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top of the hour. good morning, everyone. i'm poppy harlow. john berman has the day off. president trump gives a stunning improve deepens the battle lines with his own justice department on the six-month mark of his presidency, lashing out once again over the russia investigation and all of its key players in this sit-down with "the new york times." but the most scathing remark
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saved for his own attorney general. jeff sessions may have been among donald trump's most loyal supporters during the campaign, but a fuming president trump will not forgive him for recusing himself in the russia probe. >> sessions should have never recused himself. and if he would -- if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked somebody else. >> we will hear from jeff sessions shortly, in his first live remarks since he was attacked by the president. before that, though, a devastating diagnosis. senator john mccain is battling brain cancer. the iconic warrior, both in politics and on the battlefield, facing one of his toughest battles yet. but those close to him say that he will not surrender. his daughter, megan writes, he is the toughest person i know, the cruelest enemy could not break him. the aggressions of political life could not bend him. cancer may afflict him in many ways, but it will not make him surrender. nothing ever has.
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>> god knows how this ends, not me. but i do know this. this disease has never had a more worthy opponent. >> we are covering all of the latest developments on this busy morning. let's begin, though, with an update on senator mccain's diagnosis. our dr. sanjay gupta, also a practicing neurosurgeon, is here with this cnn exclusive report. and sanjay, you spoke with mccain's permission, to his doctors. what have we learned? >> reporter: well, we got a lot more details, poppy, about what happened on friday, when he went in for that routine visit. how he -- how he subsequently got diagnosed with this brain tumor. and how that all unfolded over the last several days. senator john mccain is recovering well after an operation last friday to remove a malignant brain tumor known as glioblastoma. with senator mccain's permission, i spoke exclusively to two of his mayo clinic doctors about the details of his
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care. mccain had come in for a scheduled annual physical early friday morning with no complaints except intermittent double vision and fatigue, which he attributed to an intense international travel schedule over the last several months. his doctors ordered a cat scan to check for anything from a possible blood collection to a stroke. upon review of the scan, doctors called mccain, who had left the hospital, and asked him to immediately return for an mri. the scans revealed a five-centimeter blood clot above the senator's left eye, which appeared to have been there for up to a weak. the decision was made to pferfom an urgent operation. by 3:00 p.m., mccain was in the operating room under going a craniotomy to remove a tumor. doctors made an incision above his left eyebrow where they bore a 2-centimeter hole where they removed the clot and a tumor. a pathology report revealed a primary brain tumor known as glioblastoma. it's the same type of tumor
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thatha thathat bo biden and ted kennedy had. the median survival 14 months, was it can be five years or even longer. this is not mccain's first health scare. in 2000, he was diagnosed with invasive malignant melanoma. >> from having a lot exposure to the skin when i was very young and having fair skin. >> reporter: doctors removed a dime-sized melanoma from his left temple. when he was campaigning for president in 2008, i had a chance to review all of his medical records. details of his health since then have remained private, until just now. his doctors at the mayo clinic who have been treating him for several years said it was mccain tease gut instin 's gut instinct knowing that something just wasn't right. poppy, it's worth pointing out that senator mccain had a really quick recovery from this operation. keep in mind, he's 80 years old, he had general anesthesia, this was brain surgery. and yet right after the operation when he woke up, he
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was joking around with the operating room staff. he spent the night in the intensive care unit on friday night, but was able to go home on saturday, the next day. which is a very, very fast recovery. what is happening now, poppy, senator mccain and his family are talking to the doctors about the next steps. the chemotherapy, the radiation, and when that's likely to begin, probably some time over the next three to four weeks, poppy. >> you know, sanjay, if there was ever a fighter, it is senator john mccain. look, senator ted kennedy, someone he worked with across the aisle so much, this is the same cancer that he battled. the prognosis, this is aggressive. >> reporter: there's no question, i mean, there's a lot of literature, and that's where doctors typically turn to in situations like this. what does the literature show? but you make an important point, poppy. first of all, he's a fighter, but even more objectively, he's overcome tough cancer before, invasive melanoma, a tough cancer. so he's certainly got that
