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it was just that good. and as we're talking so much about scaramucci and reince priebus, let me just air a little bit of your interview with him. this is before, i think, the president was even nominated. we're taking you back in time and then we'll talk on the other side. watch this. >> you have to accept the fact that there is a thousand opinions. i mean, so -- i'm so used to it that i don't even care. it doesn't bother me. >> you're not pulling out your hair. >> not -- no. i'm not. people assume, oh, you must be miserable, you got a horrible job. but i don't see it that way. i'm not -- that's what i'm saying. i'm not pouring bailey's in my cereal, sitting here trying to find the johnnie walker. this is fun. >> is it bailey's in his fruit loops now, jamie? >> i think it's bailey's, i think it's johnnie walker. >> sounds great. >> i don't think he's having fun is the bottom line. just to put this in some
context. we're only six months in. >> right. >> this is not the first go round where reince priebus is out and there are all of these rumors that he's not long for this job, and his allies are pushing back, saying he's not going anywhere. that said, the level of the rumors, the dysfunction, the push is certainly different this week than we've ever heard before. but let's not forget, he serves at the pleasure of one person, that's donald trump, and that's when we'll know if he's in the job or if he's out. >> yeah. ladies, thank you so much. not enough time. let's talk more scaramucci, the mooch, next week. >> any time you want. >> okay. thank you so much. let's continue on. let's continue on. hour two. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> i'm brooke baldwin. we have more now on the stunning defeat of the republicans'
effort to repeal obamacare. moments ago, president trump going off script, sounding off against congress. >> they should have approved health care last night, but you can't have everything. boy, oh boy. they've been working on that one for seven years. can you believe that? the swamp. but we'll get it done. we're going get it done. you know, i said from the beginning, let obamacare implode and then do it. i turned out to be right. let obamacare implode. >> let obamacare implode, he says, in the end, it was just 19 seconds that dashed the seven years of hope after debating into the wee hours of the morning. it was senator john mccain right there who shocked a lot of his colleagues on the republican side, casting the third no vote, giving the dramatic thumbs down on the senate floor. there you go. joining me more to talk about
this and what happens next for health care in this country, jake tapper, host of "state of the union" and if the t"the lea" what do you make of the president saying, let obamacare implode. >> well, i mean, as a policy, it's not really optimal. i mean, obamacare is failing in several parts of the country with premiums going up, with very few options, with health insurance plans withdrawing from the exchanges, and the idea of letting it implode means millions of americans continuing to have skyrocketing premiums or have very few, if any, options when it comes to health care. it means, let americans suffer. so it's not really a policy prescription in any sense. >> on health care, we just played the moment, the thumbs down with senator mccain, there's so many story lines, you know, president obama's former opponent saving obama's signature piece of legislation
or coming back from cancer diagnosis to cast this deciding vote, or the senator who hasn't seen eye to eye with president trump delivering a major blow to his agenda two years and a week from donald trump saying he wasn't a hero. whatever it is, did it seem that senator mccain took one for the team, defending other senators who have been vulnerable for voting yes. how do you see that? >> from talking to people around mccain, it really comes down to the idea of his lack of confidence in the process and the fact that there was this possibility out there that so-called skinny repeal, which is ultimately what the republicans were voting for, except for three of them, and the democrats were voting against. skinny repeal, that's a banning any federal dollars going to planned parenthood. the repeal of the individual mandate, the repeal of the employer mandate and also the removal of the medical device
tax. that that -- the fear that that would actually become the health care law. that was what mccain was concerned about. obviously, we know all the back and forth, the democrats -- i'm sorry, the republicans in the house passed their bill. republicans in the senate couldn't come up with one. the pitch was to republicans, just pass skinny repeal, and then we'll have a conference committee where republicans in the house and senate will sit down and actually write legislation. but speaker paul ryan would not really guarantee and could not really guarantee that skinny repeal wouldn't just be passed by the house and then signed by president trump and become law. and that was what mccain was really worried about. he did not want -- he didn't trust this idea that it was just going to be a vessel or a vehicle for this big successful republican health care legislation that would come down the pike through conference committee. he was afraid that it was going to be a trap, that ultimately house republicans were just going to pass skinny repeal, president trump would sign it into law, they would be able to check the box, we repealed
