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and that's it for us thank for watching. time to hand things over to don lemon for "cnn tonight." see you tomorrow. a previously undisclosed trump -- putin meeting revealed. how could that happen? this is cnn tonight i'm don lemon. turns out donald trump and vladimir putin wouldn't through talking after their meeting of two hours. they had another one on one conversation at the end of the dinner between themselves. a conversation that lasted nearly an hour. one the house never got around mentioning until now. the only three people who know what was said, donald trump, vladimir putin and a russian translator. what was it all about and why
keep it quiet? plus the gop plan to repeal obamacare down for the count. and trumpcare let healthcare millions of americans rely on let it fail. let's get right to cnn's chief national security correspondent, jim schuitto. nika anderson, and mika philips. jim let's start with that second meeting we're learning about between vladimir putin and president trump at the g20, what happened? >> let's be clear at international sum mits you have pull asides, handshakes and conversations in addition to formal one on ones. in addition to the the putin -- tru slsh /* /- -- putin/trump one on one at the table we're seeing it
now. what's interesting about this is that the other people present at the g20 dinner, u.s. allies, leaders of u.s. allies in europe they're the one that is found it unusual, strange at this dinner for the president to stand up, go sit down to the russian president and speak at that length of time. unusual to them, american allies. and then not disclose it until -- and this is in a series of meetings between people in trump world and russians, not disclose it until challenged by members of the media and others and only today did they confirm this meeting. >> and reason of this there's a record of it. the white house's explanations the only translator with the president, the only one only spoke japanese, so there was one who was with vladimir putin who spoke russian, so that's why there was just a russian translator. there's no american record of this now. >> listen, there's a reason why
you have others present in principle's meetings like this so you as a government have your own independent record, notice of this. you might do this in a business, you certainly do this in the u.s. government. you will often have note takers who are career diplomats or at least translators. so here you have a conversation that we as the more than people have no record of what was said in that conversation, other than what the president will reveal if he reveals anything about it. at this point the white house has not revealed any details about it. at the same time, russia, in addition to putin's account has their own translator to give a record of it which can be used to their advantage if they want. they can release details, color the conversation to russia's advantage. >> here's what the president's tweeted about. fake news story, meeting with putin was sick.
press knew. so the differenner isn't in que, the questions are over the conversation with putin. why didn't we hear about this second conversation with president trump and putin sooner? >> right, the dinner wasn't secret was traveling with the president that night and was sitting outside in tthe hall wh the meeting occurred, that's not the issue here. the president essentially had a one on one with putin that we can't independently verify what was said or what kind of information was exchanged. the only account that we have of this meeting of what the president told his own aids. you know, i think the other issue is that this is a president who has no other kind of diplomatic experience, he has no political experience. and by contrast, vladimir putin is known to be a very very scaled interlockter in a moment
like this. meetings like this he knows exactly how to represent his views to his best advantage. and the president frankly just doesn't have as much experience with that. i think people are looking at this meeting and saying it was putting the united states to quite a disadvantage. in' if the president had wanted to have an exchange with putin, an hour long exchange suggest a much more in-depth conversation, a kind of thing you withouldn't want to do without your secretary, state, translator or at least some other people to protect you in the room. >> i asked him, did you meddle in our election did you med until our election but never did the president talk about this particular exchange that we had. nia i have to ask you, does the white house have any credible when they say this was a brief chat because it was a one-hour
off-the books meeting? >> the short answer is no they don't. the president has a credibility problem broadly. the president is saying thing that don't have any bearing in reality. then when it comes to russia, jim sciutto taked being previously undisclosed meetings and yesterday again here's another undloeds meeting. and we see that with donald trump jr. having to update his clearance forms on a number of occasions to add meetings he's had. we had a sort of misdirection in terms of these meetings happening and then the substance of these meetings changing stories about from this white house about what was said particularly in donald trump jr., paul manafort and jared kushner on the meeting and how many was in there. that's why you hear republicans say is this a white house that at some point will practice what "the wall street journal" call radical transparency when it