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spirit. the doctors noted that to me, as well. and given that he recovered from so quickly, already, from this operation and how optimistic they are about moving forward, i think that's all going to work in his favor. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much for the reporting this morning. also, this morning, president trump is raising eyebrows with a candid and sometimes caustic remarks aimed at his own justice department. six months to the day into his presidency, we hear the president railing against the russia investigation and all of its key players, tearing into his own attorney general, jeff sessions, for recusing himself from the russia probe. >> sessions should have never recused himself. and if he would -- if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job. and i would have picked somebody else. >> he gave you no heads up at all? >> zero. so jeff sessions takes the job, gets into the job, recuses
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himse himself. i then have -- which -- which, frankly, i think is very unfair to the president. how do you take a job and then recuse yourself? if he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said, thanks, jeff, but i can't -- you know, i'm not going to take you. >> our joe johns is at the white house with the very latest. and that is, joe, just the beginning of it. >> that certainly is. we are expecting, poppy, to see the attorney general within the hour at a cyber crime news conference at the department of justice. at least two other people, the president talked about in that interview, are also expected to be at that news conference. that would include deputy attorney general general rod rosenstein as well as the acting director of the fbi, andrew mccabe. now, while some of the harshest criticism in the interview was for the attorney general, we know also that the president has, among other things, leveled a lot of the criticism at fbi
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director, james comey. he did so again in the interview, charging, essentially, that the fbi director alerted him to the existence of a dossier, with damaging information in it. in order to gain an advantage. "the new york times" has not released the audio portion of that interview, but there is a transcript, i'll read it for you, and here's what it seays. when he brought me to this, i said, this is made-up junk. i didn't think about anything. i just thought about, man, this is such a phony deal. question, why do you think -- why do you think he shared it? the president, i think he shared it so i would -- because, the other three people left, he showed it to me. the president says, so, anyway, in my opinion, he shared it so i would think he had it out there. question, as leverage? the president says, uh, yeah, i think so. previously, mr. comey has said on the record, in his view, he
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needed to tell the president about it, because there was damaging information inside it, and it was claimed, in the dossier, that russians could use that information against the president. we do expect to see the president over at the pentagon later today. back to you. >> joe johns at the white house. thank you for the reporting. let's discuss with ron brownstein, rebecca berg, and salena zito. salena, to you as someone who has sat in the oval office and interviewed the president on more than one occasion, what does it tell us that on the six-month mark of his presidency, we are now hearing from the president, an attack on his entire justice department, particularly jeff sessions, and frankly, an attack on the entire judicial process? >> well, i'm not surprised p. i mean, you know, maggie haberman is such a great reporter, right? and she really has a way of c l pulling him out, he's very comfortable when he talks with her. and i thought that they were all
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able to have him talk about sort of the insecurity that he has about a attorney general that is now someone who doesn't immediately have his back as soon as he is, you know, president, right? and this is something that is important to presidents. and show, you know, i think he feels vulnerable without having that guy or, you know, if it ends up being a woman, that woman, you know, as part of his team. he's disappointed. this is something that we've heard leaked out before, but that's the first tile we hear it in his own words. and he's blunt about it. session was a guy that was with him in every -- almost every rally that i covered last year, right? i mean, this was a totally loyal guy, but it shows you that for this president, when you can't be there for him, you -- and you are, you know, there's some sort of, you know, maybe you knew you
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were going to have to recuse yourself immediately, you know, that makes him incredibly uncomfortable. >> it does. and look, the former deputy u.s. attorney general, sally yates, tweeting this morning, the president's attack on the russia recusal reveals yet again his violation of the essential independence of the department of justice, a bedrock principle of our democracy. an important note, she was also fired by the president. ron, to you. is it possible that president trump is trying to get jeff sessions to quit, because he knows the optics of firing him would not look good after comey, to quit so then he can replace him with a more friendly attorney general, who can subsequently fire a special prosecutor mueller? >> certainly possible. i mean, there are a couple of big messages of this incredible interview. the first wi, i think, to underscore salena's point, jeff sessions was the first and for lock periods the only major elected official who was
