tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN July 28, 2017 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
here we go. you're watching cnn on this friday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin. good to be with you. just a heads up, any moment, the president will be speaking from long island in new york, touting his administration's efforts to crack down on the ms-13 gang, and he chose this particular location because police say the gang has been on a killing spree there. these will be his first public remarks since the failure of the republican bill to replace obamacare, and we're told his two feuding aides were both on the plane. they were both on air force one with him, anthony scaramucci, and reince priebus, and we have lots more on that in just a moment. but first, let's go straight to the pentagon and what they're confirming to us here at cnn. you see the map.
this is all on north korea. the news is just crossed that north korea has launched another icbm. this happened around 10:41 eastern time this morning. the pentagon saying this was a long-range missile, actually landing just about 50 miles off the coast of japan. japan reporting the missile possibly flew for as long as 45 minutes. so, gordon chang, daily beast columnist, is back with us on this. so, significant, of course, in and of the fact that they lau launched yet another icbm but additionally significant because it was in the air eight more minutes than the last time and bigger and higher than before. why is that a big deal? >> it's a big deal because it means that they can launch this missile farther down range than we thought. the july fourth test, which was their first icbm launch, that was 37 minutes in the air. this is 45. that one went 1,740 miles into
space. this one, 1,900 miles into space. and of course it went farther down range. and what they did was they landed this very close to japan, as you mentioned, 80 miles. this is significant because they're warning the japanese, and there's one other thing that people haven't talked about and that is we over the weekend were looking at one location in north korea where they had sorted these mobile missile launchers. that's where we thought this was going to be launched from. what we just saw in the last few moments is this was launched from an entirely different location, and they're basically saying to the u.s. military, you cannot kill our missiles on the ground. we can hide them. we can fire them off from almost any location. you won't be able to see them until it's too late. >> they made the world think it would come from one location when actuality, surprise, it came from another. i think it's also important to point out and all this is significant t numbers involved, the time, it was in the air that the length because what they're doing and correct me, but they're testing it in essence
with a vertical. >> yes. >> with the ultimate goal of more of a horizontal flight. they just want to see without getting in too much trouble how high they can go. >> and they were also testing heat shielding. they need to protect the nose cone as it reenters the atmosphere. heat shielding is thought to be the last major technical hurdle for the north koreans to be able to land a nuke in the u.s. so that's why the defense intelligence agency said look, we're no longer talking three or four years before they can hit us with a nuke. we're now talking one year and that's probably about right, given their accelerated testing schedule. >> that's what the u.s. is now moved up the timetable, thinking -- moved it up by a year in terms of nuclear capability. >> so they're saying some time in 2018, they'll be able to hit us with a nuclear weapon on an icbm. >> what does president trump do
other than 140 characters or less of bluster toward kim jong un. >> what he needs is to talk to the chinese and say, look, you can support north korea or you can do business with the united states but you can't do both. if we are able to say that and have the chinese believe us, then i think we can push beijing in the right direction. up to now, they have not seen political will out of the united states when it comes to north korea and they haven't taken us seriously and this has been the case for a couple decades now. if they think we're serious, we might see chain start to help us. >> gordon chang, you are excellent on this. thank you so much for coming by. as we are waiting for the president to speak there in long island, here in new york, this comes amid this whole civil war wh within the white house and on air force one, the two brothers, as anthony scaramucci referred to them the other morning, cain and abel here, this is anthony scaramucci, the chief coms
director and reince priebus t chief , the chief of staff, this is hours after anthony scaramucci's vulgar rant with the new yorker. we'll talk to someone who has worked with scaramucci for years and can talk about his ways. senator john mccain in the wee hours of the morning, his maverick moment, we picked apart every frame of that dramatic and surreal 16 seconds when the senator was the final thumbs down vote on the all important obamacare repeal. wait until you see this. we'll be right back. hi.
