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that's it for me. i'll be back with you at 5:00 p.m. eastern on "the situation room." for our international viewers, amanpour is next. for our north american viewers, "newsroom" with brooke baldwin "newsroom" with brooke baldwin starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com thank you so much. good to be with you all. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. let's get to the breaking news, shall we? 24 hours after their health care bill collapsed, president trump hosting a lot of frustrated republicans at the white house and demanding they delay vacation until a new plan is in place. only problem is, it's not entirely clear whatsoever what that plan actually is. first, here's the president as he walked into the lunch. >> we're close. i think we're a lot closer than people understand. and we have to pull it through. so important. but we're in this room today to
deliver on our promise to the american people to repeal obamacare and to ensure that they have the health care that they need. we have no choice. we have to repeal and replace obamacare. we can repeal it, but the best is repeal and replace, and let's get going. i intend to keep my promise, and i know you will too. obamacare was a big lie. you can keep your doctor, lie. you can keep your plan, lie. it was a lie, directly from the president. you can keep your doctor. you can keep your plan. 28 times, he said it. 28 times, and it was a lie and he knew it was. and now it's hurting this country irreparably. i'm ready to act. i have pen in hand, believe me. i'm sitting in that office. i have pen in hand. you never had that before.
you know, for seven years, you had an easy route. we'll repeal, we'll replace, and he's never going to sign it. but i'm signing it. so it's a little bit different. but i'm ready to act. for seven years, you promised the american people that you would repeal obamacare. people are hurting. inaction is not an option. and frankly, i don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan, unless we can give our people great health care, because we're close. we're very close. we have no democrat help. they're obstructionists. that's all they're good at is obstruction. they have no ideas. they've gone so far left, they're looking for single payer. that's what they want. but single payer will bankrupt our country because it's more than we take in for just health care. >> all right, so let's start there.
let's go to jason carroll live at the white house talking about this lunch. but let's just rewind a little bit, jason. how did we get here where we have, you know, the president sitting around the lunch table with 49 or so frustrated republicans? >> reporter: well, couple of things. you heard the president say that he's got pen in hand, basically, and that he's ready to act, but this is a president that was strongly criticized for inaction, basically, and what i mean by that is there are a lot of folks here in washington who feel as though this president misread the legislative tea leaves, if you will, and didn't really get into this process as he should have, because if he had, they would have had a better sense that this was going to fail. and so, there was criticism that the president needed to do more to get in there, to get involved, and to personally pitch to senators, and so what you're seeing today is a lot of that effort. this is a president now who's meeting with these gop senators, talking to them, trying to get them all in a consensus, to get
on board to pass some sort of repeal and replace type of legislation. you heard him there when he gave that brief talk there, basically -- basically calling president obama a liar when president obama said that folks could keep their doctors. he made a couple of other points. he had indicated that perhaps gop lawmakers are closer than people really realize, brooke, but it's unclear in terms of what he meant by gop lawmakers being close. he said inaction is not an option, but then you heard him yesterday when he basically said, just let things fail, and then let the democrats come back to the table. there was an awkward moment during this lunch when he basically was talking about senators not wanting to leave at this point or basically senators wanting to leave. he's saying that they should stay. he basically made a joke, and in doing so, he made a reference to the senator that was sitting next to him, senator dean heller
from nevada, and basically made a joke about senators wanting to keep their jobs. i want you to listen to what he said and look at the senator's reaction. >> you didn't go out there. this was the one we were worried about. you weren't there. but you're going to be. you're going to be. look, he wants to remain a senator, doesn't he? okay. and i think the people of your state, which i know very well, i think they're going to appreciate what you hopefully will do. >> a bit of a ot-so-veiled threat and then you consider sort of serious side of this when you think about heller, who his office was investigating his office, now investigating along with nevada police there in las vegas, a threatening letter that was left at his office over the weekend. heller, as you know, brooke, has expressed in no uncertain terms some discomfort with the legislation going forward. he was one of those people who were sort of on the fence there. heller is up for re-election in 2018 and is seen as being one of
