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it sometimes seems like it's his own version of history. that he's the biggest fan of. >> abraham lincoln, great president. most people don't know he was a republican, right? does anyone know? >> thanks for watching, fareed saturday kara, gps starts right now. this is global public square. welcome to all of you in the u.s. and around the president. >> how would the u.k. and the world grade 2ru7the president's performance so far? well brexit on the horizon, what is the future with europe. i've gathered a great panel to
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discuss that and more. chaos in venezuela. soaring inflation, a crashing economy, violent protests and a president determined to stay in power. this week, donald trump said the u.s. would not let that country crumble. i'll talk to a leader of venezuela's main opposition party. plus, the supreme court has agreed to hear a case that could reshape the american political landscape. the ruling could have a significant impact on district lines nationwide. will the court make elections fairer? and finally, humans as we know them have roamed the earth for tens of thousands of years. are we on the verge of a new kind of human? homo sapian version 2.0. are we ready for that? first, here's my take, at the six month mark of the trump presidency, i'm struck by the path not taken, the lost
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opportunity. during the campaign, trump tapped into a real set of problems facing america. a deep frustration with the existing political system. he embraced and expressed somewhat inconsistently a populism that went beyond the traditional left/right divide. what would things look like if president trump had governed in the manner of a pragmatic jobs oriented reformer who was relentlessly focused on those forgotten americans of whom he often speaks? we have an interesting template to assist our imagination. a small group of pro trump intellectuals, banded together to launch a journal, american affairs, it's the best form for the articulation of the ideology behind trump's rise. there's been so much interest in the journals views on various subjects, the editors opened the second issue with a brief summary of their editorial stance. on the central question of domestic economic policy, american affairs seem markedly
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different from the current administration, and genuinely populous. taken on the center of republican ideology, taxes, the editors professed to be quite skeptical of the conservative orthodoxcy as the cure all for every ill. why corporate tax reform is warranted, they say reducing upper income tax rates is likely to address core economic challenges in any significant way. the editors recommend eliminating mechanisms by which the tax -- embraces large and direct government expenditures on infrastructure. and comes out openly until favor of universal health coverage. needless to say, this has not been the trump agenda, but hearing these intelligent ideas raises the question, why not? all of these policies would have helped the forgotten people who caused trump champions.
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there have been two cardinal features of the trump presidency so far. it has followed a fairly traditional republican agenda, repeal obama care, weaken dodd frank, the only real break with republican tradition has been on foreign policy, where trump is pursuing a truly bizarre and mercurial agenda. embracing autocrats who flatter him and his family. the second define iing situatio. had trump chosen to begin his presidency with a large infrastructure bill, he would have put the democrats in a bind. they would have had to support him. in stead he chose health care. sure to unite his opposition and divide republicans. consequently, very little has actually been done. obama care is not repealed, no
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money has been appropriated for the border wall, nafta is still standing, and there are no tax reforms or infrastructure bills or even an agreement to raise the debt ceiling, donald trump could have quickly reshaped american politics. he articulated what people wanted to hear. when it came time to deliver, it turned out he had no serious ideas, policies or even the desire to search for them. he just wanted to be president. meeting world leaders, flying on air force one, having oval office photo ops, while delegating the actual policy to others. so far, donald trump has turned out to be far less revolutionary than expected. a standard issue, pretty incompetent one, wrapped in populous clothing. for more, go to, and read my washington post column this week. let's get started.
