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11:00 pm xfinity mobile. it's a new kind of network, designed to save you money. that's all the time we have, time to hand thing over for don lemon for "cnn tonight." see you tomorrow. president trump tells a cheering crowd in ohio this -- >> with the expectation of the late great abraham lincoln i can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office. >> this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. how presidential is he really? president trump starting his day at the crack of dawn, where
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else, on twitter. target. attorney general jeff sessions. quote, ukraine yum sabotage -- quietly to boast clinton. attorney general jeff sessions has taken a weak position on hillary clinton crimes. where e-mails and dnc servers and intel leakers. mr. president those e-mails and the servers did hillary no favors during the election she lost because of that, you've won. we all know that we've moved on. shouldn't you. then in a wall street journal the president downplayed senator sessions -- say it was really about the crowd size. here's the quote. he was a senator, he looks at 40,000 people and he probably said, what do i have to lose. and he endorsed me. here's the truth, session's endorsement came two days before a critical tuesday in the primary when president trump was being hammered by ted cruz and
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mark owe rubio owe. >> we need to make america great again. i am pleased to endorse donald trump for the presidency of the united states. >> that was then. this is now. quote, so it's in the like a great loyal thing about the endorsement but i'm very disappointed in jeff sessions. and just in case people weren't getting the point. this during a join press conference on the rose garden when a reporter asked why sessions is left twisting in the wind. >> well, i don't think i am doing that but i am disappointed in the attorney general. he should not have recused himself almost immediately after he took office. and if he was beginning to recuse himself he should have told me prior to taking office and i would have quite simply
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picked somebody else. so i think that's a bad thing not for the president but for the presidency. i think it's unfair to the presidency and that's the way i feel. >> mr. president this isn't a good thing for the presidency either neither for the country. the attorney general is the more than people's chief law enforcement officer. the people's chief law enforcement officer. he's got a job to do, he's not there to be bullied into quitting because you don't like that he did the right thing, follow it had rules and recused himself from the russian investigation. serving in washington and serving the more than is not being settling personal grievances, it's about doing the right thing even though it's hard. that's what jeff sessions did whb he recused himself back in march. it's another one of your former targets did, you said isn't a war hero but you called him brave today, when you got his vote that you need to move that
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stalled healthcare bill. senator mccain walking out on to the floor against his doctor's orders just 11 days after brain surgery casting a crucial vote on healthcare and bringing a message for his colleagues on washington. >> i hope we can again rely on humidity on our need to cooperate on odepend dance on each other and learn how to serve the people who elected us. >> that's a true american hero captured or not. a real american hero. i want to bring in david and laura coats. good evening to both of you. david you first, another extraordinary day in politics. whose more allies right now attorney general or jeff sessions? >> if you look at the statements to support that jeff sessions had been receiving from the former colleague in the senate, none of them are not supporting
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donald trump but you can probably count on the same people in both their supporters. what i find interesting is that you have senators like tom tillerson in north carolina, or mitch mcconnell, the majority leader in the united states senate, not only saying what a lot of people are saying, jeff sessions is a man of integrity, is a good guy, but they go as far to say that he was right to recuse himself which is what julianni also told cnn yesterday. so donald trump he's on a bit of an island at this point in terms of thinking that jeff sessions was wrong headed in recusing himself. and that is -- gets to the fundamental concern about what the president was tweeting about this morning don. he clearly, if you read his tweets what he just d he clearly doesn't see the attorney general as a position that should have independ dance from him.