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i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok. that's all that matters. (vo) a lifetime commitment to getting them home safely. let's take you now to long island. here he is, the president of the united states. speaking there about to talk about ms-13, the war on gangs. here he is. [ applause ] >> well, thank you very much.
this is certainly being home for me. i've spent a lot of time right here. i was in queens, so i'd come here and this was like the luxury location for me. and i love it. i love the people here, even coming in from the airport, i sat with nikki haley, who's here some place. where's our nikki? ambassador nikki haley who is so incredible. and she's seen crowds in her life and she said, boy, those are really big crowds, crowds of people all lining the streets all the way over to here, and it's really a special place. so what i heard about this, i said, i want to do that one. but i really wanted to do it not because of location but because as you know, i am the big, big believer and admirer of the people in law enforcement. okay? from day one. from day one. we love our police.
we love our sheriffs. and we love our i.c.e. officers. and they have been working hard. thank you. they have been working hard. together, we're going to restore safety to our streets and peace to our communities, and we're going to destroy the vile criminal cartel ms-13 and many other gangs. but ms-13 is particularly violent. they don't like shooting people because it's too quick. it's too fast. i was reading one of these animals was caught and explaining they like to knife them and cut them and let them die slowly because that way it's more painful. and they enjoy watching that much more. these are animals. we're joined today by police and sheriffs from suffolk, nassau,
dutch che duh which he duchs and ulser counties. immigration and customs enforcement offices and law enforcement personnel from a number of federal agencies, so we're loaded up with great people. that's what i call it. and i want to just tell you all together, right now, and the reason i came, this is the most important sentence to me, on behalf of the american people, i want to say thank you. thank you very much. >> and i don't think you know how much the public respects and admires you. you're saving american lives
every day and we have your backs, believe me. we have your backs, 100%. not like the old days. not like the old days. >> when you want to take over used military equipment, they were saying you couldn't do it. you know what i said? that was my first day. you can do it. in fact, that stuff is disappearing so fast, we have none left. you guys know -- you really knew how to get that. but that's my honor, and i'll tell you what, it's being put to good use. i especially want to thank i.c.e. director tom holman, who has done an incredible job in just a short period of time. tom, get up here. i know you just called.
tom is determined to rid our nation of cartels and criminals who are preying on our citizens, and i can only say to tom, keep up the great work. he's a tough guy. he's a tough cookie. somebody said the other day they saw him on television, and somebody -- they were interviewed after that. they said, he looks very nasty. he looks very mean. i said, that's what i'm looking for. that's exactly what i was looking for. and for that, i want to congratulate john kelly, who has done an incredible job of secretary of homeland security. incredible. one of our real stars. truly one of our stars. john kelly is one of our great stars. you know, the border's down 78%. under past administrations, the
border didn't go down. it went up. but if it went down 1%, it was like this was a great thing. down 78%. and in fact, the southern border of mexico, we did them a big favor, believe me. they get very little traffic in there anymore because they know they're not going to get through the border to the united states. so, that whole group has been incredible, led by general kelly. let me also express our gratitude to the members of the new york delegation here today, congressman chris collins, where's chris? where is chris? oh, chris, right from the beginning, he said, trump is going to win. trump is going to win. that's why i like him. i didn't like him that much before. now i love him. i'll never -- [ applause ] dan donovan. thanks, dan. thank you, dan.
and lee zeldin, who i supported right from the beginning, when they said he didn't have a chance of beating a pretty popular incumbent. and i saw him in a debate. i said, i think this guy's going to win. but he fought a pretty popular guy, and i said i think he's going to win, and went heavy for him and he won, and he won pretty easily, didn't you? pretty good. i'm proud of you. great job. and of course a legend, somebody that we all know very well, sort of my neighbor because i consider him a neighbor, but he's really a great and highly respected man in washington, congressman peter king. very respected guy. he is a -- a respected man that people like to ask opinions of. i do.