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let's get to my panel. ann applebaum and john, who writes political thrillers under the name sam bourne. the populous revolt and the future of politics. ann, i have to start with you, there's something very big happening in poland, thousands -- in fact tens of thousands of people protesting on the streets right now. explain what's happening, and do you think that donald trump's visit to poland in some way encouraged this process? >> this is the culmination of almost a year and a half of
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measures. we had a government elected in poland which ran as a standard a little bit to the right government, but has ruled very radically and has undermined the press, has taken over the army, has made a lot of radical policy choices. and most recently they enacted a series of laws which would curtail the independence of the judiciary, essentially allow the government to dismiss the entire supreme court and reappoint it. that's why you're seeing demonstrations in the street. >> did trump have something to do with it? >> trump arrived right at the moment when they were about to announce these laws and seemed to appear to endorse the government. he very carefully described the west as a civilization somehow opposed to islam or maybe even opposed to russia, but a civilization, rather than instead of democratic ideals and principles. and the polish government heard
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that and thought, right, he's on our side. others are critical of us, but the united states will bacchus. >> and the washington post has editorialized, they called this the trump effect, he went to pole anned and encouraged a certain behavior, he went to saudi arabia and encouraged certain policy reform behaviors. david, do you look at this and say it's too radical? >> populism in europe is -- these parties are relatively uninfluential, some of them in governments, in eastern europe, it's slightly different. the whole government is populous in some way. that reflects history, the huge rall cal effects of joining the european union quickly after the
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end of communism. perhaps in retrospect that whole process happened too quickly. >> you think this may be the natural growing pains of -- >> yes, i think to some extent. and some of it is pretty ugly, but i think we do have to keep it in that perspective. these scientists have been involved in huge disruptions. we talk of this as if it's new. it reflects the language we're hearing at the time of the iraq war. old europe and new europe. old europe where the new guys are on our side. and old europe, where france and germany. >> there's a big difference isn't there? in that period, what bush felt he should do, is make the case for universal democratic norms. he understood, and the american policies understood, these are fledgling democracies or
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emerging from tyranny. if democracy is fragile, you have to shore it up. he didn't speak in those universal terms, in liberal democratic nor iic norms. instead, as if it was a sectarian conflict in europe, a judeo-christian europe along with some unnamed other. what trump doesn't say when he goes to these places, he doesn't do the american boilerplate of free press, independent judiciary, the stuff we used to learn to tune out, because we were so used to it from every president. he doesn't say that. the people in those countries hear what he's not saying and take that as a cue. >> do you think theresa may is looking to donald trump as some kind of support as britain navigates its post-eu existence. >> yes, i think theresa may
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feels isolated. she was the first european leader to go to washington. she was looking for something that would give her government the appearance of having allies somewhere else. that's backfired because he's so unpopular, he's openly attacked the mayor of london, in the wake of several terrorist attacks. she's in an odd position where he's her only ally, but she doesn't want to talk about it. >> do you think he'll come to visit? >> it's hard to say, there would be demonstrations here if he came. >> he has agreed to come only when he's welcome. i think he wanted it to be like saudi arabia, i want you to fix it. if he's serious to only come when he's popular, he should put a date in his book, never. he's held himself to a position where he may have a long wait. >> i think theresa may has
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played a good game. don't forget. i mean, if hillary clinton had been elected, everyone assumed she would be, we would now be very isolated after brexit, presumably hillary clinton would have taken the same line that obama took, you know, you're at the back of the cue for any kind of trade deal. it has been very important having trump there for the u.k. he has been talking about being the first in the cue to do a trade deal with britain after we leave. i think it is tricky, she's playing that old british game of trying to be the british who act as the bridge between the unruly americans and the civilized europeans. when she had that first visit she got some language out of him about nato and article five, which he sent before.
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just imagine the situation where everyone in europe including the brits are against him. you wonder if things would have gotten more unstable. we have to take a break. coming up, we'll discuss charlie guard, who should guide what happens to a child in desperate condition. when we come back.
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that vladimir putin was not? he's united the europeans? >> it's true, i think about that point, there's a common adversary, people like that, you saw that really clearly in the g-20, when the united states was isolated on climate change. it was hard to think of another example of that where it was 19 to 1. it's serious business for the united states to lose that kind of soft power. the united states has rested on military force and hard power, but on it's power of moral authority. that is draining away every day donald trump is in the white house. people observe these stories and are amused by them. american is less to be listened to in the world. it will come back under different leadership, but for now, that is the feeling, and that has helped unite europe, the other thing it's done is invigorated leadership in paris,
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emmanuel macron has suggested their decline is back. angela merkel is established as the most stable leader in the world, actually, the two of them have made europe walk with a spring in its step, and again, there's a reading from london, which is brexit. let's leave this structure of europe in decline, you look at the economic numbers and it's britain who's lagging behind. and it's europe that has new confidence. >> you wrote this wonderful book about people, the somewheres, the anywheres, does trump follow the same pattern? is he a break from it? >> yes, i think the -- my book is essentially about the value divisions of enriched democracies and the large number of populations, perhaps almost a third who tend to be highly educated and mobile, and value openness and autonomy.