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he sees as someone who serves at the pleasure of the president who should be doing the bidding of political and legal protection of the united states. >> interesting. made in private business but not as president of the united states. laura, this president before he was president, he coned the phrase, loved to ssay, you're f. if he's so disappointed in jeff sessions why not just fire him? >> it's very simple don, he doesn't have the leverage to. you have the idea when you fired james comey there was this cloud about why he did so, was it because he usurped the road of loretta lynch or when he held a press conference condemning hillary clinton. did he do that or was that wrong. remember rod rosenstein and jeff sessions came forward to say
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that was a complete insburd nation of firing james comey. you have the escape route of the president saying i within trying to obstruct justice i was simply trying to -- the head of the united states is not someone -- now you got jeff sessions entering the arena. you have a clear interview with the "new york times" on audio tape confirming that he is dismayed to say the least that he will not drop this russian investigation and not overseeing it in a way that could effect change. now you got that nebulous cloud gone and the only person in washington, d.c. to have leverage oeft united states is the one man who can make him call his bluff and that's jeff sessions. if i was jeff sessions i'd say to the president if you want to fire him go ahead, but you invite obstruction of justice charges almost immediately. >> now, just think david, if you're a republican lawmaker in washington, and many of them
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were not trump loyal but they ended up supporting him because he was a republican, and they wanted to get their gender across. and you consider jeff sessions was the first senator to go on the band wagon, literally out on a limb is this a red flag for republicans? >> it is but not a surprising one. i think anybody who has followed donald trump's career would say, wow, this is new information. i mean, look at what happened with house healthcare bill, all those republicans that voted for the healthcare bill in the house and then the president had a slebtory session with them in the rose garden and went out and called the bill they just voted for mean and took credit for that. clearly anybody observing president trump, any republican members up on the hill are not ever thinking that he's going to have their back at all costs no matter what. they know that's not how this
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very transactional president operates. >> but you know who does send a message, it sends a message to people who may be in line as a successor if jeff sessions were no longer to be the attorney general. if you got the president of the united states to, i agree with david, has been very trance axal and the loyalty he expect is a self-interesting one, anyone who may be in line to replace the attorney general, has got to take in the boots to say to himself is the very first person that's got to be loyal and endorse you against all odds. and more risk to themselves and for you why would you be more loyal to me in the long run. the six-month tenure jeff sessions has had that is who's making note and pause of the president's action. >> david i'd like to change actions and stalk about
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healthcare. it's just so they can start the discussion, as senator john mccain's return to the senate floor after his brain cancer diagnosis is the moment to watch. watch this. very nice moment david. walk us through what we witnessed tonight. >> it's an amazing moment. obviously the diagnosis he received, he comes home to hear his welcome as he deserves in the floor of the united states senate. what was so amazing right after this moment, don, that senator mccain one back to his desk and nearly every member of the senate walked over to him and started greeting him vjlien
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concluding a whole slew of senate nearly all of them come pretty good they're side of the senate to agreed him. there's no doubt that mccain's return has a psychological effect on the vote that you were talking about. arranging for mitch mcconnell to come back for this key vote has helped the effort to get the final last votes who may have a hurdle to jump over to get there, to get to 50 votes and allow mike pence to cast that tie-breaking vote. on the matter of healthcare this is just the beginning. they get on to the bill and start debating and we're already seeing the ideological divide that has proved so impossible for them to overcome in terms of coming up with a replacement plan still remains. they still don't have a consensus plan on what to do once they repeal obamacare. >> and here we go again. it's not even groundhogs, i
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don't know what to call it. thank you david and laura. appreciate that. i'll turn to congressman from ohio. congressman it's so good to have you on. despite the cloud in washington, the president had a big crowd in your town. take a look at this. >> sometimes they say he doesn't act presidential. and i say, hey look, great schools, smart guy, it's so easy to act presidential, but that's not going to get it done. in fact i said it's much easier, by the way, to act presidential than what we're doing here tonight. believe me. and i said with the expectation of the late great abraham lincoln, i can be more
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presidential than any president that's ever held this office. >> so, congressman you saw the enthusiasm for him at that rally, they like what they see and what they're get g from this president. his support is not waivered, are they wrong? >> he had six or 7,000 people at the center in youngstown, ohio. i don't think it's unusual for a president to be able to draw that many people in a community center. what the people of ohio are going to be looking for is deliverables, that was a campaign speech no doubt about that. it was similar to a lot of speeches that he made when he was in ohio earlier don, in the last year and a half he promised to expand medicaid, to protect people against preexisting conditions, a billion dollars infrastructure bill, he was going to open the steel mills
