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you a u.s. citizen? yes, no. did you vote in the 2008 election? yes or no. they sample several thousand people and draw a conclusion from a sample. you're right. experts will always dispute whether that sample is good enough to draw conclusions. this commission is going to be looking at real figures, real numbers, real voter roles, real cases, not just doing surveys. that's the difference. there's never been a nationwide commission to look at real cases of voter fraud, look at real instances. the pew sound dags sfoundations colluded there's more than 1.8 deceased people on the voter roles. they acknowledge that's probably a lowest matw estimate. wouldn't it be better to not just have an estimate but present real numbers? we're talking about presenting numbers to the american people so they can decide. we can come back and have a discussion a year from now. you can say i draw different conclusions than you did.
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that's fine. let's at least put some numbers on the table and there's so much debate about this issue. why wouldn't we want more facts on the table. >> i don't knows there any debate about whether 3 million people voted illegally -- that's nothing about propaganda. >> no, voter fraud. >> there's not a lot of debate over it because there's no factual basis for saying there's a problem with legal voting in this country it. except one person, named president of the united states, who said that's why he lost. >> i pointed to 128 cases in kansas. there's a case in north kansas city, 2010, primary election. won by one vote by a state legislative seat, rizzo versus mr. royster. it was alleged more than 50 somali nationals voted in that
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election. >> i'm familiar with the case. >> there are many cases where a close election can be swung by a few fraudulent votes. as someone charged with this and as an american citizen, why wouldn't we want to minimize the chances of an election being stolen or our vote being canceled by an illegal vote. >> we'll see what the commission comes up with. i'm just saying there's bigger concerns than illegal voting that this commission could be looking at like russian interference. we'll see what you can come up. >> all right. take care. >> kris kobach, thank you very much. there's a lot of news including the latest in the battle over healthcare. is there a way forward to make sure that your healthcare is safe? let's get after it. ♪ . the white house says president trump had a second undisclosed conversation with vladimir putin. >> what the hell is donald
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trump's obsession with vladimir putin? why won't he be straightforward about it? >> it's extreme for us to make this into a conspiracy. >> we're also learning the identity of the eighth person in don junior's trump tower meeting. >> it's disturbing it's taken us this long for this information to come out. >> just let obamacare fail. >> that's heartless. we're talking about real people here. >> i regret the effort to repeal and immediately replace will not be successful. >> this is a real mitch mcconcc mcconnell failure. >> this is "new day." >> it's wednesday, july 19th, 8:00 in the east. up first, the white house down playing reports that at the g20 summit mr. trump and vladimir putin had a second undisclosed meeting. the president reportedly had an hour-long conversation with the adversary without any american
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officials present and no official record of what they discussed. >> in just hours president trump is going to host all 52 republican senators for lunch at the white house this comes after the president said he wants to "let obamacare fail." after the senate health plans humiliating defeat. we have it all covered for you. let's begin with cnn's joe johns live at the white house. joe? >> good morning. that first meeting, that two-hour meeting between president trump and vladimir putin caught the attention of the world. and now we know it wasn't the only time the two men spoke face-to-face. the white house confirming a second encounter at the g20 after reports of it surfaced in the news media. president trump lashing out calling coverage of his believe u previously undisclosed second meeting with vladimir putin sick and alleging it is made to look
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sinister. an official tells cnn that the sideline meeting after dinner lasted nearly an hour and no other u.s. officials were present. ignoring protocol, the president relied on a russian translator leaving the u.s. with no official record of their conversation. the white house downplaying the second encounter asserting, the insinuation that the white house tried to hide a second meeting is false, malicious and absurd. this new revelation the latest in a string of undisclosed meetings between trump associates and russians. >> this kind of private meeting is virtually unprecedented in the diplomatic world. there seems to be a pattern of reckless or willful concealment of contacts with the russians. >> reporter: this meeting coming to light as cnn learns new details about the eighth person in attendance at the june 2016 meeting where top trump aides hope to get damaging information
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about hillary clinton from the russian government. that man ike kaveladze seen behind the president in this exclusive video obtained by cnn is a senior president of a company run by alex argalav who has ties to putin. >> there was absolutely no conversation between argalav and the russian government and the hillary campaign ever. it didn't happen. >> reporter: argalav believed he was attending the meeting for a russian lawyer, despite the fact they brought a translator with her. ike kaveladze was brought for charges of money laundering, on behalf of russian brokers, but he was not charged. >> this individual has had a colorful past, if not criminal. it's strange to me that this meeting that was supposed to be
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originally related as three or four people about russian adoptions. >> reporter: also this morning cnn has confirmed that russian lawyer who met with donald trump junior last year has offered to testify in front of the senate to clear up what she calls hysteria over the issue. senator dianne feinstein of california has told cnn that the special counsel rob buert muell has given the green light for two witnesses to testify in front of the senate judiciary committee, that would be donald trump jr. and paul manafort. though there's no clear note on exactly when that will happen. back to you. >> thank you very much, joe. let's bring in our panel to dits cu discuss this. we have david gregory, ana
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palmer, and chris cillizza. you say what trump is doing with this second meeting is a bait and switch. how is it it's been more than ten days and in this age of all information all the time we did not know that he had this possibly hour-long meeting with vladimir putin. >> one, because the white house didn't disclose it. second, because alisyn, as you know, all information all the time means you miss some things. it's just hard to see everything that is out there. but i do think what you're seeing here is classic donald trump misdirection. taking a story which is the white house donald trump met with the russian president with no other -- or huddled with or had a sidebar with -- choose your word -- at the g20 summit with no u.s. translate every or other u.s. official present.
