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>> all right. it's a great book. amanda wakes up. thank you so much. and congratulations. >> thanks so much. >> follow me on facebook and twitter. tweet the show at the lean cnn. we to want welcome a new member of the lead family. claire elizabeth white was born monday to our senior editorial producer, scarlett white, oh my goodness. look at that face. >> look at her. >> both mom and baby are home and doing well. congratulations to the loving parents. that's it for the lead, i'm jake tapper, now brianna keeler is in in for wolf blitzer in the situation room. happening now. breaking news, conflict-free life. nevada parol board agrees to let o.j. simpson out of prison after the former nfl star says he spent a conflict-free life. simpson acquitted two decades ago in the deaths of his ex-wife and served nine years in a robbery and kidnapping case. at this time, the white house says president trump does not intend to fire special council robert mueller at this time. a day after the president warned mueller not to investigate his
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family's finances. venting sessions. a spokeswoman says president trump still has confidence in attorney general jeff sessions, even though he venlted against sessions for stepping aside from the russia investigation. but a white house official called the president's attack on one of his most loyal supporters chilling. and threatening subpoenas, a powerful senator says he'll issue subpoenas for donald trump jr. and former campaign chairman pa paul manafort if they don't respond to a call to testify next week. wolf blitzer on assignment, i'm brianna keeler, you're in the situation room. o.j. simpson was granted parol after kidnapping and armed robbery. a nevada board acted after the star apologized and promised he'd have no conflicts if
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released. simpson could be free as soon as october. he's best known for his 1995 acquittal in the slayings of his ex-wife and her friend in what was called the trial of the century. also breaking, the white house says president trump has confidence in attorney general jeff sessions, a day after he sharply rebuked him. "new york times" interview, the president slammed sessions, one of his earliest and most loyal supporters for recusing himself tied to the russia investigation. who he warned not to investigate trump family finances. the president's attack on his own justice department is worrying officials inside the white house, one of whom calms it chilling. the russia investigation as well as picking up speed, the senate judiciary committee plans to hear next week from donald trump jr. and former campaign chairman paul manafort about their meetings with russians. so far, they haven't rsvp'd and republican chairman chuck
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grassly is warning he'll subpoena them. the president's son-in-law and senior advisor, jared kushner is set to testify before a separate panel. i'll be talking to congressman joaquin castro, a member of the intelligence and foreign affairs committees and our correspondent's specialists and guests are standing by with full coverage of the day's top stories. attack on attorney general and other law enforcement figures leaves some shaken. we begin with cnn senior white house correspondent, jeff zelny. jeff, this was a stunning slam by the president on one of his most loyal backers. >> indeed it was, brianna, and we're learning that president trump has not spoken to jeff sessions in at least the last 24 hours. certainly done a lot of talking about him. airing those grievances in a way we've not seen anyone else spoken to like that from this president. going from one of his biggest supporters to one of his biggest
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disappointers. attorney general jeff sessions once a trusted member of donald trump's inner circle is vowing to stay on the job tonight. despite the president's extraordinary vote of no confidence. >> we love this job. we love this department. and i plan to continue to do so as long as that is appropriate. >> reporter: but how long is the latest question in the escalac e escalating drama between president trump and the justice department. the president blasted sessions for recusing himself from the probe into russia's meddling in the 2016 election. a decision that eventually led to a special prosecutor investigating possible collusion between the trump campaign and moscow. >> well, sessions should have never recused himself, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked somebody else. >> reporter: in an oval office interview with the "new york times," the president suggested sessions was disloyal from stepping aside from the russia investigation that's now consuming the white house. >> it's extremely unfair, and
