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testimony from the people in the meeting. the probe now crossing the president's so-called red line looking at his finances to see if they have financial ties to russia. the president scoffed at the probe, called it a witch hunt. he said democrats made the whole thing up. >> the russia story is a total fabrication. it's just an excuse for the greatest loss in the history of american politics. that's all it is. >> justice correspondent evan perez has been working his sources. he joins us with more, then we'll get to joe johns at the white house. evan, first walk me through the additional subpoenas that you guys broke the news, are being issued and the tie they have to the don jr. meeting. >> what special counsel robert
mueller issued the subpoenas to people who could have information about the meeting between the russian lawyer and top officials. the subpoena is seeking documents and more importantly, testimony from the people involved according to a source familiar with the matter. that was organized by donald trump jr., the president's son and jared kushner, the president's son-in-law and paul manafort, the former campaign chairperson. until now, we only knew of a grand jury issuing subpoenas, that was before mueller. he is working out of offices in washington. we got a statement from the president's attorney, jay sekulow, saying the outside counsel has not received a request for documentation about this. anything that goes beyond the mandate specified, we would
object to. poppy? >> that's one poart of it. there's the part that your team broke, the fact that these investigators are following the money trail, looking deep and hard into any potential financial ties that the president or anyone around him to russia. what more can you tell us? >> you can see this is bothering the president and people around him, frankly. investigators are following the money. they are exploring financial ties of president trump and his associates to russia. sources tell us financial links could offer a more concrete path to potential prosecution. investigators are looking into possible financial crimes including some connected to the election. fbi reviewed financial records related to the trump organization, the president himself, as well as members of his family and campaign associates. investigato investigators combed through the list of buyers of trump real
estate properties and scrutinized the list of tenants at trump tower in manhattan going back several years. russian business associates connected to trump, 2013 the miss universe pageant held in moscow. >> thank you very much, my friend. the president also and already intensifying his attack against the russia probe. if you were watching last night, his rally in west virginia, you saw it firsthand. he fired up the base and insisted the entire russia investigation is a fabrication. let's go to the white house where joe johns is this morning. the president took a good amount of time to focus on this last night. >> reporter: he certainly did. this is his second trip to west virginia in about ten days. this time, he wasn't talking to boy scouts, he was talking to the rank and file, the faithful supporters who gave him a 40
percentage point win in west virginia during the election. so, some of the things we heard from that speech, among others, he certainly called the russia story totally made up, a total fabrication. we did not hear some of the broadside attacks on the news media that we have heard in the past when he got on this topic. we'll have to see if that continues. what the president did do was focus on the russian narrative and pretty much make it clear to many supporters in his view, this investigation is something that is being done to them. listen. >> are there any russians here tonight? any russians? they can't beat us at the voting booths, so, they are trying to cheat you out of the future and the future that you want. most people know there were no russians in our campaign, there
never were. i just hope the final determination is a truly honest one, which is what the millions of people who gave us our big win in november deserve and what all americans who want a better future want and deserve. >> reporter: the president certainly seemed energized. he woke up this morning, tweeted about the big turnout there in huntington, west virginia. his lawyers, for their part, continued on their course. they put out a statement after the news broke that a grand jury had been empanelled saying the white house is committed to cooperating with the special counsel. the take away, of course, if nothing else, this president plans to continue to talk about this issue and we are going to hear more from him. back to you. >> i think that's a safe bet.
joe johns at the white house, thank you. let's discuss this. michael zelden, our legal analyst, cnn political commentators brian and jack. julie, a white house correspondent. counselor, let me begin with you. there are legal experts saying there is a lot of significance to the fact the mueller grand jury is issuing a subpoena, tied to the don jr. meeting, it broadens the scope and accelerates the feed. what do you say? >> it is a serious undertaking when someone has a grand jury and no one wants to be the subject or target of a grand jury investigation. whether it means anyone is more likely to be indicted than not remains to be seen. the purpose of a grand jury is to make the determination of indicting or not indicting. you bring witnesses in and they
testify by oath. this is the ordinary course of a prosecutor investigating things. what is significant, of course, is he determined this is the way to do this through a grand jury as opposed to witnesses. >> julie, even some of the president's biggest fans and vocal supporters are saying, essentially, this is a big deal. you have newt gingrich going on hannity and saying the mueller thing is the most deadly. he criticized the investigation, mueller calls it the deep state. the fact he has allies saying this could be problematic, significant? >> absolutely. i think it reflects the view of the president, the worry and anger of the president and people around him that this is going the way they feared it would go. mueller is an aggressive prosecutor. he has a very broad scope that
he is able to pursue. in the past, these kind of investigations have gone in many directions, not just the one they were initially intended to go down. the fact they have paneled this grand jury underscores for them. the real possibility, michael is right, this doesn't mean there will be indictments but could be and a process over which they have little to no control. >> the context of what he said is it would be deadly to his agenda to be able to accomplish things. this is not him saying there is meat here and the president is going to be -- an indictment is going to be handed down. one thing that stands out this morning is the way the white house counsel, one of the president's lawyers, ty cobb is responding, he says the white house is fully committed to cooperating with mueller. you heard the president taking on the russian investigation, the heart of it, a very different message from his attorney, ty cobb.
