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job. >> i took an oath to serve and protect my community and now my kidney will serve and protect you. top of the hour. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. -- captions by vitac -- >> cnn has learned that special counsel bob mueller is expanding the investigation beyond possible collusion with russians during the election to the finances of both the president and his associates. plus, mueller has issued grand jury subpoenas regarding that june 2016 meeting the president's son don junior held with the russian lawyer and others, according to a source. as this russia probe is widening, president trump is using it to try to deepen his
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support. >> have you seen any russians in west virginia or ohio or pennsylvania? are there any russians here tonight? any russians? they can't beat us at the voting booths, so they're trying to cheat you out of the future and the future that you want. they're trying to cheat you out of the leadership you want with a fake story that is demeaning to all of us and most importantly, demeaning to our country and demeaning to our constitution. >> let's begin the hour with cnn crime and justice reporter. you had some incredible, incredible reporting with pam brown and evan perez, specifically on what these investigators are looking at in terms of finances, right, long before this presidential campaign. tell me about that. >> reporter: yeah, this is sort
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of now has gone way past to history in terms of way as far back as 2013, maybe even further back than that. and it's really starting around the time that the president visited russia for the miss universe pageant, and the fbi investigators and now bob mueller's team, the special counsel, has really been digging in to some of the meetings that were going on there, looking at some of the connections for perhaps whether they were cultivating relationships with people around trump during their visit, during their time in moscow. they've also been looking at the various real estate possessions and properties with trump names to see who has been occupying some of those spaces. you have trump tower in manhattan where there's a lot of office space and there's obviously a large residential building and they have found some connections to russians that they're now looking at and sort of investigating, you know, those connections have certainly
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raised some eyebrows. and other connections, you know, other business properties across, really, the world that may have some connection to trump, that is all now in focus. >> okay. so much more to your reporting. everyone watching, go to to read the whole thing. shimone, thank you so much. here is a response from the president's attorney regarding mueller's grand jury. let me read this for you here. they're saying, "the white house favors anything that accelerates the conclusion of this work fairly. the white house is committed to fully cooperating with mr. mueller." it goes on. "former fbi director jim comey said three times the president is not under investigation and we have no reason to believe that has changed." let's talk this out with vermont law school professor jennifer taub, an expert on white-collar crime, cnn political commentator scott jennings, former assistant to george w. bush and republican strategist rick wilson. so welcome to all of you. and rick, i was reading what you
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wrote, and many lines i could pull from you. you said that thursday, this grand jury news was the single worst day in the single worst week of the trump presidency. tell me why you say that. >> aside from donald trump's pep rally last night in west virginia, every piece of news this week was chaotic and added to the burdens he faces. and the fact that bob mueller is now -- has established a grand jury in d.c. and isn't just relying on the grand jury in the eastern district of virginia, this means that things are getting serious now. the rubber has hit the road. folks are going to be brought before a grand jury. that is a completely different avenue than this sort of tangential research that's been going on about these connections so far and we're now at the point where these folks are going to have to lawyer up, be in there in the grand jury, facing up to questions, including probably the president himself and the fact that he wants to pretend this isn't happening is no longer relevant. the house is on fire and this entire week has been one long
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downhill train wreck. another line from you, alec ixa order more schadenfreude. >> once the special counsel got rolling, i think getting to a grand jury was something that everyone should have anticipated. and i think the statement from the president's lawyer is the correct pr statement. we're cooperating, we want to see this come to an end, and we want to see ourselves exonerated. that's the correct public posture, it took them a while to get there but that's the correct posture. if you want to fight back against the chaos narrative, the one good thing that's going on in the white house is general kelly taking over. >> running a tight ship. >> i think that's going to pay off for the president. >> legally speaking, jennifer, you know, we think back to the clinton administration, we think back to white water and that was a whole investigation, right, that let's all remember that it actually began with the investigation of this land deal
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and landed them on this white house intern named monica lewinsky and a dress. so given that, is it unusual for this kind of information -- investigation to cover this much ground? >> great question, brooke. not only is it quite usual, this goes with the broad mandate that rod rosenstein gave to special counsel robert mueller. he was given the authority to investigate any collusion between the russian government and the trump campaign, but also, what's important to remember, is under law, he's also authorized to investigate and prosecute federal crimes that arise during the course of this investigation with the intent to interfere with the work that he's doing. so, that would include crimes like perjury, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, witness tampering, false statements, and the like.
