it's me and it's you. don't stop now, it's easy to add to the routine. join energy upgrade california and do your thing. hello. i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. here in washington. 8:00 p.m. in moscow. 1:00 a.m. in the philippines in ma milla. wherever you're watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. president trump marks his 200 day in office taking direct aim at the news media and touting his base, but also facing major challenges here in the united states and indeed abroad. the president is at his golf club in new jersey. and the white house is calling it a working vacation. he tweeted today that his base is bigger and stronger than ever, despite the news media. meanwhile, in manila, secretary of state rex tillerson and the
russian foreign minister sergey lavrov faced off over new sanctions on russia and the state of relations between the united states and russia. back here in washington, the deputy attorney general weighed in on the scope of the russia investigation, rod rosenstein saying independence counsel robert mueller can pursue any evidence of a crime that he uncovers. and north korea today threatened revenge against the united states over new it sanctions. the united nations security council unanimously approved the sanctions in response to pyongyang's ballistic missile tests. north korea calling it's sanctions an attack and warning the united states, and i'm quoting the north korean state media right now -- against believing that its land is safe across the ocean. this action is against pyongyang dominated a number of discussions at the asia regional security forum ongoing in the philippines. both the russians and south korean foreign ministers spoke with their north korean
counterpart, the north korean foreign minister at the meeting. for more let's go to our senior international correspondent ivan watson. he's on the scene for us joinings us live from manila. ivan, north korea clearly not backing down in its public statements. so what happens next with these latest sanctions? >> reporter: well, the new sanctions, what they do is, they ban the north korean export of coal, of iron, and even of seafood, and in theory, u.s. diplomats say that should cut up to one-third of north korea's export revenues. but u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson, he conceded that it will be now very important to see how that goes through in practice. will this ban actually be implemented? take a listen. >> so the next steps obviously, to see that the security council resolution sanctions are enforced by everyone, and we hope, again, that this
ultimately will result in north korea coming to the conclusion to choose a different pathway, and when the conditions are ripe, that we can sit and have a dialogue around the future of north korea. >> reporter: and when it comes to the conditions being ripe, another condition tillerson pointed out, well, they've got to get a signal from pyongyang it's ready to sit down, for instance, is a spending the ballistic intercontinental missile launches. from all the statements seen tr pyongyang, it does not look like the north koreans are in the mood to talk. wolf? >> all right. ivan, thanks very much. ivan watson reporting for us from mamanila. the white house held an hour-long phone call with secretary of state rex
tillerson, and the new white house chief of staff general john kelly. they discussed the situation involving north korea. get more perspective. joined by a former senior adviser to u.s. ambassador christopher hill. remember, ambassador hill was held of the u.s. delegation to the six-party talks imaed eima resolving the north korea nuclear crisis and retired general kirby are toer state department and pentagon spokesperson. thank you to you both for joining us. and's the foreign minister actually invited to attend this meeting with all the other asian countries including the united states, actually met with the russian and the south korean foreign ministers, which is significant. he issued a statement saying this, the north korean foreign minister. we will under no circumstances put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table. neither shall we flinch even an inch from the road to bolsters up the nuclear choices chosen by
ourselves unless the nuclear threat of the united states ghent the dprk, the democratic people's republic of korea, are fundamentally eliminated. is that just rhetoric or is there some significance here? >> i think it's both. on one hand, we have to dismiss the most fiery parts of the rhetoric, because this is constant and north korea likes to entertain the world actually with flamboyant language. on the other hand, i think north korea is setting the stage and saying exactly what it is willing or not willing to do and in a way, maximalizes its position and that's part of its negotiating strategy. >> how significant is it, john, that the north korean foreign minister was, a., invited, and, b., actually participated and had direct face-to-face meetings with the south korean foreign minister and the russian foreign minister among others? >> not insignificant. asean, they're not a normal member. that they were there is unique and in a way not all bad.
