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that a missile can land in the united states, and where it might land is anyone's guess. hello, welcome to the lead. i'm jake tapper. trying to figure out the new strategy for health care can produce whiplash. today the president summoned the republican senators to the white house to repeal and replace obamacare. that's a departure from previous announcements just this week to repeal obamacare and replace it later. that's where the president was on monday night. and of course, on tuesday, just to let obamacare fail and make the democrats own it. but now the president is back to where he was monday afternoon.
>> he's scheduled to vote next week, but that vote is just a repeal without replace. that's wen-- >> again, president trump is changing strategy on health care reform. >> i don't think we should leave town unless we have a health insurance plan, unless beck gwe give our people great health care. >> reporter: the president putting pressure on members not to give up on repealing and replacing obamacare. >> we're in this room today to deliver our promise to the american people, to repeal obamacare and to ensure that they have the health care they need. we can repeal it, but the best is repeal and replace. >> reporter: the president's remarks coming just one day after suggesting the party should just let obamacare collapse. >> let obamacare fail, it will
be a lot easier. i think we're probably in that position, where just let obamacare fail. >> on top of that, he said republicans should appeal obamacare now and start a clean slate. the president urged the republicans to stand through in the repeal and replace act. i' dean heller sat next to the president. >> you'll get there. you want to remain a senator, okay? >> there was confidence for those who wanted to block a bill from getting to the floor. >> any senator who votes against starting debate is really telling america you're fine with
obamacare. >> reporter: after the meeting, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell held a vote to take up health care next week and expressed confidence that he would have the vote. >> we can't keep obamacare. next week i have every expectation we'll be able to get on the bill. >> reporter: while the afternoon trip to the white house did not solve all differences, they seemed in agreement it's back to plan a, to repeal and replace at the same time. >> that was very explicit that he thinks we should do a repeal and replace. very explicit on that. >> and i think we're close. there was a lot of common ground, there were discussions on areas that i think are differences, but we're making progress. >> then when it appears a vote is not there.
and oem hear from behind me, it's a lot of pressure that senators were going to find here today. in mitch mcconnell's office, right where i'm standing right now, there are protesters waiting for their voices to be heard over protests. it seemed as though the negotiations had stopped, but they are clearly back on, and, in fact, a group of senators that are on the fence will meet with senate leadership and white house officials. that movie will take place to plan a. >> ryan nobles, thank you so much. joining me now for more on this is senator bill cassidy. he's a republican and also a
physician. you taenattended the lunch meet where the president told you we're very close to passing that bill? is that true? >> we have a margin of two, so yes, we're very close. part of the lunch and part of what we'll do tonight is see if we can go through those issues withstanding, see if we can find common ground. >> of the 4 that didn't, that's rand paul and mike lee, and then there were those who expressed concern that it would help people by cutting medicare and medicaid. where to win lee and paul, or is it going to put back medicaid
money to win jeremy. when you talk to the colleagues and listen to them, they're concerned that this bill goes to traditional medicaid. those forms have not been aired out. they're based on legislation that i rote in 2012 called the prohibition of cap. you're right, there should have been a full implementation. my solution is, let's just pull that aside. if we pull out the traditional made cade treatment, i think you mig might. >> on that provided more kovrnl
for americans, but the congressional budget office did project from the last iteration 22 million fewer americans would have insurance under the draft of the bill, including 15 million using medicaid. >> can i comment on that, jake? there would be credits offered to those less than 100% poverty level in non-expansion states who do not wall fi for traditional medicaid. tim spoke. this would provide coverage for what they currently do not have. secondly, the cbo score. they put heavyweight upon the individual mandate. the signal bill put up $30 billion in two years relative to the house bill. so part of what going guard is going to be, the cbo wants an individual mandate, the american people don't, so those coverage numbers will suffer.