congressman king and his colleagues know the terrible pain and violence ms-13 has inflicted upon this communicate and this country. and if you remember, just a little more than two years ago, when i came down the escalator with melania and i made the speech, people coming into this country, everyone says, what does he know? what's he talking about? and there was bedlam, remember bedlam, and then about two months later, they said, you know, he's right. so, i'm honored to have brought it to everybody's attention, but the suffering and the pain that we were going through and now you can look at the numbers, it's a whole different world. and it will get better and better and better, because we've been able to start nipping it in the bud. we've nipped it in the bud. let's call it start nipping it in the bud. and ms-13, the cartel, has spread gruesome bloodshed throughout the united states. we've gotten a lot of them out of here, big, big percentage,
but the rest are coming. they'll be out of here quickly, right? quickly. good. so i asked tom, on the plane -- he was never in air force one. i said, how do you like it? he said, i like it. but i said, hey, tom, let me ask you a question, how tough are these guys ms-13. he said, they're nothing compared to my guys. and sometimes that's what you need, right? for many years, they exploded america's weak borders and lax immigration enforcement to bring drugs and violence to cities and towns all across america. they're there right now because of weak political leadership, weak leadership, weak policing, and in many cases because the police weren't allowed to do their job. i've met police that are great police that aren't allowed to do their job because they have a pathetic mayor or a mayor who
doesn't know what's going on. >> were you applauding for someone in particular? it's sad. it's sad. you look at what's happening. it's sad. but hopefully, certainly in the country, those days are over. you may have a little bit longer to wait. but from now on, we're going to enforce our laws, protect our borders, and support our police like our police have never been supported before. we're going to support you like
you've never been supported before. few communities have suffered worse at the hands of these ms-13 thugs than the people of long island. hard to believe. i grew up on long island. i didn't know about this. i didn't know about this. and then all of a sudden this is like a new phenomenon. our hearts and our nation grieve for the victims and their families since january 16, think of this, ms-13 gang members have brutally murdered 17 beautiful young lives in this area on long island alone. think of it. they butchered those little girls. they kidnap. they extort. they rape and they rob. they prey on children.
they shouldn't be here. they stomp on their victims. they beat them with clubs. they slash them with machetes. and they stab them with knives. they have transformed peaceful parks and beautiful, quiet neighborhoods into blood-stained killing fields. they're animals. we cannot tolerate, as a society, the spilling of innocent, young, wonderful, vibrant people, sons and daughters, even husbands and wives. we cannot accept this violence one day more. can't do it. and we're not going to do it. because of you, we're not going to be able to do it. you're not going to allow it to happen, and we're backing you up 100%. remember that.
100%. [ applause ] it is the policy of this administration to dismantle, decimate, and eradicate ms-13 at every other -- and i have to say, ms-13, that's a name, rough groups, that's fine, but we got a lot of others. and they were all let in here over a relatively short period of time, not during my period of time. believe me. but we're getting them out. they're going to jails. and then they're going back to their country or they're going back to their country, period. one by one, we're liberating our american towns. can you believe that i'm saying that? i'm talking about liberating our towns. like you'd see in a movie. they're liberating the town.
