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i'm chris cuomo in for don lemon. cnn has learned special counsel, robert mueller is crossing the president's red line. remember when the president said don't mess with his money. it's going to rr far if the special counsel looks into his finances. the fbi is reviewing financial records related to president trump, his family and the trump organization. cnn also learning that mueller has issued grand jury subpoenas for documents and testimony for people involved in the donald trump jr. meeting at trump tower. the president's white house attorney ty cob saying quote the white house is committed to fully cooperating with mr. muellerer. listen to what president trump said about all of this tonight in wa wa. >> the russia story is a total fabrication. it's just an excuse for the greatest loss in the history of
american politics. that's all it is. >> interesting little bit of a pivot from the president. usually he bashes us, the free media about this but not this time. he's going with the democrats. interesting pivot there. but let's dus cuswhat these developments mean to the investigation. former federal prosecutor for the federal district of new york. thank you for being with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> so let me start with you. how would you prioritize? what is impressive to you? >> there are two things. i prioritize them as equal though. follow the money and take the meeting that is so critical in which there is a meeting about russia with russians and the second meeting in which they're deciding how to cover it up and the president writes the letter for trump jr.
those are really important things to focus on and going backing to when i was a puppy prosecutor and thought i wanted to work for herbert stern who won these cases because he followed the money trail and this is a man, trump. money and rep. that's it. getting elected and those two seem key to this fella and i think that way they can have information they can prove and demonstrate for the whole public as well as the jury. >> the big push back we keep hearing is none of this is a crime. nothing you're talking about is a crime. there's no proof there's any criminal transactions of a financial nature, even if the president had a heavy hand in drafting the misleading statement about the don trump jr. meeting. not a crime. >> right. i think one of the developments today is the fact it's been leaked that grand jury subpoenas have been issued from the grand
jury. but we have rnt had any evidence or proof of any crime andyard like the go to the one point that needs to be made here and that's if bob mueller and his small u.s. attorney's office does go beyond the 2016 election and get into trump organization finances unrelated to the 2016 election and unrelated to russian coordination, if it exists. i think that would be crossing a red line. i think that's when the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, who i served with in the bush administration, he needs to step in and pull the reigns back on bob mueller if he goes outside of the bounds of his delegation of authority. >> his bow tie is moving east to west in a negative fashion. >> i like matt. but i disagree strongly. >> you never agree with me, john. >> what's your take?
>> the fact he would rewrite his son's note at that age is consciousness of guilt. it's a piece of evidence that shows he wants to conseal the whole thing and as for the money, the money is part of the quid pro quo. the interrelationship of these people and the money and i think it's critical that they're looking at things when he's quote a civilian which opens up the possibility of prosecuting him by indictment as one of the opinions supported when ken starr was an independent counsel. so i think there are lot of dangers -- >> go ahead. >> if you were the judge and this was a trial i would immediately object to assuming facts not in evidence to what john's saying. >> these facts are in evidence. before i make a ruling, which facts are we discussing? >> i feel like i'm in court.
>> the single dollar. >> the talk about money laundering and why would have a prosecutor in new york step down from an investigation involving vast sums of money that crossed from russia into the united states and them talking about what their exchange is and to believe that the sankszs are not about money, which is exactly what putin was upset about some of the sanctions because his money was off shore and it was effecting him personally. and as for trump, there are questions bouts what were his holdings in russia that were bragged about by erick years ago. so to say you don't talk about money in this case is to avoid the obvious something given what motivates the people involved. >> go ahead, matthew, finish your point. >> that's the great thing about having a grand jury. >> the grand jury is a tool of the prosecutor.