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>> so, speaking of white water, special counsel ken starr said this today about the mueller investigation. >> you're moving beyond collusion with russian operatives or russian interests or the russian government itself and into that which doesn't seem to have a direct tie to russia, then these questions are, in fact, raised, and it becomes a litigable, as we say, question, that people are going squawk about it and disagree about i. i don't think that it is clear one way or the other, but i do think it is a -- certainly a serious matter when a special counsel is accused, and i was accused of that, of exceeding his or her authority. that's a serious matter. because we do not want investigators and prosecutors out on a fishing expedition. >> i mean, rick, and he admits it there, but you know, you talk to a lot of people, he is mr. fishing expedition. can you appreciate the irony there. >> the irony is pretty rich in that one, but i will say this.
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bob mueller is a man of enormous probity and reputation. he is not a person who's going to chase down rabbits that don't have a direct bearing, i think, on this case. he is a serious individual. he is a person who understands the role of the special counsel and understands the law intimately. and so i think that you're going to have the objections from the trump world that people are looking into their financial arrangements, which they have a long history of financial dealings with the russians. they've admitted it themselves. and they're trying desperately to not have any of that brought into the record or the examination of this. and i think, you know, as scott said, they said the right words today. but the reaction donald trump always displays when we're getting towards his taxes or his financial dealings, always becomes hyperbolic, and i think you're going end up seeing him overreact, even when mueller is riding down pretty much the center lane of his ambit here. >> how do you see it, scott? >> well, first of all, mueller is a man of high integrity. i don't know anybody who thinks he's anything other than that.
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but you can see how this would be enormously frustrating to the president and the people around his campaign. this whole thing started with the concept that they colluded with the russians to somehow steal an election from hillary clinton. and we're now way -- well away from that. there's no evidence yet of any collusion. they're looking into it. but if you're looking into things that go on in business dealings and other financial transactions that happened well before presidential campaign, it's easy to see why the president would be extremely frustrated about that stuff coming up when this whole thing started in something completely different. so that's the genesis of the frustration. >> scott, i appreciate that, scott, but the fact of the matter is, it doesn't speak to his priors. donald trump had a long set of business relationships all the way back to atlantic city and including folks like felix, these long complicated financial dealings with russians and russian oligarchs and russian mobsters that have been intimately enshrined with the trump organization for many years and i think that speaks to the fact that people don't
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realize that the russian government, the russian intelligence services, and the russian organized crime, those are cringes are very, very interrelated and very connected and so i think it's important that mueller be able to go through these things, because it establishes a lot of the priors of trump's behavior towards russia, russians, and putin. >> and jennifer was the one who said it. i have the statute in front of me. they can look into any matters that a arose or may arise directly from the investigation. jennifer, while aisle talking about -- i'm talking about you, the grand jury issuing subpoenas of witnesses, how do you read that, how does that change the investigation and what does it say about the stage they're in right now. >> well, i guess, brooke, two things. one thing i just want to correct something that was said earlier. this investigation did begin last july, which was well before the presidential election. so, it was not an investigation launched to somehow suggest that there was a direct impact on voting. i mean, this is sort of a
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ridiculous claim folks make. it would be like after watergate -- okay. going back to your specific question about how things change, look, everyone would expect that eventually special counsel mueller would turn to a grand jury. but this is a really big deal for the general public, because we've been fed a steady diet from the white house that this whole russia investigation is a witch hunt, or fake news, and so now this fact that mueller is turning to a grand jury with all of its tremendous power and responsibility is a huge comfort to the public. >> okay. we're going leave it. jennifer, thank you. scott, rick, thank you all. next, making his presence felt, president trump's new chief of staff, we just alluded to this a second ago, general john kelly proving to be a gatekeeper of sorts here. new details emerging today about
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the kind of shop he's running in the west wing, his style during meetings, the limited access he's providing to the president, and even for those closest to the president, including his own children. and moments from now, the president will get to take vacation, starting this afternoon, 17-day working vacation. we know that ivanka trump, there she is, with child in tow, boarding just a moment ago. we will bring you the president live there and talk about what he will be doing in bedminster in new jersey. we'll be right back.
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president trump's new chief of staff, john kelly, already making his presence felt here, week one in the west wing. sworn in with a mandate to instill order in president trump's pack of unruly aides. when you pick up "the new york times" today, there's this whole report on general kelly and all these details, including how he demands that even the president's own daughter, ivanka, and his son-in-law, jared kushner, run any face-to-face meetings by him, general kelly first. quoting the times kwoez, mr. kelly cuts off rambling advisers mid-sentence.