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supporting donald trump. he is the closest to him, ideologic ideologically, really of anyone, any major figure in the republican party, in terms of his views on immigration and trade and the trump world view. and the fact that the president would turn on him so publicly and really, kind of viciously, is, i think, a clear signal to everyone in the republican party, who was out there defending donald trump, whether it's paul ryan, whether it's mitch mcconnell, whether it's john cornyn, all of them have to read this as, eventually, he will turn on them as well. and then the second, i think, big message is the one you're kind of getting to. in all of these different ways, whether it's attacking sessions or trying to bound and draw bright lines the limit the special counsel investigation, he is sending a clear signal again to republicans on capitol hill, that he -- you know, he is acting -- it is within his possibility to fire robert mueller at some point, and if that is unacceptable to them, they have to make that very clear to hill. because he is basically setting up a pretext to do that, whether
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it's by removing sessions or claiming that mueller exceeded his authority. >> rebecca berg, to you. when it comes to all of these people in positions of power, you know, in the judiciary branch, the president seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of who they need to be loyal to and what they need to be loyal to, okay? because he talked about the fbi director in this interview. and let me read you part of it. he says, "when nixon came along, it was pretty brutal. and out of the controversy, the fbi started reporting, the department of justice, but there was nothing official, nothing from congress, there was nothing, but the fbi person really reports directly to the president of the united states." that is not the case, rebecca. >> it's to tnot the case at all poppy. and if president trump had simply consulted the fbi's website, he could have learned that since the 19 2020s, the fb director has reported directly to the attorney general.
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it's right there accessible to all of us at fbi.gov. and it just shows that the president not only has a disregard for the hierarchy of federal government and his powers as president, but also kind of a fundamental misunderstanding. and this is sort of what you get when you have a president who doesn't have any government experience, doesn't have any specious as an elected official or working even with government on the sidelines, but someone who his whole career has been a businessman. and you wonder, he's been president for six months now. he's had time to sort of soak up how things work in government, how the office works. and president trump, in my mind, just really hasn't shown an interest in learning about the institution, respecting the institution, respecting the way government works. he did promise to come into washington as the change agent, but to be a change agent, effectively, to change washington, you need to understand how washington works in the first place. and we haven't really seen that from president trump. i think this is a perfect example of that. >> and the independence of
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agencies and entities is not what needs changing. that is fundamental to our democracy. salena, to you, salena, when he was asked by "the new york times" about special counsel bob mueller, they asked, you know, what if mueller was looking at your finances and your family finances, unrelated to russia, is that a red line? and he said, "yeah, i would say so," and then he said that that was a violation. he didn't go so far as to say, would you fire mueller? when they sk a asked, would you him? he said, i can't answer that, i don't think that's going to happen. but he said there's a line where mueller shouldn't look past. >> right. he was definitely telegraphing to all of us, including mueller, that this is where -- i'm with everything, until we get to this point, right? and, you know, although he didn't say, you know, i think if i remember correctly, he didn't say he would fire him, but you can tell that that -- he
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wants -- does not want mueller there, right? and i think, i think getting rid of sessions or forcing him to resign and putting another attorney general in place, like we said before, i think that opens the door and makes it possible for the next attorney general, if that's what happens, to fire mueller. and you know, i suspect that's where we're going right now. >> and guys, stay with me. we have a lot more on the other side, but by the way, the message from jeff sessions we're hearing this morning, i'm not going anywhere. and we're going to hear from him live in just a moment. ron, very quickly. >> just very quickly, again, if republicans on capitol hill have said, that is acceptable unacce them, they have to make that much more clearer than they have, because clearly the president is contemplating it. >> guys, stick with me. we have an exclusive with senator elizabeth warren just ahead. a lot more ahead this hour. just pleasantries? the president gives his version of that previously undisclosed