comes to russia in particular, put everything out there. the president saying, oh this is a fake news story and other leaders that were there. but really it's americans right, who needs to know what the president is doing and what the substance of these conversations are. that's what he's doing is representing americans. it's one thing for other leaders to be there but what about representation to americans who voted for this president and who this president represents in those meetings. >> and what america is about that's transparency. if we want to know what happened to leaders in their country we would ask their translators, we don't have one to ask in america. the identity of the eighth person now has been -- >> that's right, the previous, previously meeting on this one between the president's son. now we know who the eighth person in the meeting is. he was the vice president at the
aguilar rose firm. this is a russian also gard, his son as well was present at the meeting, a friend of donald trump jr., he studied at the meeting of finance. he is a u.s. citizen that speaks russian but he was tied to a probe very much at the center of this investigation, where does the money lead you in effect. and when you look at the group of people in that room, this was not an insignificant meeting. you have the president's son, the president's son-in-law, jared kushner. you have the president's campaign manager at the time, paul manafort. tom goldstone who we've seen had a previous relationship with the president. russian lawyer well known in washington circles. another russian businessman, well known washington circles for lobbying the chain u.s. sections and now the eighth
person as well as russian translators. >> so, that video we seen in '15, the exclusive video. now this eighth person is there. >> what this speaks to is donald trump's prior relationship with the aguilar roes. aguilar there to the left of that circle and now we have the eighth person present as well. donald trump's a international businessman and met a lot of people in his time, but again this particular video here, followed by another video, it shows these people did not come out of the wood work as it were. they were previous interactions. the significance of those distractions we don't know the extent of it. but donald trump jr.'s characterization of this meeting as people came to us about something we didn't know about
what has fallen, including by an e-mail he himself revealed which was provide damaging information on hillary clinton sources to the russian government. >> is this really happening? >> it is. >> i just have to be -- sitting here listening and watching the video and saying, oh i don't really know this family, i didn't hang out with them, we didn't know the people, i never met with anyone. and then everything comes up to the contrary and then they deny it. i mean is this really -- come on. >> you have a pattern of lack -- >> it's shady. >> now listen, that could go nowhere, we could learn there was no significance to this to the meetings themselves. but there's a pattern of hiding meetings and interactions. the one we learned about today cannot be described as an insignificant meeting it is the leaders of russia and the u.s. who met privately.
>> here's the difference, it is shady, that you're drawing conclusion about collusion that's not it. the excuses are shady. they're not being transparent with the more than people and people who are asking questions. it's shady to say, i don't know someone, i never met them and there's videos of pictures of you in meetings. >> listen, forget what we think, listen to what republican lawmakers are saying. wall street journal editorial page it's many people raising the questions and those are the questions. >> nia let's talk about the healthcare now. here's the president today. >> let obamacare fail it'll be a lot easier. i think we're probably in that position where we'll just let obamacare fail. we're not going to own it i'm not going to own it. the rins are not going to own it. >> so nia, he's saying let obamacare fail but now we
learning donald trump invited all the gop's to the meeting tomorrow. what's going on? >> we'll see if that meeting is a symbol for republicans or at least those effected in the senate bill -- >> is this marchalizing them to at least say nice thing about them? >> possibly. it's going to be hard for this president to get much done in terms of substance in a meeting with 50 other people. this is the work he should have don months ago in terms of reaching out to some of the senators. people who had really issues with the direction of healthcare that was coming out of senate leadership, so you know, i think this might be more symbolism than substance. i think the symbolism also important for republicans who are very much battered and bruised after this set back with healthcare. of course there's -- you know there are always things that
probably will develop on the healthcare front, i don't think this is the end of it such as the president is talking about letting it just fail. i think a lot of republicans are troubled by some of his language. he has said this before, if you remember after the house bill failed. he also said oh, just let it collapse and then the democrats will come running and then he changed his tune. i imagine this talking point which i think he's cynical and insensitive because he's saying, let millions of people lose hurricane season. i imagine the talking points might not tastick around. >> but remember also abbey the three republicans they weren't included in the original workings of this. >> to mia's point there are a lot of senators who have real issues with this bill. it is not just an issue of