do you think the president's criticism of the investigation will cease or slow? >> i doubt it, poppy. i suspect they are playing a two-way game where the president is going to continue to go out on the stump and speak at these campaign-style rallies and try to characterize the ongoing investigation as a witch hunt. ty cobb is a very serious attorney with a very good reputation in washington continues to sound the right and proper notes saying yes, of course, the white house is committed to the investigation. that is the posture you would think they would take if they didn't have anything to hide. michael's points are well taken that empaneling the grand jury doesn't mean indictments are around the corner. it puts donald trump, himself, and key officials on a collision course with a process where it is going to attach consequences to myths, truths or lies they tell to the grand jury. there's no consequences to lie
to the public at a rally in west virginia. there's no consequences on television to lie about russian officials. you cannot lie without consequence when appearing before the grand jury. ty cobb and other lawyers around the white house will take it seriously. what you say on the campaign trail and the sunday shows doesn't work in a grand jury situation. >> congressman kingston is someone who was a surrogate for the trump campaign, a supporter of the president. what do you make of the fact we know from reporting this mueller probe and grand jury includes subpoenas directly related to the don jr. meeting, which included paul manafort, jared kushner and that russian lawyer? >> i think sometimes we worry this is going to get out of control, that here is an investigation with an unlimited budget with the ability to hire people right and left,
including, bipartisans. >> that's how these things work. remember the clinton administration? would you be saying that about that? >> ken star was in real estate deals and ended up with a 24-year-old woman and a blue dress. >> that is how this worked and republicans didn't have a problem with it then. >> actually, i think many of us did have a problem then and i thought there should have been far more substance than monica lewinsky. it seems special prosecutor has an unlimited budget and unlimited ability to hire staff and can go in any direction they want. they are looking at tenants. what does that have to do with it. >> the pursuit of justice should have no price tag. isn't that right? >> this is about a russian collusion investigation, it's not about tenants in trump tower. >> it's about obstruction of
justice and transparency. is there anything that would make the president beholden to a nation or adversary? >> this is about collusion with russia, not trump real estate deals across the nation over the last five or ten years. mueller hired somebody who gave $32,000 to hillary clinton. these are partisan operators. you can't tell me -- >> mueller is a republican, right? >> well, i don't know that he is a republican. i have never known him to be at any of our dinners or activist. here is an example of a run away investigation in the brewing. maybe it's not going to happen. i have a lot of concern. >> stay with me. the congressman calls this a run away investigation. on the other side of the break, we are going to have the
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so, as the white house -- as the probe, rather, the russia probe on the white house is heating up, the white house and the president seem to be changing their tone from dismissing the mueller investigation to last night attacking its integrity at the core. my panel is back. counselor, to you first, michael zelden. they said this is a russian investigation and off the rails.