obamacare, we did this successful thing, and then ultimately, it was lousy legislation. so that's why he voted the way he did. >> so that's the why on senator mccain. but what about the other two no's? you had two ladies, susan collins and lisa murkowski, also no's as well. wanted to mention that. between this, jake, and then the russian sanctions bill, and the defense of the a.g., jeff sessions, it seems like more and more republican lawmakers are starting to stand up to the president, stand up to the white house. >> yeah, it's not as surprising from collins and murkowski, who have been more maverick-y than even john mccain in a lot of ways, especially when it comes to health care legislation. susan collins and lisa murkowski have been expressing a lot of concerns about original drafts of the bill that took away funding for medicaid, the health
program, the government health program for poorer people and for disabled people. they expressed concern about banning -- not allowing women to spend their medicaid dollars to get check-ups or birth control with planned parenthood. there were a lot of things that they were upset about. what's more surprising is when you see dick shelby, the republican of alabama, or chuck grassley, the republican of iowa, who's chairman of the senate judiciary committee, these gentlemen saying things to the white house like, i'm not going to confirm another attorney general. that's not what the judiciary committee's doing. or their deep offense they've taken at the way president trump has been treating attorney general jeff sessions, who, of course, is a former colleague of theirs. that's where you see a lot of these republicans starting to stand up. and then of course, very significantly, is this russia sanctions bill which passed the house and senate overwhelmingly with veto-proof george w. bush
a majorities and then some, even though the white house has been lobbying against it. there's a real lack of confidence expressed in what president trump's doing in any number of these incidents that i just mentioned. >> thus the more and more people standing up against him. jake tapper, thank you so much for all that. thank you, sir. let's talk north korea now. the pentagon is telling cnn that pyongyang has fired another ballistic long-range missile, this one up in the air for about 45 minutes, about 8 minutes longer than the last landed just about 80 miles off the coast of japan. kim jong un has now launched a dozen missiles this year, and this comes as nears grow about progress toward developing a nuclear weapon. cnn's will ripley is live in beijing. he has spent a lot of time inside of north korea and jamie metsal is here with me, a former staff member on the national security council and a senior fellow on the atlantic council and he's also just back from china where he held meetings about the future of north korea. so, will ripley, just first to
you, tell me more about the trajectory of this icbm, the significance that it was so close to japan, and any sort of reaction. >> reporter: south korea's saying, brooke, that this is more advanced than the icbm that was launched on the fourth of july. its highest altitude was 3700 kilometers, around 2,300 miles. it traveled a distance of about 1,000 kilometers, landing within 100 nautical miles of japan in those waters known as the exclusive economic zone. they launched it really high and then it kind of went over and down like this but had it been launched at a normal trajectory, it could have put much of the united states within striking range. we're talking about cities as far away as denver, maybe even chicago and of course the analysts have been saying now, at the state department, that by early next year, so a matter of months from now, north korea
could have a reliable icbm, so a missile they could launch at any moment that could carry a nuclear warhead not miainland u.s. with pretty decent accuracy. that's pretty frightening for people watching north korea and weren't predicting this rapid of a development. >> jakenmie, good to see you. when they hear cities like denver and seattle thrown in the mix, your response to yet another icbm test, plus the fact that it went higher, was up in the air longer, it can go much farther out. >> north korea's goal in this is to develop a deliverable nuclear weapons capability capable of hitting anywhere in the united states, and frankly, that means anywhere in the world. so, each one of these incremental steps is an increase, but the core problem is the same today as it was yesterday, which is that north korea has an advanced missiles program, an advanced nuclear weapons program, and that's all going to come together into more