it's not liking it stops anything that a prosecutor wants to do. >> matthew, respond. >> you're right. but the grand jury is a very effective means to get these bank records to get the transaction details and to also bring people in front of them that cannot claim the fifth and have to testify in front of the grand jury. it's a big deal investigation-wise and i think it is going to get to the bottom of all these allegations that i keep hearing john lay out. >> that's an important distinction you gentleman are drawing. for the audience that didn't have the insanity to go to law school. the process should not be mistaken for the productivity. we don't know what will come from the requests for information and testimony. we'll have to see. i understand the special counsel has criminal jurisdiction here. but there is a parallel, at
least conconcern of a political nature and you mentioned rosenstein may have to step in and pull back the reins if mueller goes too far. imagine if the president were to make good on his threat, a hyperbolic as it may have been intended, don't go after my money. that's too far, then what would happen in this situation? not legally but the optics and the politics and the realities of rosenstein saying to mueller stop doing that or the president saying mueller's gone too far, step in. what would that mean? >> it would be a complete political cunipgz in washington d.c. but it would also i think be consistent with the constitution. we cannot have unaccountable prosecutor that pursues whatever they want to pursue without any relationship to the people
ultimately -- >> i hear somewhere in chap qua, new york named bill clinton going amen, brother, amen rksz and matthew is saying this would be abusive of the constitution if they were over reaching. and i bring up president clinton and who knows that better than him. we started with a land transaction and ended with monica lewinsky. >> i know baal bob mueller and i was on the judiciary committee when bob starr toifred. and i don't think they're the same number one. we have a real question about how rosenstein -- he's in a very particular position. he wrote the memo that justified the firing of comey because of had you the clintsen investigation was handled ironically. and i think that he thought after the president said no, no i fired him because he was
investigating the russian matter and so i think he's in a very peculiar position and conflicted himself and i suspect if they said fire comey, he would probably end up being resigned or fined or fired himself. and that pride can only happen if we change the attorney general and i think it would be an american catastrophe, a failure of the system and people like senator lindsey graham already put down their marker. there will be hell to pay if that's what happens. >> we will see. thank you very much for your perspective. let's take another quick break. when we come back, follow the money. you always hear that about special prosecutions and sure enough the special prosecutor is on the trump money trail. what cnn has learned about money documents related to the trump
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told the new york times that he would consider it going too far. crossing a red line. take a listen. >> mueller was looking at your finances, your family's finances, unrelated to russia. is that a red line? >> would that be a breach of what his actual charge is? >> i would say yeah. i would say yes. >> is that real threat or just hyperbole? we asked kellyanne conway what the implications would be. what would the president do about it? >> there's a second layer, which is that the special counsel is looking and asking for financial documents related to the president's holdings and to people who may have had had business dealings with the president that may be relevant to the investigation. he said looking at his finances may be a red line not to cross
for the special counsel. >> the president has said that jim comey, the former fbi director assured him on three separate occasions that he's not personally a target of any investigations. we know these types of endeavors end up being fishing expeditions. they were very broadly cast net and i would remind everybody that in terms of president trump he said he has no financial dealings with russia whatsoever. the miss universe pageant happened to make its way to russia. eight or nine years ago he was there for that and his son have also repeated. the business have no financial dealings with russia. and in this case, again i think people are just talking about an investigation that exists but looking for collusion and conclusions that don't exist. >> well, what you didn't hear kellyanne do is say here's what
the president will do because this crosses that line. so we're in a pause mode there. we have two of our reporters who broke this story. pamela brown and shimon. what have you learned about mr. mueller pf's season on trum and his associate's ties to russia? >> they have reviewed records related to the trump organization. we're told investigators have come through the list of shell companies and buyers of trump brand real estate properties and found interesting connections to russians. they've also, the fbi and investigators examined background of russian business associates dating as far back as the 2013 miss universe pageant. all of this is part of their ongoing look at sort of the years thatd trump and his
associates have had connections to the russians. >> so pamela, for another piece now it's not just about the trump organization. it's about associates like paul manafort. >> so we've learned, chris, what peeked investigators interest last july when it started. we learned they became more suspicious when they turned up intercepted communications that u.s. intelligence agencies collected among suspected russian operatives that were discussing their efforts. to coordinate information that could damage hillary clinton's election prospects and these u.s. officials say that these operatives you suspected operatives relaid what they claimed were the conversations they were having with manafort encouraging help from the russians. they could have been
exaggerating, even lying. and he's denied he colluded with russians. that is where this began a year ago. now investigators, as this investigation enters its second year are focussed on whether he was involved with money laundering, in his business dealings with the pro russia party in ukrain. that gives you a sense of how this investigation has expanded sflp pamela's raising aing good point there. it's not about where it begins, it's about where it leads and where it ends. so in terms of context of timing here and where it could go, this is what they call the ken starr problem, right? you start with a land deal and end with monica liewinskylewins. the question is from when? is it just during the campaign? does it prestheed campaign? is it open ended and if so does that open a window to charges about things that may have
nothing to do with the campaign? >> absolutely. and not only has to do with the president, has to do with family members perhaps and other people close to him and people who have worked on his campaign and this is going back all the way to 2013 and this is all part of what the fbi and others, these investigators and special counsel are trying to figure out and sort of take a deep dive in the people who worked for the organization with donald trump and they also want to look at some of the financial ties to see sort of what were these loans? what were other connections perhaps of some of the russians that may have been buying up properties, renting space at trump tower or leasing office space or whatever it may be, it's all sort of to try to figure out whether they have been spending time building a relationship with the people around donald trump. >> we keep saying mueller. and he is the special counsel.