optics, it is because they don't think the bill will help their constituents and those senators have been fairly marginalized in crafting the language. i think tomorrow's meeting at the white house is probably what you would expect from a president, he's going to rally them and convey how important this issue is to them. deep down inside when you talk to the hill one of biggest issues is the president is not in a position to mediate some of these disputes because he doesn't understand what's in the bill. he doesn't have an understanding of the policy behind healthcare and that's one of the underlying problems here. it's very difficult for him to twist arms with senators who are steeped in the details, who want to know how this is going to affect fir constituents. until that problem is resolved and someone can resolve the actual policy disputes thing this effort is going to to be --
>> but shouldn't those snaerten have known when he said, oh day one it's beginning to be easy we're going to repeal -- shouldn't the senators say oh this is a warning because he doesn't understand how this process works. >> yeah, he didn't realize how hard this was going to be. healthcare is a long standing issue, former house speaker john bayer tried to worn us a couple months ago when he said it's just not going to happen. it's not entirely the president's fall by the naive they has not worn off as to whether or not this thing is gob to be easy. >> okay you say that because there's a tweet for everything. this is 2013, he says leadership, what ever happens you're responsible. if it doesn't happen, you're responsible. so, he's the leader of the rené party, the buck stops with him. if it didn't happen whose responsible.
any one of you can take that. go. >> yeah he's going to blame democrats, i don't think that's going to work for him permanently. it will be like obama coming in in 2009 saying no i'm going to let the economy fail because bush made certain mistakes on his watch. he didn't do that. at this point, he's the president, his promise was that healthcare would be better in terms of the equal of it. it would be much much cheaper and it would be easy to do. none of that as come to fruition so far so he's -- he's going to pay the political price with everything that goes on with healthcare. >> who knew healthcare could be so hard. i got to run guys. thank you all i appreciate you coming on. one of the democrats the president blames for failure of obamacare, the president's threat to let obamacare is in his words, cynical and sinister.
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by mitch mcconnell's plan. i'm not letting my guard down until we see what we need to see, nats coming to and work together as oppose to the what we're seeing already which is bill being crafted, things laid down behind closed doors without democrats being involved. so those scheming from behind closed doors have to stop. we have to realized there's no democratic or republican way to get this done. there's an american way to get this done. americans are happy with the gains they've med under obamacare but there's improvements that need to happen. we need to get to the point where every american is covered with affordable and quality care. >> speaking of which, i want to get your reaction to president trump saying he wants to let obamacare fail today. doesn't sound like he's interested in working with
democrats so he doesn't own it. what do you think of that? >> that's not only cynical it's sinister. here's a guy that promised consistently that i can fix this, i'm the guy, i'm going to make healthcare for everybody, i'm going to make it affordable and i think the word he used is terrific. he's completely broken that promise. he outsourced the process to people like mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and didn't even try to reach out to one democrat in the senate. didn't call one, didn't call us up to the white house to try to work with us. the great deal maker failed to mick a deal. now he's saying i'm going to imperil 30 million americans. if obamacare fails, that means americans will get hurt badly. you'll see very devastating thing happen. that's not just a cynical way that's violating his promises
that's sinister and evil to plot against americans like that. >> but he places the blame, he says, you know if he does fail and he believes it is, he places the blame right at the foot of democrats. here's what he said earlier. >> it would be nice to have democrat support but really their obstructionists. they have no ideas, no thought process. all they want to do is obstruct government and obstruct period. and in this case think of it, so many good thing, we didn't get one vote and their plan has failed. and by the way, obamacare isn't failing it's failed, it's gone. >> would you work with him? >> well, i mean this is sad. his utterances is bluster, it's sad and a transparent lie. democrats were not invited to the table, not allowed at secret meetings, we had no hearings. he didn't call us up to the white house to listen to our ideas.
