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election. he also doesn't know if he will hit russia with sanctions. the revelations among others came during a lengthy interview with cnn's jake tapper. >> somebody said to me yesterday, i won't tell you who, that if the russians actually hacked this situation and spilled out those e-mails, you would have never seen it, you would have never had any evidence of them, meaning they're super confident in their deception skills and hacking. my point is, all of the information isn't on the table yet, but here's what i know about the president. >> anthony -- >> let me finish. >> you're making a lot of assertions here, i don't know who this anonymous person is -- >> how about it was the president, jake? >> okay, it's the consensus of the intelligence community. >> he basically said hey, maybe they did it, maybe they didn't do it.
>> this is the issue here, we have experts, the u.s. intelligence agencies, unanimous both obama appointees and trump appointees, the director of national intelligence, the head of the national security agency, the head of the fbi. i mean, all of these intelligence experts saying russia hacked the election, they tried to interfere in the election, no votes were changed, president trump is correcting it, and you're siding with president trump. >> i didn't say i was siding with president trump. >> this is exactly the point. you have a bill, legislation that was passed 98-2 in the u.s. senate. the house is about to pass it, it will probably also be an overwhelming vote to sanction russia. president trump told you that he still doesn't believe that russia was trying to interfere in the election. even though the overwhelming
body of the u.s. senate, and his own intelligence experts are telling him the opposite, you're saying you're going to side with the president, don't you owe a duty to the truth? >> what about the conversation are you missing, jake. there are checks and balances in the system for a reason. the president will make that decision when he makes a decision. you're telling me that something is true that could in fact be true. once i've cleared my security clearances and looked at the stuff, if i think it's true, behind closed doors, i'll turn to the president and say, sir, i think this is true, i don't have it in front of me now. >> my question is about the fact that a geo political foe of the united states interfere in the u.s. election, according to every intelligence expert, both under the obama administration and trump administration, the one person in the government who says it's not true is president trump -- >> well, i got to -- again, one of the reasons why he's upset
about it, is that this sort of -- the mainstream media position on this, that they interfered in the election, it actually -- in his mind, what are you guys suggesting, you're going to delegitimize his victory. >> no? >> is that going to make his victory illegitimate? >> no. >> he legitimately won the presidency. >> absolutely. >> so at the end of the day, let him make the decision, and as i said to you, once i got security clearance and meet with those people myself, if i think it's true, i'm going to turn to the president honestly and say, sir, i think this is true. >> within the last hour, the president tweeted this, as the phony russian witch hunt continues, two groups are laughing at this excuse. democrats and russians. >> joining me to discuss, the associate dean of yale law
school also with us, julian zelzer. asha, i want to give you the first chance to respond to hearing that the president still does not believe russia meddled in the u.s. election. >> yes, ana, i'm not sure what to say about what i guess is willful ignorance of what is being presented to him, but back here on earth, the intelligence community has unanimously said that the russians interfered in our election, and what i would suggest to scaramucci, is though he doesn't have his security clearance yet, there are some publicly available cases that do demonstrate -- just russian intelligence efforts generally over the last decade. in 2010 we charged 10 russian spies who were here under not official cover in new york city. that complaint details a lot of
the russians methods and sources and the way that they were operating. they were swapped for u.s. spies who were jailed in russia. in 20115, a russian banker, acting under russian intelligence. who was here trying to get information and intelligence on sanctions, and recruiting u.s. people, he was prosecuted. and most importantly, in february of this year, two russian intelligence agents were charged in federal court in san francisco for being behind the hack of 500 million accounts at yahoo. those intelligence agents were part of the fsb, which is a law enforcement agency in russia, which is supposedly trying to help us catch cyber criminals. another reason why this is not a great deal. this does show that the fbi, nsa and cia do catch the russians,
so, you know, the russians aren't going to get away with it. they're not so deceptive they can beat us, we are better than them. these are all available on justice.gov, it makes for some good reading. >> the intelligence agencies did put forward and make public their findings in october, the word classified to the american public. once he has a look to take a look at the data, has a definitive answer himself, he'll make that known to the president. is he painting himself into a corner here, if he needs to contradict the president once he gets the security clearance? >> we'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he's already raising all kinds of questions which really aren't questions right now. he's opening up something that doesn't need to be opened up.