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he listens in on conversations between cabinet secretaries and the president. he has booted lingering staff members out of high level meetings and ordered the doors of the oval office closed to discourage strays. tim is joining me, cnn presidential historian and general mark hurtling, who served more than 15 months in iraq with general kelly, did multiple operations together, and so general, just beginning with you, just more great detail out of this piece too, how the times is saying general kelly had told his new employees that he was hired to moong manaanage staff, not the president. you know the man. does that sound like general kelly to you? >> well, first, brooke, what i'd say -- i'm smiling because it sounds like what every chief of staff does in any military organization, what they should do, in fact, what they're trained to do. but yeah, john kelly is that kind of guy. he is very pragmatic. he's very disciplined. he brings rigor to a staff process. i've seen him to do that.
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he listens very intently to his subordinates, in this case, it's the president's staff, and then he issues orders. i watched him do this with his marines. we worked together on many things and shared intelligence. he's very precise in what he wants at all good commanders are because he knows it's not time to fool around and he suffers no fools because you've got a job to do. >> what about the fact -- general, what about the fact, though, i said -- he's managing the staff, but he is letting the president be the president. he's not curtailing his tv watching, he's not keeping him off twitter. what do you make of that. >> well, a chief of staff can only do so much. and i think john has probably focused primarily on the processes and the discipline within the staff itself and if he feels and he's considered part of the axis of adults that are in the white house, if he feels he can improve upon those things, there will be more consistency in terms of orders. john knows the congress. he is related to them in a former marine job as congressional liaison.
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he knows how to work with bosses. he's worked with defense secretaries and diplomats so he knows these kind of things but he can only do so much. he can only provide that discipline and rigor to the staff process and getting the information to his boss. what his boss does with it, he can't control. >> right. tim, i was quoting james baker earlier this week and he was saying, and i'm paraphrasing, the best chief of staffs are those who focuses on the of staff part of the title and not the chiefs piece. you tell me, you look at presidential history. what is truly the role of the chief of staff and especially what makes one successful? >> well, making the trains run on time is very important. but i think it's also important to keep in mind that there's some management of the chief executive involved. but nobody -- no unelected person can go before the cameras and say, my job is to manage the most powerful person in the world who's been elected by the american people. so, i think if you look at chiefs of staff, they've taken very adroit ways, they've used
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adroit ways to try to manage their boss. kenny o'donnell didn't really have a full chief of staff position but he was a gatekeeper. he worked closely with bobby kennedy to limit some of president kennedy's liaisons with women because they were causing a problem for the white house. h.r. haldeman knew that nixon loved -- haldeman knew he couldn't control every meeting that nixon had with coalsoleson he had staffers call him when coulson would walk across the street so he would know in advance. >> how about that. and apparently general kelly is making sure he is keeping those oval office doors closed. fewer people can have oval office privileges, even making ivanka trump come to him, general kelly, before seeing her dad. last question, much lighter note. general hurtling, i understand leon pinetta said that he urged
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general kelly to, quote, buy a big bottle of scotch when he agreed to take the job. do we think he's bought it? >> no, i think knowing john, he's probably bought a bottle of irish whiskey because he's not a scotch drinker but yeah, you always need those when you're in the toughest of jobs and your bottom right-hand drawer to be sure. >> just in case. general, thank you so much. tim, thank you. coming up next here, this amazing interview, cnn's dana bash sat down not just with one but both of these female republican senators who have been standing up to president trump. hear what happened behind the scenes as the health care fight went down, what senator john mccain said to them after the vote. remember, his thumbs down and what they think of bob mueller's investigation. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
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defying the president's red line, cnn has learned special counsel bob mueller is now looking into the president's finances as he investigates possible collusion with russians during this election, and two republican senators, i hear, first susan collins, she is championing the investigation's expansion in this exclusive interview with dana bash. she says mueller should explore whatever avenues necessary. >> i believe that the special counsel has a very broad mandate, and he should follow the leads wherever they may be. and thus, i do not think his investigation should be constrained beyond the mandate that he was given when he was subpoenaed. >> and the president called that a red line.