right? that he had a chance to interact and to have dialogue with other members of the community. >> what do you think? >> well, it's an annual event. i don't think it's necessarily that significant that north korea was there. on the other hand, north korea could have chosen not to come. so i think it showed up, is willing to are the sow of set its position, which is much, much further out in the field than the rest of the international community. it's significant. >> what issals a significant is that the united nations security council over the weekend unanimously, 15-0, passed a resolution imposing new sanctions against north korea. russia onboard, china onboard. clearly the u.s. ambassador, nikki haley, was thrilled. >> yes. and apparently, an initiative they put forward and significant. these are comprehensive sanctions and the administration deserves credit for ushering them through. we have to wait and see. sanctions take a long, long time. in's 2016 the obama administration ushered very
comprehensive, ven the strongest sanctions ever enacted against the north at the time. we'll see where it goes. it does show, though, the international community further galvanizing against the threat posed by north korea and that russia and china continue to be onboard. at least on paper, is a healthy thing. we have to just, implementation is the devil in the detail. you heard him talk about it. >> the new south korean government is certainly much more open thanned trump administration is to launching direct talks with north korea trying to ease this crisis? >> well, i think we have to remember that the moon administration in south korea is part of the sunshine policy. he firmly believes that engagement it the only way to change the regime. now, president trump, i don't think, is ideological. i think he is willing to negotiate. he's a businessman, and transactional. those two are not that far apart as people think but coming from very different places.
>> he tweeted, president trump, jut completed call with president moon of south korea. very happy and impressed with 15-0 vote on north korea sanctions, but a significant difference in strategy, in tactics between the south korean government and the u.s. government. >> yeah. i mean, as rightly was said, president moon, a softer view than his predecessor, but givingen the race the north is on to develop capabilities and the threats posed, increased threats now, you are starting to see, i think, a gelling, a coalescing of some international approach and pressure on the north. one of the things the administration is doing right, trying to work trilateral cooperation between japan and the united states. historically difficult given the history between south korea and
japan but that also has come together. >> the fact russia, especially china, was onboard in this nan nous united nations security council imposing new sanctions against north korea, how significant is that? >> well it is significant to the extent that finally i think the pressure is on china, actually, to do something more. but before we go around congratulating china as this incredible achievement, we have to remember, this is the minimum of what china should have been doing, and we should also remember, newspap numerous time and russia would not support sanctions's we already have 15 u.n. resolution sanctions on north korea going back to actually 1993, but really 2006. 15 -- and during that time north korea tested five nuclear weapons. so china is doing the minimum at this point of what it should be doing. >> thanks for coming in. appreciate it. john keshirby you have to come, you're a cnn contributor, jand
immediate meeting about new sanctions and tillerson zeroed in on the sanctions. elise labott joins us now. what else have we learned about tillerson's meeting with the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov? >> reporter: wolf, seems to be a very tense meeting. nobel was russian foreign minister lavrov complaining about those sanctions, secretary tillerson also was, you know, seeking a little bit more clarification of that russian move to cut 755 u.s. diplomats from the u.s. embassy in russia. this whole issue of meddling, the russian meddling in the u.s. election continue to be the elephant in the room. take a listen to secretatillersy earlier. >> the russia meddles in the election was certainly a serious incident. we talked about it in the
discussion we had with minister lavrov yesterday and trying to help them understand just how serious this incident had been and how serious it had damaged the relationship between the u.s., the american people, and the russian people, that this had created serious mistrust between our two countries and that we simply have to find some way to deal with that. >> reporter: so a lot of mistrust but also a lot of critical national security issues among them syria, which they talked about. ukraine. and north korea, which is why they're there in manila in the first place, wolf, this issue of the meddling, the investigations here in washington into possible collusion between russia and the trump campaign continue to dog that relationship, and make, moving forward difficult for these two leaders. >> any indication by september 1st when all of those american diplomats and embassy personnel are about to be kicked out of
russia, that the u.s. will further retaliate, because as you know, at the end of the obama administration, the u.s. expelled, what, about 34, 35 russian diplomats, shut down two russian compounds in maryland and long island. >> reporter: so this is a tit for tat, as you said. the obama administration made those moves. remember, president putin had held off and this is really a follow-on to that. secretary tillerson said that they're considering a response. i think the question is whether they can, you know, let this stand and move forward. they've both said they want to eliminate those irritants, as they say in the relationship. they consider this one of them. i think it remains to be seen what that u.s. response is going to be, and whether that's going to continue to spiral. >> yes. the pressure on the trump administration will be enormous. it's one thing to expel 34, 35 american diplomats from russia. it's another thing for the russians then to tell 755 american diplomats and other embassy personnel, you're out.