he'll paint himself into a corner, but my suspicion is, he'll be loyal to the president given the statements he made today and the evidence we already have. there's not much reason to continue with this argument. >> in that clip we just played, the president told him yesterday, if the russians hacked the situation, and spilled out those e-mails, you would have never seen it, you would have never had any evidence of them. is that what president trump believes? does he think the russians are more skilled than his own intelligence officials? >> that seems to be what he's implying, i worked counter intelligence investigations. the russians are a worthy adversary, but we are better. the fact that we have all of this information and intelligence that has been clearly presented to him demonstrates that they had -- we have detected it i'm not sure
what else to say about this. this is troubling to me. it's as if a president after 9/11 had said, i don't believe al qaeda is behind the 9/11 attacks. what would we have said at that point? ultimately he's the one that needs to take action, though i think the sanctions bill is an important step and i hope it will be able to go into effect. >> i want you to hear what scaramucci said whether president trump will sign the bill. >> skoongal leaders have reached an agreement on sanctions to punish russia. is president trump going to sign the russian sanctions bill? >> we have to ask president trump that. it's my second or third day on the job, my guess is, that he's
going to make that decision shortly. >> the administration is supportive of being tough on russia, particularly in putting these sanctions in place. and we support where the legislation is now, and we'll continue working with the house and senate to put those tough sanctions in place on russia. >> do you see this as a mixed message? kean who are we to believe? >> it's not a mixed ma, the administration has not been tough on the russians. it's been pretty soft in its attitude and rhetoric, of all the people who president trump met with at the g20, it was putin who got the most attention. >> he said the president hasn't decided whether he's going do sign the bill. yet we hear from sarah huckabee sanders, yes, he's supportive of this. >> he's either going to support it or he won't. if he doesn't, there will be a lot of questions from a republican congress that had bipartisan support for the bill, if he does it, he can actually at least take a step forward
showing he is serious about the threat. not just from the election, but other kinds of expansionist activities that russia has undertaken. >> what's your take on this bill? is it congress saying they don't trust president trump to do the right thing when it comes to ya? >> i think they are making a statement on what our policies should be, and i think we should speak with one voice. it would send a terrible message if trump didn't sign on to this bill, because the russians are watching, and they're going to take these as signals for how aggressive they can be here. already i think there have been signals to them, that they have a green light. i mean, it's important to understand that this isn't something that just ended in the past. russian intelligence operations are ongoing. and at some level, the stance that we take very publicly is going to influence how aggressive they are in their intelligence operations. >> we talked with mike rodgers, the former chairman of the
intelligence committee here who had our special last night on c cnn. he said he believes there are more russian agents working here in the u.s. than there were during the cold war. >> scaramucci admitted the white house does have a communications problem. specifically about leakers. >> i'm going to have a meeting with the communications staff and say, i don't like these leaks. we're going to stop the leaks, if we don't stop the leaks, i'm going to stop you sean spicer went so far as to check people's cell phones to stop the leaks. >> we heard this in the obama administration, but there's limits to what you can do, especially in the current age. where media is so easy in some ways, and social media offers all kinds of outlets, they'll