those senators who can be very vulnerable, so a not so veiled threat during that lunch. >> interesting map of the seating chart, in that senator heller would be seated next to the president, given everything that we know. jason carroll, thank you so much for setting it up. let's discuss all of the above and more. kevin sherden is with me. he's the former senior adviser from mitt romney's presidential campaign and also with us, adam gentleson, former communications director for the retired democratic senator harry reid. so, guys, good to have both of you on. let's just talk first about, kevin, starting with you, just listening to the clip that we just had of the president, what do you make of his tone and his style, you know, given the fact that he is sitting with the republicans who are -- many of whom, most of whom are irked that this is going to linger for five, six, seven more days >> it's jocular. he's doing some arm-twisting there. it would have been nice if he
had gotten a little bit more involved a little bit earlier. i think this may have an effect on the senate. the senators who have, you know, are holding out their votes right now to move forward and actually take it to the senate floor -- >> you think it will change their minds? >> no. i mean, this alone won't do it, but there are things he could do, and it's not on -- all on him. i mean, this is up to the senate to do this for themselves. i mean, look, they've campaigned on it for eight years, as we all know. they've won seats on this. this is their moment. it's either do nothing, let obamacare continue to fail and hurt americans, or act now and get the reforms that we can only get with a republican congress, because democrats aren't going to do those reforms. we know what they're going to do. they're going to dump money on to the problem and kick the problem down the road. >> adam, i'm just curious too, your thought on the optics, the seating chart and jason was just reporting with senator heller, up for re-election, 2018, not so keen on the original vote, the original bill, and then, you
know, it seem like the president was joking, but to say, you know, very surprised to hear my friends, they may not be my friends for much longer. your read on that. >> i do not think senator heller found that joke to be funny. i think senator heller's take away from that was probably, please mr. president, stop helping. this is not how you lobby senators, at least not effectively. this isn't the house. senators take themselves very seriously. they have a lot of power individually. and they respect presidents who put in the work, who involve themselves in the legislative process, who show they care, and you don't just call them to the white house and then go on camera and call them on the carpet publicly. it's entirely possible that this has more of a negative effect than a positive effect. this is not how you do it and trump simply hasn't put in the time or the work. >> let me ask you just also, doing coms for senator reid, i understand that you said, you know, at the time, looking back, the senate majority leader, how he had love and respect from his
members, and now you look at the current senate majority leader, mcconnell, you say he only has respect, but this is, you know, this is a man who is seen as a master tactician. how did he swing and get such a big miss on this? >> i would say senator mcconnell was seen as a master tactician. >> wow. >> i think that reputation is in doubt now. you know, mcconnell has a lot of respect from his members for delivering primarily political victories, which he has done with a fair amount of success over the past few years. that's to his credit. however, he's done it at the expense of the institution. he's done it by taking away power and influence from individual senators, from chairs of committees. and if you're going to do it that way, he's done it by centralizing power with himself and if you're going to do it that way, you have to keep delivering, and here he is on his first big test on health care, completely failing to deliver in a highly public way that puts all of his senators in a very difficult position. >> what do you think, kevin? what do you think the
conversation is around the table that we can't see? do you think that some of these senators will be blunt with how they feel about the president and his role in this? >> they've always had a, you know, an interesting relationship, the senate and the president. and not all of them are his, you know, big fans of his, and he's not fans of them, and that doesn't necessarily matter at this point. this is an issue for all republicans. we campaigned on this. >> how does it not matter, the relationship between the president of the united states and the senators, if this is all something apparently they're on board for, for doing, you know, as a campaign promise, and here they are in nada. >> well, look, he could give an oval office address and assure the american people what this bill is and what it is not, you know, put aside some doubts of people that they're not going to lose their insurance or they're not going to lose their doctor or their plan or whatever. i think he could do some of that and go right over the heads of the senate and right to the american people. i think he should continue to talk about it. if he's serious about it.