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that's a mild word to the president. >> reporter: those words drawing strong condemnation from republicans on capitol hill. who said the attorney general is the chief law enforcement officer of the united states, not the president's personal lawyer. >> i think the president makes a lot of statements off the cuff that sometimes come back to haunt him. and that's one of them. >> the attorney general can't be a wing man for a president, he's got to be very independent. and work for -- be a wing man for the people of the country. >> reporter: back many march, the attorney general announced his recusal, that infuriated trump then and now. >> i should not be involved in investigating a campaign. >> reporter: at a press conference on cyber security today, he offered little reaction to the president's blistering remarks. >> i'm totally confident we can continue to run this office in an effective way. >> reporter: the president also questioned the scope of robert
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mueller's investigation. saying he and his family's personal finances should be off-limits. no, i think that's a violation, the president said. look, this is about russia. but it's clear that his finances were on mr. trump's mind during the interview. >> a lot of condo units and somebody from russia buys one. i don't make money from russia. >> jeff sessions, have your full support? >> reporter: at the white house, the president would not answer kbes about sessions. but at the justice department, sessions and his high command stood side by side and declined to respond to the remarkable rebuke. senior white house official told cnn the president's remarks had a chilling effect inside the west wing, where the president values loyalty above all. it was particularly stinging because sessions was one of trump's biggest cheerleaders. the first republican senator to endorse his bid for the presidency. >> at this time in american's history, we need to make america great again! [ applause ] >> reporter: it's difficult to think of someone in this town,
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some republican in this town, who has beened a loyal for as long to the president as this republican senator, former republican senator from alabama who gave up that job to go to the attorney general's office. so the question tonight is, does the president want him to resign? at the white house briefing today, deputy press secretary sarah huckabee sanders, brianna put it like this, if he wanted somebody to take action, he would make that quite clear. we weren't sure if that was a yes though or a no. >> sounds like neither. jeff at the white house, thank you so much. i want to bring in jeffrey tuben. what do you maskt president's rebuke? it's an extraordinary rebuke of the attorney general. >> i've never heard a president insult a member of his own staff, cabinet, with such vehement and not fire him. so, that's what makes this so unusual. sometimes the president's fire people, but here you have this
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rebuke without firing. but, you know, we are in a different land with president trump in charge. and, i think, attorney general sessions is just going to keep doing his job and i think he can keep doing it until and unless he just gets out and out fired. >> what about robert mueller? because at this the point, the spokeswoman for the white house says the president has no intention of firing him, but the president did not completely rule that out talking to the "new york times." >> by no means. i think robert mueller is standing on a banana peel. that, you know, mueller is going to do his job. i don't think anyone who knows robert mueller and his reputation and history, he is going to follow this investigation wherever he thinks is justified, but it is quite clear that the president thinks that mueller should never have been appointed, it's an illegitimate investigation, he is not guilty of anything, so no one needs to investigate him. and there could well come a time when the president just as he
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did with james comey, the former director of the fbi, says i won't tolerate this anymore and asks his subordinates in the justice department to fire mueller. the interesting question will be, as in 1973 when richard nixon ordered the firing of cox, the watergate special prosecutors, how many members of the justice department's staff will agree, will quit rather than do it and take the order. bekd at that moment at any point. >> thank you so much for that. let's talk more about this now with democratic congressman joaquin castro of texas. he is a member of the intelligence committee and the foreign affairs committee. what do you think of this? the comments that the president made about robert mueller? he didn't say that he says really that there would be a red line, which is to have mueller investigating finances of his family, he feels like that is outside of what he's supposed to be doing and he didn't rule out firing him.