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and the coal mines. none of that has happened. he promised to address the opioid conditions. he reversed the promises. he's gone backwards or stayed neutral and not even offered a job's program for people in youngstown. at the end of the day, while they may not have left him yet they're going to be watch requesting they want him to deliver. >> why do you think he keeps giving these rallies and should democrats pay attention? it gets folks raled up and one wonder should democrats will paying more attention to this. >> well, i think he needs it. i don hold that necessarily death sentence him, i think any president that sits in the warehouse and does this job it's
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nice to go out and be with people who support you, stroke your ego and clap and laugh at all your jokes, they think you're the best thing god has ever created. any president is going to have a certain am of those people and i guess it would be nice to go out and get that every now and again. again, democrats need to stay focused on what our plan is to help those people. we do have a plan on how to grow the committee, how to lift up wages. our healthcare bill cover more than 23 million people. while obamacare that we passed isn't perfect we need to and want to fix those things and cover more people. republicans are trying to throw 20 million people off of healthcare. we need to talk about what we're for in order to get those voters to come back home. while they may not come back over night there's an election in some months coming and in
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2020. we need to reach out to those folks and bring them home. >> they say politics make strange fellows. do you support the attacks against attorney general jeff sessions or do you think he should be left alone to continue in his job? >> look, i thought sessions should have resigned a long time ago but i thought it was a noble act for him to step aside and say, look, i cannot in good conscious conduct or oversee this investigation and so he stepped aside. but, in typical trump fashion i don't think it surprises everybody to say, you know i want to fire you, you're not doing exactly what i say. even though the law says something different you should do exactly what i say. i think that's troubling. at the end of day that's between him and sessions and they got to figure out how to work it out. >> president trump knocks democrats for not wanting to repeal and replace obamacare. he mentioned how obamacare is hurting america, he uponed to
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alaska, pennsylvania, missouri and didn't mention ohio. what will happen in your state if repeal and replace goes through? >> there are areas where it's not working like it should and we need to fix those problems. and high-risk areas where insurance company can't make money, we were trying to help insurance companies stay in those areas to cover people so we'd give insurance companys payments otherwise those people wouldn't get any health insurance. republicans are unwinding that so the insurance companys are losing money, so they pull out of the high-risk areas and turn around and say, oh look, obamacare's not worpg. they're undermined g this j every turn. let's fix those things. those are appropriate things for us to do, but here's the bottom line don. in both the house republican
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snergs and the senate republican version, congressional budget office which is a neutral analysis of the bills say 22 million americans will get thrown off of their healthcare. that if you're protected from getting thrown off your insurance because you have a preexisting condition, the insurance companies will be able to do that again. the democrats cover 20 million more people and we got between the insurance company and the patient where you'd think you'd have some coverage on a policy and then you got sick and you wen to get coverage and insurance company said, oh we're not going to cover you, we don't cover that. we made sure that no matter what policy you bought, maternity care was covered, addiction and treatment was covered, emergency room visits were covered and a slew of other things. so if you were paying for insurance you'd get insurance coverage. the republicans are peeling and
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rolling back all of those provisions and trump is supporting them don. and then he turns around and come to youngstown and says we're going to make it ber, this healthcare thing is great, you may have heard to do it passed with 51 votes. that is constructive to people in my district where 200,000 people use coverage to get opioid treatments. senior citizens all the rest, he's throwing people off healthcare and he examined that he was going to expand healthcare coverage to people. people's got to pay attention to what he's doing, not the side show or the circus or red meat, not that he's better than abraham lincoln but what are his policies. so far zero legislative initiatives have passed. >> and the american people need to see what people in washington don't even know what they're voting on. but we hope within the next couple days they will and get a
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big dwoms in the russian investigation, president trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort met yesterday with the senate committee but will not have to appear tomorrow for the senate committee. joining me now michael hayman. a lot to get to. maybe a little bit confusing the viewers. the senate intelligence committee, the intel house intel and all that. where is this investigating
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heading? because president trump who repeatedly denied any contact in the campaign between russians was undermined by his son and jared kushner. >> well, first of all, president trump, trump campaign and transition team, don has took the approach and contact with the russians and they simply said there weren't any. they didn't do any home work, there wouldn't any great care, just indicative of anything that was said by the administration. as you begin to peel this back there turns out to be a lot of contacts. we've got to let the investigation take its course but it certainly puts the lie to the claim that there were no contacts, and frankly the more you learn, the more you're forzed to conclude that at a minimum, mr. trump's campaign was nigh've in terns of its view towards the russians. >> it doesn't help them on a