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worry talking health care with republican senator bill cassidy of louisiana who is also a physician. senator, thanks for sticking with us. on monday the president said that the plan would be repeal now, replace later. yesterday he said, just let obamacare fail, he's not going to own it. now he wants to go back to the repeal and replace plan. are you getting whiplash up there? isn't this a little confusing? >> no, as a physician i understand the importance for that family sitting around the kitchen table that they have affordable premiums. we can say the president recognized that during the campaign. he's right. right now republicans, think about it, have not passed any legislation which has impacted obamacare. if it fails, it will be entirely because of obamacare itself, not because of legislation that
republicans have passed. so there might be that temptation. but the president was quite sympathetic for those families who are struggling to pay their premiums, and i think what we see today is that sympathy being exhibited. we have to do something to help those families. >> you have said doing a repeal only bill without a relacement, that would raise premiums on the middle class. i believe that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell's plan is to hold a repeal now procedural vote next week, right? are you going to vote against it? >> so i think -- we have to wait and see what the leader decides. but what clearly came out of this meeting is that the president of the united states, who recently won promising both to repeal and replace, wants a simultaneous replace. that was clearly the message. and i presume that senate leadership heard that loud and clear. >> but if it's just repeal, you'll vote against it, though, because you oppose that. you think it will raise premiums on the middle class. >> before i answer a
hypothetical, i would actually like to have a discussion with mitch mcconnell. on the other hand, i'm all about having lower premiums for the middle class. working on a bill with senator lindsey graham that would do things like giving states the block grant to provide coverage, giving them permission to do automatic enrollment so we don't have to have a mandate, people can be enrolled if they're legible. that would lower premiums in himself. all about lowering premiums. let me answer the hypothetical after it's not a hypothetical. >> do you think working with democrats might be a good idea considering how difficult it's been to pass this with just republicans and how big a chunk of the economy this is? and also how much republicans criticize democrats for passing it with only democratic votes when obamacare passed. >> i would love to work with democrats. i reached out to about ten, working with them publicly, privately, trying to reach some common accord. really the block grant that
graham cassidy wanted would give the blue states something the blue states wanted to do, but a state like mine, louisiana, could do better for our people. so far there wasn't an offer to help. there was a political ad a few weeks ago saying don't cooperate. debbie stabenow said every time i wanted to help do the right thing, i was pulled back. so i think there is perceived political advantage on their side. i find that regrettable. i would love to work with democrats to find a common solution. >> senator and dr. bill cassidy, senator of louisiana, thank you, as always. >> thank you, jake. a white house report says president trump is ending the covert war to end assad. new information showing north korea could be preparing to launch another intercontinental ballistic missile. stay with us.
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president trump has decided to end the cia's covert program arming assad rebels in syria. this is a move likely to prove popular not only in syria's capital of damascus but also in moscow, at the kremlin. this decision came before the president met with vladimir putin at the g20. the big question is did trump discuss this crucial situation about syria with putin? we do not know, but we're learning now there was a second meeting at the g20 between the two leaders, one that was not disclosed. we're only learning about it now because ian grammer was told about it yesterday at the dinner
at the white house that took place. the pow-wow happened just hours after trump and putin concluded a formal sit-down. this makes looming questions about this man, even kaveladze. he is the eighth person that met with the russian lawyer last ye year. here's cnn's jessica snyder. >> reporter: he insists the businessman's presence inside that tower meeting was innocent. >> he was intended to be a translator/interpreter for the russian lawyer who speaks no english. >> reporter: but sources tell us he was there with alex argalov. now they're raising questions about kaveladze' past. they conducted a russian probe in 2000, where according to
levin, the abilityability office looked into numerous bank accounts established by kaveladze on behalf of people in russia. levin said kaveladze set up 2,000 bank accounts for those accounts and then moved some $1.4 billion through those accounts. kaveladze was never charged, claimed the wrongdoing and claimed he knew all the people who set up the accounts. senator mark warner said kaveladze's involvement with that 2000 investigation is part of a colorful past that should raise suspicion about his presence in the meeting. >> i doubt that this individual who has a history of setting up thousands of fake accounts in delaware was really there to talk about russian adoptions. >> he has never been implicated in any wrongdoing whatsoever. so to say he has a colorful past is quite unfair and, quite frankly, dishonest. >> reporter: kaveladze has agreed to cooperate with special