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we didn't know about it for ten days, and now donald trump is trying to turn it into a media story, that the media is sick and we're twisting things around. it's not a media story. it's about a story about a meeting we didn't know about prior with a foreign adversary that we know through our intelligence agencies meddled in the 2016 election. the fact that the media is reporting on it is what we do. the fact that donald trump is changing the subject will work for a certain segment of people but that doesn't change the facts. the facts are clear. >> what is fueling it is the unknown. why do we care about the meeting with putin? because there's an odd softness to the disposition of the united states versus a known government agent in vladimir putin. we just had the former head of government ethics say that
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trump's lawyer didn't want the president to sign his financial disclosure forms certifying that it was accurate. can you believe that? with these questions about what financing does he have from any russian banks? why did they want to seek out his son to talk about the money? that's what the meeting was about. >> we don't know what the financial relationship is between donald trump and his business and the russian government. >> we don't know. wa not only did the president not want to sign t eventually he did sign t it, but even after reviewing it, they didn't know. >> were there loans. is he leveraged by the russians in terms of loans. we don't know that. put it back into the realm of substantive pollity. it's dangerous to go into a meeting with anned a ver tear
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wi an adversary, it's suspicious when the president appears to be coddling vladimir putin as he did as a candidate and now president. and the thin nature of his protest with regard to interference in the election amounts to i asked him if he did it, he denied it twice. i brought it up a second time. what am i going to do? get into a fist fight? from from a substantive point of view -- i covered the white house. you want to know what the president is doing. he was on air force one holding fort about everything he did, and didn't say we had a separate conversation. what did you talk about? be accountable. there's no question he wants to develop and use personal chemistry in relationships. this is not leader of montenegro. this is vladimir putin. this is a dangerous game he's playing. he's not telling us about it. >> world leaders at the g20
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found this to be peculiar between president trump and president putin. the "new york times" said the dinner conversation caught the attention of other leaders around the room and they remarked privately on the odd spectacle of an american presidential seemingly to single out the russian leader of a special attention at a summit meeting that included some of the united states' staunchest, oldest allies what is the bigger picture in terms of where this relationship, transparency and russian threads are. >> i think this is another example of president trump taking a different tact than predecessors. you have a lot of allies concerned about it. there's a lot of geopolitical things happening now. the u.s. will need other foreign leaders on its side. if they think donald trump is buddying up to putin, that's not a good thing for those relationships to move forward. >> look, just look at the
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checklist, chris, of how this all started. do you want to release your taxes? no. why? because i'm under audit. how about your financial disclosure? it's all there. it isn't all there. now we know that his lawyer didn't want him to sign the disclosure form certifying it was accurate. we know that at least two of the people at this meeting with donald jr. had some connections to activity that is a little dangerous, right? >> yep. this eighth person now identified as someone that former senator carl levin says they were looking at for money moving through thousands of shell corporations over a billion dollars. why were they targeting him? that's how we got to this. the lack of disclosure, lack of transparency and the outright lying about what did happen. >> that's right. context, context, context. this sidebar with putin didn't happen in a vacuum. there's been a lot here. most eventually the revelations about the donald trump junior meeting in the summer of 2016.