is he right? >> no. i think he's not correct. a couple things are incorrect. first is, with respect to unlimited budget, that's simply not true. under the regulations, he has to submit a budget in 60 days, which has to be approved by attorney general. 90 days before the end of the fiscal year, another budget approved by the attorney general. they are clear per am tparamete. with the mandate, it is clear, links or coordination between trump and russian government operatives and matters that arose out of it and may arise out of it. leave it to muellers discretion to operate in the parameters of that mandate and he is doing so. financial ties to the trump campaign and trump operatives and russian government is exactly what any prosecutor
would do, special prosecutor or regular prosecutor, you look for things that are the same. it's a constrained investigation that's taking place pursuant to the way any prosecutor would operate in any district. >> real quick -- >> very quickly. >> when white water investigation started, i was a member of congress. we did not intend for it to end up with monica lewinsky. the budget does not come before congress. i was a member of the appropriations committee. rob rosenstein is not going to back off. i believe it is getting out of control. i think it's off the rails already. i think the probability -- >> congressman, if you could point to you and congress calling out ken star and saying don't go there, don't go there,
don't go there, please bring it on this show. >> i will be back with that. >> okay. all right. we'll see you on monday, brian, yes. >> hold that thought, i want to get brian in here. he's nodding his head. >> two points to add to what michael was saying. one of the things that has been well documented is there's periods in donald trump's business career where he was having trouble securing finances. u.s. banks would not lend him money. there's a theory that over time the trump organization turned to exotic methods of securing financing for properties in new york and elsewhere so it would be jermaine to investigate the possibility this were investments made with russian people. it would go a long way toward explaining the connections between russia and trump to
incentivize russia and donald trump. lastly, republicans on capitol hill do not agree with with jack kingston. yesterday, tom tillis, a mainstream -- >> we had him on the show. >> exactly. they don't think the investigation is running off the rails. >> the president -- >> i would caution unsubstantiated theories. the trump organization is a private organization. julie, to you, who has been so patient, let me get you in here. i thought it was telling when the president seemed to change his tone and his words to describe the investigation. no longer was he dismissing it, he was talking about the integrity and the honesty of it. listen to this. >> i just hope the final determination is a truly honest one, which is what the millions of people who gave us our big win in november deserve and what
all americans who want a better future want and deserve. >> julia, is something different now? >> it is. i thought it was a fascinating shift. in the past, we have heard the president talk about this as a witch hunt. he was talking himself, his associates, his family, his white house. last night, he tied it to all supporters making a case, it's not that they are coming after me, they are coming after you they want to undermine your legitimacy and my legitimacy. jared kushner made a statement where he came to the west wing and said these questions about russia really ridicule the whole electoral process and the people who voted for donald trump. that is a message we are going to continue to hear and hear more intensively from the president.
he knows as long as the focus is on him, it's not good for him. all these revelations that are going to come out and the people they are going to talk to is going to reflect on him and the more he can shine that spotlight to the rest of his political movement and say this is not about me and my legitimacy, this is about you and maintain support that way, i think they believe the better off they are. the problem, of course, substantively, it doesn't protect him from anything. as much as he may try to lay out red lines and doesn't want mueller to go, it's clear the investigation is going, it is expanding and he is moving quickly and aggressively. so, he can have the best political message he wants. i'm not sure it's going to make a difference for donald trump. >> thank you all very much, julie, brian, michael and congressman kingston, we appreciate it. this morning, strong economic news that certainly is a boost for the president and being welcomed by him and many american workers.
the u.s. economy has added over 1 million jobs under president trump and his first months in office. unemployment is down to a 16-year low of 4.3%. we saw 209,000 jobs added last month. the president calls it excellent. indeed, it is good. in the past, he calls them phony. let's see how markets are responding. dow just over 22,000, a record set earlier this week. still ahead, two republican senators sit down with dana bash to talk about their critical no vote on obamacare repeal and replace. >> that weight, that responsibility, knowing that your vote really is that pivotal, it does help to know that there is another kindrid soul nearby. your insurance company
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i did a double take because they don't talk a lot. >> especially together. i wanted to sit down with susan collins and lisa murkowski. they were the only senators to vote against the plan all the way through the process. they were close before this. this high profile and high intensity experience took their bond to a new level. >> i was watching you with your desks next to each other and you could sort of sense a bit of relief that each of you had that you had one another. did i read that right? >> i will say i was very happy lisa was literally sitting next to me as we were voting from our seats, which, as you know, is unusual and issues for only very important votes. >> to have that weight, that responsibility knowing that your vote really is that pivotal, it