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>> i think first it's inappropriate for the president to try to dictate the boundaries of the investigation. and i'm glad to see it robert mueller is taking the investigation wherever it leads. and if, as jeffrey mentioned, i think if he does attempt to fire bob mueller, you're going to see a strong bipartisan backlash in congress. for any move like that. >> you're confident of that? what would congress do and what do you have confidence in your republican colleagues, how far does that confidence go that they would actually do something? >> well, to be honest, that confidence has been shaken over the last few months based on the things we've seen happen already and the lack of concern or action that's been taken by my republican colleagues. but i do think that if you had a repeat of a saturday night for example that congress would take action. >> what kind of action, do you think? >> well, i think you would probably, i would think you would have calls for impeachment on the republican side if that happened. it would be unprecedented in
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american history for a president to be successful in removing that special council and dictating the terms of an investigation into possibly him and his family and his associates, and what i heard from him yesterday when he talked about how upset he was at jeff sessions, what i heard was a president who was trying to get a loyalist, essentially a yes man, his good friend who endorsed him first in the senate, in there as special council, and it sounds like to protect him from a true russia investigation, which is deeply disturbing for the country. >> let's listen to part of what was really an extraordinary interview that the president had. >> mueller was looking at your finances, your family's finances, unrelated to russia. is that a red line? >> would that be a breach of what his actual -- >> i would say yeah. yeah. i would say yes. by the way, i don't -- i mean, it's possible there was a condo or something, i sell a lot of
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condo and somebody from russia guys a condo. i don't make money from russia. i put out a letter saying that i don't -- from one of the most highly respected law firms and accounting firms. i don't have buildings in russia. they said i own buildings in russia. i don't. they said i made money from russia. no, it's not my thing. i don't, i don't do that. >> he was asked there about finances unrelated to russia, the president brought it back to russia. if there was some sort of -- what may be democrats would have called during the special council for the clinton submission creep, you know, do you think that's fair? >> well, to the extent that it is tied to the special council's investigation, then yes, i think that it is fair. and the president laid out his position there that he has no investments or nefarious deals with russia, but there's certainly been news reports which really raise doubt about that statement, and really bring
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it into question. >> so you think that under -- well in mueller's per view, should the finances to see if there are connections to russia or if he sees something amiss that has nothing to do with russia? >> i think, i think he's got a broad purview as historically special councils have, honestly, brianna, if you're an ordinary american citizen or another politician, once the fbi or in this case a special council starts opening your books, starts opening the files, and they find something that's illegal, they're not just going to let it go. and so i suspect that's what's going on or could be going on here. >> is your committee going to look at president trump's finances, do you think? >> our committee's investigation is broad. without going into anything classified, our investigation and the questions that we're asking are quite broad. >> all right. so not a yes, not a no. do you see in a way finances being related to this issue of russia? >> absolutely. i think it's quite possible that
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financing is related. it may be that there was nothing illegal done at all, that the president is in the clear as he says, but i also think that it's probably fair to investigate those things. >> you -- i know probably have strong opinions about the president's previously undisclosed meeting with vladimir putin at a dinner at the g20d and you were on the foreign affairs committee. so the president tells the times that he and president putin only discussed adoptions, but adoptions, of course, are very closely linked to u.s. sanctions against russia because russia halted the adoption of russian orphans by u.s. families to retaliate for those sanctions. so what concerns does that raise for you? >> well, if you look at that day, july 7, there had already been a formal two hour meeting which went way overschedule. so this is a second hour-long meeting, which is extraordinary about it is first of all the length of the meeting, but also that there was no other american
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present. so we don't know if there was anything offered by either president, if there was any deal struck, whether it was on foreign policy or anything else. so that's very troubling. and that cannot be the accepted new normal for how a president interacts with foreign leaders. whether it's president trump, or the next president after this. >> how do you distinguish this -- i guess, maybe how do you characterize this differently than say president obama having a 15 minute meeting with vladimir putin, and then well down the line, we find out that they had figured out an off-ramp for the chemical weapons situation in syria? some time after that discussion. >> a few things. first, president obama, as far as i know, didn't disinvite or not have any other american around, including even a translator when he was speaking with vladimir putin. so there was somebody else and some record of what was discussed, but let's be honest again, president obama didn't
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have this cloud hanging over him about the russians and specifically vladimir putin ordering russian operatives to help him win a presidential election and donald trump does. >> all right. stick around. because as you know, there's a lot of testimony on capitol hill next week that is going to keep everyone very, very busy. we'll be right back with congressman joaquin castro.