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so, this is not an isolated incident. the other thing from a human nature perspective what donald trump is essentially doing is he has a box. he says nothing to see. this box is not important. but he always keeps it with him. people are like what's in the box? nothing. nothing to see anything in here. box. he always has it with him. this is the problem. at some point, you have to open the box and say see, there's nothing in it. you can't say take my word pore it. everything in my financial records are great. perfect. david gregory makes the right point, you can't continue to say, oh, everything is ninfine. take my word for it, take my word for it, when your word has not been borne out to be right. >> i think what trump wants to do is pull off some coup with putin. some agreement to break new ground. all you have to do is look back at the past two presidents who actually used all the expertise
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surrounding them unlike trump, they were confounded by putin as well. you have to be careful and you have to have some distance from this leader to faithfully formulate u.s. policy towards him. >> very quickly, his supporters, the white house point to the syrian cease-fire as success. this is what happens when you speak to putin. you can actually come together with some agreement that works for the u.s. >> i think they see this as kind of him doing business the trump way. they defend is aggressively. the problem is that oftentimes what happens is what he says didn't happen, and then the story changes five times later. it's hard to have credibility when they go to the press and they say there isn't anything happening here. that's the biggest problem, i think. >> the nature of what's happening on the ground in syria is also soft information. >> panel, thank you very much. president trump trying to turn the page on healthcare. he's inviting all 52 senate republicans to the white house
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for lunch today. the president raising eyebrows after saying he should just let obamacare fail. suzanne malveaux just spoke with the senator at the center of this debate. she's live on capitol hill. give us the latest. >> good morning. just spoke to senator rand paul of kentucky, one of the conse e conservatives who has been a holdout in this saying it does not go far enough in repealing obamacare because of taxes, subsidies and regulations intact. he believes mitch mcconnell's call for repealing obama care and waiting for replacement is a good one, at least a partial victory for conservatives who have been calling for a clean repeal of this. but they voted back in january 51 out of 52 republicans said yes to that bill but it ultimately failed. i pressed him on this he said maybe it will take more time force them to change their minds. four republican senators are dead set against this. senator paul saying perhaps there will be a political cost.
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>> i think the vote will at least make them take a position right now people are taking a position without a vote. a vote sometimes makes it more serious. i think if you were for repealing obamacare and are no longer for it, people in your state deserve to know that. >> underscores the incredible division here, the philosophical differences within the party itself that this is not likely to change over the weekend. four republican senators saying they won't move that particular part of the legislation forward. >> thank you very much. here's a question for you, what happens if president trump gets his way? will obamacare fail? that's an important premise. we'll ask a republican governor next. people would stare.
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>> well, that's hard to say. that's a little bit of a process question. we've been pushing they listen to the governors, because we have the greatest level of experience and what's happening in our states, we've encouraged them for a number of months to make some changes in the senate bill, many of them were adopted, but in the end it was hard to bring people together. the message that i have is they need to continue their path to reform and not give up. >> let's talk about that. because it seems as though certainly the president is ready to wash his hands of this. it seems he's reached a dead end. let me play for you what president trump said about this yesterday. >> we'll just let obamacare fail. we won't own it. i'm not going to own it. i can tell you the republicans are not going to own it. >> is that the answer? wash his hands of it and let obamacare do whatever obamacare
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is going to do and walk away? >> the people always hold political leaders account nl. accountable. when we see a process not working well, they expect us to do something about it. it's hard for us to understand the complexities, the vote, why people can't come together on this, but you have to figure out a way to do it. it's not sufficient to say we're going to wash our , we have to engage in it. we will continue ta pahat path reforming that we already started on. we don't want to make the medicaid expansion program an entitlement program, we want to make it a means and a safety net. >> i know you're looking for a work requirement for medicaid. but back to the president.
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what would you say to the president? if you think it's not satisfactory to let it fail, and to leave people on the hook, why is the president using that tactic? >> i think he's trying to drive the message that he's frustrated that senate was not able to come together on this. i'll let him speak to that more importantly it's the senate. and this is where i hope they do not give up. that they might have to let the dust settle here. but if there's ten things we want to do, and you can bring four things to accomplish and reach consensus on it, let's reach for those four things. we have a cost problem for the federal government. we have an access of insurability in multiple states, you can't let this continue. you have to work together. i'm hopeful they will do that. >> you want to see them fix
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obamacare rather than the vote they're having early next week to repeal it. >> well, i always advocated that you need to repeal it because it's a bad system. let's start over. but if you can't get anything done, then obviously you have to reform it because it's not -- it's too costly. again, there's not enough access. so whatever you have got to do to set up a process that you can get the votes to change the status quo, that's what governing is about. i applaud our senators that have worked hard for good changes. but it fell apart on the left and right. hopefully they'll get back to the table and not give up like in arkansas. we'll continue to work on this. many of the states, if you don't do anything, the states will continue to ask for waivers on the exchange, waivers from the federal government to innovate in the states. that's okay. but there's a better solution to have a national fix.