he is the main man. but the team also matters. and pamela, other than hearing about exaggerations and allegations about who they donated money to, there's not much known about the team. but there have been ads and their backgrounds are relevant. how so? >> that's right. you can look at how many people have been compiled, how he's running this investigation and who's been picked to be part of it and have a better understanding of where it's going. and so many of their backgrounds, the attorneys and investigators, their backgrounds are in fraud and crimes. he's compiled more than three dozen attorneys and other staff in an office here in washington d.c. and officials we've spoken with describe it as a small u.s. attorney's office with the investigators assigned to separate groups, looking into different categories, various aspects of this investigation. these include groups focussed on
russia collusion as well as these investigations focussed on manafort and former national security advisor, michael flynn and these are lawyers who are coming from kucushy law firm jo to work in this special probe. even california are coming here to washington to be part of this and as it stands there are 16 attorneys assigned to this probe, not includeing all the other investigates from fbi and support staff. >> that is a big team, but the question is what have they come up with? thank you very much for advancing the reporting. appreciate it. going to take a break here on cnn tonight. when we come back, transcripts of president trump's calls with world leaders have been leaked. and it does sound like the president is contradicting himself on one of his biggest campaign promises. we'll give it to you next.
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xm radio host. i want to get your reaction to the washington post releasing the transcripts from president trump's phone calls with mexican president and the australian pm in january. as we mentioned earlier, the president had heated exchanges with both leaders and said some unorthodox things to say the least. in the phone call with the mexican president, president trump said we cannot say that anymore because if you're going to say that mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then i don't want to meet with you guys anymore because i can't live with that. i'm willing to say we will work it out but that means it will come out in the wash and that's okay. but you can't say anymore that the united states is going to pay for the wall. i'm just going to say that we are working it out. believe it or not this is the least important thing we're talking about but politically it
might be the most important to talk about. what's your take on that? >> obviously there's two issues. the first one, the leaks. these can't continue. whoever did this, better pack a toothbrush because general kelly's going to get to the bottom of this and they're going to jail. you can't run a government with having these leaks. you have to be able to have confidential classified information without it ending up on cnn, the new york times or whatever. i think we can all agree on that. but the bigger issue is style and substance. everybody's upset about these comments because they bristle at president trump's style of communication. i look at the substance. now many people have said they've gone with the talking points, which is these haven't been authenticated. i read them. i think their rr about as
authentic as you're going to find. he's talking to leaders. he's doing exactly what he said in the campaign that he would do, that he would stand up for america. he's not the president of australia or mexico. he's standing up for american interests and americans and he's fighting back and his frankness and candor, quite frankly, chris, is refreshinging to americans that elected him to stand up for us. as far as the world is concerned. no pdy ever thought that the mexican government was going to send a check to the u.s. treasury. eve everybody that understands this issue understands the mexicans have a massive trade surplus with the u.s., that we ship our jobs to mexico to play -- to take advantage of the chief slave trade labor network and get the products back to the u.s. without a tariff and the
president has said i'm going to put up to a 30 or 35% tariff on these goods coming back to save the american worker and u.s. jobs and that's going to help pay for the wall. so this is a matter of style over substance. everything, the substance of what he said is 100% accurate. you look at his conversation with australian prime minister -- >> turnbull. >> he said wait a minute. why are we taking 1250 refugees that your country has rejected and they're in jail? it doesn't make no sense for us. >> one subject at time. because there's another take on what he was doing with pen yetto is he was saying the wall was a political device and we had to get our stories straight so we could move on to things that
mattered more. what's your take? >> john, i'm trying to deal with a list of things. first of all no one is going to go to jail for leaking this information because you said something john that's nart true. this was not classified information. these were staff people who were listening and deliberately listening, asked to listen as allss have people who do that and they were making notes of the conversation. so you don't go to jail because you have these memos. so let's get that straight for the american people. so no one's going to jail and if that was the case, you might as well empty the white house. because you won't kbroe it came from. number two, you can talk about a 35% tariff, if you want to throw that at mexico. and what do you think the mexican president will do? you'll start a trade war because for every action there's an
opposite and equal reaction. number three the reason that the australian president said -- the prime minister said he can't take these people in is because they have laws and they were trying to prevent smuglers. remember, it's an island and they were trying to prevent people using boats to smuggle in people. number three or four. these were not a bad hombres or bad people. these were economic refugees and trump did not say 1200. trump said 2,000. and so he exaggerated on that matter and the other thing that the australian president said which was true is that we had a deal. and when america make as deal, when it's a previous president or not, america is supposed to live up to its deal. and finally you're absolutely right.