and more and greater and greater precision and their ability to deliver these deadly payloads and that leads us, again, to this same situation about what needs to be done. the trump administration policy has been a total tatters. there's no known policy. the united states has weakened its critical alliances with south korea and japan. it's undermined its leverage with china. >> what about china? you were just there. >> i was just there and i was speaking to top chinese leaders and what they were saying was, well, this is your problem. the united states needs to do more. >> your problem? check the geography. >> that's exactly what i was saying to them because north korea nuclear weapons, we need to -- the united states will continue to do more of what we have been doing, which is try, in spite of the problems we're having under this administration, to strengthen and shore up our alliances, rebalancing of military assets, building of our strategic missile defense capabilities, all of those things weaken china and if north korea develops --
further develops its nuclear weapons, there's going to be a lot of pressure as there is now on south korea and then possibly japan to develop their nuclear weapons and that makes that environment much more complicated and so the chinese really need to step up in a much bigger way than they have so far. >> all of this as the u.s. has shortened our own timetable and calendar of when we think they'll be nuclear capable. that said, we wait for more fallout and the response for president trump. thank you for coming by. and will ripley, for all your trips to north korea, we thank you as well. ahead here, two of the people closest to the president in this feud, we have new reporting today about the fate of the chief of staff, reince priebus, and the vulgar attack he received from the new guy at the white house. plus russia retaliating as congress sends a new sanctions bill to the president's desk. the key question, this is what jake tapper was alluding to, will he sign it. and from the boy scout speech to the president declaring himself as the most
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the white house. oh, to be a fly on the wall during the flight the president just took to long island here in new york, because on this very plane was anthony scaramucci, the white house communications director, and the chief of staff, reince priebus. as this whole rivalry has taken a new, ugly turn. the "new yorker," if you have not read this, start reading it now. just released, this vulgarity-laced interview scaramucci gave to correspondent ryan lizza. he called reince priebus a paranoid schizophrenic. the mooch, as he refers to himself, later tweeted this. i sometimes use colorful language. i will refrain in this arena but not give up the passionate fight for donald trump's agenda. sara murray is at the white house for us today. sara, any word on the flight and how these two manage that. >> oh, brooke, wouldn't you have loved to be on the plane with the two of them? this is not the large air force one. this is the smaller air force one, so you know, not that many places to escape from one
another. we have not heard exactly how that flight went. they did not seem to want to comment, apparently, as they deplaned when they were arriving in new york. but look, i think it's so striking that you have had this public feud, you've had anthony scaramucci say these horrific things about the chief of staff and the chief strategist. what we have not heard is president trump come to the defense of his chief of staff. now, of course, a lot of tongues have been wagging over these last couple of days and there have always been rumors that reince priebus could soon be out the door here at the white house and those rumors are starting once again, wondering what the the face of a chief of staff if he's allowing someone like the white house communications director to say things about them, no defense from the president. allies to priebus insist he's not stepping down or resigning. he's staying here. his position is safe. they point to the fact that he accompanied the president to new york as an indication of that, but it just sort of gives you a sense of how dysfunction continues to rein in this white house and it's not happening
while the president's priorities are being executed upon side-by-side. we saw this health care bill go down in a week where there has been epic back biting in the west wing and it makes you wonder how long this can continue with all these gentlemen working under the same roof. >> no comment on the smaller plane and certainly that also means no public apology either. sara murray, i know you're watching for it. thank you so much. and listen, if this is like the "game of thrones" over there, we'll talk to a former campaign chief who can explain why the leaks here will not stop. for your heart... your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide.