try to clamp down, try to intimidate and threaten. that's one thing an administration can do. they could take away cell phones, i don't think it will help, are the leakers the problem or are the cause of a lot of the leaks, the frustrations in the white house, some of the things the president does to his own party and own white house, maybe if they solve those or dealt with those, some of the leaks would stop. >> how about a just having more transparen transparency. >> we know jared kushner will be interviewed by senate staffers tomorrow, this is not under oath, and donald trump jr., paul manafort, they're supposed to be interviewed by senate judiciary committee members as soon as this week. all of these meetings are closed door is that good or bad? >> in the long run it's good. this isn't, it's not going to satisfy the public's need and desire to hear what they have to say. what happens when something is
behind closed doors is. congress doesn't do this kabuki performance where they're grandstanding for the cameras, they can ask more substantive questions and remember even those these are not under oath they can still be prosecuted. they can't lie. presumably mueller at some point will be able to get these answers they're being locked down into their stories. these interviews don't preclude them from being called into a public hearing. overall, it's a good thing to get more detailed and extensive answers to what's going on. >> thank you both. >> while the white house says it's unclear to the president whether russia is 1r068ed in meddling in last year's election. there is zero doubt in the
intelligence committee. >> can you just tell us, is there any dissent within the intelligence community that you oversee on the question of whether the russians interfered with the american election. >> there's no dissent and i stated that publicly. and stated it to the president. >> no, dissent, here's the president's cia director, mike pompeo about. >> i am confident the russians meddled in this election. >> we want to make sure you have all the facts. the trump white house is facing its first real test between israel and the palestinians israel installed security cameras near one of the holiest sites in jerusalem. since friday, four have died in demonstrations and three israelis were killed in a stabbing attack blamed on a palestinian.
a senior official tells cnn, the president's son in law is leading the effort. let's get to ian lee in jerusalem. i want to talk about those security cameras, iz recall installed earlier today. >> it really just boils down to control previously, before this crisis, there was an agreement called the status quo, which included the palestinians, the jordanians and israelis, where the jordanian walk, which is a religious endowment would administer the complex to jews. israel would provide security. after the incident a little over a week ago where two israelis were killed. the gunmen came from this complex and killed them. they installed the cameras to
provide security for this complex. this was seen as a unilateral move as israel is trying to expand its authority. that's seen by the palestinians, jordanians and what has sparked this crisis. it is one that is going to need a political solution. since then we've seen clashes almost every night here. >> disturbing, ian, what can you tell us about the discussions between jared kushner and leaders in that region, and what would it take to stop the violence? >> this really has caused quite a diplomatic problem as well, you do have the arab league which has said israel is playing with fire, you've had condemnation from other countries as well. always urging the palestinians, the jordanians and israelis to come together and find some sort of solution. and that's where we're seeing 9 united states right now. speaking with all three sides, trying to come to some sort of resolution, and just to give you an idea of how bad things have
gotten here, shortly after that attack where those two israeli police officers died, there was a phone call between palestinian president mahmoud abbas and benjamin netanyahu, since this situation has deteriorated, the palestinian president has said he's going to freeze all contacts with the israelis until this has been resolved, so that's really where we're at right now, and as a byproduct, you are seeing these clashes. >> how does it get resolved if people aren't talking to each other. more breaking news tonight, the death toll in a tragic accident in texas, standing at nine. we have details on the horrifying discovery inside a tractor-trailer in a walmart parking lot in san antonio. "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses.