this was a political issue. rally after rally and you can go back in your archives from everywhere from fox to cnn to msnbc to every network where he said mexico is going to pay for this wall. now we all know that. and the reality is that they estimate that wall's going to cost something like $21 billion and trump said i'm good at building things and so you have congress that's put aside 1.6 billion, which is a hell of a long way from the 21 billion it's going to cost. the other factor, and i'll close with this is these are presidents and leaders of their own country and you simply can't go around bullying presidents. if he said we're not going to pay for the wall, he's got to get reelected in the country.
>> i just spoke to kellyanne conway about the administration's propose tool cutback maybe by 50%. and there's this new merit based criteria standard, their thinking of
introducing. i know how proud you are of your fammy and of you and what you did with opportunity. they broke their backs to provide for you and for me. that promise, at the pedestal of the statue of liberty are not words just added later, as steven miller suggested at the press con ference. they matter. those were the solemn promise of this country to the world. not just that we take the best of the best. we take those yearning to be free. you know those words from the poem better than i do. >> look, your giving some sweeping statement about america
and patriotism and i totally agree, that's why i'm here suving in the white house. but let's be honest. did you ever get this exercise about the illegal immigrants who were deported many times and killed people like kate steinle? have you ever felt this impassioned about it? because you act like everyone is the same and that's not true. and what the senator sdwhz president were saying yesterday is. a merit-based immigration system should be considered as a way to make sure that we are keeping wages higher and remaining competitive as america
-- an american work force, people looking for work. >> to me it seems to be a little bit of a strained argument. forget about the katy steinle part of it it. it deserves attention. it's gotten plenty. but this idea there's an economic basis. do people buy that and as a
value judgment, it's time to change or rethink how we consider the prommase of this country. >> chris the real value judgment is to protect middle and low income wage workers in the united states who have been screwed over and over by this government who has had had policies of shipping jobs over seas to take advantage of slave cheap labor and bringing immigrants in through student visas or anything else to take jobs from americans. the real issue here is for american workers trying to make ends meet whose wages haven't gone up and who can't make it and these policies of immigration that we have is driven by two things. democrats desire to get cheap votes and republicans and the chamber of commerce desire to get cheap labor.
that is screwing the american worker. i don't know how much blunt to say it. the policy of donald trump here, which by the way is the same aul most that aust railia has. the country that joe madison is holding up as the lighting image. what he is saying is look, for the first time in 40 years we're going to prioritize americans and the american worker. that's the difference. >> hey, real quick. let me tell you something. let me talk about my ancestors. you don't give a dam what language they spoke when you grabbed them from west africa and east africa and here. you brought them here for cheap labor. if you want to talk about labor. let's talk about what's happening in canton, mississippi where they won't even allow workers to even have union representation. so if it you really want to put
americans to work, pay them a livable wage. let's see what donald trump thinks about a $15 an hour job and i guarantee you pay people a livable wage and you won't have to worry about it. what do you stie people who come from countries where there are civil wars? you have to tell a child, a mother, somebody who's leaving a civil war or starvation, you can't come to america because you can't speak english, that's not the america that i live in. >> i appreciate this. this was a robust conversation. you made cnn tonight better. we're going to take a break. when we come back. there's a lawsuit over a false fox news story. the white house is in that suit's cross hairs. the fox contributor behind the suit joins us. g. more than one flavor, or texture, or color. a good clean salad is so much more than green. and with panera catering, more for your event.
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discredit the conclusion that russia hacked the election. i want to bring in our senior media correspondent, ryan stelter. we know that fox news retracted the story. but what else has happened? usually in a situation like this if it really isn't true, if anything in this lawsuit is true, you'd see a lot of action by a news organization. what are we seeing here? >> that was in midmay. since then there has not been a lot from fox. no disciplinary action that we know of. however, we do know they brought in outside lawyers to handle this case from rod we'll. we know they're looking forward to the discovery process. they would like to depose people like sean spicer. back when spicer had a meeting with wheeler and the got donor at the white house where they talked about this.