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credibility level. you told ryan that everyone you speaks with thinks don junior was a russian intel operation. why do they believe that? >> it's classic trade craft opponent of russians. first of all it's called a soft approach. you don't use people whose business cards say we're par of russian intelligence. you learn a lot if you learn the russians, you learn a lot from the meeting no matter what it is the americans think is going on. number one, you learn that the trump campaign will take the meeting. number two, you learn that even after the meeting, they don't report it to federal authorities, they don't report it to the fbi because the russians are good enough that they would have noticed an increase in fbi serve vanls had that been the case. finally, if you're the russians you begin to believe that the campaign is comfortable enough
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with a relationship with the russians, even when premised on the suggestion that the russians will offer information in return for something the russians wants, programs sanctions relief. and oh yeah, don, one more thing, you've already put the first down payment on what the russians will call compromise. you've already compromised you're but accepting the meet requesting not reporting it. >> i also want to get your takes on the president's public attacks. attacks against tornado warning jeff sessions. here he is just today. >> i want the attorney general to be much tougher on the leaks from intelligence agencies which are leaking like rarely have they ever leaked before at a very important level. these are intelligent agencies, we cannot have that happen. you know, many of my views and addition to that but i think that's one of the important
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things they have to get on with. i told you before i'm very disappointed with the attorney general but we'll see what happens. time will tell. time will tell. >> what president has been talking about leaks from day one, but in this case is this really about the leaks or trying to stop the mueller investigation? >> in my view it's about the latter not the former. couple of other observations don, number one in my old proinvestigation, 39 years in armed law enforcements what you saw there is undue -- number two, i know senator sessions, i don't agree with him on everything but that man has treated me with nothing but respect and dignity in my relationship with him, so this is a great sadness. finally don, this is probably the most important point. you have the president attacking his attorney general because in the eyes of most people, the
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attorney general did what was expected of him for the ethical demands of his profession. now, don, if i'm the director of national intelligence and central intelligence agency, i'm going to school on this episode in trying to figure out what it means for me, when i've got to go in and tell the president something he definitely doesn't want to hear. >> it has been, general, 259 days since president trump won the election. just the past few days, shot out multiple tweets calling hillary clinton to be investigated on russia in e-mails. is this behavior damaging you think to the president and the country? >> look, as a citizen i think it is. it is unpresidential, it is dramaticing. what we need to do as a nation damage is get to the bottom of this whole russia thing, get it bind us. i fear the president is getting
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in the way of that. to give a little bit understanding to the president. a lot of americans are using this episode to challenge his legitimatesy as president. the ic simply wants to make america better defended and we can only do that if we get to the facts of this case. >> which is interesting. he's got the ultimate, he can say -- the intel communities are not saying that i'm not legitimately the president but i want to investigate this to make sure our elections aren't compromised. i think that's really the ultimate -- >> that would be classic. i am a legitimate president, this is a serious matter. i'm going to go to camp david with my intelligence community chiefs we're going to get to the bottom of this. >> i know you read the secure form last week. i want to get your reactions from what we heard there. watch this. >> i am confident that the
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russians meddled in the election as the entire committee. >> can you tell us is there any dewithin the intelligence community that you oversee in question in whether the russians interfered. >> there no intent and i stated that publicly. >> so we learned last night from the new white house director anthony scaramucci that president trump doesn't accept the intelligence conclusion on russia. president trump is taking putin at his word. >> yeah that's kind of scary. this is a high-confidence judgment, don. from my generation it's judgment about weapons destruction. this doesn't go high confidence jan more unless it really has high confidence. you got both the current and former director of national intelligence, secretary of homeland security and the homeland security adviser to the president, current and former all saying the russians did it.
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and yet, for whatever personal reasons the president can't accept it. that's a little scary going forward, because it suggests there may be other circumstances in which the president, for his own reasons rejects what his intelligence community is telling him. >> always a pleasure to have you on. john michael hayden thank you. ju wen we come back the president -- is it trump being trump or the pressure getting to him? yeah, well it was $30 before my fees, like the pizza-ordering fee and the dog-sitting fee... hen we come back the president -- is it trump being trump or the pressure getting to him? he, verizon? are those my heels? yeah! yeah, we're the same shoes. with t-mobile taxes and fees are already included, so you get four lines of unlimited for just $40 bucks each. the price we say is the price you pay.
