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♪ don't stop believing at the moment the band seems to be in the same place the sopranos ended. in limbo. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> don't let the white house break you up. thanks for joining us. anderson's next. good evening. on a day the trump administration spent trying to get its message straight on nuclear north korea, we learned that the president's threat to north korea of fire and fury and power the likes of which this world has never seen before, those lines were delivered off the cuff. and now there's a new response from pyongyang, a threatening statement from the commander of kim jong-un's strategic forces speaking to president trump. he said, sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason. he went on to outline of coming military action, including a plan for targeting guam with
inveloping missile fire. whether you call it an aggressive test or a shot across the bow, it is a new and specific threat a day after the president warned the next threat would be answered with death, fire and fury. barbara starr begins our coverage from the pentagon. the statement from north korea seemed to just knock the president. >> reporter: it really did, anderson. it only took a few hours for the north koreans to respond. but they were very flowery, shall we say, in their language. let me read one part of it, saying "the u.s. president at the golf links again, let out a load of nonsense about fire and fury, failing to grasp the ongoing grave situation." so, you know, we now have the north koreans and donald trump exchanging insults, as perhaps only they can, anderson. >> the secretary of defense
james mattis issued a attorney warning to north korea today. >> very serious minded in comparison to what we saw from others. the secretary of defense, let me read some of what he said, very, very stearn. saying, and i quote "the dprk should cease any consideration of actions that would lead to the end of its regime and the destruction of its people. the dprk's actions will be grossly overmatched by ours, and would lose any arms race or conflict it initiates." perhaps look at that last word, conflict it initiates, the secretary making very clear he's not going to -- the u.s. is not going to tolerate north korea launching an attack. >> but secretary of state rex tillerson today seemed to be trying to dial down the temperature in the wake of the president's comments yesterday. >> reporter: right. everyone is wondering, is this the good cop, bad cop routine.
have a listen to what the secretary of state had to say. >> i think the president, what the president was doing was sending a strong message to north korea in language that kim jong-un would understand, because he doesn't seem to understand diplomatic language. i think the president just wanted to be clear to the north korean regime that the u.s. has the unquestionable ability to defend itself, will defend itself and its allies and i think it was important he deliver that message to avoid any miscalculation on their part. >> reporter: so the secretary of state, very calming voice there, the secretary of defense warning about the prospect of war. good cop, bad cop? the state department insisted everyone is on the same page, that mr. tillerson is expressing the diplomatic portfolio, if you will. and the secretary of defense, james mattis, looking at the military situation. >> barbara, thanks.
the president began the day by tweeting about the american nuclear stockpile saying the nuclear arsenal is "far stronger and more powerful than ever before." and in keeping with his track record, what he said turns out that it isn't quite true. jeff zeleny joins us now. so jeff, let's talk about this latest threat from north korea. do we expect a response from the white house or the president tonight? >> reporter: so far the white house has given no indication that they plan to respond to this tonight. the president has not, as well. this is something that some advisers to the president and to this white house are hoping that he passes on this opportunity to cool down this escalating back and forth series of exchanges here is for the president to not respond. so we do not know if he will, but we are told there suspect anything -- any immediate plan, but watch your social media feed, because that is a mace he could respond. but the language was directed
specifically to get under the president's skin. we'll see if it does that. they did not respond yesterday, the white house did not, to the guam threat. so we do not expect anything imminently tonight, anderson. >> what more do we know about the statement that the president made yesterday? >> so interesting, because the president was speaking off the cuff. he was improvising. i was told by three white house officials today, initially they wouldn't say. as the day wore along, they did say he was speaking extemporaneously, answering a question that was asked of him at bedminster yesterday. the white house was working very hard to explain that look, no one inside his inner circle, his new chief of staff, john kelly, was surprised by his. they say his military advisers weren't surprised by this, because he has used similar language in private. but saying it in public is so much different. it's always hard to know if the white house is coming up with the strategy to fall in line
after the president says something. th or if this was the plan all along. but he is surrounded in bedminster by his national security officials and the vice president is traveling to bedminster tomorrow. but this is the biggest foreign policy challenge that's now sitting on the president's desk. we'll see what he does with it. >> jeff, thank you very much. north korea tonight crosses rhetorically at least the red line the president drew. again, off the cuff just a bit more than 24 hours ago. joining us is william cohen, he served during the clinton administration. secretary cohen, first of all, your reaction to this response now from north korea tonight, specifically referencing the president's comments yesterday spelling out a possible strike on guam. >> when you improvise without really vetting this through your national security team and have
an interagency process so everyone knows what will be said, then you run the risk, as we saw yesterday, that the president made a statement indicating that a mere threat would be met with a very overwhelming, and the implication was nuclear response. that secretary tillerson had to tach do tamp down. he came out with the right statement, saying we're not in any peril at the moment. secretary mattis made a statement today that was the correction, that is to say you are playing with fire, that you're really escalating the danger in the korean peninsula area, in the entire region. and if you take any action opposed to the threat, if you take any action, it will be met with a response that will probably end your regime. now, i have made statements of that same effect. and that is our policy. but i think when you start
issuing statements that if you even threaten us, we're going to destroy you, when you've got a problem with the reaction. the north koreans have taken it as a bluff and now you have them escalating the rhetoric. now we have two schoolyard bullies, as such, kind of saying i've got a bigger gun than you've got. or my gun is more nuclear than what you have. so this is something that has to be calmed down. secretary tillerson has done the right thing. we have to go from here and put the pressure on the north koreans by doing what needs to be done, and that's squeezing them economically far more than we've ever done before. president trump deserves credit for getting this resolution through the security council last week. but don't undercut it with improvisations and off the cuff statements which are only going to undercut it. >> this president seems obsessed with the idea that people are laughing at him or laughing at us the u.s.