like in the old wild west, right? we're liberating our towns. i never thought i'd be standing up here talking about liberating the towns on long island where i grew up. but that's what you're doing. and i can tell you, i saw some photos where tom's guys, rough guys, they're rough, i don't want to be -- i don't want to be, you know, say it because they'll say that's not politically correct, you're not allowed to have rough people doing this kind of work. we have to get -- just like they don't want to have rich people at the head of treasury. like i want a rich guy at the head of treasury, right? i want a rich guy at the head of commerce. because we've been screwed so badly on trade deals, i want
people that made a lot of money now to make a lot of money for our country. and by the way, as i was walking up, they just gave me the numbers. our numbers were just -- just came out this morning. gdp is up double from what it was in the first quarter. 2.6%. we're doing well. we're doing really well, and we took off all those restrictions and some we're statutorily stuck with for a little while but eventually that statute comes up and we'll be able to cut a lot more and we've sort of libertied the world of creating jobs like you're liberating us and the people that live in areas. but i have to say, one by one, we are, indeed, freeing up these great american towns and cities that are under siege from gang
violence. look at los angeles. look at what's going on in los angeles. look at chicago. what is going on in -- is anybody here from chicago? we got to -- we have to send some of you to chicago, i think. what's going on? i mean, do you see what's happening there? there's no -- do we agree? is there something maybe -- is there something -- [ applause ] i have to tell you one chicago story. so, chicago is having this unbelievable violence. people being killed, four, five, six in a weekend and i'm saying, what is going on. and when i was running, we had motorcycle brigades take us to the planes and stuff, and one of the guys, really good -- you could see a really respected officer, police officer, he was at the head. he was the boss. and you could see he was the
boss. he actually talked like the boss. come on, get lined up, because i'd always take pictures with the police. i always did that. my guy said, don't do it, don't do it. other candidates didn't do it that i was beating by 40 points. can you believe it? but i did it. maybe that's why i was winning by 40 points. but other candidates wouldn't do it but i always took the pictures with the police. but we're in chicago and we had massive motorcycle brigades and you know those people have to volunteer. i don't know if you know that but from what i understand, they have to volunteer. and i had the biggest brigades. i had brigades sometimes with almost 300 motorcycles. even i was impressed. i'd look ahead and it was nothing by motorcycles because they'd volunteer from all over various states. but there's one guy was impressive. he was a rough cookie, and really respected guy. i could see he was respected. and he said, come on, get over here, get over here, he's got to get to work. come over here. i said, let me tell you, you're from chicago.
yes, sir. i said, what the hell is going on? and he said, it's a problem that can be straightened out. i said, how long would it take you to straighten out this problem? he said, if you gave me the authority, couple of days. i really mean it. i said, you really think so? he said, couple of days. we know all the bad ones. we know them all. he said the officers, you guys, you know all the bad ones in your area. you know them by your names. we know them all. couple of days. i said, you got to be kidding. this was a year and a half ago. i said, give me your card and he gave me a card and i sent it to the mayor and i said, you ought to try using this guy. guess what happened? never heard. and last week, they had another record. it's horrible. but we're just getting started.
whether he restore law and order on long island. we'll bring back justice to the united states. i'm very happy to have gotten a great, great justice of the united states supreme court, not only nominated but approved, and by the way, your second amendment is safe. your second amendment is safe. i feel very good about that. wasn't looking so good for the second amendment, was it, huh. if trump doesn't win, your second amendment is gone. your second amendment would be gone. but i have a simple message to today for every gang member and criminal alien that are threatening, so violently, our people. we will find you, we will arrest you, we will jail you, and we will deport you.
and you know, we had some problems with certain countries, still do with a couple, but we'll take care of them, don't worry about it. any time we have a trade deficit, it's very easy, which is almost everywhere. we have trade deficits with almost every country, because we had a lot of really bad negotiators making deals with other countries. so it's almost everywhere, so that takes care of itself, but we had certain countries in south america where they wouldn't take the people back. i said, that's okay, no more trade. all of a sudden, they started taking their people back. it's amazing, isn't it? they used to send to the former secretary of state of the country, please call. would you please work it so that we could take -- and they used to just tell her, no. we won't take back.
they take back with us. every single time. we're having very little problem -- are we having any problem right now with that? you better believe it. give me the names of the few problems. we'll take care of it. i'm telling you. it's unbelievable. one of the old people -- one of the people that represented the other administration, i said, why didn't you use that, the power of economics. sir, we think one thing has nothing to do with another. i said, oh really? so we'll have big deficits and they won't take back these criminals that came from there and should be back there? believe me, to me, everything matters. but they're all taking them back. i i.c.e. offices recently conducted the largest crackdown on criminal gangs in the history of our country. in just six weeks, i.c.e. and our law enforcement partners
arrested nearly 1,400 suspects and seized more than illegal firearms and some beauties and nearly 600 pounds of narcotics. the men and women of i.c.e. are turning the tide in the battle against ms-13. but we need more resources from congress, and we're getting them. congress is actually opening up and really doing a job. they should have approved health care last night, but you can't have everything. boy, oh boy. they've been working on that one for seven years. can you believe that? the swamp. but we'll get it done. we're going to get it done. you know, i said from the beginning, let obamacare implode, and then do it. i turned out to be right. let obamacare implode.