the theory that has hurt the slain dnc staffer's family so much. it creates a sense that maybe there's more to the story. but there's lot we don't know. and we don't know how much evidence he has to back up his assertion. >> so there will be that eventuality. but the it only thing we do know for sure at this point is that the family is devastated by this controversy and conspiracy theories. their statement is hopefully this will be an end to the investigation of our son and his death. there's no proof rich was connected to the wikileaks. >> that's right. the police believe this was an armed robbery attempt gone wrong one year ago in washington. out of that one fact, there's been a mountain of lies and m mistruths and conspiracies all
designed to show it wasn't russia that hacked the dnc. it wasn't designed to help trump. it was actually maybe this kid that sent it to wikileaks. the family has been devastated by the claims. they wish these conspiracy theorists would go away. fox gave this theory a lot of credibility for a week in may, partly thanks to rod wheeler but now wheeler says he was misquoted. >> wheeler worked for them as a contributor. the donor was one of their contributors. so the allegations about the white house much softer ground and much luckily for us we have a man that can put meat on our bones. joining us now is the man that filed the lawsuit. former washington d.c. homicide detective. and he has with him his attorney, jean christianson. let's get some of the allegations. and we interviewed ed betousky
and he had had stiff responses. i want to get your response to his arg imeument. the main allegation is that they used you to forward a lie, essentially, that they misquoted you. is that your argument? >> let me start out by saying that my hearts and prayers go out to the rich family. they always have. i really tried hard to find a murderer, not to debunk a russian narrative or support a russian narrative too, find the murderer. and while i was in the process to find that murderer, behind the scenes what i did not know is that this reporter and rich guy had another plan in mind and that's why they brought me into this thing and i realized that now -- unfofrp if thely i realized that too late. >> one of the things he points to is an appearance by you on fox news on may 16th. let's play that.
>> there was a federal investigator that was involved on the inside of the case, a person that's very credible. he said he laid eyes on the computer and he laid eyes on the case file and he came across very credible. when you lack at that with the totalality of everything else i've found in this case, it's very consistent for a person with my experience to begin to think perhaps there were email communications between seth and wi wikileaks. >> how do you reconcile that with the rob wheeler before us tonight saying i never wanted anything to do with this conspiracy? >> as during the investigation, when i'm going through information and interviewing people, i get the information. this is important. i get the information about this federal investigator from who? melilla zimmerman and ed
boutoski. and i asked is this guy credible. the response was yes. and real quickly here. after the story broke i immediately -- i didn't waste any time, challenged me lirks oorks a about the quote said and i asked her let me talk to the federal investigator to talk to him and get his information to the d.c. police and i was told i could not talk to this guy. >> i know the lawyer gets ignored in these interviews. not tonight. proof he was misquoted. you could look at that as a demonstration of a monexistent fact. but is there anything you can show that can demonstrate your client was misquoted? >> sure. aside from the fact that we have a 33-page complaint that is full of quotes from audio, from text messages, from emails, these aren't just allegations saying
what happened. we thoroughly listened to these audios, read the emails, read the texts and we only included information in that complaint that we had verified in fact had taken place. and contrary to what mr mr. boutouski told you. i believe he told you he has lots of text messages and documents and he was going to come down and give them to you. >> yes. >> and he's done that. i doubt it because those other text messages, those other emails don't exist. >> i have not seen or heard from the man since we interviewed him but the invitation stands to take any information he has and that's a good segway here. not to add anymore pressure but the president just lead to article. he wants it out immediately it's now all up to you but don't feel the pressure. he says this was a joke.
here's his answer. >> rod wheeler has been asking me for a long time. i said when i get this case settled, the president is going to hire me and he was always saying this to me. so this was tongue and cheek just talking, and by the way, this lawsuit is all about rod wheeler trying to get money because he messed up. >> two buddies joking and you're broke. rod wheeler, your response? >> here's what i say to that. i want to be clear about this. and i hope mr. butowsky is listening. just because i don't get my shirts custom-made, that doesn't make me less of a person. he can take all his money bags and stuff it. he knew he was lying. he's been lying the entire time.