and there was tremendous ideas in the democratic and republican party. for him to say obamacare failed, ask those people who has preexisting condition who didn't have coverage have it. ask those folks who saw personal bankruptcy get cut in half in america. ask the folks that would have been bankrupt by medical bills but aren't because of obamacare. this is a guy making up lies. this is something everybody should really worry about right now, trump is trying to kill baem carry, he's trying to sabotage obamacare but threatening not to enforce the original mandate. threatening not to make the research for cost shell available. and he's trying to stop the advertising for people who are sick to enroll -- >> that's affecting center insurers, because of instable
they don ju't want to sign on. >> now since donald trump has asserted all the insecurity into the market police you see a lot of insurers are racking up premiums because they will tell you, majority of this is because of the the uncertainty presented by the trump administration or getting out of the markets all together. >> can i ask you this, let's talk about democrats being obstructionist. "the washington post" shows that democratic party stands against donald trump instead of standing for something. do you think democrats need a better message, do they have better work today? do you guys have better work to do? >> the messages might be -- but the message is important. you have democrats who put
forward legislation to lower prescription drug costs. it's a good piece of legislation it should get republicans support. we put forth ideas to fix obamacare. i can go through the great ideas that i personally put forth. i put forth with many of my colleagues, and i know they're ideas that are favorable to republicans on the merits. >> why you have you, i want to talk about russia. there's this new information now about an eighth person confirmed at this trump tower meeting with donald trump jr., jared kushner and paul manafort. he's a russian development working for a firm. what questions do you have about the meeting and the people involved? >> before we get to the question, let's understand with clarity what this is. these were people who are russian contacts.
it's plain in the e-mail from the title of the e-mail to the contexts, they were offering the opportunity to collude with russia, to gain advantage in a domestic election. i've talked to colleagues on both sides of the aisle, i even found one person that said just on the merits, on the face of that e-mail they would have not only not gone to that meeting but they would have done the patriotic thing which is turn that over to the fbi because it's clear evidence that a foreign power was trying to meddling into our elections. instead of that, manafort, kushner and donald trump jr., literally the word was used, happy, they were happy to go to such a meeting to seek to collude with a foreign power to meddle in our election. that's illegal. >> we're also learning that president trump and vladimir putin had a second predisclosed conversation at the g20 summit.
it was a social dinner, the two did not go to a separate room for their conversation. the warehouse released a statement saying it's not normal it is part of president's duties to interact with a world leader. do they have a point to that? what do they think of that? >> yeah, under certain circumstances a president should be given all latitude to hold up his oath and represent our country. if president bush or president obama did these thing i don't think they would raise any questions. the reason to be skeptical of this is because our nation was attacked by vladimir putin who was seeking to undermined our electoral process and the president is denying that happened. and under this web where his son donald trump jr., literally entered into a meeting hoping to
co-include with that modern power. >> so on the domestic issue you unveiled a new bill with senator lauren. it called the -- dignity for women act. it's a form of how the prison system treat incarcerated women. this administration, the attorney general jeff sessions in particular is taking a law and order approach to many criminal justice questions. do you think the president will sign this bill if it got to his desk? >> well first of all thank you for bringing that up. we as a country need to own up to the crises we have in our criminal justice system. the faster growing group that are incarcerated are women. 1/3 of the women are incarcerated overwhelmingingly. more of them are submitted to
sexual trauma. 77% of them are victims of partner violence. we put them in environments where we subject them to indignities that are unacceptable. where people should be helped and healed instead of getting hurt. and most of these women are parents, women of children. we put up obstacles for these women to maintain bonds so these children don't fall under crises. i'm proud of the bipartisan efforts. we have attorney general who is a grow back to an era in our country whose policies fly in the face of republicans governors who are lowers prison populations and lowering crime. i drew myself in front of train when i saw he was moving toward the u.s. attorney position
because he is a danger to america. his policies, from his immigration policies, big city chief from around the country undermined people coming forward with information about serious crimes. to the way he's talking about criminal justice which will cost americans so much more money and not make us safer. he's dangerous. >> i appreciate your time. up next president trump says he'll just let obamacare fail on its own. we're going to fact check the president's claims next.