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breaking news on a horrifying human smuggling incident, police have found eight dead bodies locked in a blistering hot semitruck, alongside dozens of sick people struggling to stay alive. in the last hour, another victim has died. authoritieses are ready to name a suspect. authorities found the truck in a walmart parking lot, about 2 1/2 hours from the mexico border. no air conditioning, no water, and many injured survivors will have irreversible brain damage. i want to get to ed lavandera in san antonio for us, tell us about the suspect. >> federal authorities are investigates this case now, say the driver of the is james bradley from clearwater, florida. his exact involvement and what role he played in the operation
here is not clear. all of that still under investigation, we do know that's what investigators will be focusing on heavily, figuring out how this human smuggling operation was working where were they along the point, where were these people going to be taken where had they been picked up. it's not clear whether bradley is cooperating with investigators. he was found here in the parking lot of walmart, just after midnight, where the store manager was approached by one of the 39 people in the truck, asking for water. when they approached the truck, they made the horrific finding. eight people dead inside, a ninth person has passed away. nearly 20 more are in critical condition. this death toll could go up, it's a scary situation to give you a sense of where we are,
this particular walmart is just along i-35 in the southwest part of san antonio, the fire chief who spoke last night, described what the conditions were like inside that truck when they discovered the people inside. >> units arrived, found the trailer stuffed with victims in the back very hot, kind of like being in an oven, if you can imagi imagine. a lot of them have suffered heat stroke, a lot of times with heat stroke, you have neurological deficits that you will never be able to survive. they took a beating, we had temperatures of over 100 degrees, you can imagine the temperature in the back of that semi loaded up with the people, all their pulse rates were 130, they were hot to the touch.
>> the fire chief said the trailer of the truck had a refrigeration unit inside, it was not working, clearly, the temperatures inside of that truck, a horrible situation. as i mentioned, this walmart is just along i-35, about 150 miles from the border, the nearest border checkpoint which is la rado texas, this part of south texas responsible for some of the largest numbers of illegal immigration traffic that comes through here, and human smuggling. the way these people were being transported a very common occurrence here in south texas. >> that's tough to hear, ed lavandera, thank you so much. 20 people still in critical condition, we'll keep on top of this story. the russian pop star who helped arrange that meeting between donald trump jr. and the russian lawyer. in a cnn exclusive, matthew chance catching up with this pop star at a concert and asked him why he set up that meeting. what he said next.
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for the first time since the story emerged, cnn is hearing in the russian pop star who helped set up that meeting between donald trump jr. and a russian lawyer who claimed she had damaging information about hillary clinton. cnn senior international corporate matthew chance caught up with the singer in latvia, this is what happened. >> the man on the right is the russian pop star at the center of the latest allegations about collusion between the trump administration and the russian government. he's difficult to catch up with, he won't give an official statement on this, i managed to speak to him earlier before this concert in latvia. >> why did you arrange that meeting between donald trump jr.
and the russian lawyer? >> it's an important question, the american people want to know. >> did the russian authorities give your family information to pass on to the trump administration? >> talk to my lawyer. i already talked to him, he said you wouldn't comment. >> soy won't comment. >> these are questions you're going to have to answer at some point. >> i'm here to perform, to enjoy the show, and i'm not going to answer any questions. >> why did your publicist -- >> i'm not going to answer. >> am i clear, you're not going to get a comment. >> he was very clear that he didn't want to speak to us about the issue. the allegations surrounding the trump administration and the trump campaign and his role in the alleged collusion is not going to go away. matthew chance, cnn, latvia.
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the state of florida does not have a law where a citizen is obligated to render aid or even call for help. i'm going to bring in our cnn analysts. danny, police are hoping to charge these teens where a law that says a person who is aware of a death is legally required to report it to a medical examiner. do you think this is going to work? >> i don't know if it's appropriate to be scouring the law books, because you don't like a particular set of defendants to find some law that apply to them. >> the history of the law is that there is no duty to render aid, unless you have special relationship, or some other reason, like you're a lifeguard, a police officer or something like that, other countries have laws that require people to render aid in situations like that, but ours is not one of
them, there are a couple states that do have that requirement, the reality is, they're practically unenforceable. when you think about it, requiring anybody to call 911 when they think someone is in distress would be an unworkable duty. the states that have it, i can't imagine it's used that often. >> it isn't just that they didn't do anything, it's what they did do and not helping this man, i mean, it was beyond just turning the other way. >> talk about the lack of hum humani humanity, i have to react to this as a father, a citizen. this is reprehensible conduct, what are we teaching our young people, as parents, as teachers, are we failing? how could someone see this and not do anything? there's a legal side of it i'll get to momentarily, from a moralistic point of view, beyond not assisting, to taunt and take
pride and joy in the fact that someone may be dead, it's outrageous. >> in terms of the law, to danny's point, yes, there is no duty generally to resbond to anything, there's no good samaritan law with regard to i see something, and i have to actually act upon it affirmatively, or otherwise, i'm held criminally responsible. i'll tell you this, as a result of what occurred here i think you're going to see legislative activity. we cannot legislate morality, that's clear. people are going to do what they do. everybody has their own set of values and circumstances, should we not at least require the bear minimum. >> require what, though? >> someone is drowning and going to die, should we not require as does minnesota that you take some step to call someone. you have a cell phone, and you have the ability to record but you don't have the ability to go 911? as a minimum you can do that.