and up wione last thing, quicklm sure my attorney is saying, rod, that's enough. here's the thing. if, in fact, i'm so broke, why haven't i invoiced him one time for any money. never invoiced him at all, chris, for any of the work i've done. >> why? >> i wasn't pressed to invoice him. i didn't know where this case would go. halfway through this case, when he started taking me to the white house and things, i started thinking, this guy has an ulterior motive. this guy wasn't solving a murder. that's when they reeled me in. and he admitted it. the guy admitted it. he said, rod, one day you're going to get an award for the things you did not say. i said, ed, keep the award. tell the truth. >> he says there's more to that tape, where he was doubting the notion that you had said things
that weren't true and that he was playing with your suggestion because it was silly. he was playing with the silly suggestion was you both knew what you said. >> where is that tape? where is that butowsky claims will right what he claims is people saying, that he has lied and that his political motivations -- >> you could have it, counselor. are there earlier portions of that recording that give a different context of that conversation? >> absolutely not. and we wouldn't have -- you know, this is a case unlike your commentator previously, where we actually had to be selective. there was so much material, so many facts that we had to choose from. at some point, we don't put everything into a complaint. if it comes to a point after discovery and we need to amend the complaint, then that's what
we'll do. >> 33 pages, you don't leave a lot out, either, counselor. that's a healthy complaint. >> there's plenty more information. and i assure you that. and it will come out. and rod can attest to that. >> rod, you said something earlier. you talked about your shirts. objectively stated. >> i got it at macy's. >> ed butowsky said that is what the meeting with sean spicer was about. here's what he said. >> my conversation with sean about these recordings, lasted about one minute. he said, ed, i don't know anything about it. i don't want to know anything about it. i can't do anything. and we ended up talking about many other things, believe it or not, including, we both get our shirts at the same place. and we talked about the cotton material on these shirts. that's the truth. >> is it? >> i have something to say about that, chris.
if that were true, why do we have a text message the day before, april 19th, ed is texting rod, to say, make sure your investigative report is up to date and finalized and pdfs to with presented with our meeting. >> that's what we did. we had this meeting. we met about 10 to 15 minutes. i'll tell you quickly how the meeting ended. sean spicer said, i'm not sure how i can help with the investigation. he said, if you want to talk more about this or i can put you in touch with somebody at the justice department. he gave me his business card. and he gave me his personal cell phone number. i whited out the last four di digits. he said, if you need help, give me a call. i never called sean spicer after that. that's the truth. that's what happened. >> you went into that meeting to discuss this case. do you think sean spicer knew
that's what the meeting was about? >> i don't know. if you listen to what ed butowsky says, then sean spicer knew about it. >> ed said he didn't know. he took the meeting as a friendly gesture. >> there was nothing else going on that day in the white house. >> look, there's room for speculation. this is not the first time we heard about a white house official taking a meeting they said they didn't know anything about but went to anyway. but this is not a court of public opinion. in the court of law, you have to show it. if you're going to include the white house in a concocted story scheme, you have to show they wanted something and wanted to advance it and that there's merit that the president wanted it advanced. do you have any of that? >> we just filed the lawsuit, on the 1st. and the defendants are entitled
to answer. and then, we'll proceed to discofferry. and then, we will obtain that information that we believe is out there. and will prove rod's story. >> rod, do you believe the president of the united states is aware of that? >> i have no idea. all i can tell you is what butowsky told me. and that's the white house is all over this. the president wants this out. in regards to the quotes, he said the quotes were left in there. this is what he said. we got this on tape. i'm not just saying this. he said the quotes were left in there, in the story, because that's the way the president wanted it. i never heard the president say that. that's butowsy talkingtalking. take it for what it's worth. the main thing, is my goal is to clear my name. i don't have the millions that butowsky has. but i have a good name. i worked hard for it. i want to clear my name and want fox to do the right thing.
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>> joining us snow -- >> after two hours of hard, hard -- you said it's mario cantone. >> i want to build you up. marketer, performer, miami. >> i am not a miami. >> you were a mime. >> i push mimes over on the grass. i'm not a mime. first of all, thanks for saving two minutes for me. i'm inbedded watching turner classic movies. >> we have breaking news. >> what's breaking? >> you don't want to know. >> doesn't your head want to blow off at this point. >> i paid too much for this hair. you have done so much, why did you want to do this? >> why did i want to do anthony scaramucci? >> yes. >> it was a calling. it was a calling from above. i heard the lord say, you must do this. this is your calling. go. go, now. go to the studios of the comedy
central. >> it's not just that you resemble each other. you do. you're both very handsome, your background goes to the projected image of who scaramucci is pretended to be. he's not a thug. you know that world so well from your own life. >> and i'm so attracted to it and him and the bravado of the itali italian-american. and what that is. and yet, you know, the fact that they repeat themselves, incessantly, makes my neck want to explode. >> have you heard, the fish rots from the head-down. do we have the clip of the good-bye of scaramucci? do we have that? you go look for it. you're going to do it again. you're