that's a big, big number. all right, elise. thanks very much. our global affairs correspondent elise labott reporting. up next, as tillerson meets with his russian counterpart overseas the investigation of possible collusion between the kremlin and washington expands. we have new information. and mike pence, the vice president, striking back in a report in the "new york times" he is eyeing office in 2020. the vice president isn't alone. details what's described as shadow campaigns that several republicans are now running. hi..and i know that we have phonaccident forgiveness.gent, so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight- four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it.
megan's smile is getting a lot because she uses act® mouthwash. act® strengthens enamel, protects teeth from harmful acids, and helps prevent cavities. go beyond brushing with act®. the investigation into russia's meddling into the u.s. presidential election appears to be entering a new phase. a source tells cnn mueller issued documents and testimony related to donald trump jr.'s meeting with a russian lawyer last summer. the deputy attorney general was asked how far mueller's
investigation can go. >> if he finds evidence of a crime that's within the scope of what director mueller and i agreed is the appropriate scope of in is investigation then he can. something outside that scope he needs to come to the acting attorney general, at this time me, for permission to xmaexpands investigation. >> bring in our cnn crime and justice reporter, shimon prokupecz. update us what we no about the shreds of mueller's investigation. >> several. the shred of justice and big overall in appearing to be financial in nature in that mueller and his team of 16 lawyers and close to three dozen staffers and investigators have been poring over all of these various financial records related to the trump organization. we're also told some of which, some of the records being scrutinized have to deal with
his son, don junior and also other property records, such as trump tower in new york. they're looking at who has spent time there. who has rented offices there. has lived there. all of this, part of their larger investigation into the relationship between russia and folks close to donald trump and, really, the key here now is they want to go back. investigators want to go back and see, when were these relationships established? and if that sort of has had any effect on some of the decision-making. >> and rod rosenstein, deputy attorney general, offering a very strong source of support for robert mueller, the special counsel in that interview yesterday. thanks very much. shimon prokupecz reporting. get further perspective on the russia investigation. democratic congressman eric swalwell of california, a member of both the house intelligence and judiciary committees joining us from congressman, for joining
us. >> thanks for having me back. >> and what's your opinion about special counsel robert mueller can investigate any crime heunc investigative work? >> it makes sense, wolf. the ties the trump campaign has to russia is very, very financial in nature. we know donald trump invested in the russians over the years and they invested had in him. tr trademarks in russia. the miss universe pageant in russia and russia bought condos in his buildings in new york and a russian oligarch purchased a home in florida later sold in 2008 reaping profit of 129%, certainly is worth exploring further. >> cnn learned, congressin ma, that robert mueller has expanded
his investigation to include that actual money trail. he's following the money, as they say. so specifically, you mention a couple of examples. what does that suggest to you? what if he follows the money and comes up with something that has absolutely no connection to the allegation of russian/trump campaign collusion? >> well, the premise of the collusion, or at least the premise of the ties that many alleged occurred between donald trump and russia has been that russia sought to influence members of donald trump's campaign and perhaps the president himself, and one of the ways that russia has done this with other individuals in the united states is, james comey testified march 20, by entangling them in financial relationships, or preying on financial distress. now, there's also a -- in law, wolf, there is a concept called plain view. so if the police go to a building and are looking for a gambling ring and they happen to walk upon a meth lab, they don't
have to look the other way. they can actually explore that as long as they are lawfully in the building. so if they are lawfully looking for coordination with russians and come across other crimes that may have been committed, they don't have to look the other way. >> you've heard the president, he calls this whole russia probe a witch-hunt. a hoax. and he goes specifically one step further saying the probing, that probing his finances or those of his family members and associates simply goes way too far and crosses that red line. your reaction? >> good thing he doesn't get set the red lines here. they intend to put guardrails in place if he tries to get rid of bob mueller. i'm satisfied that leaders in congress will assert our coequal jurisdiction makes sure this investigation is able to fairly run its course. >> if you have great confidence in rob mueller, i assume you do, why do you still want and
independent commission, a separate new commission, to be set up to investigate russian meddling in the u.s. election? >> bob mueller's role is to understand whether any crimes were committed. our role in congress and i believe the september 11 commission, what they did so well was they were able to look outside of the crimes, but at how we can make sure this never happens again. so after zseptember 11th. a bipartisan group looked at our vulnerabilities and made recommendations for congress to put in place, how to make sure a vulnerability like that never happened again. here in congress i see this has become too politicized and also we just don't have the time to devote ourselves to understanding just exactly what russia did. and it's certainly important, but there are other duties in congress. so i think the best thing we can do to depoliticize it, to debunk a lot of the myths the president put out there and declassify as much of the facts as possible for the public is to have a full-time commission look at