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now, that the republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare and dead, trump says he's happy to let the law collapse on its own. the fact is baobamacare is stil the law of the land. so what happens now? >> obamacare isn't failing it's fail it's gone. >> reporter: with unshakeable determination to overturn the carry act with partying majority if the house and senate, the president hoped for a last minute charge to victory. instead he's forced into retreat. >> we'll let obamacare fail and the democrats are going to come to us and say how do we fix it. >> reporter: what happened? after weeks of conservators claimsing the act was too timid moderates proved it was too tough especially when the budge proofed 22 million americans can lose coverage urchd the trump
plan. >> for millions of people out there you're talking about their health insurance and for many it's a matter of life and death. >> reporter: it's a huge stroke of foreign for sflats who are embracing for barack obama signature legislation to the decimated, even as he tried to rally them on his way out of office. >> never in the america history has the uninsured rate been lower than it is today. never. >> reporter: obamacare still has significant problem ls. healthcare premiums are not going up as fast as they were but despite democratic promises to the contrary they are still rising for everyone. choice is an issue too, with big name insurers pulling out of some change exchanges. next year some states are dedicated to having no obamacare providers. obamacare is exceeding in a pulmonary of ways too, 20
million people who did not have health insurance before the law now do. people are preexisting conditions have more protection and even though many republicans believe the system is economically doomed. >> the desk file of obamacare continues. >> reporter: in a new report the kizer foundation has found evidence that the individual mark has been stabilizing and insurers regaining profitability. that's a fancy way of saying not only is the program holding on despite its flaws, but unless republicans nudge it towards insolvency their wait for obamacare collapse could be a long one. don. >> thank you i appreciate that. i want to bring in the ceo of blue cross which offers health insurance under the obamacare exchanges. so good to have you on. you heard the fact check that it's not collapsing on his own way. you cover 140,000 people in the
philadelphia area. when you hear the president say, let obamacare fail, i know you don't like to get political but is this a callus approach to healthcare that many people are being provided? >> don, i'd like to say as we look at independence health group and blue cross we see ourselves that cover a lot of people. and we've embraced the exchanges from the beginning. wefbl healthcare is not democratic or republican it's a right for people to have. over the first three years of obamacare the affordable care act we've been able to stay in the marketplace. we'd like to stay in it and so whether that's a repeal and replace that is effective. whether it's if i canning the affordable care act we think it's important 10 million americans can have coverage. >> do you think it's fix bl?
the sflats don't want to repeal and replace they want to fix what's wrong with obamacare? >> we had senators from pennsylvania, one democratic one republican. if you sit down with beth of them they have a lot of shared vision about covering our members, making it more efficient and affordable. if we can focus on the thing that works doesn't matter what we call it. whether we call it repeal, replace fix. >> obamacare, trumpcare, america care. >> exactly. >> you said the president is outright wrong when he says obamacare is in a death spiral. explain that? >> well, i didn't say that. what i'm saying is that the -- when you think about what we have, let's not foxx on a partisan approach to this, let's focus on a bipartisan approach, some of that will include fixing the things making obamacare and affordable care act
unsustainable. and that includes the sup cities that will keep people covered, whether it's shift to a tax credit program. let's just get it right. >> you're engine insurer i think you say of the last resort. would you say we're in the last resort now or no? >> well, i would say when you think about it the vast majority of americans are covered through traditional employer base system or through medicare or through medicaid. that's the fast majority. we're talking about 6% of the population. the other 3 in effect are working. they can be approved. let's focus on the thing that make coverage available to the vast majority of americans who haven't had it in the past. >> so, the last offer was to repeal it without replacing it. so if it is repealed without replacing it, without offering anything in return, what does that mean for people who depend on this? because people ask me what does this mean for me if they do