it's a phrase he used when he was a civilian and tweeting. when you were -- and now it seems like north koreans are mocking in this statement, perhaps intentionally. when you were secretary of defense under president clinton, did he speak about language and situations like this before speaking publicly? >> we always were very careful in what we said. any time you're dealing at this level with a country like north korea or any country, you need to be very precise and very concise. and to the point. and not leave too much ambiguity. now, dr. kessinger has been an adviser from time to time to president trump. he wrote, a bluff taken seriously can be helpful. but a serious threat that's taken as a bluff can be catastrophic. that's similar language used by dean atchison years before. so what we have now is, something has been taken as a bluff, when it may be serious.
so we now have to walk it back and say if you take action, which threatens us or our allies, then you will have a response which will be quite devastating to your regime. and we start moving from the region of saying o we're not trying to have a regime change. we will start removing -- we tried to work with you. it's untenable. therefore, we're going to look at regime change at some point in time in the not too distant future. >> you talked about squeezing north korea. i know you used squeezing like a python. can you smexplain what you meany that? are you talking about passage of the sanctions that were passed by the security council on saturday? >> we've been imposing sanctions on an incremental basis, a little at a time. those sanctions have been evaded or eroded. we know there's a black market and a gray market. we know there are chinese firms dealing with the north koreans and the russians.
and what i've said before is, we have allowed the north koreans to have a gun and butter policy. they've been developing the guns or the missiles and others are providing them with the butter. you need to take the butter away. you need to shut down their economic benefits so there's pain that is suffered. with an indication it's going to get worse. that coupled with more defense equipment that we need to have in south korea, for example. president moon of south korea has put on hold the deployment of the thaad anti-missile system. he needs to put it on the ground now, no more hesitation. we ought to put it in japan as well so we have a beefed up capability, telling our friends who are doing business with north korea, it's going to have an impact. we're not going to be quite as good to you in the future, because you're aiding an adversary, which may become an enemy. >> appreciate your time.
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breaking news tonight. north korea crossing the red line president trump seemed to draw just jeyesterday with thes remarks. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. he has been very threatening beyond a normal statement, and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury, and frankly, power the likes of which this world has never seen before. >> tonight, north korea challenged that only in words so far. the question is now what's next? joining us is our panel. chairman rogers, the president tweeted this morning, my first
order as president was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. it is now stronger and more powerful than ever before. ho how accurate is it for him to suggest that the nuclear arsenal now is more powerful than it's ever been before because he ordered it six months ago? >> i think what he was trying to do is at least reiterate that america is a first rate nuclear power when it comes to nuclear weapons. >> but there hasn't been an actual change in our nuclear capabilities over the last six months. >> we needed to modernize our nuclear capability for some time. so the fact that the president is going down that road i think is very, very important for the nuclear arsenal of the united states. to say that it's more powerful is probably a bit of a stretch. so my point on this, anderson,
and i just got back from south korea, talked to a lot of senior officials there, is that the president is probably not the best spokesman for that fiery rhetoric. if you want to deliver that message in a completely and coordinated effort, it's probably not the president that should deliver it. the president should deliver that i'm steely, i'm for our allies in south korea, we won't tolerate any attack on theite or any of our allies in the region is probably a better message. one of the things that kept coming out of the meetings in south korea is they need a little bit more charity and certainty what u.s. policy is. this notion that the president is doing it by tweet or off the cuff remarks is a bit concerning to our south korean allies and our allies in the region. >> peter, it doesn't seem to be of much concern to kentucknorth
but it does seem to be of concern to our allies. >> let's be fair to this administration. president trump didn't create this problem. president clinton's national security team when they were planning on taking office predicted north korea would be their first crisis. this is a crisis that's been a long time coming. secondly, it's fair to acknowledge that the team did develop a coherent, diplomatic strategy of maximum pressure on north korea by trying to work with china to ratchet up china's pressure on north korea. the problem is that the message of yesterday, which was off the cuff, was not coordinated and spe gra integrated into that larger strategy very well. but there is a larger strategy that they're following. >> gloria, to peter's point, the president's comments seemed at odds with the comments rex tillerson had made, and even today slightly different than
comments in very crucial ways that mattis made today. >> sure. i think what you saw was mattis and tillerson being the shovel brigade here and trying to clean up the mess the president made with his rhetoric. you saw tillerson trying to tamp down saying everyone ought to sleep well at night. you saw mattis. it was a muscular statement from mattis about america's military power but it didn't draw a red line saying if you threaten us again, watch out. it was more generalized. so there was clearly a recognition that something had to be said after the president. if the president had not spoken, i don't think you would see those two statements from these two men today. >> doug, just in terms of history, what precedence of any do you see this?