but this is an issue for the entire party. it's not about just the president and it's not just about mitch mcconnell or the house. it is about all republicans. it's what do we stand for. do we stand for reforming an entitlement, the first chance we've ever had to really reform an entitlement, $772 billion over 10 years. this is our option to do that. get people better health care options and better outcomes for them, and this is the moment to do it. we campaigned on it. we've got to do it now. >> just add one thing to what kevin said. yeah, what confidence do republican senators have to believe this is the second or third position we've heard president trump take in the past few days. what confidence do they have that this is the position he's going to continue to take. he could wake up tomorrow morning and tweet, never mind, let it fail. that undercuts his juice here too, even if he was to give a primetime address. >> we're going to be talking to one of the senators in the room, lisa murkowski, next hour. adam and kevin, thank you both very much. meantime, let's talk about
this russian lawyer who was one of the eight people attending a meeting at trump tower last june during the campaign now telling cnn she is ready to tell her story to the u.s. senate with a few conditions. this is her speaking earlier to russian government backed tv network. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ] well, we certainly don't know what will come out of that meeting. we're learning more about the eighth person who was in the room. we now know his name, ike kaveladze, was tied to an alleged money laundering investigation involving nearly $1.4 billion that passed through
u.s. banks. now, he was never prosecuted. he currently works for the russian oligarch who originally requested the meeting with donald trump jr., and kaveladze was working for him when he partnered with donald trump in the whole miss universe pageant in moscow. so this is this video we've been showing though yo showing to you. this is from las vegas. kaveladze is actually behind the guy with his arms folded in the lighter suit and obviously you see the now president. but his attorney told erin burnett he never met anyone else prior to june 2016 in trump tower. >> he was intended to be there, his understanding, as an interpreter. before that day, he had not met any of the other people in that room. prior to one hour before the meeting, he had no idea what the meeting was going to be about. he was asked by his boss, go to the meeting, make sure it happens, facilitate logistics, and that's all he knew.
>> let's go to our justice correspondent jessica schneider who's been watching this one for us. what more can you tell me just about this whole money laundering investigation? >> yeah, well, kaveladze was never criminally charged but the mere fact that he was investigated as part of this potential billion dollar money laundering scheme that was tied to russian brokers, that is raising alarm bells for lawmakers, past and present. in fact, it was former michigan senator carl levin who took to his facebook page to spell out the concern. he pointed to the congressional probe that he led in 2011 that asked the government accountability office to look into how foreigners establish u.s. corporations with hidden ownership as a way to launder money through the u.s. banks so carl levin writing there, numerous corporations and bank accounts established by irakly kaveladze on behalf of people in russia, he said, the owners of those accounts then moved some $1.4 billion through those
accounts. so now, at the time, kaveladze, did he speak to congressional investigators? kaveladze said he knew all of the entities for whom he set up those accounts, but former senator le vin called kaveladze the poster child of those practices, setting up those shell companies so last night, kaveladze's lawyer again reiterating that he did nothing wrong. >> what mr. kaveladze did back 20 years ago was absolutely unequivocally legal. there was never any allegation of him engaged in any criminal activity. >> was not charged. >> was certainly not charged with anything criminal or regulatory and did absolutely nothing wrong. the focal point of that report was about the banks on boarding of client accounts, account opening documents and that kind of issue, a compliance issue. he has never been implicated in any wrong doing whatsoever. >> reporter: and again, kaveladze was never criminally charged as part of this money laundering investigation
involving russia but many lawmakers, including senator mark warner, they point out that the mere fact that kaveladze was in this june 2016 meeting, given his, quote, colorful past, those are senator warner's words, they say that that raises the stakes even more now to find out exactly what transpired inside that meeting and they plan to find out. >> on those raised stakes, jessica, thank you. my next guest was the head of the gao, the general accounting office, during this whole money laundering investigation. >> it's the government accountability office and yes emphasis ti was the ceo in 2011. >> you got it, sir. i know there were a multitude of reports. as the ceo of the gao, at a time when former senator levin says kaveladze's name came up in looking into issues surrounding these shell companies and to jessica's point, you know, senator levin now calling him
this poster child of the issue, were you surprised to see his name in the current headlines? >> well, i was, but you have to understand the nature of the investigation the gao did for senator levin. we were looking at money going from eastern europe to the united states, back to eastern europe and individuals' names did not appear that that report. i refamiliarized myself with the report. corporations did. bank institutions did. but the fact is, is what gao found was the know your customer rule clearly was being violated by the u.s. financial institutions. >> can you explain that further. just for people who may not fully understand what it was. >> sure, i understand that. obviously, the united states is concerned about the potential use of u.s. bank accounts for money laundering, whether it be for corruption, whether it be for drugs, whether it be for