that. >> right. so let's look -- you got a part son. you got to look at the expansion of medicaid. for immediate future that would not be impacted. for the exchanges, what i've heard -- con nell for example who's been a by the way ceacon try to find a solution, so i would say to our members, to folks that you talk to, listen, stay put. we frmly believe your coverage will be there for 2018, if the federal government, congress and president coming to, fund the subsidies during an interim period of time when we look at how we can fix the program long-term. >> allow can make ged insurance if it's not made available through their customemployer? would it be more expensive? >> i think that's a ability. when you look at the span of
medicare up to 110% in poverty there's a good chance for people to get covered whose not. the poor or working class with subsidies -- we got to work collectively through valued based systems when we focus on hospitals with outcomes. >> what does that mean for preexisting conditions? would it matter if you're sick already if you'rest it's not provided by your employer? >> preexisting conditions should not be a barometer of whether someone should get coverage or not. the university of pennsylvania we signed a five year contract where because we're working together they are guarantying they'll pay for any readmission up to 30 days. that's about $18 million in savings. you think in the grand scheme of thing it's not a lot. when you ex strap late that across the country to every
health systems it's billions of over a period of time. >> it can be fixed we just have to work together. >> regardless of what you call it don. >> thank you appreciate it. coming up, does president trump really wants to let one of his biggest campaign promises fail as he marked his first six months in office? fresh soaps. and of course, tripadvisor's freshest, lowest prices. so if you're anything like me... ...you'll want to check tripadvisor. we now instantly compare prices from over 200 booking sites... ...to find you the lowest price... ...on the hotel you want. go on, try something fresh. tripadvisor. the latest reviews. the lowest prices.
this week president trump marks his first six months in office, and we're taking a closer look at his promises and where we stand now. one of hi top campaign promises to repeal and replace obamacare, dead tonight. here to discuss jason candor and general sake, and scott jennings. so good to have all of you on. thank you so much. we're now six months into this presidency, he came into office determined to undo president obama's legacy and today obama's signature achievement that the president said he'd repeal immediately. still the law of land. what does this mean for this president now? >> i think one of the things it taught us is that there has never been a shared republican vision for what the replacement is going to look like. it's not enough to say we're
going to undo obamacare you have to replace it with something. the worry that i have as a republican is this issue is going to pop up in tax reform and other areas where it's not just enough to say you're against something, you alwaso he to be for something. to be for something you feed president leadership. and what this battle teaches us is there isn't a great amount of agreement within the republican tent about what needs to happen. >> generjen, here's what donaldp said about baobamacare, watch this. >> real change begins immediately with the repealing and replacing of the disaster known as obamacare. get rid of obamacare it's going to be gone terminated. obamacare is a disaster. we're going to repeal and replace the horror known as obamacare. i will repeal and replace
obamacare. you're going to have such great healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost and it's going to be so easy. >> so jen, it's beginning to be so easy. you worked in the obama white house, do you think the president understood what he was promising on the campaign trail? >> no clearly not. i think you were making the point there that he promised quite a few times to repeal it. but taking something away from people, their access to healthcare, their safety net and making sure they won't be discriminated against for having preexisting conditions. healthcare is rarely easy politics. getting policy ledgislation don is difficult. there's a lot of policies on how to get healthcare and tax reform done and the problem they have is they're running out of time in the legislative calendar
right now. >> scott, barack obama has been donald trump's nemesis for quite a while. he was the biggest propro-mott -- of the birth move. let's watch and we'll discuss. >> donald trump, is here tonight. now, i know that he's taken some flak lately but no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than donald, that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. like, did we fake the moon landing. what really happened in roswell. and where are biggy and thank
you pack. >> a lot of people say that -- the president denies that. how personal is this undoing of the obama legacy for donald so the president was well within his right to clap back that night. i think a lot of what barack obama did as president fuelled every republican candidacy for the president because you couldn't win without it. if you were running for president in the republican primary you would have been left behind immediately and donald trump has proven to have political instincts and he knew if you don't want to unravel regulations or obamacare or undue a legacy that voters disapprove of you couldn't make it in the primary. it's rooted in the fact that the republicans wanted to see these