does help to know that there is another kindred soul close by. >> you are both heroes to a lot of people and heretics to a lot of people. how do you see yourselves? >> well, i see myself as someone who has an obligation to represent the people of maine. sometimes that means casting uncomfortable votes, votes that will make my party uncomfortable and even angry at me. >> you want to vote to do the right thing. so, worrying about the consequences, are you fearful of repercussion from -- from your party? a tweet from the president? a backlash from your leadership? i don't believe that we should
be motivated or discouraged from taking the positions that are important to the people that we represent and our respective states. >> can you give me a sense of the pressure you had? >> phone calls, metings. i had a private meeting with the vice president at one point. >> is it hard at that point? you ran on repealing obamacare. this is the time, the bell is ringing, go. >> i had an opportunity when we were at the white house, the second time we were over there and it was -- it was a very directed appeal that we need to come together as republicans. i made a statement to the president, with my colleagues and with his team there, that i'm not voting for the republican party, i'm voting for
the people of alaska. >> i remember being so proud of you for saying, directly to the president what your obligations were. that's the way i feel, too. the people of maine don't expect me to be a rubber stamp. >> you are both opposed to cuts to planned parenthood because of what it means in your states. if you were male senators, do you think it would be such a priority for you to make sure planned parenthood is not cut? >> that's a really good question. the issue of family planning services, cancer screening, well women care probably does resinate with us more than with our male colleagues and to me, it was so unfair to single out one medicaid provider and say to
women in particular, you can't choose which health care provider you want to go to. >> i want to borrow, a, a phrase from the first female secretary of state that talked about cojones and they say you two have more cojones than the guys around here. do you buy that? >> you know, every senator has to make his or her own decision. i wouldn't judge my colleagues. >> i absolutely agree. >> you have some stiff spines. >> that i'd go with. >> did senator mccain come to you before he cast the last vote against the health care bill? >> well, i still remember when both lisa and i were talking with john mccain on the senate floor and he pointed to both of us and he said, you two are right on this issue. >> and to have a conversation that we had after the vote, we
had one of those conversations that you'll think of years down the road where he said people might not appreciate what has happened right now as being a positive, maybe our colleagues are not going to be viewing this as a positive right now, but the time will prove that having a pause, having a time-out for us to do better is going to be good for the country. and it was good, good, strong john mccain message. >> i have seen congress and congress people when they have some political fear of their president. he tried to intimidate you on twitter, you know, very directly, specifically, maybe having his interior secretary call you. >> you can't live in fear that the direction you are going to take, that you believe is truly
in your state's best interest. >> did you feel he was trying to intimidate you? >> i will say that the president and i had a very direct talk. >> do you think there's been a shift among your republican colleagues as it relates to the president? >> many of us are very interested in the president's agenda. >> finding those areas where we are working together, partnering, this is what we should be doing. if there's rhetoric that is out there that is not constructive to governing, it is important to speak up and i think you are starting to see a little bit of that. >> fascinating. you can read so much in their faces, dana, right? diplomatic answers on some of those things. you can see a lot in their faces. you asked them about the mueller special counsel investigation into how the president is reacting. what did they say? >> talk about being able to read into their faces, i did ask them about cnn's reporting, which had
just broken yesterday when i sat down with them. evan perez, about bob mueller expanding the investigation to include the president's potential financial ties to russia. listen to how that went down. cnn is reporting the special counsel, robert mueller, is expanding his investigation to include the president's financial dealings that may not have anything to do with the campaign in 2016. is that appropriate? >> i believe that the special counsel has a very broad mandate and he should follow the leads wherever they may be. i do not think his investigation should be constrained beyond the mandate that he was given when he was -- >> the president called that a red line. >> the president can't set red lines for bob mueller. >> well said. >> so, as you saw there, you
know, these senators and they are not the only ones on this issue, you saw it before the senate left for recess, poppy, members on both sides of the aisle to protect the special counsel and the investigation and allowing it to lead wherever it leads. >> yeah. to make sure sessions can't be replaced in a recess. dana, do you think overall, i mean i know how getting these interviews goes, if they don't want to talk, they are not going to talk. do you think part of the reason they sat down and did this very rare interview, are they trying to embolden fellow republicans like come on, stand-up. >> maybe. maybe. but i actually think with these two senators, they understand that they, in some ways, have, you know, unique positions in that they have similar issues in their states, maine and alaska, very good states.
alaska is much bigger, small populations, rural people. so, they felt that they had, you know, many legs to stand on when it came to pushing back. but, i also think that, to your point, poppy, these senators are trying to make the case that what they did was the right thing, not because they don't want to repeal obamacare and make health care better, but because they do and the process didn't allow for that. that's the message they want to send, in addition to good old fashioned girl power. >> there you go. there you go. cojones, as you said. thank you, dana, great interview, we appreciate it. this could get awkward. rex tillerson ready for a face-to-face meeting with his russian counter part as the kremlin slams the mueller probe and tells the u.s. to stop demonizing russia. we go to moscow for a live report next.