counsel bob mueller for his investigation into the special election. kaveladze has been accused of money laundering. >> i think ian knows there needs to be some accountability of this money laundering movement and that's what we're seeing. >> reporter: the russian lawyer says she's happy to disclose details about her meeting with donald trump jr. if she gets a guarantee her family will stay safe. >> translator: let's put it this way. i'm ready to clarify the situation behind this mass hysteria, but only lawyers are testifying behind the u.s. senate. >> reporter: this as the white house continues to downplay president trump's nearly one-hour previously undisclosed chat with president vladimir putin at the g20 dinner on july 7. the second phase of the day was
revealed on tuesday. >> from what i've seen, i don't think it's a matter of grave concern. >> white house deputy press secretary sarah huckabee sanders is pushing back on all of this, calling it russian fever, saying the media is drumming this up and asking why they would disclose this meeting when it was known president trump was at the meeting. and jake, she said it would be incredibly awkward for the two leaders to sit at this dinner and not talk. plenty of pushback on that this morning. some lawmakers raising questions about another trump family member's security clearance. we'll talk to the house committee who is calling for a review, next. and how to work around your uc.
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the world leader is pushing back on the second meeting disclosed, saying it's no big deal. jackie speier is on the house intelligence committee. ma'am, thank you for joining us. the second meeting between donald trump and vladimir putin that took place at this g20 dinner took place for about an hour. the white house says this is simply an exchange of pleasantries, the president doing his job. what do you think? >> once again, the lack of transparency always causes us to perk our ears up, right? i think, one, it wasn't good optics in terms of all of our allies that were at that dinner watching the president move from his assigned seat over to vladimir putin and then spending an hour talking with him exclusively. beyond that, i would say that it's not good form and it's actually somewhat dangerous to be in a situation where you don't have a u.s. person as a
translator. ambassador mcfall, who was the ambassador of russia under president obama, said he wouldn't allow the president to be with vladimir putin alone for five minutes. so for all those reasons, i think it was very poor judgment. and, again, added with everything else we know about the putin/trump bromance, it raises lots of questions. >> there are also a lot of questions right now about the eighth person who was present at that meeting between the trump representatives and the russian lawyer who supposedly had dirt on hillary clinton. ike kaveladze, he was caught up in a u.s. money laundering investigation back in 2000. we should point out he was never charged with anything. do you have any evidence or knowledge of whether or not he was working on behalf of the russian government or whether he had a role other than serving as a potential translator for that russian lawyer? >> i really have no information about that, jake. >> the russian lawyer, natalia
veselnitskaya, says she is willing to testify to clear up any discrepancies about that meeting as long as her safety can be guaranteed. is the house intelligence committee planning to interview her? >> i can't speak to whether or not the intelligence committee will interview her. but what's really important here is that we went from donald trump the candidate, said he never had any meetings with the russians. we have the white house saying there never was a meeting with russia. we had his family saying there never was a meeting with the russians eight times. and then all of a sudden, it comes out that there was a meeting and then it was just a couple people and now it has grown to eight people. and if you look at the e-mail, it's very clear that what was being traded was dirt on hillary clinton that could be used and that vladimir putin was interested in making sure that donald trump got elected president. >> and you and other democrats, you sent a letter to the acting fbi director andrew mccabe
asking him to review ivanka trump's security clearance, citing a potentially serious issue. what is the potentially serious issue? is there anything you know of that ivanka trump did wrong? >> i think what we're very concerned about -- the sf 86 document is 128 pages long. it's not something you blythely fill out and push send as has been suggested by the white house. it was a mistake, it was a clerical error. it's a voluminous document. you're supposed to talk about every single contact you've had with a foreign national. we see that jared kushner has changed his three times and changed it from zero to over 100 contact contacts, and we're interested in knowing if ivanka trump is accurate as well. furthermore, the question has to be raised why do they have security clearances at all? >> jackie speier, thank you very
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welcome back. sticking with politics, president trump's new advisory commission on election integrity is holding its very first meeting today. the panel, of course, came together after president trump's bogus claim that 305 million votes in the election, the reason he nearly lost the election. king of voter suppression by the aclu. he also suggested that president trump might be correct about that evidence free claim about millions of illegal votes. let's bring in cnn's diane gallagher now. you've been watching them all