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>> you called it anyway, because they can move anyway? >> they tend not to be very rude, they tend not to have strong group attachments. we have half the population, that tends to be less educated. and they do still have strong group attachments. >> they derive their identity from the place. you call them somewheres? >> yeah. and there's no question, the brexit vote was a revolt of the somewheres, the politics, that more than a generation has been completely dominated by the priorities. and the same in america. it was trump who drew his support very much from people that came from those left behind communities. you do see this bigger picture playing out in the european union. the european union is a very anywhere institution, and for the first 50 years of its existence, it enormously
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outperformed expectations. it was extraordinary successful. it's been a different story. i think you can see from the mid-90s all the projects have failed. it has been a disaster in much of the continent. it's a short term thing enlargement has not been a crisis. not to mention, second order things like ukraine. and that is partly because it is partly a post national kind of institution. at a time when people still look to the nation state first. we have to go to the charlie guard story. this child who is in very bad condition, has his doctors at a
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british hospital that say you should not move him, let him die in this hospital. the parents have raised money through a campaign by the daily mail and such, to move him to america. a court is going to decide this this week. what should happen? >> well, i think -- i'm not a medical or legal authority, and yet that has not prevented many people to weigh-in on this debate. it's a terrible traj by for that family. what's become so noticeable is how it's become immediately politicized. you have a whole lot of people who are defending the family's right to decide against the establishment. against the experts, against those who are wagging their finger and telling us what to do. there's some overlap in fact even of the personnel of the campaign with the patients. you get the anti-european and populous party. it's part of this overall mood, which is a flight from science and data, and as if that's
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unfeeling, and what matters more is what people feel? >> my main takeaway is that it's extraordinary how this british story has been interpreted in the american context as an argument about our health care system. americans only see the world through their own eyes and politics. just another example of it. >> it was about how in britain, with the universal health care. >> evil state institutions against the values of the private family. >> the government is deciding whether the parents -- >> super simplification -- >> people don't think of the nhs so much as the government. it's more your doctors deciding. next on gms. this week donald trump said the u.s. willing not stand by as venezuela crumbles, what did he mean as venezuela's president takes steps to rewrite the constitution. i'll talk to the leader of the main opposition party when we come back.
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violence has fled in venezuela, amid a worsening economic crisis in recent months. the president persevered with plans to rewrite that country's constitution, this week, donald trump weighed in, accusing the dictator of having dreams of becoming a dictate i. and threatening him with sanctions. a special assembly will rewrite the constitution. i'm joined by the leader of venezuela's parliament, which is controlled by the opposition. welcome. can you explain to us how likely is it that president maduro will
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succeed in rewriting the constituti constitution? >> one week ago we have huge administration from convenieven people. 7,500 go to the street a very peaceful way, in order to cast a vote to say to the government and the world, that we don't want a constitutional assembly. what we want in venezuela is very simple but very deep. we want free elections according to the current constitutions, and what we want is that maduro will have to respect the current constitution. maduro is out of the constitution right now, and the whole world, and the whole venezuelan people is pushing him in order to follow the rule of law, the checks and balance and the values of democracy in
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venezuela. >> it seems to me that while hugo chavez, his predecessor was able to rule with a certain kind of populous charm, with a lot of oil money, in those days oil prices were high, he has ruled much more using force, using the army, are you worried that there could be some kind of a normal civil war like atmosphere developing in convenient venezu? >> well, i don't think that we are close to a civil war in venezuela. a civil war is supposed to have two equal sides. that is not the case in venezuela, what we want in venezuela, what we have is the whole country, the whole democratic people in venezuela, which is 90% of the population, against a minority, who is in
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power right now, and it has no respect for the law, has no respect for the economy, for human rights. so there is no divided society in venezuela right now, as it was when chavez was alive. these are changing in venezuela dramatically. what we have right now is the whole country looking for democracy, looking for an open economy, looking for social justice and this is right now, what maduro wants to stop in order to be in power all the time that he can to be in power, without no rules and without no control over power. >> what would you like to see from the united states, and specifically from donald trump? >> well, we have been calling to international community.
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not only the united states, latin america, european union, the vatican, the united states. the whole democratic community in the world, and we are calling for this week, which is crucial for convenient ez wail larks in order to go with us, in order to stop the constitutional assembly, in order to stop the constitutional assembly, in order to open a real and deep negotiation with the participation of the international community, and to build a real agreement in which we can go to the people in order to ask for a new government, a new -- even a new parliament, whatever it means to go do real elections in venezuela, and to go out to this crisis, to this violence that we are living right now. >> one of the tragedies i've been watching is that you have millions of venezuelans, tens of
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thousands at least, hundreds of thousands, fleeing and you have the strange example of venezuelans migrating to other countries. i say strange, because as you know, for many decades, it was people from all over latin america who would 234r50e their countries and come to venezuela, they would flee bad, oppressive, populous rah gomes from other countries and coming to venezue venezuela. now it's venezuelans that are leaving. do you fear the economy is in a free fall? >> yeah, it's really important. venezuela is not only a venezuelan problem right now, it goes abroad our borders, it's a regional problem. we almost have a million people in colombia.