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state, rex tillerson, who is the only one not using bombastic language over the last few days. it's his job or mission to improve relations as you pointed out. u.s. and russia relations are at the worst level in years, if not decades. tillerson is meeting with the russian foreign minister in the philippines. they will talk about north korea and the danger there and the wider area. that is the only point the u.s. and russia agree upon right now. they will talk about sanctions and relations in general. that's where tillerson will try to improve relations but it's difficult to see from the u.s. perspective what impact he could have as you point out with the rhetoric going back and forth here. president trump was furious about the russia investigation and not happy to sign the sanctions bill. the russians agree with him there, they are angry about the sanctions bill. even if most of the anger is
directed toward congress and washington politicians who they call anti-russian hysteria, trump is viewed as weak and not willing to stand-up to congress. that is a big change from how they viewed him until now. the last six or seven months, they thought trump was the guy who could improve u.s./russian relations. poppy. >> thank you for that reporting. i want to update you on the situation in venezuela after the violent election. one of the main opposition leaders has been released from jail. we are talking antonio, a fellow opposition leader, lopez, was taken into custody after the assembly, which can rewrite the constitution. earlier this week, we saw both were pulled from their homes.
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new questions in a murder case that captivated the attention of the nation and resembled the film fatal attraction. the convicted killer still in jail, insisting she is innocent. we sat down with carolyn warmus serving 25 to life for the murder of her lovers wife. how you landed this interview, i'll never know, but i am captivated. >> it was riveting. there were times i could see the conviction, other times i was thinking, wow, she is innocent.
you remember the movie "fatal attraction" this was the real-life version of that movie and it was a national media frenzy. she was a young, beautiful, blond schoolteacher having an affair with her mentor, older married man, his wife ends up dead, shot nine times and pistol whipped. she goes on trial. before the second trial, her lover finds a bloody glove in his closet. sounds familiar, right, poppy? it was a bloody glove that helped o.j. simpson. this convicted carolyn warmus. she says she can prove her innocence. february 2nd, 1990, more than a year after the brutal killing of betty jean solomon, carolyn
warmus was charged with her murder. >> i didn't find out until the newspaper calls me. >> that's how you found out you were a suspect? >> right. i didn't know what i could have done, what i possibly could have done. they said for the murder of betty jean solomon. >> it's been on the front of tabloid magazines for month. the fatal attraction chil of carolyn warmus opened up. >> their state of mind about carolyn is that she was guilty. a judgment against a woman having an affair with a married man. >> a tabloid sensation chased by dozens of reporters, described as a murderous home wrecker. >> into the life of her lover. >> she tried to camouflage herself with sunglasses,
scarves, even blankets. >> why did you want to protect your identity? >> i'm a schoolteacher and i want to go back and be a schoolteacher. if i keep letting them take photos of me, i mean, i'm never going to be able to teach again. it's going to be tough enough as it is with this case. >> so, here is the deal with the glove, poppy. the globlood on the glove -- th blood was never tested. whose blood is on the glove? dna testing is so much better now. she insists if the blood is tested now, it is going to prove she is innocent. >> is there a reason the authorities would not test the glove? >> it's a good question. i mean, we couldn't get a statement from everybody involved with testing that glove, but she's appealing and she's hoping a judge is going to
hear it. she's got a chorus of defenders. there are a lot of great legal minds in this country believing she is innocent and helping her try to prove it. there are a lot of shady characters involved, including a crime lab. it's been a fascinating case to follow. >> great job getting that interview. thank you for the preview, we appreciate it. check out the cnn special report "fatal attraction or fatal mistake" it starts tonight on cnn. major developments in the russia probe. the president and the white house, we are tracking it all ahead. stay with us. oscar mayer is making big changes to hot dogs.
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hello on this friday. thanks for being with me, i'm in for kate bolduan. moments ago, the president speaking at a fema briefimeetin hurricane briefing. let's listen in. >> thank you very much. i want to congratulate. this is a good thing they do. terrific person has done an amazing job for the administration and everywhere she proceeded so congratulations. it's a very important thing you are doing. we are very strong on homeland security and we are very strong with respect to fema. fema is something i have been very much involved in already. we have had some things in the last six months where i have to say the governor has been fantastic rebuilding that stretch of highway that ended up burning so badly. reasons why and it