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a day after stunning attack on sessions in a "new york times" interview from the president. we're back now with democratic congressman joaquin castro of texas. he's a member of both the intelligence and foreign affairs committee. so you raised a lot of eyebrows on this program. somewhat recently when you said that you believed people would be going to jail or someone would be in jail once these investigations are over, once these russia investigations are over. is that something that you stand by? >> i do. that was my assessment a few months ago, and it raised eyebrows, both from republicans and democrats, but i think as we see more things unfold, i think that more people believe it's a possibility. and i said it not in a ma lev lant way or to be mean to anybody. based o whan i've seen, you can't look at the facts and not think there's a great possibility that somebody will face legal punishment. >> when you look at the facts that have come out since you
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first said that, do you think that it could be someone at a higher level than maybe even you would have thought going to jail? >> absolutely. and i think the american people can see that for themselves what is possible here. >> we do know that jared kushner is going to be testifying behind closed doors on the senate side before the senate intelligence committee next week, and right now, paul manafort, one-time chairman of donald trump's campaign is scheduled to testify along with donald trump jr., scheduled and you have chuck grassley threatening subpoenas. are those people you want to hear from on your side? >> yeah, first i'm glad that they're going to go in front of the senate committees, and i also would believe that the house should hear from them. because we are running two separate investigations. so i certainly want to hear from them. >> what is that that you want to hear from them? >> foremost about this meeting that they had with now what was eight people in that meeting,
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but also on obstruction of justice issues, election issues, basically all of it. >> when you look on the senate side and it's getting to talk of subpoenas, are you surprised by that? >> i suspect that chuck grassley will not have to subpoena mr. manafort or jared kushner. i do think that chuck grassley will follow through with a subpoena if he has to, i hope, and it won't come to that. >> it's come to the threat. when you look at donald trump jr. and you look at paul manafort and they haven't accepted these invitations, which seem a little bit inevitable, does it tell you anything about a choice they could be making? >> it's quite possible. they could be making the decision that they're just going to cooperate with the special council and they don't want to deal with the senate or the house. they may be a decision they've made with their lawyers. chuck grassley has the ability as a chairman to subpoena them and bring them forward. at that point, they would have to take the fifth amendment. >> thank you so much.
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congressman joaquin castro, we appreciate your time today. coming up, more on the breaking news, the white house insisting president trump stands by attorney general jeff sessions after the president expresses his regrets about appointing sessions in the first place. plus today's remarkable testimony that led up to the decision on parol for o.j. simpson. >> i've always thought i've been pretty good with people and i've basically spent a conflict-free life. day 13. if only this were as easy as saving $600 when you switch to progressive. winds stirring. too treacherous for a selfie. [ camera shutter clicks ] sure, i've taken discounts to new heights with safe driver and paperless billing. but the prize at the top is worth every last breath. here we go. [ grunts ] got 'em. ahh. wait a minute. whole wheat waffles? [ crying ] why!
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stands by attorney skbrrl jeff sessions even though the president told the "new york times" he never would have appointed sessions if he'd known the attorney general would recuse himself from the russia investigation. gloria, we've known for some time from sources that the president would fume, even not so privately, i think before a number of people, about jeff sessions, recusing himself. he was so upset about this, but he elaborated about this in the "new york times," let's listen. >> sessions gets the job. right after he gets the job, he recuses himself. >> is that a mistake? >> well, sessions should have never recused himself. and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job, and i would have picked somebody else. >> it's astounding. and you have sessions today saying he's staying on, but what do you think is going on with
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his future employment in the trump administration? >> well, i think we're going to have to stay tuned. i think given what donald trump said it's very possible that at some point he could fire him or that at some point, jeff sessions would decide, you know, that he had to resign and that his relationship with the president was pretty much untenable. i think what this also tells us, on sort of a larger stage is tells us an awful lot about the president's attitude towards the department of justice and the people who serve in it. it seems to me that he believes they serve him and not the country at large because the recusal was about the fact that you don't want the public to believe that there is any kind of a conflict of interest that the attorney general would have in any case, whether it involves a president of the united states or anybody else. this one happened to involve the president of the united states. and it also gives you a sense about how he feels about sort of the independence and the