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>> the president can't set red lines for bob mueller. >> dana bash with me now. dana bash, i love that you got these two ladies together, first of all. i have love for you for doing that. you know, lisa murkowski also part of the sit-down and so these were two of the three no votes on that latest and last iteration of health care. what did they share with you about that day? you were on the floor. i mean, the behind the scenes. >> so much. and yes, they were two of the three who eventually sunk the republicans' bill to replace obamacare, but these are the only two who were against the whole process from the beginning. and so i really did want to get them together, because the two of them have been friends for a long time. they just happened to sit next to each other. every senator has assigned seats on the floor, and their desks are right next to each other, and so i was watching them, at least during the first vote, and i wanted to get from them what was really going on inside each
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of them and among them and their colleagues during this really intense process. here's part of our conversation. >> i was watching you with your desks next to each other, and you could sort of sense a bit of relief that each of you had that you had one another. did i read that right? >> i will say that i was very happy that lisa was literally sitting next to me as we were voting from our seats, which as you know, is unusual. and is used for only very important votes. >> to have that -- that weight, that responsibility, knowing that your vote really is that pivotal, it does help to know that there is another kindred soul close by. >> can you give me a sense of the kind of pressure that you had and how you handled it, how did that bear itself out. >> phone calls, meetings. i had a private meeting with the vice president at one point. >> is it hard at that point?
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you ran on repealing obamacare. this is the time. the bell's ringing. go. >> i had an opportunity when we were at the white house, second time that we were over there, and it was -- it was a very directed appeal that we need to come together as republicans. i made a statement to the president with my colleagues and with his team there that i'm not voting for the republican party. i'm voting for the people of alaska. >> i remember being so proud of you for saying directly to the president what your applications were, and that's the way i feel too. the people of maine don't expect me to be a rubber stamp. >> did senator mccain come to you before he cast the last vote
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against the health care bill? did you know? >> well, i so remember when both lisa and i were talking with john mccain on the senate floor and he pointed to both of us, and he said, you two are right on this issue. >> and to have the conversation that we had after the vote, we had one of those conversations that you'll think of years down the road where he said, people might not appreciate what has happened right now as being a positive. maybe our colleagues are not going to be viewing this as a positive right now. but the time will prove that having a pause, having a time-out for us to do better is going to be good for the country. >> and brooke, another reason i wanted to talk to the two of
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them is just good old fag-fashi girl power because they understand that they're two of five republican women in the senate, and one issue that they really were passionate about, and are passionate about, was about the fact that in the republican bill, it would have prevented people who are medicaid recipients from going to planned parenthood. and for lisa murkowski from alaska, who says that so many women, the vast majority of women get their care, the regular care, from planned parenthood and same goes for maine, that was one of many nonstarters. but an important one. and i actually asked senator collins, i said, i know this is hard to even imagine, but if you were a man, do you think that would have been as important of an issue? and she basically said, you know, like i get it because i am a woman and it really does show you how the different perspectives now that there are 21 women in the senate, really do change policy, regardless of policy. >> to quote your series
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series, #badasswomenofwashington . let's check out live pictures here. air force one. we saw ivanka and her child board the plane. we're watching and waiting as the president is about to be, in a little bit of time, i don't think he's quite left the white house yet, up, up and away to his golf course in bedminster, new jersey, for 17 days of vacation. but hang on a second. isn't this the same president that slammed obama for taking breaks? we'll look at what's on his agenda coming up. you do all this research
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any moment now, president trump will leave the white house for his first real vacation since taking office. everyone deserves a break, of course, including the commander in chief. but the fact is, president trump has in the past been a massive vacation shamer. back in 2012, he tweeted a quote from his own book.