i'm not saying the police should go out and say, you didn't report a crime last week, you're guilty. what i am saying is, when they conduct an investigation like this, and a decomposing body shows up on a scene, and retrace and find a video like this, there needs to be accountability. for there not to be accountability is wrong. >> that works perfectly in joey's example which uses this particular video. think about it in day to day life. i walk by a city pool, i see a kid splashing around, do i have to evaluate my liability? >> no. >> okay, then on to the next example, how do you enforce these laws. >> this is different. we have helmet laws in some states, and people -- it's against the law in colorado -- not in colorado, but in washington, where i had come before i moved to colorado, you have to wire a helmet. >> that's a law, and i see joey jackson riding around on his
scooter without a helmet in new york. am i obligated to call 911 or someone going to prove whether i could see joey jackson on park avenue without his helmet. how do you do that? >> here's how you do it, you have a great deal of depression, right? there are those instances, of course, we're not our brother's keeper unfortunately, we don't have an affirmative duty to assist anyone, we can keep going, when there's something this egregious, i would suggest that a prosecutor use their discretion. deterrence is a very important part of the law. the reason a lot of cases are prosecuted is not only for the bunnishment value, but deter it happening in other instances, you saw the teens prosecuted, it would send a resounding message that this conduct is illegal, inappropriate and something would be done. what that does is save a life. if we could save a life, we as a society are doing the right thing. i do think there will be a legislative response to this issue. >> there should be. >> watch me go, if the teams had
had the same video but said, oh, no, someone's drowning this is terrible. would law enforcement be scouring the law books to find something to charge them with? no. you don't decide that you dislike a particular group of people and then go through all the dusty law books and find something to charge them with. that's why we're even looking to charge -- these are my 15 seconds, sir. that's why anyone's even looking through the law books to charge these teens, they found who they were and they found their behavior reprehensible. i don't like them, nobody else on this panel likes what they did, but it wasn't a crime. >> i appreciate the great debate. >> come back soon. thank you, guys. a unique approach to help combat the opiod crisis. >> when you're saying, bring your drugs in, and we won't charge you -- >> i mean, it's huge from a community policing aspect. our word should be our bonds.
the united states is in the grips of a horrifying drug overdose epidemic, according to the cdc, 91 americans die every day from an opiod overdose. for many addicts, just finding a safe place to ask for help can be one of the obstacles to evercoming addiction. a north carolina police chief realized that and started a foundation. it allows addicts walk into the police station without fear of jail time. this program is saving lives. not just locally but across the country. >> i had no idea to live at that time of my life. >> his life was out of control. >> i lost cars, my license, the place i've lived at. >> for nearly half his life, this 24-year-old has been addicted to drugs.