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. as the president lashes out of his attorney general and the special counsel, members of his inner circle are answering questions from congress. john flannery and matthew whittaker. he is a former u.s. attorney. gentlemen, so good to have you on. matt i'll start with you. we learned a short time ago the subpoena for paul manafort to appear before the judicial committee tomorrow has been dropped. the two sides are still talking about an appearance. should manafort have to testify publicly you think? >> well, manafort is going to have an interesting story to tell. it's going to be the first time
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they'll compare the stories we heard from kushner and don jr. to see if he had the meet requesting what happened after the meeting. the meeting happened and i think the general before us explained well what the risks are. it is what happened after the meeting, was there any follow-up. >> so you think -- manafort, my question was should he have to testify publicly? >> i don't think he should have to testify publicly tip. but eventually the american people do need to hear this. >> john, manafort did appear earlier today before the senate intelligence committee, gave them documents and answered questions about russia. and jared kushner talked about his contacts with the russians and the meetings. what are investigators likely drilling down on? >> i think that we have an interesting development with the son-in-law basically talking and
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pushing back the dates that april of 2016, when mr. trump gave a speech at the may flower holt aranged by jared. what he leaves out in his statement was not only that he, jared meet with the ambassador from russia but so did mr. trump. mr. trump had the ambassador sitting in the first row as heb he was going to ease the tngs against russia and why shouldn't old enemies goibecome friends. that's an important meeting. it's the same meeting we were told the russian hackers one into the dnc. so he pushed the date back. mr. trump said he never met with the returns, specifically met with the russians at that time, shook hands with him and he sat in the front row. >> richard, as the investigation grinds on, we're seeing the
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president lashing out. today his outbursts started on twitter, 6:00 a.m. attorney general jeff sessions has taken a weak position on hillary clinton crimes. weather e-mails and servers and leakers. he's calling sessions weak but also recess recking this idea of criminal pursue on hillary clinton. is that possible you where will the fall out be? >> well, just one more twitter attack from the commander and chief. this idea of asking your attorney general to investigate your opponent who lost the election and prosecute the opponent, we don't do business that way in the united states. we done prosecute the person who lost the election. and, you know, that type of abuse of power is exactly the type of thing that outstanding to lead to impeachment of a president if that ordered were carried out. fortunately we have an attorney general who is not going to be so stupid as to go after hillary
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clinton over something that was investigated ad nauseam over several years. but president trump picking a fight with jeff sessions trying to humiliate, attorney general sessions publicly, with these lashing out and twitter, it's losing a lot of friends for the president, the senate because jeff sessions has a lot of friends over there, particularly among the most conservator members of the senate. and see him give up his senate seat to go work for president trump and then be humiliated this way only six months into the job, you know, i think a lot of those senators are thinking, well that's what loyalty gets you. >> can i ask you guys something -- >> before you jump in john, he's putting the focus when he does this on russia in a back handed way. do you think maybe he's trying to divert attention from russia and the healthcare knowing full well he's never going to fire
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jeff sessions and sessions is taking the incoming so he candy very attention away from that so they can do what they want with healthcare with people aren't talking about russia directly as much as they are in the news? >> i'd be surprised if that's the strategy here. i think this president talks off the top of his head. it's whatever's happening today in his life and whatever he sees on the news and wants to respond to. i take him at his word when he says he thinks that sessions is weak or when he says that time will tell, i think that's at the moment what he's thinking and i don't think there's a bigger strategy to distract. if the senate voted with him and did his bidding today, 50 of the 52 republican senators, so it seems like he's not turn that many people off yet. >> so thank goodness for john mccain who by the way, said he wouldn't a real war hero.