right now, we have less than 6,000 enforcement and removal officers in i.c.e. this is not enough to protect a nation of more than 320 million people. it's essential that congress fund another 10,000 i.c.e. officers, and we're asking for that, so that we can eliminate ms-13 and root out the criminal cartels from our country. now, we're getting them out anyway, but we'd like to get them out a lot faster, and when you see these towns and when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just see them thrown in, rough, i said, please don't be too nice. like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over. like, don't hit their head and they've just killed somebody. don't hit their head. i said, you can take the hand away, okay?
it's essential that congress fund hundreds more federal immigration judges and prosecutors, and we need them quickly, quickly. if we're going to dismantle these deadly networks and i have to tell you, you know, the laws are so horrendously stacked against us, because for years and years, they've been made to protect the criminal. totally made to protect the criminal. not the officers. you do something wrong, you're in more jeopardy than they are. these laws are stacked against you. we're changing those laws. but in the meantime, we need judges for the simplest thing, things that you should be able to do without a judge, but we have to have those judges quickly. in the meantime, we're trying to change the laws. we're also working with chairman bob goodlatt on a series of enforcement measures and he's a
terrific guy, to keep our country safe from crime and terrorism. and in particular, radical islamic terrorism. a term never uttered by past administrations. never uttered. did anybody ever hear that term? i don't think so. but you heard it from me. that includes cracking down on sanctuary cities that defy federal law, shield visa overstays, and that release dangerous criminals back into the united states communities. it's what's happening. they're releasing them, so many deaths where they released somebody back into the community. and they know it's going to end that way. that's the sad -- they know it's going to end that way. we're ending those procedures. we have to secure -- thank you.
[ applause ] >> i spoke to parents, incredible parents. i got to know so many parents of children that were so horribly killed, burned to death, beaten to death, just the worst kind of death you can ever -- stuffed in barrels. and the person that did it was released, and you'd look at the file, and there were letter after letter after letter of people begging not to let this animal back into society, that this would happen. it would happen quickly. it wasn't even like it would happen over a long period of time. they were saying it would happen quickly. it's total violence. he's a totally violent person. you cannot let this person out. they let the person out, and sometimes it would happen like on the first day. and then you have to talk to the parents and hold the parents and
hug them and they're crying -- i mean, crying, their lives are destroyed. and nobody thinks about those people. they don't think about those people. they're devastated. but we're ending so much of that. we're ending, hopefully, all of that. the laws are tough. the laws are stacked against us. but we're ending it. so we're going to secure our border against illegal entry, and we will build the wall. that i can tell you. in fact, last night -- you don't read about this too much, but it was approved, $1.6 billion for the phase one of the wall which is not only designed but the start of construction over a period of about two years, but the start of construction for a great border wall. and we're going to build it. the wall is vital, and vital is
a tool for ending the humanitarian disaster brought and really brought on by drug smugglers and new words that we haven't heard too much of, human traffickers. this is a term that's been going on from the beginning of time, and they say it's worse now than it ever was. you go back 1,000 years wruhere you think of trafficking, go back 500 years, 200 years, human trafficking, they say, think of it, what they do, human trafficking is worse now, maybe it's ever been in the history of this world. we need a wall. we also need it, though, for the drugs because the drugs aren't going through walls very easily, especially the walls that i build. i'm a very good builder. you people know that better than most because you live in the area. that's why i'm here. we'll build a good wall. we're going to build a real