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professionalism of the people who serve there because he was also critical, not only of jeff sessions, but he was critical of andrew mccabe over at fbi, rosenstein because he made the mistake of being from baltimore, a democratic town. and it went on and on. >> and new york city, we should point out. which makes donald trump unusual as well. chuck grassley said, obviously a very important voice republican in the senate, he said that this is someone who's supposed to be the wing man of the american people, not the wingman of the president. >> look at -- to gloria's point, look in the excerpts that the "new york times" released, donald trump repeatedly says, he put the president in a tough spot. it was very unfair to the president. now number one, amazing use of the third person there by donald trump, right? the president is you, but yeah, that's how he thinks. this is -- i think you have to -- it's donald trump is the hub and everything else is a
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spoke. literally everything else in the whole world. so everything that happens is how does this impact me and oftentimes, why -- victimhood thing, why is this being done to me? why did jeff sessions recuse himself and hurts me rather than saying. this is probably the right thing to do for the country. >> the former -- sorry, go on. >> i was just talking to an official who is familiar with this situation who is very familiar with the president's thinking on this, and then on other things who said two things, one is, jeff sessions showed weakness, and two, jeff sessions surprised donald trump. and it was a double whammy when it comes to the way that donald trump perceives a person, especially layperson who works for him, which is why he wasn't able to get over this for the past many, many months as you said. we knew about it realtime that he was angry, and he just sort of, you know, let it out in this
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"new york times" article just now. the other thing though is that he -- i'm told he knows, is that getting a replacement for jeff sessions, which means senate confirmation, isn't going to be easy. and wouldn't be easy. now, you know, he's certainly that could have been the case with james comey and he was so angry he fired him anyway. that ends well on that because his nominee now for fbi director, it has bipartisan support, but the attorney general is a political job and that is something that is quite different. maybe he understands that now. >> let's listen -- i want to listen to something that donald trump said about robert mueller, the special council, and what really -- where he thinks the parameters of his investigation should be, let's listen. >> mueller was looking at your finances and your family's finances unrelated to russia, is that a red line? >> would that be a breach of what his actual party is? >> i would say yes. by the way, i would say, i don't -- i mean it's possible, i
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saw a lot of condo units and somebody from russia buys a condo, who knows. i don't make money from russia. in fact, i put out a letter saying that i don't make -- from one of the most highly respected law firms and accounting firms. i don't have buildings in russia. they said i own buildings in russia, i don't. they said i made money from russia. it's not my thing. i don't, i don't do that. >> is robert mueller going to be checking into some condos soon then, do you think? >> or maybe he already is. >> yeah. >> i mean, it's certainly -- the fact that the president brought that up unsolicited, not the idea of looking into the finances, but the condo in particular. looked like he could tell. >> i mean, look, the question is what is the fbi looking into? what is robert mueller looking into? it's clear to me that the president believes that this is kind of a red line, that mueller shouldn't cross because that's not within his purview. >> but it's not up to the
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president, right? >> well, hello, exactly. >> fire him though, you're right, gloria. it shouldn't be, but remember, it would be politically disadvantageous, i would argue, but he theoretically could do it -- >> you're saying maybe it'll happen. stick around, we have so much more to talk about. we're going to be back with our panel in just a moment. are made with smarttrack®igners material to precisely move your teeth to your best smile. see how invisalign® treatment can shape your smile up to 50% faster today at
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we're back now with our political specialist dana bash, chris, and gloria.
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so the president that has interview with the "new york times," and in it, he again denies knowing until recently that his son donald jr. along with jared kushner and then campaign chairman paul manafort met with a group of russians in june 2016. here was his answer to the "new york times." >> i just heard there was an e-mail, requesting a meeting or something, yeah, requesting a meeting. that they have information on hillary clinton. and i said, i mean, that's standard political stuff. >> did you know at the time they had the meeting? >> no, i didn't know anything about the meeting. but it must have been important -- must have been a very unimportant meeting, i never heard about it. >> no one told you a word, nothing. >> no. >> no, i didn't know. which was very unimportant meeting. >> sounds like he's saying i just haebd the e-mail, does that mean i heard only about the e-mail or recently heard about the e-mail? >> not clear. >> it's hard to tell.