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in the case, of florida. the election we made last sunday, almost 300,000 venezuelan vote. they were voting venezuelan people all over the world, and we have become unfortunately a country that is expelling out venezuelans to other countries. this is part of the theme that we are not only a regional problem, but a global problem, and we need the help to other democracies in order to change where we are living right now in venezuelan, and to become -- another country open in a democratic way with social justice and opportunity for all. >> we wish you all the very best, sir. next on gps. the u.s. supreme court has agreed to hear a case that could
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now for our what in the world segment. in june the supreme court agreed to hear a case about gerrymandering, gill versus whitford, which could reshape the american landscape for generations. i'm not exaggerating, the case could be that monumental. a little background. in 2010, wisconsin republicans and their newly elected governor scott walker rested both the legislature and governorship from the democrats. they quickly took advantage of that opportunity and behind closed doors, came up with a scheme to gerrymander wisconsin's state assembly districts to ensure future republican control according to the washington post. the plan worked.
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republicans received only 48.6% of the vote, but they managed to gain 60 of wisconsin's 99 state assembly seats. this led to charges of a rigged election. and now the has agreed to hear the case. it could haimpact how state and congressional districts are apportioned all across the united states that's why they sent shock waves across the american landscape. look at some of the most egregious examples of gerrymandering in texas, pennsylvania, illinois and maryland. gerrymandering has been one of the more compelling explanations behind the republican control of congress since 2010. if we look at all the actual votes cast in the last three congressional elections.
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we find that republicans have won a lopsided number of seats when compared with the votes they received. the democrats received 1.3% more votes than republicans. yet the republicans gained a 7.8% majority in congress. they wound up with 34 more seats than the democrats republicans won 5.8% more votes but overpowered the democrats by taking in 59 more seats than the democrats. in this last congressional election, republicans won the total number of votes by a marrow margin of 1%, and managed to walk away with 11% more congressional seats. these numbers show there is a significant electoral bias toward republicans in congress. and according to an analysis by the brennen center for justice, a sizable portion of the pro
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republic bias stems from deliberate manipulation of maps. that is a strong contributor to the current republican majority in the house. however, many in the gop -- republicans say they can command more congressional seats because their numbers are spread out in more rural areas in the nation. there is some truth to that. how do we better balance urban and rural republican and democratic voters to create fairer congressional districts. >> some states are getting it right. they've taken the politics out of congressional redirecting. by creating bipartisan redirecting commissions. another solution might exist in a washington post article that created an algorithm to
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redistrict opinion as we talk about two scholars who come up with an effect iive gerrymandering. there are nonpartisan ways to bring some fairness back to congress. the supreme court could well rule on wisconsin's redirecting case in its upcoming term. let's hope they frank wish the loathe some gerrymander once and for all. the mercedes-benz you've always longed for. but hurry, these shooting stars fly by fast. lease the c300 for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing.
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the last time i interviewed president obama in the white house, i asked him for book recommendations, the book he spoke about -- >> it's a sweeping history of the human race.