wall. we're going to build a wall that works. and it's going to have a huge impact on the inflow of drugs coming across. the wall is almost -- that could be one of the main reasons you have to have it. it's an additional tool to stop the inflow of drugs into our country. the previous administration enacted an open door policy to illegal immigrants from central america. welcome in. come in, please. please. as a result, ms-13 surged into the country and scoured and just absolutely destroyed so much in front of it. new arrivals came in, and they were all made recruits of each other. and they fought with each other. and then they fought outside of each other, and it got worse and worse, and we've turned that back. in the three years before i took office, more than 150,000
unaccompanied alien minors arrived at the border and were released all throughout our country into united states communities. at a tremendous monetary cost to local taxpayers and also a great cost to life and safety. nearly 4,000 from this wave were released into suffolk county. congratulations. including seven who are now indicted for murder. you know about that. in washington, d.c., region, at least 42 alien minors from the border surge have been recently implicated in ms-13-related violence, including 19 charged in killings or attempted killings. you say what happened to the old days where people came into this
country, they worked and they worked and they worked and they had families and they paid taxes and they did all sorts of things and their families got stronger and they were closely knit. we don't see that. failure to enforce our immigration laws had predictable results. drugs, gangs, and violence. but that's all changing now. under the trump administration, america's once more a nation of laws and once again a nation that stands up for our law enforcement officers. >> we will defend our country,
protect our communities, and put the safety of the american people first. and i'm doing that with law enforcement, and we're doing that with trade, and we're doing that with so much else. it's called america first. it's called an expression i'm sure you've never heard of, make america great again. has anybody heard that expression? that is my promise to each of you. that is the oath i took as president, and that is my sacred pledge to the american people. thank you, everyone here today. you are really special, special americans. and thank you, in particular, to
the great police, sheriffs, and i.c.e. officers. you do a spectacular job. the country loves you. the country respects you. you don't hear it, but believe me, they respect you as much as they respect anything there is to respect about our country. you are spectacular people. >> because of the danger of your job, which people also understand fully, i leave you with the following. thank you, and may god bless you. may god bless the united states of america. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. ♪
>> we are going to destroy ms-13, the words from the president of the united states. they are speaking on long island, a place where according to fbi, 20 people have been killed by this violent gang just in the last two years. dan lieberman, our cnn digital correspondent has been speaking to some of these ms-13 gang members, has been in long island, and he's with me here now as we're watching, you know, the president say good-bye to the crowd on long island, you've talked to them, and you know, you have the president's, you know, words, but then the gang, as a result, feels emboldened. >> that's right. yeah. for the last couple months, we were speaking with gang members from ms-13, and victims of the gang, and immigrants on long island, and they say that trump policies and rhetoric are actually helping the gang, em boldening the gang. here actually we have a clip of part of the story, two gang members spoke to us. take a listen. >> because what trump is saying that older hispanics are bad and everything, so, like, whatever happens to them, they're going
to stay quiet and let it happen. >> this gives them the opportunity to tell immigrants, what are you going to do? are you going to report us? look, they're deporting other innocent people. they're going to accuse you. they're going to associate you with us. >> and police, you know, immigrants are saying that they don't want to go to the police, that they're too afraid of deportation, they're afraid of talking. >> even though police are saying to them, we'll give you a free pass, even if you're undocumented if you're giving us a tip about ms-13. >> exactly. we spoke with one mother of an ms-13 victim, and she's afraid, she says, that, you know, they're looking at all their children as potential gang members, and if they're arrested on suspicion of being a gang member, they could be deported. so, they say the people that we spoke to say this is actually gaining strength for the gang. they're recruiting more members, and it's getting worse. >> dan, has this entire piece on cnn.com right know on the main page. go check it out where you really get in depth with a lot of these people on long island.