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it's hard to tell from the context and then goes on to another thing. it's hard to follow up on. it's not -- some people said, oh, he got caught in his own time and trap. i'm not sure it's that. the one thing i would take issue with is, when your eldest son who is one of your senior advisors, the then campaign chairman paul manafort and your son-in-law, three of the four most powerful people on the campaign are all in a meeting, given what we know about the other people in the meeting, it's odd or i heard it was unimportant. >> and he had just had lunch with senators, right? >> when he did the interview. >> he said i've had -- i've talked to a lot of people, and they've said essentially that donald trump jr., anyone would have taken this meeting, and turns out he's talking about a couple senators. we don't even know which ones. >> which ones have said they would take the meet kpg. >> that's right. but he didn't say. >> let's just be clear. this is his -- this is his strategy, it has been his
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strategy since the first time he reacted to this at all. to try to reset and reframe the reality, which he has done in his life many times successfully. so, of course, at age 71, he's going to continue it, but, you know, got a lot of success including the presidency of the united states to say things over and over again, and say it enough. and you hope that you make it true. >> yeah. >> however, the more he says it, with the more it does not necessary make it true because over and over, we can say, those of us who have covered politicians and political campaigns and talking to them that this is not a meeting that they would take or should take. >> and first of all, i would look at the -- i would try and -- if i were the president's lawyer, i would try and pin him down on this timeline here. what he heard and when he heard it. because in listening to that interview it was all over the place. did he know about e-mail and not
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know what occurred about the meeting. did he not know about either until it was over? it's just still kind of unclear to me, and what he's trying to do as dana points out, diminish all of this, which is it was just another one of those research meetings, and my son, don jr. did absolutely nothing wrong, and neither did anybody else who attended it. no consequence and it really didn't seem to matter what was in the e-mail. >> the reporters here tried to get at the fact that just a few hours after this meeting that donald trump jr. had, donald trump himself on the campaign trail uses sort of a different rhetorical flourish or making a point about hillary clinton's e-mails, and he says in this, you know, like whatever, basically says, i was hitting her so hard, this isn't any different than what i was doing before. >> he remark -- not remarkably, overuse in a word, he uses a quote, his language, i'm paraphrasing, the only thing
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worse is she shot someone. infamously calls up his line in iowa in january 2016, i could shoot someone on fifth avenue and my supporters would still be with me. it is a significant coincidence, i would say, that he -- i remember that, it was the california primary night, june -- >> 7th. >> and he says, very soon we're going to come out with stuff that's going to shock you about hillary clinton. now, to dana's point, he often just says stuff. i mean, that should not be taken as evidence. that oh well, he must have known because in two weeks, he's going to do everything under the sun and he's going to have the answers in 30 days he's going to have a plan for isis. i'm not sure that's the evidence of it, but it is a significant coincidence. >> the e-mail is important just really quickly, the e smal important because it references sort of almost as a given the russian government's support for donald trump. right? >> that's one of the main reasons. there are several reasons why it's important, but that is for sure one of them.
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and from a guy, rob goldstone who the trump people now and the christian people are trying to kind of blow off as a bombastic p.r. person, but talk to people who have more of a knowledge of the people he worked for, he's more of a fixer and in the know guy than just a publicist. >> dana, chris, gloria, thank you so much. coming up, does president trump support attorney general jeff sessions? or does he wish he never appointed him? could the answer really be both. and next, what went into today's decision to parol o.j. simpson and what did not? >> the majority of the opposition letters are asking us to consider your 1995 acquittal and subsequent civil judgment, however, these items will not be considered in this case. thank you. >> thank you. on mi came across this housentry with water dripping from the ceiling. you never know when something like this will happen. so let the geico insurance agency help you with homeowners insurance and protect yourself from things like fire,
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we're back now with cnn political editor at large as we talk about what's really an extraordinary interview that president trump gave the "new york times." a number of topics that they covered, but one was health care which has been so overshadowed by all of this -- all of the russia investigations, plural, and this was something that the president said about the challenges that he's facing with health care. he said pre-existing conditions are a tough deal because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you're 21 years old, you start working and you're paying $12 a year, note that, for insurance and by the time you're 70 you get a nice plan. here's something where you walk up and say, i want my insurance. it's a very tough deal but it is something that we're doing a good job of. >> what does that mean? >> i don't understand.