day. what do they say is the main goal? >> non-resident voters and the dead were the main topic today. it seemed to be more of an idea session. the commission seems to be working on what the full scope or goal of its mission will be. the panel has dealt with this cloud of controversy around it since inception, the bipartisan blowback over data collection, the handful of lawsuits and, of course, that a lot of people believe the purpose is to somehow validate the president's baseless claim that voter fraud cost him the popular vote. commission leadership mike pence and chris cobach have pushed back, saying they aren't expecting anything. >> if any state does not want to share this information, one has to wonder what they're worried about. and i asked the vice president, i asked the commission, what are they worried about? there's something. there always is.
>> vice president pence playing cleanup, insisting afterward, look, this is not about preconceived notions here, but the majority of the conversation did focus on who is voting and how they're doing it. members discuss differences in registration methods, voter rules by the state, and they briefly talked about protecting state databases from hackers. jake, we should also say the word russia was hardly mentioned. >> of course a thatthat's the i that hardly took place last year. 30 states have agreed to share voter information with the commission. how does that square from pushback we've heard from different states in recent weeks? >> let's call it true but maybe a bit misleading, jake. red states, blue states haven't been shy about opposing their requests. a majority of the states have said they would turn over at least some public information. that could just be a name, for other states it could be an address or party affiliation.
it varies state-by-state, although none of them are okay with turning over social security or partial social security numbers. cobach claims that 30 states plus d.c. have refused to turn over any data, even public information, but jake, here's the thing. at this point the commission isn't accepting any data because it's all tied up in court. >> thank you. we have a lot to talk about today with the panel. kevin madden, the whole reason this commission exists is based on this thing that president trump has said is demonstrably false. 3.5 million people voted illegally. it's in the dozens, not the millions. do you think anything good and worthwhile can come out of this commission? >> i have a hard time believing that because they haven't consistently communicated to the public how and what they would do with it. that's why you see bipartisan
pushback across many states. to do that more consistently, they may be able to build some greater level of public support on this, but right now what you're only doing is just talking to a partisan audience. we know that things don't get done when you only have just a partisan audience. you need to have a bigger, broader level of support for an initiative like this. >> i know after 2000, and that was a horrible situation, the election night that lasted forever, there was an election commission. it was jimmy carter and gerald ford, bipartisan working together, issues about voter fraud, issues about voter access, and that seemed to be an effective way to do it. that's not the model being followed here. >> no. there is zero evidence of voter fraud. it didn't impact the latest elections, maybe didn't even impact the race. what they need to focus on is on this cyber threat, and they should be using a group of experts on that. we could nominate mike rogers
here to serve on that. i would bet there are a lot of high-level democrats and republicans who would be a part of that. that's the real problem. this is voter suppression. it's nothing more than that. >> what do you think, congressman? >> i think they made a huge mistake by not bringing in the secretary of states. in that year 2000, i won by 111 votes. i learned a lot about the integrity of the ballot box. were there anomalies? yes. but it was done through the secretary of state's office to make those determinations. so if you really wanted to do this in a big and broadway that would encompass some notion of something out there we can't see, then you need the buy-in of a bipartisan. i would bring in all secretary of states candidly at this first meeting and trying to find ways they could work together to solve the problem and put the right information on the table. >> let's talk about this meeting we just found out about last night between vladimir putin and president trump. the argument being made by the
white house is this is no big deal, world leaders at a g20 dinner are going to talk. you're a former white house communications director. what do you think? >> world leaders do talk at meetings, and you're seated next to world leaders you talk to. but there is a big difference between president trump having a conversation with the world leader of france, the u.k. or germany and talking with a leader that continues to interrupt or system. there is a lot happening here, but the biggest one is a lack of disclosure from them because they didn't tell us about it. it seems more mysterious than it perhaps was. certainly anyone you're meeting with, any white house discloses even polarized meetings. >> this is one of the problems we have seen which is this white house has eschewed the idea of protocol and past precedence.