thank you so much for swinging by. also developing right now, on that very trip to long island, you have two of the president's top aides who are feuding in a fight that is getting nastier and nastier. we'll talk with someone who has covered the white house communications director, anthony scaramucci, for years and can talk all about, well, how he talks and how driven he is, and what he thinks of this relationship with reince priebus. also, we'll take a look at the dramatic moments, frame by frame analysis of senator john mccain's vote that ultimately sunk republican efforts to repeal obamacare. see the reactions from democrats and republicans in the senate chamber. we'll be right back. degenerati, he told me to look at this grid every day. and we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the national eye institute recommends to help reduce
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new fallout today after senator john mccain helped bring his party's health care bill down in the u.s. senate. after debating into the early hours of the morning, senator mccain shocked his republican colleagues by casting a third no vote that decided the outcome. you had senators susan collins and lisa murkowski who also voted no in a huge setback for the party's seven-year promise to the american people to repeal obamacare. but let's take a closer look at mccain's moment specifically, the arizona senator and veteran and p.o.w., not present on the floor when his name was called. cnn would later learn he stepped out of the chamber to take a phone call from president trump. and because votes are cast alphabetically, senator mccain returned to the chamber as the clerk had reached senator gary peters and what happens in the
next few seconds made history. watch. >> 1:29 a.m., senator mccain reenters the chamber. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell stands at the front of the room like he had most of the night. the grin on his face, though, quickly disappears. >> mr. peters. >> no. >> senator bernie sanders appears to nudge senator gene s shaheen as if to say, watch this. mccain waves his hand to get the attention of the senate clerk, pauses for just a moment, and gives a dramatic thumbs down. >> audible gasp on the senate floor and then commotion. some democrats can't contain their excitement. senator elizabeth warren leans in to get a better look and breaks into applause. senator dianne feinstein, a single assertive clap. senator sherrod brown slams his
hand on the desk in affirmation while some republicans, like senator marco rubio stare in disbelief. senator bill cassidy drops his head. chuck schumer waves his arms, apparently trying to quiet them as senator john mccain turns around and walks back to his chamber desk all alone. >> mr. reed. >> cnn political commentator ana navarro is with me, a dear friend and former colleague of senator mccain. so ana navarro, i know you've been in touch with him. tell me, has he shared anything with you about the big thumbs down moment? >> no, i haven't spoken to him since then, but you know, anybody who knows john mccain well would not be terribly surprised by this. the guy has been signaling this all along. brooke, he has been so mad about the process surrounding this health care bill for months, and he's been vocal about it. it's not like he's been saying
it under bated breath and he's been saying it in closed rooms. he's been saying it in public. i think that speech he gave earlier in the week signalled it. >> scolding his own party. >> saying we need to go back to regular order. we need to have hearings. we need to allow amendments. i am a no vote in this shell of a bill. well, none of the things that he laid out were done. in fact, this thing was rammed through, which is precisely what he said he would not vote for. he said he would listen to the governor of his state who was not supportive of this bill, and so nothing -- nothing that he laid out in that speech earlier in the week happened -- and i don't know, what did republicans think, that this guy had delayed his treatment by a week, flown to washington against doctor's orders, to be a rubber stamp for donald trump and mitch mcconnell? that's not who john mccain is. and i also think he understood the significance of his one
vote. >> you know, he provided the drama and as, you know, well deserved of the spotlight on him. let's, please, also point out the two other women here. you had senators lisa murkowski and susan collins. they had already made up their minds. they were clear from the get-go during the different iterations of the potential votes before. in fact, we actually have a photo. could we pop the photo up, guys, from senator collins as she was going to maine where she was greeted in the airport. look at this. people on their feet, you know, standing ovation there in maine on her no vote. do you feel, i mean, these women also deserve their due in terms of depending on how you see this, you know, their credit for standing up against what the president wanted. >> look, i think all three deserve a lot of credit for doing what we should hope every elected official does, which is stand up for their constituents' rights, for their constituents' interests, stand up on principle