other illegal activities, and there are various banking laws that, among other things, the know your customer rule, where banks are supposed to do reasonable due diligence to understand whose account it is, where they get their money, what type of business activities that they're engaged in, in order to try to provide reasonable but not absolute assurance that fake accounts aren't being set up for the purpose of money laundering. and in this particular case, there were two u.s. corporations, euro-american corporation and ibc, that set up about 2,000 different accounts for various russian brokerage, money came from eastern europe, went through these accounts, went back to eastern europe, and it was pretty clear from gao's report that inadequate due diligence was done by these institutions with regard to who their customers were. >> right, so it was the institutions -- if i may just jump in, it was the institutions
and i know this individual kaveladze wasn't specifically prosecuted or blamed but we know now that this kaveladze was this previous previously eighth unidentified person in this meeting at trump tower, including the president's son and key campaign leadership and this russian attorney, so do you find it concerning, just given all your knowledge of these schemes, you know, just to know that this individual had a seat in that room? >> well, i don't know this individual. i don't know what role that individual played in this meeting. candid candidly, from my standpoint, it looks like that meeting that is getting a lot of press attention, that people were saying that it was for one purpose and it was obviously for something very, very different. >> that's correct. >> the bottom line is, yeah, the bottom line is, that gao did il its work in a professional, objective, nonpartisan way. we did find concerns with regard to possible money laundering, with regard to not following the know your customer rule. we referred it to the
appropriate bank and regulatory authorities and law enforcement authorities. they did whatever they felt was appropriate. nobody was indicted, to my knowledge. nobody was convicted but it is a serious issue that is becoming an area of increasing concern given the global interconnectivity of our economies and other types of activities. >> help us understand, mr. walker. we heard this man's attorney say that his involvement with all these transactions was, quote, unequivocally legal so just explain to us, in cases like this, why would he not be prosecuted? >> well, he evidently didn't do anything wrong. i mean, the fact is, if you look at the gao report, you'll find that in order to set up these corporations, you don't even have to have to put a lot of information with regard to the owners of these corporations and a variety of other detailed information, who's working for the corporations. it's very limited, the amount of information you have to put up. and so the focus of gao's
investigation, as i said before, was what happened with regard to the establishment of these accounts, and were there reasonable safeguards taken to try to prevent money laundering. the answer is, no. >> got it. david walker, thank you. former chief of the government accountability office. thank you very much. >> good to be with you. a secret sit-down between president trump and russian president vladimir putin. why didn't we know about this? and why didn't another american join in the conversation? two former cia agents will discuss that. also ahead, "people" magazine reporting that donald trump jr. is miserable with his father in the white house. new insight into the family's new headaches. and after days of silence, officials finally revealing what officers say happened in the death of this bride-to-be. hear why -- what they're calling a loud bang is now a center piece of this tragic story. you're watching cnn.
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deal, but it is these two presidents, both donald trump and vladimir putin, who did not disclose a second meeting until now, and who have not offered many details of said conversation. here's what we know. a senior white house official tells cnn that near the end of this dinner with other g20 leaders, putin and trump spoke for nearly an hour through a russian translator. the american translator was not there. in a statement, the white house says this about the meeting. "it is not merely perfectly normal, it is part of the president's duties to interact with world leaders." the white house also disputed the discussion as a second meeting, but instead referred to it as a brief conversation. so, how should we be reading this? i have with me bill mudd, who is also a former cia counterterrorism official and lindsey moran, a former undercover cia operative and author of "blowing my cover." so, phil, you first. is this a big deal?
>> i don't think it is. i think it's significant that they met. look, you think about the issues that are on the global stage now, especially the effort to get a solution in syria. you think about the president's questions on things like election meddling, what's going on in crimea and ukraine. remember, this is happening through translation, so over the course of this meeting, these two meetings, they meet for three-plus hours, in translation, that's an hour and a half, 40 minutes, i think it's good for a president who's not known for looking at detail to actually get detail. there is one question. what the heck happened there. and i would like to know that but i think the fact of the meeting is okay. >> a lot of people are pointingopointing out it was this russian translator. how do you see it. >> well, yeah, i think that is an issue. i mean, i would just say, from a strategic, symbolic, and from a security point of view, it just seems ill-advised.