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from 40,000 feet. and gives you a sense of perspective in how briefly we've been on this earth. >> now he's written a sequel to that first book. the next one is called homodias. welcome. >> it's good to be here. >> your last book was about the three big revolutions that produced the modern human being. the cognitive revolution, how the brain developed, then you had the agricultural revolution and then the scientific revolution. that brings us to hear, but now you seem to be implying that basically we're going to become post humans or more powerful than human beings with the aid of computers and computer technology. >> not just computers but bioengineering. in effect we have gained control
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of the world outside us, the an will mas, the forests, the rivers, now we're trying to gain control of the world inside us. >> and you see this -- >> in some sense we've been doing this for a while, using medicine in various ways to strengthen the body, the brain, you see this in the physical realities of human beings today. why is this an inflexion point? >> first, the aim changes from healing yourself or healing the body to upgrading. for thousands of years, we have this normal human health, if you fall below the norm, we give you a push to get you back to the norm, now the ideas is let's go beyond the norm and start upgrading. >> are these really -- is this really an upgrade or are we using machines to enhance what we do? so much of what has happened so
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far is? kind of very fancy prosthetic limb or enhancement to muscle power. the computers after all are still assisting the human being in various sinces. do you see us or the machine is actually taking over? >> yeah. i think that we'll see that humans fuse with the smartphones to the computers, to the degree they can't be separated, not even physically. we will also see -- we are already seeing authority shifting away from humans to external algorithms. for thousands of years we have accumulated more and more power in human hands. now it's beginning to change and power and authority shifts away from us to these algorithms because maybe we are just no longer capable of making sense of what's happening in the world. there is too much data, too much change. we don't even know the most
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basic things about how to world would look like in 30 yeesars. of course there were paualways things we didn't know about the future. but about the basics, you knew that even in 30 years most people will be peasants and men will dominate women. but 30 years from now nobody has a clue how the job market would look like. we have no idea what to teach kids in school today so that they will have the necessary skill, skills for the world of 2040. we keep teaching them the old stuff. i mean, most experts agree that there r this will be irrelevant by the time they are 40 but nobody really knows what to teach them instead. >> compared po peter teal who says that the promise of the scientific rev luges of today
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have been vastly overhyped, that we were expecting flying cars and all we ended up with were 140 characters. you say when we look at these revolutions in biotechnology and in artificial intelligence it's actually the opposite problem. it's going to be so profound we don't know what's going to happen. >> exactly. it takes time. people in the industry think in terms of months and then you don't see much change. but if you think in terms of decades or in terms of a century or two, i think it's very likely that we're one of the last generations of ho mo sme sapian that in a century or two we'll be replaced by something homos
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>> just as the neanderthals couldn't imagine wall street or the capital system, we can't imagine what might be in 50 or 100 years. >> people would have that wall street is neanderthals. but let me ask you. does this scare you? >> i think it should scare everybody. not just me. of course there are positive potentials for all of this. you could have very cheap health care for your smartphone for billions of people that today don't have health care at all, once you have ai doctors. but there is a dangerous potential. i mean in the past we used our power over the world outside us to manipulate this world. but because we didn't fully understand the complexity of the world outside us, the result is ecological collapse which we are now facing. we may do the same thing when we gain control of the world inside us. we'll try to manipulate our
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bodies, our brains, our minds. but because we are very far from understanding the complexity of our internal ecological system, the result might be an internal ecological disaster. >> on that sober note we're going to have to end. come back. this is fascinating. >> thank you. next on gps, one country's crude oil exports are skyrockets and it may not be where you would expect. i'll explain when we come back. a trip back to the dthe doctor's office, mean just for a shot. but why go back there, when you can stay home... ...with neulasta onpro? strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection. neulasta helps reduce infection risk by boosting your white blood cell count, which strengthens your immune system.
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no, you're not jimmy. don't let directv now limit your entertainment. xfinity gives you more to stream to more screens. the world's largest oil company is gearing up for an initial public offering that the kingdom hopes will value the company as high as $2 trillion. it brings me to my question. which country is expected to become a top ten oil exporter by 2020 join iing saudi arabia on that list. is it china, qatar, mexico or the united states. stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is a terrific new book on india,
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the relentless invention of mods dern india by adam roberts. there have been many such books on india by western reporters, amused by its chaos and color. this one captures india today best with all of its promises and pitfalls. the answer to my question is d. by 2020 the united states will export t export 2.25 billion barrels of crude oil every day. the u.s. is now the third largest crude oil export ner the world but historically most of america's production has been consumed at home. after president obama signed a bill lifting a 40-year ban on oil exports in 2015, american overseas sales sikyrocketed and
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now -- >> we will be dominant. >> with this president and his former exxonmobil ceo secretary of state, perhaps the answer to my question was not so surprising after all. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week and i will see you next week. happening now in the newsroom -- >> eight people dead in the back of that trailer. >> tragedy in texas. more than 30 people found packed in a sweltering tractor trailer in a walmart parking lot. >> we're looking at a human trafficking crime here. plus congress agrees on new russian sanctions and the bill could be hitting the president's desk very soon. >> he hasn't made the decision yet to sign that bill one way or the other. >> we suspect where the legislation is now. and jared kushner's meeting with russians. >> my very close friend jared kushner is going to testify tomorrow. i predict that will