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today marks six months in office for president trump and he's marking it with a stunning interview, given to "the new york times," in which president trump undermines his own attorney general and is clearly at odds with the entire justice department. let's get straight to capitol hill for reaction to that and more. phil mattingly is there with senator elizabeth warren, one of the president's most outspoken critics for an exclusive interview. phil? >> thanks, poppy. senator warren, a lot to get to. but first, i want to start. you took a trip recently with senator mccain to afghanistan. and i just kind of wanted to get -- what was he like on that trip? >> tough as a boot. and ready to go at every moment. i'm telling you, when you travel with john mccain, you get up early and you work until late at night. because that's who he is. he's there, he's there to ask questions, he's there to probe, he's there to find out information and he's there to push hard. >> so there was no sense, even
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then, no exaimpact, that you sa? >> not at all. >> and what's your sense, he's ideologically on a different side than you, your perspective on his role as a senate or a as a colleague? >> john mccain and i co-sponsored along with angus king and maria cantwell a glass/steagall bill, 21st century glass/steagall. he was really strong on break up the giant banks, thinks they pose a real risk to the economy, and he didn't mind saying so. when we were in afghanistan, i stood next to him while we were doing a big press avail, and he was just saying, there is no military-only solution in afghanistan. and he was really pounding on the trump administration to make sure that we had a full complement of our diplomats and that we need a strategy before we send more people into afghanistan. he's tough. and yeah, there are places where we don't agree, but there are some key places where we do. >> now, you are a critical of the trump administration.
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the president has gone after you a few times, as well. it would be pan interesting moment, poppy mentioned it's the six-month anniversary today. you're releasing a report today that lays out grades on one of his key campaign promises, and draining the swamp. it's a report that lays out 192 lobbyists were part of the transition team, 81 lobbyists that were registered within the last two years. what's the purpose of releasing all of these names? >> look, it starts with the fact that washington works great for giant corporations. if you can hire an army of lobbyists and corporate insiders, you can make washington work for you. but for the rest of america, it's not working great. so donald trump promised repeatedly during the campaign that he would drain the swamp. so i want to hold him accountable for that. and we went back and counted. and it turns out that not only has he not drained the swamp, he has brought in, we actually did one more count last night, 193
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corporate lobbyists, ceos, and executives of big giant corporations and industry consultants. that's who he's bringing in, in every part of government. and it's having a real impact on the decisions that are getting made. it's not business for the american people. it's business for big business. >> you know, the counter is, these are individuals who know how markets work, who know how the business sector works, who know how washington works. you disagree with that assessment? >> well, look, the lobbyists do know how washington works. and that's the real problem here. what they're doing is rolling back rules that the obama administration put in place to try to protect people. for example, over at the education department, rules that were put in place to protect student borrowers. the lobbyists come in, and what happens? those rules get rolled back. and that means more room for the debt collectors, more room for the for-profit colleges, more room for all of those private
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industries that are making a profit off the backs of our kids. over in the treasury department, they're looking at what should the financial reforms, should they be rewritten? the ones that were put in place after the 2008 financial crisis. and once the lobbyists come in, what happens? they've put together something that is described as the wish list of the giant financial institutions. >> now, the president would point out, the market at record levels right now, business optimism, doing okay, unemployment, low. because of his administration, because of these actions? >> look. here's the problem -- i'm glad to see a high stock market, but that -- wealth is not widely shared. it does not mean that middle class america is doing well. what's happened to middle class america is basically, it's been flat wages and rising expenses for the basics, for housing, for
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health care, for transportation, for education. kid can't make it through schools today without getting crushed by student loan debt. a rising stock market isn't what helps on those issues. we have these regulatory agencies in place to watch out for the public interests. and when you load them up with a bunch of lobbyists and corporate consultants, then what happens is once again, government works for the big guys, but just not for anyone else. that's when i give donald trump an "f" on his promise to drain the swamp. >> i want to shift over, speaking of agencies or departments, the president last night in an interview with "the new york times" said had he know jeff sessions was going to recuse himself, the attorney general, he never would have hired him in the first place. you've helped put together, run an agency, overseen an agency. what's your response to that? >> look, i didn't think jeff sessions should be attorney general of the united states, at all. i thought that he was disqualified to begin with.