and conviction, not political factors, not political pressure, and stand up against the bullying. i love this lisa murkowski story. i mean, do you understand that the president of the united states got his secretary of the interior to call her on the phone and try to put pressure on her and bully her. and she responded to him, sweetheart, let me remind you, i fund your department, and you're not bullying me. so, you know, i actually think that's another thing that could have influenced john mccain. i don't know anybody who was just more old-fashioned chivalrous than john mccain and the idea that this guy tried to do that to lisa murkowski has got to have been infuriating, and frankly, it should have been infuriating to any senator, republican or democrat, because as john mccain said earlier in the week, they are a co-equal branch, not subservient to the president. i think donald trump overplayed his hand in trying to bully lisa murkowski and trying to exert pressure on some of these senators and he just learned
that there are some people, there are some politicians, who have a steel spine and do not cower under pressure. >> ana navarro, thank you so much. we'll see what's up next, how tax reform goes. may be a bit better for the republicans. we shall see. let's move on. the bitter tensions between two of president trump's top aides getting uglier. just a short time ago, we know that both the white house communications director, anthony scaramucci, aka the mooch and chief of staff reince priebus were on air force one with the president as he traveled to long island. an interesting trip, to say the least, after scaramucci dropped jaws with his vulgarity-laced interview with the new yorker's ryan lizza. he used, we'll call it nc-17 rated insults against steve bannon. let's get more perspective on scaramucci and priebus from two people who know them, cnn special correspondent jamie gangel is with us and lynnette
lopez who has covered scaramucci for the last five years. linnette, if i may, you call him the mooch straight to his face. >> everyone calls him the mooch straight to his face. anybody who's ever been in vegas with him at the s.a.l.t. conference when ch has been a fun party in the past, it was a little darker this year because of the uncertainty of mooch's position and my piece on "business insider" was everyone kept making the same sound. it was constantly nervous laughter every time the mooch would mention trump, the bankers and the investors in the room just kind of were like, ha ha, because the market is kind of weird right now. there's total uncertainty about policy and at that time, there was uncertainty about the part role that mooch was going to play. he still hasn't sold the firm. he wasn't even supposed to be there. >> so he loves the president. he made that abundantly clear from the podium a week ago today. my question is on language. if i were to use the four-letter
words that this man, as the white house chief coms guy used, i don't think i'd be sitting here today, a, and i don't think any of us would. >> you'd have great ratings for one day and then you'd be gone. >> so my question to you is, is this just how he speaks? >> yeah, this is mooch. i mean, mooch is -- >> i love how you say mooch. >> this is anthony. he's colorful. he's loud. he's flamboyant. he can be charming and transactional and efusive. he can be funny and not funny. he can be serious as a heart attack. he can get mad at you. >> but as successful as he is, to me, it's about discipline and knowing that you are speaking on the record to ryan lizza, the "new yorker" correspondent there in washington to be using this language and speaking like this. >> does he think the president likes it? i think that's the question. >> what about the country? >> i don't think he cares about the country right now. well, he cares in his own way. he cares about pleasing his boss, the president. that's how he knows he's going to win this "game of thrones"
right now. if you make donald trump happy and you show him that you have the sharpest elbows in the room and you can beat out reince and steve bannon or at least quiet all your enemies, that's the kind of drive donald trump wants to see and that's what anthony scaramucci can bring to this team. he is a no holds barred fighter. >> but it's making every other republican in town crazy, because what's his title? communications director. this is not good as far as every republican i've spoken to says. it makes them very nervous, and someone said to me, sarcastically, oh, we know every rollout is going to be very smooth now. i mean, the party is worried about substance, about getting things done. if this is package, if this is the way it's going out, this is not a good thing. >> on reince priebus, because i -- this is sad that i wake up in the morning and i think, oh, jamie gangel's interview with reince priebus from last year,
it was just that good. and as we're talking so much about scaramucci and reince priebus, let me just air a little bit of your interview with him. this is before, i think, the president was even nominated. we're taking you back in time and then we'll talk on the other side. watch this. >> you have to accept the fact that there is a thousand opinions. i mean, so -- i'm so used to it that i don't even care. it doesn't bother me. >> you're not pulling out your hair. >> not -- no. i'm not. people assume, oh, you must be miserable, you got a horrible job. but i don't see it that way. i'm not -- that's what i'm saying. i'm not pouring bailey's in my cereal, sitting here trying to find the johnnie walker. this is fun. >> is it bailey's in his fruit loops now, jamie? >> i think it's bailey's, i think it's johnnie walker. >> sounds great. >> i don't think he's having fun is the bottom