white house spokesman sebastien gorka compared this to the cuban missile crisis. >> we are talking about potential nuclear weapons being used against guam or the united states. the way john f. kennedy handled that crisis is instructive. there was an embargo. we did do back channel diplomacy and were able to defuse that crisis and become stronger than ever. in 1949, when the soviet union got the atomic bomb, we were startled. we didn't know how they did it. then china got it, then pakistan. we never like it when a country that's anned a ve ca ed a vadve nuclear capability, but alas it seems north korea has one. and we've got to make sure we don't ratchet this up by reckless language or just being irresponsible and kind of back
our se our severals into a war we don't want. it is really serious when we order evacuations of american civilians from guam from japan and from south korea. then you'll know this is starting to become a hot war. when we come back, more with the opinion. president trump's words to north korea about power, the likes the world has never seen before. it's a stock phrase the president uses a lot. we'll show you just how common ahead. choose from the is turbo, es 350 or nx turbo for $299 a month for 36 months if you lease now. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. get your ancestrydna kit.here. spit. mail it in. learn about you and the people and places that led to you. go explore your roots. take a walk through the past. meet new relatives and see how a place
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anything about president trump, he repeats phrases quite often. this major threat, that's actually a phrase the president also loves to say. >> we're being very, very strong on our southern border. and i would say the likes of which this country has never seen that kind of strength. grassroots movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before. a historic movement, the likes of which the world has never seen before. the movement, the likes of which actually the world has never seen before. the movement like the world has never seen before. actually, a business enthusiasm is about as high as they've ever seen. we're unleashing a new era of american prosperity, perhaps like we've never seen before. >> perhaps we've also never seen before a president this fond of hyperbole.
but his words do have power. it's now up to the dictator of north korea to decide how to interpret them. chairman rogers, do you believe -- at this point, what is the best strategy for the u.s.? because as you talked about in the last break, rex tillerson had made a statement days ago and another today which seemed to be trying to deescalate at least the rhetoric. mattis talked about the military response if north korea were to attack the u.s. or the allies, which is the right tone? >> calibration matters. i reject this notion that this was like the cuban missile crisis. the vast majority of the communications happening in the cuban missile crisis were below the radar, strategic military moves that we knew that the soviet union at the time would recognize as serious efforts. and so a lot of that has been happening. that's correct.
i think the professor talked about the fact that a lot of great things have been happening. that's true. the mattis doctrine of making sure they understood we had the right military not only personnel but capability in the region to do bad things that oh, by the way, kim jong-un, if you try anything, your regime comes to an end. you're gone. that's the right message. but that is a calibrated message delivered in a way that doesn't escalate. and it gives kim jong-un a way out. what my concern is, the way that they're talking now, is that the president says this, and then his senior cabinet officials have to go off, including tillerson flying to guam and saying everybody calm down, there's nothing to see here. that's just not helpful. you have to have a calibrated message you're going to send to kim jong-un. it's very, very sensitive. you have the south koreans on edge. american forces are on edge.
and they'll do what they're asked to do, but having the president step out a little bit beyond that calibration, i just don't think is helpful. and the biggest concern i have, again, i just got back from south korea, is miscalculation, anderson. that the north miscalculates what something either means or some action that is taken and it escalates into a full-blown shooting war. we need to be tough and strong, but we need to be unified, calibrated message so that we can extract this to the right outcome. >> gloria, we heard from senator mccain yesterday. he was saying the president should be care about what he says about north korea. does the president have support on capitol hill for this kind of a red line he's now talked about? >> as you point out, mccain is a hawk, but he's not particularly supportive of this president on a number of issues. but he made the point that i'm
sure lots of people are thinking, if they're not saying it now, because they're on recess happily, and they don't have to comment on it every minute. but he said you have to be sure what you say you're going to do, walk softly and carry a big stick. i think he made it very clear that he thought the president got out ahead of himself and he said today, i think this is very, very, very -- three verys -- serious. and he was talking about kim jong-un, he said he's not crazy, but he is certainly ready to go to the brink. so this is a very different kind of adversary they're facing here. >> peter, how much of the u.s. rhetoric and u.s. policy is geared towards china and trying to get china to influence north korea more? >> i do think that's three possible rationals that might have been in the back of president trump's mind. the first is, we tried 30 years of moderate rhetoric and it hasn't worked. let's try something else.