>> why? >> what it looks like is not good, and what it -- what it looks like from the kremlin perspective, i mean, if you're in human intelligence, in collections, the ideal circumstances are for you to get the person alone. so i think before the world stage, we've seen putin get trump alone, and what does that say, symbolically? what does it say strategically? i think, again, it shows this -- it shows our administration to be a little bit of amateur hour. i mean, you don't want to make it look like putin is in control, and that's what it looks like. it looks like he's the puppet master. >> the whole notion of getting him alone, i was reading a piece in one of the papers this morning, the former ambassador to ukraine said exactly this in "the new york times." if i was in the kremlin, my recommendation to putin would be, see if you can get this guy alone and that's what it sounds like he was able to do. phil, back over to you, you read "the washington post" and they
float these three theories. one, could be something me the nars, two, the ignorance defense, hasn't been in government all that long, didn't know, or three, that trump is addicted to causing controversy. right? he knew we'd be buzzing by going over and talking to, of all people, vladimir putin. which do you think it is. >> i'm not sure it's any of those. i guess it's closest to two. let me give sean spicer some talking points. the president of the united states has met world leaders before. he met the chinese leader at mar-a-lago. he's never met somebody who obama tried to reset with and bush 43 tried to reset with. the conversations, the official conversations during the day were so in depth that the president decided to continue with them at dinner. the issue, again, is there's no other american president and we don't know what happened, but i think if i were at the white house, i'd say, spin this right, boys. the president wanted to get into the dirt and he did that evening. what's wrong with that. >> lindsey, would you buy the spin. >> no, i wouldn't buy that spin
at all. i mean, everything about it, everybody -- >> nice try, mudd. >> even randomly poaching the japanese interpreter, again, it smacks of amateur hour. it makes us look silly. and it makes us look silly in the eyes of the world and as if we're being very, very skillfully manipulated by the kremlin. and i think we've seen that again and again. >> well, there's another off-camera white house briefing. we'll see if said talking points are received by the press people and we'll listen in to see how they spin it. phil and lindsay, thank you so much. or no spin necessary. meantime, "people" magazine reporting on donald trump jr.'s mindset amid all this turmoil in the white house, including why he's apparently miserable with his father in the oval office. we have those details ahead for you. also, breaking details in this tragic case of this bride-to-be who was shot and killed by police after dialing 911 to report a possible assault outside of her home.
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what do we say? it's going to be great. watch. remember what we were just saying? go irish! see that? yes! i'm gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. to talk on the phone. we've had a lot of conversations. he's talked to a lot of members, and one of the outgrowths of discussion today is that the vice president, secretary of health and human services, and head of cns will be on capitol hill tonight working with some of our members who at least so far have gotten -- had some difficulty in getting to yes. let me describe what "yes" is. it's the motion to proceed. we cannot keep the commitment we made to the american people to repeal and replace obamacare unless we get on the bill.
so, next week, we'll be voting to get on the bill. i would remind those of you who don't cover capitol hill that this particular type of bill is totally open for amendment. it's no way i or anybody else could prevent members from having amendments. that any 51 of us can pass and change the bill, but we cannot have a debate until we get on the bill. so, next week, we'll be voting on the motion to proceed. and i'm -- have every expectation that we'll be able to get on the bill. >> senator mcconnell, the president today seemed to veer back to his original position. it looks like the direction you were going in the senate was merely to repeal and replace at a later date but today the president expressed several times the need to do it all at once. >> i think we have two options here. there is a large majority in our conference that want to
demonstrate to the american people that they intend to keep the commitment they made in four straight elections to repeal obamacare. i think we all agree it's better to both repeal and replace, but we could have a vote on either, and if we end up voting on repeal only, it will be fully amendable on the senate floor, and if it were to pass without any amendment at all, there's a two-year delay before it kicks in. so, the take away from what i'm telling you is, no harm is done by getting on the bill. wide open for amendment no matter what i offer as a substitute at first, it's fully amendable. >> given the president's comments today and following up on that question, are you experiencing some political whiplash here? >> well, it's pretty obvious we've had difficulty in getting 50 votes to proceed. but what i want to disabuse any
of you of is the notion that we will not have that vote next week. we're going to vote on the motion to proceed to the bill next week >> and leader mcconnell -- >> all of august recess. >> we're going to have a vote on the motion to proceed to the bill next week. thanks, everybody. >> you can see the republicans' own health care now. do the republicans own health care? >> that is a man who has been known as the master tactician, in all things, getting votes going his way. that is the republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, may be a bit frustrated, may be a bit frustrated here on what's happened in washington over this whole repeal and replace, slash, repeal now, replace later neither of which seem to be coming to fruition if you do the math. let's talk to our special correspondent at cnn. i know you've been talking to republicans on how they feel in general. but first, the senate majority leader, he's not normally, you don't see him like this.