and to a large degree, that approach has worked well for them. they are in the white house, for example. but that is why i think so many national security and foreign policy folks believe that that's important, because going into a meeting like that with an adversary or geopolitical foe like russia, you have to have a sense of clarity of the purpose of the meeting, and then what you want to communicate is your goal for it, and then how do you communicate with your larger public? not just your american public but your friends and allies around the globe about that meeting. when it's left to folks to just discern on their own, you have a model message. and model messages are never good when you're dealing with issues as important as national security and foreign policy. >> there is an issue here, congressman, in the sense that week after week we're finding out about meetings between the president, members of his team members and family and russians. and they have been not transparent about them at the very best and lied about them at the very worst, and it just
keeps happening and happening. you would think somebody in the white house would be like, we should just brief. he sat down with putin at the dinner, no big deal, and nobody would have said anything about it. >> exactly. my only concern in this meeting, he's an unconventional president for sure. it's not completely unusual for pull-aside meetings. the one fact is i would not rely on a russian interpreter only. that's where somebody should have grabbed the cow or sent someone in to the meeting to make sure there's some balance in the room. that to me was not a good decision. you have to wonder where was the team around him to make sure that didn't happen. if they wanted to have a pull-aside one-on-one meeting with two interpreters, they certainly had the opportunity to do that. >> congressman, let's also note the new season of your show "declassified" premiers on saturday night. it couldn't be more timely. it's called "the spies next door, operation ghost story" about deep cover russian sleeper
agents infiltrating the u.s. here's a clip. >> christopher metz is now in possession of what we believe to be a quarter million dollars meets chris murphy with about half the cash to sustain his operations. and then gps shows that metz's car traveled approximately 80 miles north of nork morning cew a rest stop. they found the pole in a native brown bottle. they set up cameras to monitor that drop. that camera became a whole new case. separate code name. we had no idea how long it would be there. >> but we had to be ready to document that whenever it happened. >> the whole role of intelligence agencies is to be ahead of the game and not to be surprised. if you are surprised, then the
chances are that you failed to do your job. >> you're a former fbi agent. tell us about this series. >> well, first of all, we take -- the stories are told by the agents and the case officers, and in some cases last season we had a kgb officer on to tell these very detailed and typical spy stories. this particular one, it was the largest counter intelligence investigation done by the fbi and it had nearly a dozen russians who came here, so they're trained intelligence officers, they come to the united states, they assume american identities. they could be your neighbor. they could be the guy next to you at work. these folks -- and you would never have known it. and their goal was, over time, to get close to policymakers, try to infiltrate the u.s. government, and what you saw was the fbi doing a great job of wrapping this case up. it's fascinating. you should cancel your plans on saturday night and watch this show. >> it seems a little timely.