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he had been back in the 1980s turned down by this congress for being too racist to be confirmed as a federal judge. but once he was confirmed, he followed the rules that are in place at the department of justice on recusal. and for donald trump to say, gee, i had in mind to have an attorney general who would not follow the law is just stunning. and it tells you once again that donald trump is out for exactly one thing. and that is to protect the skin of donald trump. >> when you look at the range of what we've seen or learned or uncovered any number of things in the russia investigation, do you believe the president broke laws? >> well, i think that's why we have a criminal investigation ongoing at this moment. to determine exactly the roy between russia, the trump campaign, and donald trump himself. and on this one, shoes drop every day. it's like shoes falling off a centipede, you know, that we
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keep getting more and more information. but we want to make sure that we get a full investigation from the fbi. and also, from the senate and house intelligence. >> and do you have confidence that the administration -- or that the fbi, the justice department and special counsel mueller will be able to do an investigation? >> i have no reason now to say that they won't. you know, the fbi has maintained its independence and i have every reason to believe that they will continue to do that. >> senator warner, thank you very much for the time. >> great to see you. >> poppy, back to you. >> phil mattingly, great interview. thank you so much for giving us that exclusive. we'll get reaction from republican senator bill cassidy to that next hour. meantime, president trump's take. what he said to "the new york times" in this bombshell interview about what really happened in that second undisclosed, previously undisclosed meeting with vladimir putin. [car tires screech]
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president trump sounding off in a wide-ranging interview with "the new york times," opening up about the newly revealed second meeting he had with vladimir putin at the g-20, while defending once again his son, don jr.'s meeting with a group of russian officials. back with me, ron brownstein, rebecca berg, and salena zito. rebecca, to you first. let's listen to how the president described that meeting that a senior white house official told cnn previously lasted an hour. listen. >> reporte >> actually, it was very interesting. we talked about adoption. >> you did? >> russian adoption, yeah. i've always found that interesting, because, you know, he ended that years ago. and i actually talked about russian adoption with him, which is interesting, because that was a part of the conversation that don had with this meeting that i think, as i said, most other people -- you know, when they call up and they say, by the way, we have information on your opponent, i think most politicians -- i was just with a lot of people, they said, who wouldn't have taken a meeting
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like that? >> he also said to "the new york times" the meeting was 15 minutes, not an hour. so two different stories from the white house on that. rebecca berg, what's your takeaway? >> well, one of the things that is so problematic, poppy, about this meeting is that we will only ever have the president's version of events here, because there was no american with the president, none of his top advisers were here for this meeting, whether it was 15 minutes or an hour. it's important that we have that record by the united states. otherwise, we only have russia's word and the president's word. and as we've seen, sometimes he can be sort of an unreliable narrator when it comes to these things. it's good to hear from him some details about what was discussed. but unfortunately, we're not going to have a rex tillerson or an h.r. mcmaster to call out and give us more details about what was said, because they weren't there. >> the russians have that, because they had their translator there. >> exactly. >> so selialena zito, to you, y again, a sort of full-throated
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defense of his son and his son-in-law and his former campaign chairman's meeting with that group of russian firoffici. listen. >> i didn't look at it very closely, to be honest with you. >> okay. >> i just heard there was an e-mail requesting a meeting or something -- yeah, requesting a meeting, that they have information on hillary clinton. and i said, i mean, that's standard political stuff. >> did you know at the time that they had the meeting? >> no, i didn't know anything about it. but, you know, it must have been very important -- it must have been a very unimportant meeting, because i never even heard about it. >> nobody told you a word, nothing? >> no, nobody told me. i didn't know -- it's a very important -- sounded like a very unimportant meeting. s >> salena? >> well, most importants are going to defend their kids, right? can i just say, i loved this interview. it was amazing how they were not
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only able to draw some things out of him, but because he's comfortable with these reporters, he's also very, you know, loose with his words. he's -- and he also, you know, makes sure that he gets across what he wants to get across. no, this was not a normal meeting. this is not the kind of meeting any candidate that i have ever interviewed would have considered or part of their team would have considered to go and listen to. having said that, this was part of sort of them not being -- not part of the political establishment. you know, they're very naive in how they approach politics. they approached it like business. >> so, at the same time, he made sure to applaud himself, ron brownstein, about his performance on the world stage, right? he had these big two foreign trips, first to poland and the g-20 and then to france. here's what he said about the speech that he gave in warsaw,
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which was applauded by many. here's what he said. "so i go to poland and make a speech. enemies of mine in the media, enemies of mine, are saying it was the greatest speech ever made on foreign soil by a president." ever made on foreign soil by any president. what do you make of that? >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall? there are a lot of contenders. look, it is the kind of hyperbole that is common to this president pip mean, the larger picture, first, is that we know from the pew data that trust in the u.s. has plummeted around the world. there are only two countries, i believe russia and israel, are the only countries in the world where president trump's standing -- more people have confidence in president trump than express confidence in president obama. but even, i think, more fundamentally than that, you have now this sense, whether it's in asia or europe, that the u.s. is receding from its role since world war ii , in essence as the leader of the free world.