>> no. there's an expression, back in the day. back in the day before trump, he was able to get these things done. he had a lot of discipline. he could get it passed. not so much anymore. and i think this is very frustrating for him. >> what do you make of his whole, just reading phil mattingly who's in the weeds for all of us on capitol hill saying, a lot of these senate republicans are frustrated. if we're going to have a vote, have it today, not let this whole thing faster and linger for five to seven days on whether it's repeal and replace or repeal. again, the math isn't there. so, what are you hearing from republicans? >> and so there are two things. frustration is a mild word. i didn't even have to call people yesterday and today. they were calling to say that they're just -- it's horrible, it's terrible, it's unimaginable. and they are really concerned, not just about this, but with the constant drip, drip, drip of the stories about ties to
russia, of the eighth man. they just feel it's whack-a-mole. they never know what's going to come next. i just a quick quote from one who said, this is a senior republican, been around a long time, said, "it's impossible to defend trump because you know or at a minimum fear that more is always coming and then it does." so, it's very hard to get substance done when also you have all of these other things in the mix. >> i think another key point, just reading your notes that you've gotten, you say the source actually didn't think there was anything, referring to eighth man or maybe even the putin/trump meeting, the source didn't actually think there was anything untoward, truly untoward going on, just thinks they don't know what they're doing. >> right. they think naive, discipline. donald trump conducting business the way he used to conduct business in new york doesn't work when you have this meeting with putin that all of a sudden
maybe there's no "there" there. maybe it's all okay. maybe nothing's going to come from the investigation. but when you conduct yourself this way, when there's no discipline about it, then it's causing problems that they don't need. and the word i keep hearing is "distracting" in washington. that's the polite word for, we can't get anything else done because we're dealing with all of these things. >> as a, you know, we're having this conversation, guys, let's throw out the cover of the "people" magazine. it's landing on some newsstands today. i mean, you know, this is the magazine, my mom reads "people". people all around the country read "people" and you see this cover, the trump family, secrets and lies, and apparently one of the quotes in there is about don junior saying that he's miserable, can't believe he has to live, you know, with three and a half years to go with his father in the white house. what do you make of that? >> so, absolutely. at every checkout counter, one
republican texted me yesterday, please make this stop. and it's not -- i don't know about the details of that story, but when you look at that cover of "people" magazine, we're just six months in. this is supposed to be the honeymoon. this is supposed to be, at home with the trumps, at home with the obamas. >> smiling first family. >> exactly. >> on the cover of "people" magazine. >> that looks like a tabloid. >> it does. jamie, always with the good scoop. thank you so much. the white house is getting ready to weigh in on all of this. stand by for that. more from that luncheon with republican senators. also, after days of silence, officials finally revealing what officers say happened in the death of a bride-to-be. hear why a loud bang is now at the center of their story.
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this is just coming in to us, the actual transcript of the 911 call from the woman who was shot and killed by minneapolis police. it's now just being released so within it, you hear justine calling up and reporting what she thinks may be a rape. so let me just read part of this transcript for you. she tells the operator, i don't think she's enjoying it. it's been going on for a while. and i think she tried to say help and sounds distressed. along with the release of the 911 call, we are getting our first clues as to what may have led minneapolis police to shoot and kill this australian bride-to-be. the police officer who was the one who actually shot her, he's not talking. his partner is. he is officer michael harridy. he tells investigators he was startled by a loud noise just before rusic approached their patrol car. he says after the loud noise,
his partner, who is sitting in the passenger seat, fired his gun and shot rusic through the driver side window. police dispatch audio picks up the next couple of moments. >> female standing behind the building. 5:30, shots fired. we need ems code wash burn and 51st street. >> let me bring in eric guster, a criminal and civil trial attorney. eric, good to see you. now the fact that we're hearing a little bit from the partner and not from the officer himself, little bit from the officer's attorney but again, not much. is that a smart strategy? >> it is. this man is about to be charged criminally. this is a manslaughter case that needs to be charged and he knows it. he's already lawyered up. and his union is probably paying for his lawyer, and he's probably being advised to be quiet. we have the constitutional right
no not incriminate ourselves and that's what he's doing. his partner is under the obligation to give any type of statement because the partner is required by contract to give a statement about an incident that the partner's not going to be possibly charged in. that's why the partner's talking. >> help me understand. i mean, here they are, they're responding to, it sounds like, a report of a sexual assault outside of this woman's home. they roll up. the woman's walking toward, it sounds like, the passenger side, and the partner says they heard some loud noise. how is that a defense? >> it sounds ridiculous. and that's what so many people in the community are concerned with. police officers who are so ready to shoot at a moment's notice, without any type of weapon being seen, without any type of viable threat. there's nothing to determine or show that this man was threatened. and their body cameras were not on, and in their procedures, they're supposed to cut them on if there's going to be any type of altercation. if you thought there were gunshots, you should have cut your camera on.