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conflict seems to be consuming the trump white house. not only is the new white house communications director picking a fight with the president's chief of staff, as this photo from the "wall street journal" seems to perfectly sum up their chilly relationship, but the list of white house officials at odds with the president himself is growing. the trump feuds now include, we have photos for you, jeff sessions, the attorney general, his deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, his acting fbi director, andy mccabe and his chief of staff reince priebus and his national security adviser h.r. mcmaster. with me now, a former spokesman for the republican national committee in the white house and the former communications director for marco rubio's presidential campaign and henson moore who was a former louisiana congressman. gentlemen, welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> alex, to you first. and i know you wrote all about leaks but i just have to ask, just talking to sara murray over
at the white house on all things scaramucci and priebus, you know, according to the pool, when scaramucci was asked about his comments on priebus and bannon, he said, quote, better not to comment. do you think this is a guy who's going to apologize? >> i mean, obviously he should apologize. look, i don't understand how he can get on an airplane with reince priebus, let alone look him in the eye, after those comments were printed, and he hasn't apologized for them. to me, that -- i don't know how you move forward without acknowledging that those comments were totally inappropriate and that the chief of staff is owed an apology. i mean, obviously, there are much deeper issues at play here, but just as a man, i would think that he would want to apologize to reince priebus for it. >> mr. moore, you served as deputy chief of staff under bush 41 and by now, we're familiar with this flcolorful language tt scaramucci used in this "new yorker" interview. maybe we've never seen a communications director use this
kind of language publicly but it's my understanding you say every white house has tensions like this. >> yeah, there's really no news in the fact that you have people unhappy in the white house, and some would even go so far as to leak information from the white house. it's not good. it ought to be controlled. it undermines the ability of president to get his job done. but it happens. and with people on the white house staff tend to forget is they're not there because they're the smartest people in the world. they're there to help a president. and they should be thinking about the president and what's good for the president every day. when they start leaking or they start squabbles within the white house, they're obviously following an agenda other than that, in my opinion. >> hopefully they're pretty smart too if this is the white house but we know in this interview with scaramucccci, al, he said it was the leaks coming out of the white house and the intel community that really irked him the most and he says, maybe i'll just fire them all, you know, he's working hard to end the leaks, but you know, in a sense, you want to say,
welcome to washington, sir. i mean, is that even a possibility? >> so i wrote a piece in politico today, actually, about this very issue. he can't just fire everybody and expect the leaks will stop, because look, all political organizations leak to a certain degree. the ones that leak the most do so because they lack unity, they lack loyalty, and they lack self-discipline, and clearly this white house lacks all three of them. and frankly, it's because of the president's own behavior. he has not given his white house team a unifying principle beyond just defending his own reputation. he's clearly doesn't inspire loyalty in people because loyalty's a two-way street. the way he's treated reince priebus and his attorney general does not instill loyalty in others. and finally, it's no secret that the president himself often has off the record conversations with reporters where he says more than he should. if the president himself is leaking to reporters as he does, then it's hard to expect his
staff not to follow his example. >> well, let's just, you know, let's get some perspective of previous white houses and how this worked. i mean, henson, to my understanding, you have some pretty great stories on how, you know, president bush and how he dealt with leaks within his own white house. how did bush sr. keep this under wraps? >> well, basically, the first thing is, the staff has to realize they're not serving the president well. secondly, my experience, we should see a very strong chief of staff, and i'm not commenting on the current one. i'm simply saying the one i saw work in internally in jim baker. he had the complete support of the president. he and the president were very close friends. therefore, president bush could turn over the total running of the white house to jim baker. jim baker, in turn, very carefully controlled the staff. you only knew what you needed to know to get your job done. there were just a handful of, a
small group of people around jim baker that knew everything that was going on. therefore, if there was any kind of leak, or any kind of trouble, jim baker knew exactly where it came from. consequently, there wasn't any. he actually brought order and he brought discipline to a white house that needed it at a time in 1992 when things were pretty tough for president bush. i think that donald trump, president trump's in the same place now. he's having a hard time getting his administration running smoothly, partly because this is new to him. it seems to be now a lot of the people around him in the white house. and some discipline needs to be brought. and it needs to be brought differently. >> what would that be? if i may just jump in, what advice? what would that discipline look like? what advice would you have for this current white house? >> well, i think that president trump needs to sit down and figure out who's really close to him and he's got give them, that person, the power to really run the white house, and then he needs to also brief that only a
few people need to be brought in on everything. and therefore, you limit the amount of people involved in something and you therefore limit the ability for any kind of meaningful leak to the press. and that's one way you get it done and that's the way i saw it done. >> mr. president, are you watching? are you watching? yeah, alex, quickly, go ahead. >> i largely agree with what he just said. you need to have one person who's in charge. you can't have a communications director who reports directly to the president and a chief of staff. you need to have clear chains of command. otherwise, you're going to have all sorts of factions forming and they're going to leak against each other as we've seen and the infighting will continue. >> thank you both so much. >> thank you. president trump facing a huge decision about whether to sign a new russia sanctions bill, but as he decides, russia today is retaliating. hear what vladimir putin did to the u.s. diplomats and properties. i was playing golf days ago...