policies rolled back. >> they lost their majority in the house and after leaving office, president obama talked about the choices made back then. here he is in may. >> they had a chance to insure millions and prevent untold suffering and worry and bankruptcy and even death but this same vote would likely cost them their knew seats, perhaps, and their political careers. and these men and women did the right thing. because of that vote 20 million people got health insurance that didn't have it before and most of them did lose their seats. >> do you think that republicans can day pay the same price due to inaction? >> something stands out to me about that what you don't see
president obama talking about is how he won. that's not what concerns him. what he is concerned with is 20 million people have health insurance. the way forward is to focus on more people have health insurance and you deliver a quality product. but president trump is saying today that he wants to continue to work to undermine it. he refers to it as letting it fail. he wants to win the political argument. after he is president and gives a speech he will talk about the political arguments he won but that won't help the american people and the american people picked up on the fact he is more concerned with how it looks for him than how it turns out for them. >> he talked about the lawmakers around him, right, the lawmakers who supported the bill and who lost their jobs and he didn't marginalize them. they stepped up -- >> he didn't call them losers or
anything. >> i hadn't thought about that before. the health care bill that was signed into law march 23rd, 2010, not the bill that president obama and nancy pelosi wanted. they had to give up a lot. if president trump and the republican party were willing to compromise do you think that obamacare would be repealed and replaced already? >> the question is compromise with who? what we learned in the past few weeks is that health care negotiations proceeded is the republicans needed to figure out how to compromise amongst themselves. you had the moderates who thought the bill was too conservative and the conservatives who thought it was too liberal and you have a coalition that can't agree amongst themselves much forward bring something forward to compromise with the democrats. when you have complex policy you need leadership to make it happen. that was the lesson in 2010 with
the obama presidency and with daud frank during the obama presidency. until the president takes an active leadership role and drives the agenda and says these are the goal posts and the thing that this reform has to accomplish, it's impossible to get anything complex done. the republicans learned that lesson the hard way in the past few weeks and i hope they took it to heart. >> do you think that's what he is trying to do tomorrow? is it too little, too late? >> i would love it if that is what the president is trying to do. unfortunately i think that health care reform is probably dead. i don't see us reviving this effort in a successful way. but there is a lot more to accomplish in the next couple years. >> i want to ask you about the house and senate under republican control. but president trump said they need more victories next year since the democrats are
obstructionists. you know there is a tweet for everything. he tweeted this, obama's complaints about republicans stopping his agenda are b.s. he can never take responsibility. do these two have a lot in common that maybe these president isn't realizing? >> the reality is when you control the government and the republicans do, the white house, the senate, the house, you own the problems, you own the responsibility to govern and the voters last november didn't vote for incrementalism they voted for sweeping change. if they wanted to keep doing what they were doing they would have voted for hillary. they were tired of six of the last eight years of the obama administration. they want things to happen. if republicans don't deliver wins on obamacare, tax reform, job creation they are going to punish the republicans. the voters are restless and want change. >> i need you to weigh in here.
that tweet in 2012, obama was dealing with a republican house then. the fact now, what do you make of the fact that blocking the president today that was coming from his own party? >> look, i think something j.d. touched on before is an important point to raise here again here which is the reason that obama got health care through is not just because democrats controlled the house and the senate, nancy pelosi and harry reid deserve a ton of credit. but barack obama got a twinkle in his eye when he talked about health care. he believed it was something that needed to be changed in the country and chaired about it deeply. i don't know what trump cares about deeply. but this is something he didn't seem to care about and didn't seem to want to put his political capital in even if it's just 38% of the country. and i think that was a real problem more than anything else. >> i'm out of time. coming up, a bride to be shot to death by a police officer outside her own home.
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