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that's what congress needs to address while we continue to look at the states as to what works for our citizens. >> just so i understand, you would be in favor of the vote early next week repealing it with no plan in place? >> no i have always said you need to have a direction as to where we're going. i want to be able to know we don't need to create more uncertainty. if they do a vote to repeal it, that's a good thing as long as there's a path to get to replacement that people have confidence in. right now i've said that we shouldn't go anywhere without a replacement plan because there's too much uncertainty in our healthcare system. and we have to create some certainty and confidence in where we're going. >> understood, governor asa hutchinson, thank you for your perspective. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you.
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>> what is the way forward? president trump is meeting with all of the republican senators today to kind of figure out where their heads are and what comes next. but all of this effort for policy has a cloud over it. and that's the russia investigation. in fact the white house is defending a second undisclosed meeting with the president and vladimir putin that took place at a g20 dinner. what does that mean this meeting? and what is the way forward for the democrats on healthcare? we have a member of the senate intel committee, a democrat senator next.
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. it turns out president trump met a second time with russian president vladimir putin. there was no u.s. official with him. there was no record of what they discussed in this reportedly hour-long conversation at a g20 dinner? is that okay? what's the way forward on healthcare? are the democrats in control as president trump suggests? let's discuss with democratic senator and former governor of west virginia, joe manchin. he's a member of the senate intel committee.
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senator, always good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> the second meeting with putin, we didn't know about it for a number of days. do you have concerns about this meeting? >> absolutely. it's very concerning. and it's something that we should know about. to go into it so-called naked without an interpreter from our side is troubling. it's a concern. it most certainly is. you know this process will continue. robert mueller is going to do his investigation on everything. and i think we all have a bipartisan respect for robert mueller and doing his job. we ought to see what his findings are. >> do you have a larger concern about transparency and the simple fact of unknown when it comes to either president trump or the people around him and any potential conflicts of interests or financial obligations to
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russian-sourced money? >> let's talk about transparency first. transparency in the public sector is much different than in the private sector. when you're in the public sector you have to gain the trust of con state whconstituents, those and against you. in a transparent way it makes it easier to respected that. that's what you build up in the public trust. that's what is missing. that's what we need to be working on. all of us have to be cognizant of that. i will do everything i can to make sure everything we do is in the open. and on the intelligence committee there's certain things we can't have open meetings on because there's certain people we want to protect. >> what do you make of the fact that the former head of government ethics says that trump's lawyer didn't want him to sign his disclosure form certifying it was accurate and we know people in this meeting with don jr., one of them was looked at by members of the
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senate for moving money, over $1 billion into different corporations, and they seemed at a best read to want to work don jr. about putin's money being tied up in sanctions. all of these things, do they matter or is it just smoke? >> they matter. >> carl levin is one of the most respected people. when carl was here, that was his thing. he dug into tshit, he had staff working on it, he was concerned about this dark money moving around and who was responsibility and who was benefiting. that is credible what carl is telling you. all this other stuff here, again, this is in robert mueller's court. i, looking forward like every other intel committee member of bringing all the people of interest before us so we know what's going on and we can hear
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from them. they have a right to tell their story. our intelligence committee is working diligently putting all the pieces of the puzzle together so we have a clear picture when they do come before us. >> you had a long time, you found no collusion, cut it out, this is all politics. this is not a witch hunt. i've seen witch hunts. i saw the bengahzi witch hunt. you get a different feeling if you sit in a room on whether people are trying to find answers or just accuse. every meeting i've been in, democrats, republicans, or a combination of both of news a bipartisan way, nobody is accusing anybody. we just want the facts. they're not out there slinging mud. it won't happen. but we will get to the facts. the facts will give you the decisions that need to be made. >> another big policy consideration going on in washington, d.c., healthcare. >> yeah. >> the president meeting with