what russia did and then have us go to work to make sure the ballot box is more secure next time. >> as you know in recent days there's been a bipartisan push amongst some senators to actually bar the president from directly firing the special counsel, robert mueller. the white house kourcounsel kellyanne conway says that's not even on the president's radar. >> does the commit to not fire be bob mueller? >> the president does not even discuss that. the president is not discussing firing bob mueller. >> what's your reaction to conway's statement? >> well, the president has a past history trying to intimidate individuals by kind of floating out ideas. we saw this with the suggestion that president obama had wiretapped trump tower. he said james comey better hope there aren't tapes, which i believe was a way to try to intimidate the former fbi director from coming forward and testifying. i think by trying to undermine bob mueller's investigation, he is trying to make bob mueller
worried that he may be fired or try to do everything he can to undermine and, i guess, you know, cast doubt upon anything that bob mueller finds. i think the american people are behind bob mueller and they will probably accept whatever he finds or doesn't find. >> so where do you see this heading in the short term? are we close to getting some answers? >> on our house investigation we made more progress in the last three weeks with the witnesses brought in than we'd made in the prior five months. we're steadily going forward. we're a interviewing witnesses reviewing documents and hope to report back to the american people soon, and we just want to make sure that bob mueller has all the resources and you all the runway necessary to also report back to the american people and clear the president, if these were all just coincidences, but hold people accountable if something more. >> what's the definition of "soon"? >> well, i hope before the midterm elections, wolf, for the house investigation, because we want to make sure when people go
to the ballot box in november, that we have put some reperfor s -- reforms so not only russia is deterred but other countries with similar capabilities. >> midterm elections still a long way off. congressman eric swalwell, thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure, wolf. coming up -- pence for 2020? the vice president says that idea is absurd. it's offensive. we have details on that new report that he along with other prominent republicans are already positioning themselves for a presidential run. day 13. if only this were as easy as saving $600 when you switch to progressive. winds stirring. too treacherous for a selfie. [ camera shutter clicks ] sure, i've taken discounts to new heights
jersey while white house goes through long planned renovation. going to new york next week for more meetings." go to our white house reporter, joining us from bridgewater, in of, near where the president is staying in his golf course. kaitlan, the russia investigation was also the focus of several of the president's tweets this morning. update our viewers. >> reporter: yes. definitely it was, wolf. though the president says he doesn't have time to watch television or doesn't watch cnn specifically, he was clearly watch aring this morning particular senator richard blumenthal was interviewed on "new day." in that interview, voisi ivoici support for looking into the investigation. >> this grand jury investigation involves the rule of law and fundamentally americans care about the rule of law. so protecting bob mueller, legislation that a group of us on a bipartisan basis offered
last week requiring a panel if the president threatens to fire bob mueller. i think it's very important to protect and safeguard the independence and integrity of that. >> reporter: we know the president was watching that, wolf, because minutes after that interview aired he went on a tweet storm about senator blo blumenthal. interesting to what senator richard blumenthal of connecticut talking about postrussian collusion when he was a phony vietnam con artist. he continued, never in u.s. history has anyone lied or defrauded voters like senator richard blumenthal. he told stories about his vietnam battles and conquest, how brave he was and it was all a lie. he try cried like a baby and begs for forgiveness like a child. now he judges collusion? so as you know there, wolf, the president is referring to a 2010 controversy when blumenthal made repeated remarks he served in vietnam, though it was later
cleared he had service here in the united states. a familiar attack that the president used often to criticize blumenthal but gives us a insight into how the president spent his morning here in rainy new jersey on twitter and watching tv. >> interesting, kaitlan. blumenthal responded with tweets of his own. mr. president, your bullying hasn't worked before and won't work now. no one is above the law and tweeted, this issue isn't about me it's about the special counsel's independence and integrity. thank you very much, kaitlan collins reporting for us. discuss this and more. joinings us, david chalian and white house reporter for bloomberg news, shannon pennypiece. let me get specifically, the president tweeted, david, his base is stronger than ever. is that backed up by the polls? >> no. there's not actually -- i can't find shred of evidence. didn't just say stronger than ever. he said getting bigger and stronger.