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we're back with our world lead. moments ago syria learned that north korea may be getting ready for another intercontinental ballistics test. this after they said they may have the range to reach the united states. north korea just state it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of
reaching parts of the u.s. it won't happen, end quote. let's bring in barbara starr. north korea possibly getting ready for another icbm, or intercontinental ballistics missile. what does that tell the experts? >> reporter: what officials are saying is uyou have to assume nw that north korea is ready for some missile launches. they are seeing cases where they could launch again in about two weeks. too soon to say if it will be the second icbm test or another intermediate range test. all of it, however, very concerning to officials because north korea clearly on this track to be able to launch missiles that can eventually hit the united states. the big issue is when will they have the ability to precisely target an area in the u.s. jake? >> barbara, it's not just the missiles program.
cnn has also learned that north korea's most advanced submarine is engaged in unusual activity in the east sea. what are you learning? >> reporter: it's right now been noticed it's about 100 kilometres, about 60 miles or so offshore north korea. not a very advanced submarine, by the way. it's diesel, it can't go underneath the sea, it can't descend for very long. it has to stay on the surface. it can't stay out of port for very long. but concerning nonetheless because it was a different deployment pattern than the north korean sub had done in the past to go so far afield. so it's being watched because in the past north korea has used these submarines, used their torpedo attack capability to attack shipping, especially south korean shipping in the past. everyone keeping a close eye on this wondering what north korea might be up to next, jake. >> a lot of people alarmed yesterday when the vice chair, the joint chiefs of staff,
confirmed what many had feared and expected that north korea's icbm could potentially reach the u.s. >> reporter: indeed. this is really the fundamental question right now. so they launched an icbm. it has the theoretical capability to go the distance someday, to hit the western united states. but the key question is their guidance, their control, their reentry of that missile into the earth's atmosphere. how soon will they be able to achieve that, and general silva was very clear that one of his big worries right now is north korean deception, the north koreans by the day getting better about deceiving the world about their intentions, hiding their launches until the very last minute. that is a huge worry, jake. >> barbara starr in the pentagon, thank you. president trump has been at direct odds with science on several key issues. for one, mr. trump has suggested that vaccines cause autism. they do not. he also repeatedly called global warming a chinese hoax.
it is not. his differences with scientific consensus are now leading experts to protest what they call trump's war on science. we spoke to some scientists who are going so far as to put away their lab coats to run for office. >> reporter: in the climb to the 2018 congressional race, a new kind of first-time candidate is emerging. >> i would say scientists are angry, they're frustrated, they're concerned because this is our life's work. >> reporter: geologist jess phoenix who spent her career chasing botanical movement around the world, now democratic candidate for congress for incumbent republican steve knight. he calls global warming science, just like president trump. >> it's given us not only something to fight for but a
reason to fight for it. >> reporter: that fight visible in a public resistance by scientists. they call it an administrative war on science by budget cuts to the epa and the nih to the pullout from the paris climate accord. for the first time, a concerted effort to get more scientists to run in congressional districts across the country. 314 action, named after the first three digits of pi, is an action committee. it says 6,000 scientists have is reached out this year alone to run from school boards to congress. >> politicians are unashamed to meddle against science, and i think the way we push back on that is to run for science and get a seat at the table. >> the impact on my field has been nothing short of devastating. >> reporter: a world-renowned
neu neuroscientist says they produce cures for cancer. why are you going into politics when you could cure cancer? >> i feel science is a great stage, frankly. >> reporter: vice chairman of the house science and space committee. keirstad used that as a way to topple him. he used that as a way to topple donald trump. >> people are very tired of the trump is he unanimous begshenan every day on twitter. >> reporter: national democrats do see jess phoenix as a little bit more of a long shot. they point out that it's very,
very early. as far as hans keirstad. they think he could mount a formidable campaign. jake? >> that's it for the lead. i'm jake tapper. you can follow me on twitter or @jaketapper. i turn it over to the situation room. back from the dead. a day after giving up on the health care plan and saying he would let obamacare fail, president trump brings senate leaders to the white house as they try to bring the repeal and replace effort back to life. that lunch may have been tough to swallow for certain leaders, but mitch mcconnell said there will be a motion to proceed on health care next week. there is no indication if he has the votes to make it work. president trump seems to offer a veiled threat to one health car