that's problem number one for them. >> they ended up turning it on but after the fact. >> that's too late. that's like getting gas after you run out of gas. you can't cut them on after the fact because that's not showing us what happened. one of the reasons that we have body cameras is to show for police officer safety and the public safety what occurred in incident, who's at fault, who's wrong, and who needs to be liable -- who needs to be liable and charged. >> heart goes out to that feen s fiance and family in australia. meantime, this time tomorrow, o.j. simpson will be finding out if he is a free man. find out what his life has been like inside prison for the past few years. also some disturbing news on -- check that. let's listen to some senators walking out of the white house. >> but it's obvious to me, number one, that the president favors repeal and replace.
of course, we can't repeal it all. we're repealing parts of the affordable care act and replacing it with parts we think will improve it, and that's the -- that's the main thing. he wants us to get to yes. >> and you favor that approach too. >> i favor that too. i don't think that 40 votes to repeal and say to the american people, well, trust us to come up with something in the next couple of years. i don't think that's a great -- >> you don't think there are even 40. >> i don't think so. >> i didn't know you went over there. >> lots of cameras on those senators here, talking health care with the president after that luncheon. we have more live reaction for you as these men and women are walking from the white house and into the capitol. we'll be right back. you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. whoa, whoa! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. mom, i'm taking the subaru.
disgraced football star o.j. simpson will stand better nevada parole board tomorrow and try to convince them to let him out of prison. simpson was famously acquitted of the brutal murders of his wife, nicole brown-simpson and her friend, ron goldman, back in 1995 and so simpson has spent the last eight and a half years in prison for his role in a 2007
robbery that happened in a las vegas hotel room. cnn has a look at his life behind bars, at nevada's lovelock correctional facility. >> reporter: northern nevada, lovelock medium security correctional center. o.j. simpson's home since late 2008 after his conviction for armed robbery and related charges in las vegas. from behind these walls, a picture is emerging from insiders of simpson playing fantasy football here, coaching softball, staying out of trouble. the prison reports no incidents involving simpson. >> he's not one that is in the limelight that we all know about that there's a lot of lawsuits or there's a lot of issues with. he's not in that list. we don't hear from him much. >> reporter: two former lovelock guards say simpson has not been affected by racist gang battles that can infect other prisons. >> where blacks can't sit with mexicans, or whites. by o.j. being at lovelock, that took away all the politics.
you just need to really keep an eye on him. >> reporter: former officer wrote a short book about his relationship with simpson. he told cnn simpson gets little perks. >> usually, o.j. simpson cuts in front of every line. everybody understands that. it's a way of life. >> reporter: insiders say cutting included the food or chow line and o.j. gain add lot of weight, but simpson's good friend says nevada's most famous inmate went on a health kick and may have lost more than 50 pounds. prison officials said that simpson bought a 13-inch tv like this one for his cell when inmates are allowed to do but the ex-football star never saw those two series that stirred up so much buzz, "the people versus o.j. simpson" and "o.j. made in america." >> we don't want to bring attention to one inmate over another. >> reporter: when simpson advocacies here to the parole board, they'll find out if they will call him a free man.
cnn, lovelock, nevada. paul, thank you, and again, that parole hearing will be televised live right here tomorrow during this hour. so stay tuned for that. coming up next, more on breaking news, all these republican senators coming out of this meeting we white house, talking about this meeting. the luncheon with the president at the white house, including one who was singled out by the president for voting "no." . plus, some disturbing news on north korea. u.s. intelligence shows the north is preparing for another possible missile test. hear about the timetable and its hear about the timetable and its capability, coming up. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans,
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