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if john mccain didn't come through with that vote who knows what he'll be saying today. with all the russian questions richard swirling around the white house, we learned the president's nominated brian bench cowsky. he exposed business ties to the russian bank, the alpha bank. can't they find anyone to this job who didn't have a tie with the russians? >> it seems like they're all in with the russians but i believe he was truthful about that. the thing that's troubling about this administration is so many of them are lying with their contact with the russians, starting with general minute running through the most recent communications when donald trump jr. and jared kushner. and that is very troubling when they won't tell the truth about their contacts with the russians. i think the confidence in the house and senate is eroding. they just had a procedural vote today on healthcare but then
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they voted down this crazy bill they had and they got to actually come up with a law and that's a lot harder. you're not going to get legislation through when people don't trust you. in order to get people to trust you you have to tell the truth, and they've been doing a lot of lying. t not working. >> go ahead john. >> even this nominee though, and i think what we're saying is true, even this nominee is refusing to disclose what he did for the russian bank. we can disclose certain thing but not tell you what we were doing. i think if a person was in that position and has that obligation not to disclose it i don't think they should be considered for the position particularly gurch where he stand today with all the russian influence that compromise our national policy. but as for mr. trump's tweets and stuff like that, i think you're absolutely right. i think it is his device, sort of like a trapped animal in the
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net to strike out by trying to distract us. there's a method to his madness. he doesn't want to fire the attorney general he wants him to re-sign under pressure and under humiliation. i think that he's looking probably to do the same with the acting deputy attorney general because that's his path, he thinks to on struck the investigation. even this talk about pardons i think the par of his policy, not for us to think about would he go it owner but reassuring the people, the dwarfs out there are encouraged to believe that if they get close they don't have to worry, that mr. trump will take care of them. which is hard to believe given how disloyal he's been to so many people over so many days he's been the president. >> john, matt, richard thank you i appreciate it. coming up next, the
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. an emotional moment on the senate floor today. senator john mccain returning. just 11 days after brain surgery to cast his crucial health care vote. and he had a powerful message for colleagues on both sides of the aisle. >> let's trust each other. let's return to regular order. we've been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle. that's an approach that's been employed by both sides,
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mandating legislation from the top down without any support from the other side, with all of the parliamentary maneuvers that requires. we're getting nothing done, my friends. we're getting nothing done. all we have really done this year is confirm neil gorsuch to the supreme court. our health care insurance system is a mess. we all know it. those who support obamacare and those who oppose it. something has to be done. >> here to discuss, former congressman steve israel, cnn political commentator. anna navarro and scott jennings. your reaction to senator mccain's emotional return to the floor? >> it was emotional for me. i spoke to john a couple of days ago last week, and i knew he wanted to get back in the game. i think it was a very well-thought-out speech. i understand a lot of people are very disappointed with the way he voted, wish he had voted
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differently. that being said, i asked them to take a look at his words because i thought his words were particularly significant for republicans. for me, the part that stuck the most was when he reminded republicans that they are not subservient to the president of the united states. they are equals to the president of the united states, an equal branch. i think, you know, it is a very powerful moment with 80-year-old john mccain gets up from his sick bed after surgery, after receiving a scary, scary diagnosis, and gets up and goes to give this call to action to his colleagues. hills defen this defense of the institution, this defense of going back to regular order and doing things in bipartisan way, of finding compromises. i found his words to be very, very powerful. i am hopeful john will make a difference in this process of this bill and make this bill better. >> you're right about his words, because even the people as you said were disappointed, some people were disappointed in the
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way he voted, some people. but his words were very important because his return was an important -- they saw it, scott, as an important step to proceed on this, but it was clear he wants -- as he said, i want to see changes in this bill. he said he wanted to bring democrats on board. other senators share similar concerns. so do you see him rallying the troops and bringing republicans back together and also getting republicans to work with democrats? >> well, i think republicans would love to work with democrats. i just have a hard time believing that you're going to find enough democrats in the u.s. senate who want to do anything other than move us towards single payer, which no republican wants to do. the thing is we have very die verge enlt views on health care inside the united states senate. we have some die verge ent views inside the republican conference, but chuck schumer revealed their plan this week. they want to go to single payer. bernie sanders wants to go to single payer. >> i'm not referring to democrats. other senators show similar