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russia retaliating today after congress passed a new sanctions bill against moscow, a bill that is right now sitting on the president's desk. vladimir putin taking control of several u.s. diplomatic properties and ordering many u.s. diplomats and staff out of the country. but here's the question. will president trump sign this bill that cracks down on russia for meddling in last year's election? the white house has been reluctant, saying it will hurt the president's chances to cooperate with russia. ben judah, author of "fragile empire" is back with us today. ben, nice to see you. >> thank you. >> let me just begin with a retaliation. can you explain the significance of these moves, these sudden moves by the kremlin? >> the kremlin's classic playbook is mirroring retaliation, any sanctions that the united states puts on russia, it wants to be able to
mirror them, to show that it too is a superpower that can bite at what matters to the united states. the problem for russia is that whilst russian money and russian kleptocrats and russian banks have lots of reasons and lots of interests in the united states, there isn't so much that the u.s. has in russia that makes it vulnerable to leverage. so, what putin has done is try and hit on u.s. diplomats and u.s. diplomatic services here. is it coffmparable to the effec of the sanctions hitting banks, these sanctions hitting really the funding networks of russian kleptocrats? not really. >> but if the president goes on and signs this bill, how will vladimir putin react to that? >> what it will mean if the president goes on to sign this bill is that hopes of a reset, hopes of a deal between trump
and putin are dead. because the core of this has always been putin trying to lift sanctions. why is putin so desperate to lift sanctions? that's because russia is a clep tock rah r kleptocracy. they will take their money out of russia and put it abroad and launder it through the wests and what the sanctions have done is limit and freeze a lot of their financial flows so he's desperate to lift them because it harms his partnership with the people around him. now, this bill, if passed, cements those sanctions. and it means that what russia's meddling would have given it over the last election cycle in the u.s. is really very little, and it will be fitting in with what i see as a historical pattern of russian
overextension, of overplaying its hand, that we see in the 19th century and we see in actions that precipitated the cold war. >> well, it's a piece of legislation that is waiting for the president's autograph that had so much support within congress it is veto-proof. ben judah, we'll see what the fallout is either way. coming up next, if your head isn't entirely spinning from this crazy week in washington, you have not been paying close enough attention. we'll discuss where the trump administration goes from here. he spent decades fighting to give families a second chance. but to help others, they first had to protect themselves. i have afib. even for a nurse, it's complicated... and it puts me at higher risk of stroke. that would be devastating. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself. once i got the facts, my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®... to help keep me protected. once-daily xarelto®, a latest-generation blood thinner... ...significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. it has similar effectiveness to warfarin.
