual assault and you see a female flagging you down, maybe this is my sexual assault victim. i don't want a body camera on. so maybe that could be an explanation. the shooting is a whole other thing and i have problems with things going on with that. but there could be a legitimate reason not having the camera activat activated. i have colleagues doing studies and we know it's taking a little
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take control. ask your doctor about nonprescription ibgard. we're back with my panel. david clinger was making a point about the body cameras. mark, you disagree with him about that? about privacy or a rape victim or assault victim. >> there are a couple of logistic problems with the cameras. one is storage. it's enormous data and redaction because some criminal defense attorney like me is going to make a request to get it and the police have to go through the process of redaction. i understand the logistical concerns. i disagree with david if he's saying an officer can somehow make this determination i may be coming upon a sex is event and may not want to turn my camera on. those cameras are now the standard for retention of evidence. it should be on at any time
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they're going to interact with the public. i agree, if in fact it catches something of a victim of a sexual assault, so be it. but that's not the right basis to say we're not going to retain the evidence. that can be protected but it needs to be retained first. >> as long as there are statutory provisions in the state where the officers are working where it can be redacted i agree with you. i have to problem with that, but i have responded to three or two depending how you want to count them rapes in progress as a young police officer many years ago. i remember those three cases very vividly. none of those three women wanted to have anyone see them in the conditions that i am my fellow officers found them in. i'm very sensitive to that point. >> agree. but as law enforcement and knowing that you have to prove that case in front of a jury, having that video is significant evidence that would help a conviction. >> wes. >> i don't disagree. i don't want to get too far afield with the body camera.
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it's a little bit of a red herring versus the core issue of deadly force. >> exactly. which is what i want to talk to wes about here. just real quickly david, this guy, the officer is accused of shooting across his partner sitting in the passenger seat. under any circumstances, and you train officers, you would not train officers to do that, would you? >> well, there would always be a very narrow window where one officer could shoot across the body of another. but once again, very narrow. but this doesn't seem in any way, shape, or form to fit that. and so it's one of those things i would never say never. as soon as i heard he shot across his partner, i'm thinking this is just beyond bizarre. >> wes, the shooting is making the front page headlines and stirring outrage. australia and across the world. not surprising considering the circumstances. >> no, not at all. i mean, the reality is you've got two to three fatal police shootings each day. this is the 547th of this year.
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there are certain cases that obviously draw headlines, right? and they begin with people who are unarmed. we very often look to see what is the person armed. obviously not. is it a woman? only one of 24 women shot and killed by police. it's understandable why there's so much attention being given to the case. it is not the only fatal police shooting this year. >> that's it for us tonight. i'll see you right back here tomorrow. early in my career, i chose soccer over college because the opportunity was to good to pass up. but in the back of my mind, it was always that void, i want to earn a degree. i chose snhu because it gives me an opportunity to go back to school in a life that is chaotic. i want to have a strong foundation to attack that next challenge with. to actually commit to it is always the hardest but you always have to push through that. find out what you can achieve at southern new hampshire university, the official education partner of major league soccer.
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