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they have all said, we don't believe in a community of nations, we believe in a series of individual transactions that are constantly renegotiated. and whether it's asia or europe, you are clearly seeing nations that have been allies of the united states that have kind of worked in harness with the u.s., feeling they have to go their own way. and more, in many ways, personal chemistry between president trump and president putin than with many of the countries with whom we have been terribly allied. so the big question has always been, does america first translate into america alone? and so far, that is the direction in which it is trending. >> what is also surprising, guys, is that he gave"the new y time times", which he has many times called a failing publication. that he gave it to them and talked about so much more than other than the initiative this week, which has made the -- >> or health care. >> and for a white house that has said it does not want to be talking about russia, the president talked a lot about russia in this interview.
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>> an important point. thank you all very much. ron brownstein, rebecca berg, and salena zito. >> thanks. up next, you see it on the side of your screen, or it was right there, could o.j. simpson soon watch a free man? in just a few hours, a parole board will decide just that. but if he is paroled, will he even be allowed to go home? next. noo introducing the easiest way to get gillette blades text "blades" to gillette on demand text to reorder blades with gillette on demand... ...and get $3 off your first order
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attorney, joey jackson, and criminal defense attorney, ann bremner. thank you both for being here. and joey, everything i read, every headline is, this is a lock for him, that he is going to get paroled, that he hasn't made one misstep in prison in these nine years. what is is it such a sure bet? >> well, let's talk about that. good morning, poppy. good morning, ann. you know, a lot of people, when they think of o.j., i shouldn't say a lot, everyone, right, they don't think, necessarily, about this particular robbery, they think about that other case we followed so much, right, poppy? the double murder, and he did it, and i'm sure he did it. and everyone has an opinion about it. but this is about not that case, this is about what he did in reno, right? and so, the issues will turn on that particular case. and there are many who believe that everyone but the judge says, you know, 9 to 33 years for trying to steal your own memorabilia is ridiculous and has a lot to do with payback. and so you assess whether or not the punishment fit the crime, but then you assess how he acted in prison.