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just in, we have republican senator lisa murkowski explaining her no vote on her party's bill to replace obamacare. it reads, in part, "i voted no on health care last night because both sides must do better on process and substance. the affordable care act remains a flawed law that i am committed to reforming with a structure that works better for all americans." in case you missed the memo here, this was supposed to be american heroes week at the white house, but instead, we saw white house cursing, white house infighting, presidential attacks
on the attorney general, and even wild presidential speech to the boy scouts. the week that was. watch. >> who the hell wants to speak about politics when i'm in front of the boy scouts? >> let me be very clear. i did not collude with russia. >> a scout is trustworthy, loyal -- we could use some more loyalty. >> you've seen the president's criticism of you. do you think it's fair? >> well, it's kind of hurtful. >> reince wants to explain that he's not a leaker, let him do that. let me tell you something about myself. i am a straight shooter. >> with the exception of the late great abraham lincoln, i can be more presidential than any president that's ever held this office. >> breaking overnight, the thumb heard around the world. >> senator john mccain gave this skinny repeal the thumbs down. >> so now, mr. president, it's
time to move on. >> and that was just this week. gloria borger is with me from washington, in the thick of things. our chief political analyst here. and gloria, my goodness, where to begin? how about just looking at the week that was, and do you foresee, as a result of all of the above, a major shake-up coming? >> look, the way things are progressing are kind of unsustainable. i would have to say to you. and i think the president of the united states has to make some decisions. he's got open warfare among his top staffers in the white house. and you had anthony scaramucci, as you know, openly speaking to ryan lizza, saying some pretty awful things, very awful things about the white house chief of staff, and the question is, was he channeling trump himself? and scaramucci seems emboldened. reince priebus has not been
supported by people inside this white house. and so i think some, you know, some decisions have to be made by the president of the united states about the operation of his white house and how that impacts his agenda. and you know, you've got the sessions problem swirling out there. you've got the special counsel investigation. you've got a legislative agenda that is stalled. you have a president that announced transgender policy that was not cleared by the military. you have bullying that went on of senator murkowski that did not work. so, you know, there are a lot of issues here, and i think somebody needs to take stock about what's going on and how to try and right the ship. >> so much attention has been paid to the new guy and of course with the lizza piece in the "new yorker," you know, much ado about scaramucci, but i just
want to know more about reince priebus, the chief of staff, and what's his next move? i mean, is he just sort of head down, keep fighting the good fight or what? >> well, it depends who you talk to, quite honestly. i've done some reporting along with my colleagues who cover the white house and it really does depend on who you talk to. some people say, look, he's been looking for an elegant way to leave for a while and one hasn't appeared. others are saying, the president is ready to say good-bye. others are saying that scaramucci's bad behavior this week gives reince a new lease on life. so, it really depends on which faction you're talking to. and again, the only person who really actually knows what is going to occur is the president. because he's the one who has to make the decisions here about personnel inside this white house, and i am sure the president himself, while to blame for many of these problems, does not believe that this is smooth sailing inside
the white house. >> let me share with you this quote from sally yates, an op-ed that was in today's "new york times," former attorney general issued this new warning. "the president is attempting to dismantle the rule of law, destroy the time honored independence of the justice department and undermine the career of men and women who are devoted to seeking justice day in and day out regardless of which political party is in power. if we are not careful, when we wake up from the trump presidency, our justice system may be broken beyond recognition." now, again, check the source. this is a woman who the president fired, so obviously she's critical. but we've also seen a number of republican lawmakers this week openly critical. it was lindsey graham saying the bit about there will be holy hell if sessions is fired in that white house. is this a trend of more and more people, both left, right, and center standing up to the white house? >> i do. i think the sessions issue has inspired sort of bipartisan
messages to the president that you can't do this. you can't -- you can't fire jeff sessions, whose job it is to be independent, and you have chuck grassley, the chairman of the senate judiciary committee, saying, mr. president, if you fire sessions, we don't have time to schedule a hearing on his replacement. how about that one. so, you know, republicans who, by the way, like jeff sessions because he is conservative, and there are democrats who don't like jeff sessions but believe in the independence of the justice department who say, this is a nonstarter, mr. president. be careful. think about this. because it will have repercussions for you. >> gloria, thank you as always. >> sure. >> thank you. and let's take a moment now to honor this week's cnn hero. >> when i first started 20 years ago, no one has ever studied sun bears. the more i learned about them,