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the republicans today. he sutd edsuggested yesterday ty should let obamacare fail on its own and put it on your lap, the democrats to come to him and beg to save it. >> i don't think that's an answer we agree on. it's something i don't subscribe to. i was here to do a job. i'm not blaming anybody how i got to where i got to or things handed to me. i have to fix problems. as a former governor that's what we did. a group of us met formally, bipartisan, just to talk. that hasn't happened since this has been going on for how many months now? we wanted to see if there's a pathway forward. we all believe there should be an orderly process. regular order. we go through the procession of the committees. the committees have the hearings, amendments are placed, we discuss the disagreements, we come to agreement and cohesion where we can, and that process has never been allowed to
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happen. maybe with the votes and the defeat of the republican's plan to just repeal, maybe now we can come together and move forward. that's what we're hoping for. >> the president seems to be washing his hands of all of you down here. he just tweeted i'll be having lunch at the white house today with republican senators concerning healthcare. they must keep their promise to america what about the president's promise to america? >> the only thing i would say, the promise to west virginia, he won it by a tremendous amount, by 43% he won the state of west virginia. that was mostly democrats voting for him. democrats upset with the previous administration that felt that washington left them behind, didn't care. i know exactly. coming from west virginia, born and raised in west virginia, these are the greatest people on earth. they'll do anything. they work hard. they'll give you all they have but they want government to be their partner. they thought government left them. now every demographic of my state of west virginia, and you know my state, they're hit, whether they're elderly,
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pre-existing conditions, the poor, the young, everybody. oip yo opioid addiction, they'll be all devastated by this piece of legislation that's repealing. >> it goes to the fact premise that the aca is dying. it's in a death spiral. it will fail. the numbers don't support that. it's got trouble, you guys have to make fixes to it. but the idea that it's dying, that's disingenuous, is it not. >> most certainly. we know it's had problems. we always identified that. i was not there when they passed it in 2010. i was head of the governor's association for a period of time. we were talking about this. i said i think that mandate that certain types of insurance, certain types of coverage, pay this or pay a fine, that will be a tough pill for west virginians to swallow. they went ahead with it. the private market needs to be saved. no one made that effort to save
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the private market. on the other hand we gave 20 million people, almost 180,000 west virginians the greatest wealth they could have, healthcare. we never gave them one word of instruction on how to use it i knows there great savings, but to be callous to say we'll throw you off because we have to reduce the cost, don't give the taxes back right now until we stabilize the healthcare markets. then make sure people are earning their way to have a good healthcare, to live a quality of life. give them a chance. don't throw them out. that's all we've said. we can come to some agreements here. >> we look forward to that. let us know how we can report and promote the conversation among bipartisan lawmakers to make positive changes for the american people. >> we'll definitely keep you informed. thank you. >> a tropical storm is making waves on twitter. it's not what you think. jeanne moos explains next.
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in krcaribbean and getting the attention of americans. it's not the wind or rain that's getting the attention, it's the name. >> reporter: hold on to your hat. >> it's tropical storm don. >> here is tropical storm don. pretty small. >> small? small and not organized? forecast to degenerate? is that any way to talk about don? people have been reading ainto the caribbean storm that shares the president's name. the national weather service released its first picture of tropical storm don, warning tropical storm don turned into a category one covfefe. of course don the storm has no connection to donald the president. >> the world meteorological
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organization comes up with the names. these are decided years and years before the storms actually happen. >> reporter: but when this don coincided with this donald, trump critics flipped their wigs. tropical storm don is expected to be the first storm in u.s. history to cause widespread damage in every state of the union. actually the storm's prognosis is poor. will dissipate within 72 hours, low energy, sad. but there's a freakier coincidence. in the forecast. >> tropical storm hillary. hillary and don. >> reporter: we kid you not. while tropical storm don is weakening in the atlantic. >> hillary is gaining momentum in the traffic. >> reporter: the name is officially bestowed once the tropical depression becomes a tropical storm. hillary was next on the official list of pacific storms. tweeted one critic, well, the good news is that tropical storm
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hillary has no chance of hitting the white house. who could have imagined these two could coincide, two forces of nature and a forecast of cloudy with a chance of collusion. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> the depression is changing into a storm. the five stages of grief of hillary. her depression is change nothing a storm now. >> was interesting. there was a push back that you skipped letters to make this happen, then we all had to learn that the nomen claming is diffe the east than the west. we just got lucky this time. we're learning new details about the eighth person in the meeting with donald trump jr. and what we're learning is not good. we'll talk to a former member of the house intel committee about why that is next.