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what type of person is he or has he become? what has he done with his life? you look at his age. they do a risk assessment and what they do is they score you based upon your behavior, based upon what you're doing in jail, and you know, they evaluate you, and by all accounts, if you measure that, and if this board acts in good faith, remember, it takes four of the seven and four will be proceeding with this, it seems to be that o.j. simpson will be a free man. >> all right, so here's what our legal analyst and esteemed at everything at the law, jeffrey toobin, writes in "the new yorker." the american legal system is not supposed to be a karma based organism for retribution or unpunished bad deeds, but that's how it appeared to be in nevada. the las vegas case was a transparent attempt by the local authorities to issue payback for simpson's acquittal 1234994
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murd murders. >> like joey said, it's a numbers game. i've always said, three things in life are certain, death, taxes,s and karma. o.j. simpson suffered for karma with this sentence because of the homicides and payback, but we can haven't that and we can't have it now. so by the numbers, what are we going to hear today from him? i say he needs to be contrite and be seated. i mean, basically, he needs to say very little other than, i did it, i'm sorry. and then move on. but i think he will get out. and we need to understand as a nation that we can't keep him there forever, by virtue of something for which he was acquitted a long time ago. >> this is how the justice system works. joey, even if he gets paroled, there's no guarantee that he's going to be able to leave nevada. he has said he doesn't want to step another foot in there, he wants to go home, to play golf, to be in florida. but that decision is going to be up to one person and one person alone. even if he wins parole today. >> you know, i really do think,
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poppy, that they'll work it out. and who amongst us would say, i want to still remain here after being here against my will for almost nine years? so certainly, you could see what his sentiments are. but wherever you're on parole or, you know, wherever you're released and they evaluate whether they should release you, generally what they do is they impose conditions. that means if you're a good citizen, you do all you're expected to do, you have no police contact, you know, perhaps there's a curfew, or they have him in some type of program, do what you're told, remain under the radar, and i do believe there will be a time where the lives this fine state of nevada, continue to live his life, and at age 70, perhaps live it a little bit more quietly than he has in the past. >> joey jackson and ann bremner, thank you so much. we'll be watching again today. 1:00 p.m. eastern, you'll see it live here. the notorious case.
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>> we, the jury, find the df defendant not guilty. >> the infamous detective. >> mark furmhrman. >> and physical nuntil now, thee you've never heard. meet the woman who recorded mark fuhrman. >> why have you decided to come forward now? >> it's time. >> a cnn exclusive, "after o.j.: the fuhrman take place revealed" tomorrow night at 10:00.
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all right. senator chuck grassley, a republican chairman of the senate judiciary committee just telling us now that he will, if needed, subpoena both the
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president's son, donald trump jr. and the president's former campaign chairman, paul manafort to testify in front of the judiciary committee next wednesday. we know they have been invited to testify. we have not heard whether or not they will. this is a threat from the republican who lead that is committee, saying he will subpoena them if necessary. the ranking democrat on the judiciary, dianne feinstein agreeing with him on that. president trump leaving the white house for a major meeting at the pentagon, expected to cover a lot of issues including the u.s. strategy in afghanistan, a new intelligence showing north korea may be preparing for another intercontinental ballistic missile test. in syria, the president ordered the cia to continue to disarm rebels. a lot on the president's plate as he heads into the meeting with with secretary mattis.
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what do you think? >> you saw the pentagon steps where the president will walk up and enter the building a few moments from now. just to give you the optics, he will give a quick left turn and go directly to the tank, the secure conference room in the pentagon and sit down with defense secretary james mattis, chairman of joint chief, rex tillerson just arrived, steve mnuchin is here. we are told to expect a close adviser, jared kushner. also expected to attend this meeting. what is on the agenda? well, this is not a meeting about planning a military operation. when that happens, they go to the president, he doesn't come here. this is a bit of optics. this is the commander in chief coming to the pentagon, we are told, to get the so-called walk around the world. they will discuss threats, where u.s. troops are located, how strategy is going.
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everything from north korea to isis. what we don't expect is any decisions to be announced. in fact, a number of things are pending, including a new strategy for afghanistan, whether to send more troops to afghanistan and a bit more about the way ahead in syria and rirk. the antiisis strategy the president long promised. all those things on the table. you will see the optic of the commander in chief here, a commander in chief that has not gone to the front lines in afghanistan and iraq as his predecessors have. poppy? >> a good point. barbara starr at the pentagon where the president will be in moments. thank you very much. we are also moments away from attorney general jeff sessions speaking for the first time. this is critical because it is the first time he will make public remarks at the president lashed out at him saying he wouldn't have even hired him had he known he would recuse himself
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from the russian investigation. will he respond? we are on it.
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this is fun, we're having fun. yeah, we are. no, you're not jimmy. don't let directv now limit your entertainment. xfinity gives you more to stream to more screens. top of the hour, 10:00 a.m. eastern. good morning, i'm poppy harlow. john berman has the day off. live at this hour, president trump leaves the white house and heads to the pentagon. but, he just ignited another battle with his own attorney general in the department of justice. you can see where jeff sessions is about to speak for the first time since president trump raged over the russian

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