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"don't take vacations. what's the point. if you're not enjoying your work, you're in the wrong job." president trump sent that while president obama was on a four-day trip to asia and on the campaign trail, president trump consistently slammed president obama for playing so much golf. >> it was reported today obama played 250 rounds of golf. everything's executive order because he doesn't have enough time because he's playing so much golf. obama ought to get off the golf course and get down there. i'm going to be working for you. i'm not going to have time to go play golf. he played more golf last year than tiger woods. this guy plays more golf than people on the pga tour. if i were in the white house, i don't think i'd ever seen turn berry again. i'm not going to be playing much golf, believe me. if i win this, i'm not going to be playing much golf. >> president trump will be spending 17 days at his golf club in bedminster, new jersey. traditionally, the president
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gives a solo press conference before summer vacation, tie up policy loose ends and whatnot, answer questions before going off the grid. but as far as we know, president trump doesn't have any scheduled plans to face the press. let's go to ryan nobles. ryan, the white house says this is a working vacation. what's on the itinerary? >> reporter: well, nothing publicly, brooke. as you said, they do expect this to be a working vacation, which means the president's going to stay in touch with members of congress and his cabinet and he does have a couple of high-level officials traveling with him. his chief of staff, john kelly, will be on this trip as will his top advisers, ivanka trump, his daughter, and his son-in-law, jared kushner, but we don't expect any visits from any foreign leaders. that sometimes happens during presidential summer vacations to their homes. there's nothing like that on the i tin ar itinerary right now so we're not exactly sure what he's going to be working on, but his staff and aides promise us that he will indeed be busy on the people's business. >> he hits the 200-day mark on
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monday. and in those 200 days, ryan, he has held one press conference, and today, i mean, i'm assuming he's not going to. we haven't heard any word, correct? >> reporter: no, we've heard definitively that he's not going to hold a press conference today so that's not happening. >> okay. and then as he's leaving, there is quite a bit still on the table as far as, you know, the succession of tweets the other day on the transgender ban in the military and then the employment status, right, the time line on these immigration policies. what else? >> reporter: brooke, if we think that the front end of this administration has been busy, just wait until we get to september. there are so many issues that are outstanding. you mentioned a couple of big ones, but keep this in mind, they're talking about tackling tax reform when they come back. that could be a monster issue. they still haven't dealt with the repeal and replacement of obamacare. they haven't been able to pull that off. but we also have some time sensitive issues. the debt ceiling will be need to be raised by sometime in
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mid-september. they're only going to have 12 working days in the congress when both sides will be there to tackle that. we also need to talk about the end of the fiscal year. that's coming up, a continuing resolution on funding the government is still in the offing. and that also doesn't even address some of the other issues like immigration reform and some of these other big ticket items that the president promised that he was going to get -- would take on when he egot ingot into so september could be a very busy month and a month where they are going to need to deal with these very specific issues, not just talk about them. >> quickly on a much more superficial level, what's happening with the west wing while they're away? >> reporter: this is going to be a major renovation to the white house. and this is something that president trump didn't plan. it was actually something that was put in place during the obama administration back in 2012. but i had to write down the list, brooke, because it is lengthy, all the things that are going to be done there. they're going to deal with a ceiling leak, there are hvac repairs in the offing, both the
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sou south portico and both lawn are being renovated, general upgrades in terms of painting the hallways and already seeing some of this taking place right now. they were moving some of the furniture out of the building this week. some of the pictures that are traditionally on the walls in the west wing have been taken down. so they are taking advantage of the fact that the president and his family won't be there in the office, and also, it's also worth pointing out that much of the press won't be there as well. they'll be with him in bedminster, so this is going to be a big upgrade time for the white house. >> all right. no press conference today. we'll see what is released publicly for the next 17 days. ryan nobles, thank you very much. coming up next, i know, don't be too disappointed. he has officially turned down "dancing with the stars," but former white house press secretary sean spicer does have big, big plans for his future. details on the deal he just signed. when a fire is going on,
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i know. i know. but he may be soon sharing his story. spicer tells cnn he signed a contract with tv attorney bob barnett who is famous for representing politicians who are involved in tv or book deals. first, he will have to pack up his office. spicer has been spotted at multiple white house events. he is still getting a paycheck and maybe a little nostalgic if you follow him on instagram, posting a picture of marine one on the white house lawn, writing, this will never get old. and we can't help but be a little nostalgic for snl's short lived comedy gold mine. >> all right. first of all, i just like to announce that i'm calm now. and i will remain calm as long as you sons of -- i'm not going to do that. because that's the old spicey. and this is the new spicey. >> oh, pour some out for melissa