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>> all of those are english words that i recognize. >> $12 -- no one pays $12 a year. >> put together it's sort of out of context, out of touch, and it doesn't make any sense. if you read the exercerpts that the "new york times" puts out and i would urge folks to do it, he is all over the place. he really kind of -- one minute he's talking about russians and their ability to fight in the cold. he's talking about napoleon and literally in the next sentence he says things are going well, the economy is strong. >> and he's steering it in these different ways. >> steering it is a kind way of saying what he's doing. i think he's just riffing. i think that's his sort of m.o. on health care the thing i was struck by in addition to the 21-year-olds are paying $12 a year is the fact that he's so self-conscious and aware, for someone to say he tests the media and it's so fake, he's so
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aware of what's being written about him. >> this is the quote. you know, a lot of the papers were saying actually these guys couldn't belief it -- talking about the senators who had just been at the white house. these guys couldn't believe how much i know about it. i know a lot about health care. >> what do you see there? he cuts himself off because he knows, talking about what the papers are saying about him isn't good. then what does he do? i just met with these senators and they all were amazed at how much i know and then, boy, do i know a lot about health care. he's overcompensating. donald trump has never been in his business life and particularly in his political life, he's never been a details guy. he's the face, the brand, the salesman. he's not the guy who comes in and says, on page 27 -- that's not him. >> and we know that privately these senators are frustrated that he doesn't know the details. >> and we've heard that reporting for months that he's not engaged in the policy details. >> he talked so much about
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hillary clinton, he mentioned her almost a dozen times in this interview. >> this is all part and parcel, i think, brianna, of the constant talking about the popular vote versus the electoral vote. the first three or four months there were maps being brought in he was bringing up at every event he could. the 2016 somewhat for donald trump is a touchstone that proves everything in his life. remember, this is a guy, believe it or not, views himself as someone on the outside looking in all the time. his father was a developer in queens, not manhattan. when he was a developer in manhattan, he wasn't welcomed into the old money crowd there, that he had to make his own golf courses because he wasn't necessarily welcomed into all those golf courses. he comes to washington in 2011 and seth meyers and barack obama make fun of him for a full night at the white house correspondents' dinner. so it was proof positive that he knew better that all the people who were laughing at him were
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now the ones who were wrong so he returns to it over and over and over again because it is so seminal to how he has long viewed the world and the affirmation that he was right. >> he constantly slams the "new york times," and then he invites their marquee reporters in to interview him. >> 50-minute interview on the day he's trying to save health care. >> it's almost 20 pages, right? this is long. does that just reinforce how obsessed he is about the media coverage? >> i think it shows that this is -- he is practicing a strategy in attacking the media. i don't think all of his supporters are aware of that. >> he loves the media but -- >> he consumption more media, whether it's cnn, the "new york times," he consumption more media than any president before him and he understands the power that someone like the "new york times." remember, in an interview with the "new york times," exactly two weeks after he won the 2016 election, he called it a major cru jewel, a crown jewel in the
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world when he was interviewing with them. so that's more what he really believes. the other stuff is him doing political posturing. >> thank you so much. we have breaking news. the white house says president trump does not intend to fire special counsel robert mueller at this time. that's a quote. a day after the president warned mueller not to investigate his family finance. and after the president slams his attorney general, the white house insists he still has confidence in jeff sessions. ♪ casper's truly changed our lives.
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two decades after he was a defendant in one of the most infamous trials in u.s. history. this hour more on the former nfl star and his rambling remarks about the crime that landed him behind bars. subpoena threat. donald trump jr. and paul manafort are facing a new deadline to agree to testify in the russia investigation. the senate judiciary chairman says he's ready to use his subpoena power if he doesn't get a response within hours. chilling effect. president trump's public bashing of his attorney general is causing alarm among some republicans. jeff sessions says he won't resign as the white house seems to dispute mr. trump's own words by claiming he has confidence in his a.g. and trump unplugged. the president on the attack trashing the russia investigation as well as members of his own administration. we are monitoring the shock waves from his extraordinary and often angry interview. we want to welcome our viewers


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