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concerns. do you see him rallying the troops and bringing republicans back together? >> sure. i think john mccain is a unifying voice inside the republican conference. i think his words about the need for bipartisanship struck a powerful note today. i'm pointing out on the policy of health care where most conservative republican senators are and where most democrat senators are, very, very far apart. a lot of daylight in those positions. so i think, you know, can you bring enough people together to do a bipartisan fix on this? i'm dubious of that, but i like the concept of people trying. >> all right. steve, mccain was the 50th vote on the motion to proceed. they got 51 votes with the vice president, the vice president helped them out. what is the strategy of the democrats now? you heard what scott just said there. he doesn't think democrats are going to come on board. democrats want single payer, not anything the republicans want. >> well, you know, i respect scott but he's wrong. democrats have said consistently, they said today, they continue to say and believe that there can be fixes to the
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affordable care act. we want to do it. we're willing to do it, but we have a republican senate right now that has said that they're just going to forge ahead, just bull doze ahead on a bill. what they're doing, what you saw today and what you're going to see over the next few days, don, is a senate that is flying by the seat of their senate pants. they are doing these amendments, but they don't even have a bill to amend. they don't know where they're going to end up, when they're going to end up, how they're going to end up. by the way, this is just pregame. you think this is interesting? wait until they pass something. we don't even know what that something is, but even if they pass something it goes back to the house of representatives. that gets very interesting. we're going to be deja vu on top of deja vu, back to where we were in the house of representatives a month ago, if there's a house senate conference and this debate between the freedom caucus and the moderates which tells you this is just chaos. it is irresponsible. john mccain was right, we need to get people together
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constructively. >> is there any way that you will work with republicans, as repeal and replace? is it off the table if it is repeal and replace, that you will work with republicans? >> well, we don't want to repeal the entire thing. we don't want to have these massive cuts in medicaid. we don't want to tell people with preexisting conditions they can't get help. we don't want to throw over 20 million people off their insurance. so, look, we will meet in the middle. absolutely, we will meet in the middle. >> do you care what it is called? do you care if it is called trump care or whatever, the american -- >> i don't care what it is called as long as the american people are able to get health care that is quality, that is affordable and doesn't discriminate against them if they have things like breast cancer. who cares what it is called? >> thank you for that. >> let me tell you, don. >> quickly because i want to move on. >> it is easy to posture when you think you can get your way. when you realize you can't, you know, that's when compromise happens. so if people stick to that position of john mccain who
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bello bellowed against the process of getting the bill passed, the fact it was done belinde closed doors, if enough republicans stick to that we might at some point have a compromise. >> go on. if you guys are having a conversation about this, so if you want to continue. do you want to respond to that, scott? >> i think we've seen some bipartisanship in the senate lately. look, the russia sanctions bill was a bipartisan bill. it tagged north korea and tag i had iran. so the senate has come together on other issues, not health care. but other issues they've shown they can come together and do things, so bipartisanship isn't totally dead. the issue is you have republicans that want nothing to do with what the core democratic idea is, and you have democrats as you heard steve say, who i also respect very much, who don't want to repeal and replace obamacare. they largely like and think obamacare is working, which republicans, of course, don't believe. so finding compromise in there, i think that is -- this is the
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one issue where you're going to have the broadest differences. i think even on tax reform you're going to have more people with stuff in common in both parties than health care. >> congressman, do you largely believe obamacare is working? if you look at the cbo and if you look at studies, the studies, many experts have said obamacare is not dying under its own weight, but there are republicans who believe that. do you agree as scott says that -- >> look, i don't -- president trump says it is killing people. he says it is killing people. it is a disaster. i believe it has flaws like many well-intended laws, it has flaws, and democrats and republicans have a responsibility to fix it. i had breakfast yesterday with a republican member of congress who said to me that in quiet rooms without cameras, without sound bytes, he believes that they can get to a responsible compromise. so maybe what we need to do is let those members of congress have those quiet conversations and produce an alternative and a compromise that works for the
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american people outside of the kind of theatrics that we witnessed in the united states senate today. >> what steve is alluding to may happen. this may wind up in a conference committee, and that's the kind of process steve is talking about, a quiet room with members of both parties. >> thank you all. i have to go. i have to get to the top of the hour. when we come back, how is the president doing so far? here is what he says. >> i can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office. >> more next. people would stare. psoriasis does that. it was tough getting out there on stage. i wanted to be clear. i wanted it to last. so i kept on fighting. i found something that worked. and keeps on working. now? they see me. see me. see if cosentyx could make a difference for you- cosentyx is proven to help people with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...find clear skin that can last.
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a tale of two leaders, in their own words. this is cnn to night. i'm don lemon. president trump speaking to a cheering crowd in youngstown, ohio tonight says this. >> with the exception of the late great abraham lincoln, i can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office. that i can tell you. >> meanwhile, senator john mccain, a former presidential candidate, returns to the senate just 11 days after brain surgery and he says this. >> i hope we can again rely on humility, on our need to cooperate, on our dependence on each other, to learn how


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