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comedy looks at how genius often has a dark side. >> i despise myself from pretty much close to getting out of the womb. i was always wrong, let's start with that. when you're always wrong, you seek an audience to disprove that theory. i was just hell-bent on having to prove myself. i know i'm right. i can't be always wrong, you know, i was the victim. >> my father was a very strange man. he was kind of a performance artist that was fueled by beer. >> overshy and at home i was always quiet and didn't get to speak very often just because other people were jibber-jabbering a lot. when i would do voices, people
would say, that's weird, or shut up. there was a fear of seeming crazy. >> a lot of comedians are people who are very introverted, very shy, sensitive to humiliation, a little knnarcissistic, a little damaged. so the only way to survive is go to a place where you are stripped bare. >> i had a chance to speak to richard lewis. here he is. we know we love you from hbo. this whole series is about comedy and the darker side and dak addiction, alcohol and drugs and whatnot. you wrote a book about this. you had your own battle. what's different about your come by being sober versus not? >> well, i've been sober almost 23 years a day at a time, which is true, and sometimes a minute
at a time. i was hell-bent on being honest as a comedian from the get-go, and i was. but it wasn't until i admitted that i was a drurnk and an alcoholic and a sex addict -- you name it, you could be addicted to anything, really. when i got clean and sober is when my comedy really took off for me personally, because then i was really myself on stage. i always thought i was myself. i mean, i had success and i usually tried to watch myself, which was my rationalization. like i did carnegie hall, i did two and a half hours. it was so loud and it was a great night, but i would have maybe half a glass of wine at noon before the show, so i was sober, but then after the show to celebrate the success, i got hammered and when i went down to the party of like 300 friends from childhood on, i made a complete fool of myself. so in real life, i was a total
mess. >> what about, though, your humor and people think of you and your appearances with larry david. it's that similar comedic style which we love, which is self-deself hi self-depracating making your fears and anxieties funny. why do you think doing that as become so popular? >> i don't know why it's become popular. i did it from the get-go. my dad died before i became a performer. i have a sister that moved out when i was 12 and i have an older brother who was basically living in manhattan. so i was alone, and my mother, unfortunately, had a lot of problems, you know. i love her, i loved her, but we didn't get along. and she didn't get me. so i really felt -- my father didn't know anything about my career. my mother didn't get me, and my siblings were way older. so i thought i was tethered to,
like, nothing. that's why it's sort of weird -- >> that's where it came from? >> the need for approval. my mother was proud of me, but i wouldn't have known it, you know. i remember if we were watching like jackie gleason, she would say, now, that's talent! >> you're like, thanks, thanks. >> but i get it. i'm glad that not everybody understands me. you know, it's like -- i feel like an independent film. it's not for everybody. >> let's talk more about you just lastly, richard. "curb your enthusiasm." so many fans coming back. tell me about it. >> larry david and i were born three days apart in the same ward. >> i thought you were going to say the same womb. >> no. we would have had a fight in the womb, believe me. he tried to strangle me with my mother's umbilical cord. that was my umbilical cord.
my mother brought a second one, she didn't trust my own. larry and i have known each other since birth. he's a genius. to me he's the norman lear of the last 30 years without question. he's a genius. and we love each other. and we fight all the time. in the nine seasons, every scene i have is with him and every scene is a fight. i would call home and my wife would say, how did it go? i would say, what's the difference? i put makeup on. i screamed at him like i did yesterday. he screamed at me. he edits the show. i don't know what he's going to use. don't ask me. he always watches my back and i just love the relationship. >> i know there are a lot of people around here who can't wait to see more of it, more of you. richard lewis, thank you so much. >> it's a great special. i'm glad cnn did it, and i think this one this sunday is maybe, for a lot of reasons, the most profound, because it'scomedy, i
behavior and alcoholism. >> sunday night, 10:00 eastern right here on cnn. it was a pleasure. richard lewis, thank you for coming on and talking to me about this. thank you for being with me on a friday afternoon. don't move a muscle, though. jake tapper and "the lead" starts right now. it looks like maverick turned that republican health care bill into goose. "the lead" starts now. i solemnly swear, and i mean swear, the white house turns into total chaos. how is this making america great again? plus, breaking news. the north korea threat just got even more alarming. another missile landing dangerously close to a u.s. ally. what does this say about kim jong-un's nuclear program and how about president trump respon