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the cloud of russia continues to grip the trump administration. the white house failed to disclose a second meeting that president trump had with russian president vladimir putin without any u.s. aides or u.s. officials or any record of what these two men discussed. joining us now is former republican congressman mike rogers, chair of the house intelligence committee. good morning, mike. >> good morning.
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how are you guys? >> doing well. help us understand. should president trump have had this meeting? it was in public at the g20, a dinner hosted by angela merkel. there was no u.s. translator. the russian translator did it in between president putin and president trump. so no official document from the u.s. side on this hour-long meeting. >> it's unconventional. unconventional doesn't mean wrong or criminal. the president can do this if he wants. my caution to the president would be i wouldn't go into this meeting lightly. "a," you have a translate their is not american, doesn't have american loyalties or loyalties to the president. number two, you want to have some record of any follow-up that may come out of this conversation or things that the president putin might say that might be valuable to decisions that the united states either government or maybe even intelligence services may want to look into later. all of that was a missed
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opportunity to me. then to do it with all of the scrutiny, all of this -- everybody running around looking for any russian connection at all, just seems like a poor choice to me. >> you don't have to look too far. in the context of the unknown and the don jr. meeting which has been a set of nondisclosure after nondisclosure. now we learned someone else at this meeting, which wasn't disclosed a guy known pretty well to you guys in the intel community, former senator carl levin says that eighth guy who was at that party, at that meeting, we looked at him. he started 2000 shell corporations for russians moved over a billion dollars, why were these people seeking out donald jr.? why would so many top members of his campaign meet with those people? >> i'm not sure that they properly vetted them before they walked in the meeting. there should have been red
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flags. that's well established. there should have been red flags even at the e-mail that said a foreign government wants to provide information. it didn't say foreign individual or company, it said foreign government that raises to a different standard that should have been the first flag that went up and said this is probably not something we should engage in. >> you should not normalize any notion of any foreign government, i don't care if ally or adversarial wants to provide you information specifically to do x, it is time that you stop for a minute and let that flag go up and say maybe i need to talk to the fbi and see if all this is cois okay. an allied government, it could be okay. but when you have an adversarial relationship with a hostile intelligent service which russia
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does, then you need to be cautious. some of the folks had done business in ukraine and other places should have known that before they walked into the meeting. i will tell you where investigators are going, in my estimation as a former fbi guy, they're not necessarily it was criminal to do the meeting. it was not. they were certainly not out of bounds to take the meeting. but what happened next? that's going to be the next question. i'm going to guess that that's where the special counsel will find out did they suggested a follow-up meeting? the russians who were in the room, did they say you need to meet this other american we know, and he can have further discussions on certain activities? what this likely was is somebody in that room was spotting and assessing everybody in that room to see is that somebody that we might be able to turn? might be able to get information out of? even unwittingly. maybe i can snooker somebody into giving us information. when you look at this collection of individuals, all of their
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activities, i'm talking about the russians now, i'm sure that's what the special counsel is looking at. were the russians making this an active measure to spotted and assess somebody to do something -- to recruit somebody later on. i imagine all of that is fair game for the special counsel. >> will be interesting to hear what don jr. and paul manafort to say in an open hearing. that will be fascinating. let's talk about season two of "declassified" your show on cnn. the season premier this saturday what do we need to know about it? >> it will be exciting. the first episode -- i would like to tell you i was precedent in about this, russian illegals coming to the united states, taking on american sounding names and the soul purpose was to recruit americans, spy on the united states and infiltrate government agencies to steal secrets of the united states. it is just like out of a
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thriller. you will love it. the cool part, it could be a spy next door and you don't know it. that's what is neat about the first episode it lays out the tactics and techniques of what the russians are still up to and were up to when this big case broke by the fbi. >> so you checked three boxes there, american paranoia of the unknown in general, russia, and fear of immigration. >> i'm not sure it's all of that. but if you like a good spy story, this is a great spy story. even if you're saying i don't know, i can't take more russia stuff. this is -- >> never say that. >> well, this is really about russian spy tactics and techniques and the agents who were able to catch a sophisticated russian operation happening on u.s. soil. >> can't wait to watch it catch mike rogers "declassified: untold stories of american spi s spies" saturday at 9:00 p.m.
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