>> how many times had you attempted to quit before? >> countless. >> what made this time different? >> a lot with the chiefs program. >> known as the hope initiative, a collaboration between thomas bayshore, and hank draper. the program battles the opiod epidemic one addict at a time. >> if they have drugs or paraphernalia on them, they can turn it over to us at any time and we facilitate them getting into recovery. >> how important was it to build trust in this community? when you're saying bring your drugs in and we won't charge you? >> i mean, it's huge from a community policing aspect, our word should be our bond. >> the chief says its success has led to a reduction in crime. >> things like shoplifting and larceny, breaking into cars. we have saw a 40% drop last
year. >> opiod deaths are up more than 800% since 1999. and in many tongues like nashville, they're seeing a sharp rise in heroin overdoses. >> heroin is a lot cheaper, it >> reporter: spikes was caught with heroin. >> were you skeptical? >> absolutely. you don't talk to cops. you don't associate with them. if you're friends, i can honestly say, chief has never tried to pry into anything of my life from that era. >> reporter: people have traveled from across the state, even california and pennsylvania to get the chief's help. >> when you're ready to go, you can't say come back monday morning at 8:00. you have to do it right then. that's what we do. >> 24/7, you're available? >> that's why everybody has my cell phone number. >> reporter: four mounths out o rehab, spikes is building homes and rebuilding his life. >> how do you describe the pride
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here's a preview. >> i would like to talk to you about drugs. our main story tonight is income inequality. a good way to figure out which side you're on is if you're paying for hbo or stealing it. i'm not saying the irs is a likable organization but not everything that's pornts import likable. the irs is the anus. it's nobody's favorite part, but you need that thing working properly or everything goes to [ bleep ] real quick. >> the comic has become the person who pulls back the curtain to show the world that -- >> do you see this is happening? we didn't make this up? this wasn't a funny idea we had. this is what's happening. >> the constitution isn't the star in super marrio brothers. it doesn't make you invincible so you can do whatever the [ bleep ] you want. >> you teach us about things we
should know about. it's embarrassing to have someone come over here and explain things like how health care works. >> there's an effect because he's creating change. >> joining me now is cliff nester who appears in the cnn series. he's the author of the comedians. so great to have you with us. let's talk about our current state of affairs. do you think the trump a administration is good for comedy? >> i don't think it's good for anybody or anything. at any point where there's a common knowledge of something politically making a reference to it can get a laugh. we're all on the same page watching what's unfolding in america and we can see the absurdity ourselves. it's mystifying in our sort of confusion as we watch what's going on in the news. to have a comedian articulate
for us and point out the absu absurdity is a very effective thing. >> do comedians have political agenda? >> they can. the more artistic tend to be left wing, progressive because they tend to be more sensitive to what's going on. their heart adviser to bleed more and they tend to be able to observe and salient in way that others might not. i don't know if anybody goes on stage with a specific political agenda other than to reflect their own point of view. whatever their politics are, you're going to reflect that through your comedy. it's not so much as ageneral dan as a reflection of your own thought and attitude. >> saturday live had some of its best ratings in years. melissa mccarthy's impersonation rattled the president. he thought it made spicer look
weak and now spicer is gone. what role do you think comedy plays in forming people's political opinions. >> i don't think it changes too many people's political opinions unless they are young. the impressionable age of 12, 13, 14, 15, at that sage tage in have an affect. i don't know if it will change the opinion of someone 40 or 50. it does help illuminate the absurdity. saturday night live is great for that reason. we look for it on a timely sketch. comedy doesn't last that long. for instance, we all love jon stewart of the dailyshow. very few of us is watching reruns because the subject matter has expired. as great as comedy about politics is, it doesn't last long beyond the current news cycle. >> so interesting. i know you said comedy expires like a carton of milk.
>> unfortunately. >> don't miss the history of comedy tonight at 10:00 on cnn. 6:00 in the evening here in new york. 3:00 in the afternoon out west. you're live in the cnn newsroom. we begin with a surprising revelation from the incoming white house communications direct tor director. anthony scaramucci he said the president revealed he is still not sure russia meddled in last year's election. that comes despite u.s. intelligence unanimously agreeing that russia and russia alone interfered. scaramucci says he doesn't know the trump will sign a new sanctions bill. it would not only hit russia with new penalties, it would prevent president trump from lifting them without congressional approval. here is a portion of jake tapper