growing. i cannot find evidence in any poll, reerchcent poll, that sho his base is actually growing. now, he pointed out in his tweets, wolf, to rallies in pennsylvania and iowa and ohio and west virginia. clearly he still have robe but rallies with enthusiastic supporters. i'm not sure if they're growing bigger and stronger than the campaign. i really don't know what the evidence is to back up that claim. >> what do you think about the exchange with senator blumenthal? going after -- not the first time he's done it. clearly the president was watching cnn's "new day," senator blumenthal a guest. angry about what he heard from blumenthal and then launched into this attack. >> let me answer two ways. first as a father with two children who you would think would look up to their leaders'sthe president of the united states and the way that he acted this morning on twitter is not something i can turn to my children and say, this is a good example of somebody that
if -- to follow. specifically if you have a disagreement. clearly the president has a disagreement. from a strategic standpoint makes absolute no sense other than to try to connect with some of his bay suppois a base suppo. nearly 35 million followers on twitter. imagine if he took the energy he has and put it into getting behind an infrastructure bill, try to mobilize 35 million people on twitter how much more powerful he would be? in many ways i think, wolf, his actions are actually detrimental to him making progress. >> senator blumenthal will join me later today in t"the situatin roo room". we'll get more then. and what behind the strategy. >> there were tweets this morning but it appears chief of staff, general kelly, is trying to rein in the tweets and an effort by kelly and his lawyers
to at least not get him to stop tweeting but have someone review the tweets and let him know these are the implications if you do this. what you're step in if you move in this direction. i don't know if that was the case with the blumenthal tweets. you could see if someone said this will create a distraction, if you want to do that, go ahead and do that. there's more voices in the room around these tweets than a few months ago. >> to that point, you're not seeing on twitter this morning despite their being a tweet storm going after mueller or somehow exposing himself to more legal controversy in the russia investigation. not seeing him go after fellow republicans the way he did with lisa murk kowsco murkowski, whi her helps to not pass obamacare. >> we are seeing the vice president, mike pence, mark, really going after the "new york times" for that report over the weekend that pence is at least thinking about 2020 amongst several other republicans,
shadow candidates, as they call it. >> right. >> there you see the headline from the "new york times," republican shadow campaign for 2020 takes shape as trump doubts grow. listen to the vice president's press secretary who was on tv earlier today discussing this. listen to this. >> it's absurd, and really what you've got here is speculation, conjecture, half truths, masquerading as news on the front page of the never trump "new york times." the vice president has been nothing but supportive of the president and his singular purpose, maic sure the president's agenda is enacted and that the president is re-elected in 2020. >> what's your analysis. >> one, we often talk about speaking to an audience of one. see it from the white house briefing room. often times. that's what we saw from the vice president. >> the addia iaaudience. >> the president of the united states, pushing back. and a little tact on this.
malpractice not to have the vice president out there making sure his profile was strong with the community, if there was something that were to happen to the president. if he chose not to run, then you certainly would want your running mate to be in a strong position to then try to carry on the agenda. >> and i think this might have to do more with 2024 than 2020. ip know 2024 seems like a long way out, but mike pence, vice president pence, is 57, 58, around there. he still could have a run in eight years. the people i've talked to in pence world see that as his political future more than 2020. putting him in a strong position now and the best way to get a mike pence president in 2024 is to get trump re-elected in 2020 and serve, have a nice, calm, stable productive four years. >> david? >> indeed. if donald trump were to run for ere-election and lose an effort, we all know that 2024 campaign begins the day after election day 2020. so that's only three years away from now if indeed that were to
happen. not that we've never seen members of the ambitions themse. build up donor relations. interesting, only six months in and the particular ed happens to be in a very weakened political state now and, therefore, the context is read a little differently. >> and we should note quickly. vice president pence has been very loyal to the president. and continues to be very loyal to the president. >> sure. all right, guys, thanks very much. mark preston, david chalian. up next, the city of chicago suing the democrat of justice over sanctuary city funding and now the department of justice is firing back at the city's mayor, rahm emanuel. new information just coming in. we'll update you, right after this. fresh and nutritious. so there are no artificial colors, no artificial flavors, no artificial preservatives in any of the food we sell. we believe in real food. whole foods market.