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mccarthy. cnn political analyst tara wrote a piece in politico. i know. i know. about sean spicer's next steps. so, what has he been up to? i understand he still has that big fancy press office and i'm sure sarah huckabee sanders is eyeing that mighty closely. >> right. i spoke to some aides this morning who said it's just awkward that he's staying for three more weeks. she's not even in her office and they feel like they're kind of in this deadlock where they can't really move forward. you know, spicer is living his best life right now. he's not really engaging with the press in the same way that he used to. he's attending tax reform meetings, talking about how to roll that out. he's just, like, popping in and out of ceremonies, like the swearing in of the new chief of staff, general kelly. he went to a medal of honor ceremony for a vietnam veteran. and he's taking his family on tours of white house and just kind of hanging out. but it's for three weeks. and you know, i spoke with an -- a former office -- sorry,
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government of affairs ethics officer and he said that there needs to be a recusal notice filed by spicer to the white house counsel about his interest in seeking other employment, especially with media companies. at the end of the day, he can grant access to the media. he can give exclusives. he can give information that can actually help the media companies business model. so that would be a conflict of interest, and he therefore needs to be recused from dealing with the media. so people may wonder, what's the point in him coming to work for the next three weeks when his job is to deal with the media. i reached out to spicer and to sarah sanders and asked them if spicer has, in fact, filed this notice since he did start taking meetings over a week ago and they did not respond to me for comment so it's unclear if he has actually gone forward and asked to be recused from his day-to-day duties. >> and obviously the big
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question is, what the heck does he do next. i have a feeling we'll see him pop up somewhere. let me ask you, tara, about the, you know, six major administration members have, you know, resigned or been fired since february. you see them on the screen. noticeably absent from this picture is a woman. you know, you think of the women at the white house, huckabee sanders, kelleyanne conway, hope hicks, omarosa, ivanka trump, and i read a piece by your colleague who noticed this and wrote about this. why do you think it is the women who have survived so far? >> well, the women have been survivors for sure, but they figured out how to not be the co-stars in the donald trump show. and that is an issue that, you know, steve bannon has run into when he was on the cover of "time" magazine, and his weight in the white house definitely dropped and he lost influence. the women have definitely been able to manage staying in the spotlight while not staying in the spotlight. hope hicks is, you know, the
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gatekeeper to the president, and you don't really see her much in the media, in the press. >> never. >> she really keeps a low profile. dina powell as well. sarah sanders, trump really likes her but who knows how long that will last? although she never really had an affection for sean spicer, so i think she's started on better footing. kellyanne conway sometimes knows she needs to take a step away from the press and keep a low profile. you have to sort of stay behind the scenes and i think the women have been able to handle that. you don't see amirosa on television. men like reince priebus, they basically had to defend him all the time. people like that aren't going to last long.
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marine i has landed at andrews. just beyond is the shot of air force i. we're waiting to see the president of the united states on this friday afternoon. we know congress has left town on august recess and now it is the president's turn here. he is headed momentarily to -- here we go. the president of the united states. and the salute. he is headed to air force i and then he will be in his golf club
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in new jersey, bed minimminster jersey where he will be for the next 17 days. first big, big vacation as commander in chief. we don't entirely know what his itinerary is. they haven't really released anything to the public and also noteworthy and absent today, no press conference. traditionally before presidents will head out of town for a chunk at a time, they will address the media since there are a multiple number of issues on his plate in washington. that did not happen. away he goes. the president off to bedminster, new jersey. now this. i just want to be a part of your life. >> this is how you do it? show up at my apartment? >> i'm not going to be ignored, dan.
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>> the portrayal of a woman scorned. remember that, "fatal attraction"? twenty years later, the movie helped shape a real life murder suspect into killing her husband. she never admitted guilt. she just sat down to an exclusive interview with cnn's k keira phillips. >> reporter: september 17, 1990, more than a year after the brutal killing of betty solomon, carolyn warmus was charged with her murder. >> i didn't know what they were talking about. i couldn't imagine, what could i possibly have done? and they said, for the murder of betty jean solomon. >> it's been the subject of
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front page magazine stories, tabloid headlines for month. the long-a waited "fatal attraction" trial opened up in we westchester county. >> i would say the state of mind was carolyn was guilty almost instantly. it was an implicit case of a woman having an affair with a married man. >> reporter: a tabloid sensation chased by dozens of reporters, described as a murderous homewrecker. warmus tried to camouflage herself with sunglasses, scarves, even blankets. why did you want to protect your identity? >> i said i'm a schoolteacher and i want to go back and be a schoolteacher. and i said, if i keep letting them take photos of me -- i'm never going to be able to teach again. il it's going to be tough enough as it is with this case. >> don't miss keira's exclusive
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interview in tonight's special report, "fatal attraction or fatal mistake?" the carolyn wa mrwarmus story r here on cnn. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. the fbi on election night watching this information in realtime. "the lead" starts right now. the president returned to friendly turf yesterday to blast the russia story as a hoax, a total fabrication, despite quite a lot of evidence to the contrary. before heading off to a 17-day vacation, here in washington, of course, the russia investigation is taking no vacations. inside the election night war room. what counter-intelligence officials were monitoring. plus, president trump's national security adviser a decorated general. so what's