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the city of chicago is suing the united states justice department over new sanctuary city funding requirements. the new conditions demand access to immigration information in order for a state to receive federal funding. the chicago mayor rahm emanuel says the new stipulations placed on federal grant money are unconstitutional. let's go to our national correspondent ryan young who joins us live from chicago. ryan, overall what chicago that $ $3.6 of billion federal dollars at stake. tell us more about what the mayor is now suing for. >> reporter: this is the edward testis program. a gbig conversation here. president trump has taken several swings for the vile, in the city. and rahm emanuel is fighting back talking about the idea they'll put forward to pull money away from the city could definitely hurt the city. they believe being a sanctuary
city allows citizens of anyone to be able to call 911. their belief, go through federal guidelines put forth, that would make certain communities not want to talk to the police department. the mayor says they need cooperation from immigrants to make sure when they dial 911 they don't have to worry about their immigration status. this back and forth is playing out in conversations throughout the city for quite some time. now the city is moving forward, suing the federal government saying they need this money. $3.2 billion, comes through in tasers, bullet-proof vests and moving forward they want to make sure they have this money. this is was the mayor said earlier this morning. >> our police departments are part of the neighborhood, part of the community built on the premise of trust between the residents and the police department. it's not, the police department is a part of the fabric of what makes a community safe, and we want people to come forward to work with the police department. not to fear them. >> reporter: and the federal
government's already hitting back, wolf. listen to this statement put out also this morning. in 2016, more chicagoans were murdered than in new york city and los angeles combined. so it's especially tragic as the mayor is less concerned with that staggering figure than spending time and taxpayer money protecting criminal aliens and putting chicago's law enforcement at greater risk. one of the big conversations, someone who might need put on immigration hold. let i.c.e. agents know 48 hours in advance they can have that conversation or tell i.c.e. agents they have someone like this in custody? that's the big conversation. when you talk to the mr. is departme police department they want to make sure the largest community, immigrant community, they feel comfortable calling 911 especially reporting crimes. you have this conversation, it's not the only city that will probably partake in this battle but the first one that's taking this first punch, suing the federal government saying that you cannot withhold these funds. they feel it's unconstitutional.
the big question now, wolf, will other people join in in this fight? other people join rahm emanuel and back him up taking on donald trump and the federal government? >> ryan young in chicago for us. thank you. up next, the secretary of state rex tillerson and russian counterpart sergey lavrov meet amid a knew sanctions bill. and going fishing. what's behind the release of the president's vacation photos? much more, right after this. you do all this research on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should've done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident.
ing sanctions unanimously approved by the united states security council, threatening the u.s. with, quote -- there's no biggers mistake than the u.s. believing its land is safe across the ocean. fareed, what do you think of the latest sanctions all the other sanctions certainly have slowed do you want much. >> there's almost no chance they will work. the key issue has always been china. the united states has very -- but north korea is an isolated economy that does bit with really one country in the world -- china. china provides 50% of its food, 90% of its future. so the only way this would work is if the chinese started to implement these sanctions in a truly sustained and almost
draconian fashion, which they have never been willing to do so far. the reason they're not willing to do is is not that the chinese are somehow unaware of the problems until you have a serious discussion about what a korean peninsula would look like with a collapsed north koreans, millions of refugees, a unified korea, presumably on south korea terms, also you have that conversation, they're not going to suddenly start jumping just because one more round of sanctions has been passed. >> you have an important new cnn special report that will air later tonight, "why trump won." i want to play a little clip. >> the entire industry blindsided. >> an industry and country. >> stunned journalists blame the
polls. >> the data was wrong. >> what does this mean for the whole polling industry? >> polling was wrong, we were wrong, everything was wrong. >> most people believe the polls were way off, including donald trump. >> those polls were wrong in just about everything, weren't they? >> that's not right. in fact all the national polls had the winner wrong, but the numbers were not far off. the polls was the least wrong of anything. the polls showed it was a close race and people chose to disregard that. >> the race tidened in the final days giving clinton collectively a 3% lead. she won the pop ought leer vote by 2%, in other words, so close it was well one the margin of error. >> so why what -- fareed, why was donald trump able to brake through and win the presidency. >> on the specific issue of polling, it turned out white the national polls were right, state polls were wrong in key states.
those states had a lot of non-college educated whites who were underestimated and a lot of voters who broke in a historically very unusual pattern. they broke heavily for trump. those were the two ambiguousities, the non-college educated whites and the undecideds. they pushed trump over the edge. they release d anything behind the time of of the release. he knows how to use imageers to bolster a certain image of him as a strong man, as vibrant, as vigorous.
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