secondly, he might have been saying let's give a little sauce for the goose. he's talking to north korea the way they talk to us. but third, he may be doing a little bit of the old nixon mad man theory where kissinger would present the reasonable argument and warn the adversaries, i can't be sure what nixon would do, you better make concessions. that would be directed at china, which can do more to pressure north korea and might do more if they are afraid the alternative is war. >> doug, what do you make of that comparison to nixon-kissinger? >> well, yes, but nixon did go mad by '73 and '74. by the end of his administration, kissinger would go in and hear nixon say bomb people to the bejesus. kissinger would say yes, sir, walk out and disregard richard nixon. we may have a case where mattis and kelly are not listening to
donald trump. i mean, he's been deeply erratic this year. suddenly the public is going to have confidence that donald trump's actually ve lly sly andg a mad man game would be reckless. i think we've got to calm down. north korea has been a problem for 70 years. they're always saying idiotic things. we just need to stay calm and work with china. >> thanks, everyone. coming up, we'll get the real story from someone who knows what he speaks. general spider marks joins us next. we're on to you, diabetes. time's up, insufficient prenatal care. and administrative paperwork... your days of drowning people are numbered. same goes for you, budget overruns. and rising costs, wipe that smile off your face.
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the kind of rhetoric that's been flying from the north korean rejoem and the president, it's hard not to imagine a scenar scenario. so we brought in general james "spider" marks. general, let's just look at the map here. because the distances are so close. >> the capital of south korea is seoul. that distance is about 30 miles from the border, from the dmz, located here in red and the capital of north korea is pyongyang. all of this is very compact terrain and very mountainous. >> so if there was a conflict, what are we looking at?
>> let me go to this map, if i can. first of all, seoul and its proximity to the demilitarized zone, these two by point of reference is where the missile launches have been taking place and where the missile development and nuke development is taking place. if the north koreans were going to invade, there are two essential invasion corridors, one from the town of cason and then here. so those two corridors vector right into seoul. but what you see today is a heck of a lot of urbanized glass buildings, residential parks, business, industrial parks that exist. so all these invasion corridors now are what we call urbanized, very compartmentalized terrain. you can see the mountain ranges that exist up here in the north, northwest to northeast like this. but what's important to point out, on the north slope of these
mountain ranges is where the artillery pieces are located in caves. so the worst thing that could happen is the zero warning scenario where these artillery pieces are brought out, then they start to launch into seoul. >> launching, we're talking about conventional weapons. >> yes. >> you're talking about how many missiles going towards seoul, how many rockets and the effect? we're talking what, seconds? >> seconds. flight time is probably 45 seconds to a minute. these are artillery pieces and rockets and missiles are kind of co-located here, as well. the only thing we can do initially, there's going to be a blow in seoul. there will be death and destruction that occurs. but our air force is so capable, our air force will make this kind of a motion to come down to go after this, after these
artillery pieces. because you can only attack those from the north to the south. >> a lot of these are in caves. >> but they have to pull them out to fire them. when they fire them, they're very vulnerable. >> 45 seconds flight time from launch to hitting seoul, seoul is what, 10 million people. and just in terms of industrialized cities, we're talking about skyscrapers full of glass. >> exactly. again, the two invasion corridors are here into seoul and here into seoul. that is completely industrialized right now. what would happen is, what you see -- let me also indicate here, that total population is about 20 million people in this area from camp humphreys, which is a u.s. location. that's incredibly urbanized. the other thing to point out, these locations are where all the logistics flows into country and casualties and personnel, civilian personnel, will be
evacuated out. >> just in terms of warning, if this is no warning from the north koreans and its launch, people have 45 seconds. >> exactly right. seoul is within that umbrella. the artillery range is about like that. seoul is within the range of these artillery pieces that are up here in the north. >> and u.s. personnel, would u.s. personnel go into north korea -- i don't know if you could say that. better question is, just in terms of casualties, you're going to have people trying to flee south. >> you are. let me do this. if i go back to this map, in what we just described occurred, those invasion corridors are both ways. when you look at the mountains that exist up here in north korea, all these mountains have a bunch of bridges across them that we can use to our advantage, the united states and south korea, or the north would want to use in order to go this way in towards seoul. well, these are invasion corridors that we would use, as
well. so we would have to protect those bridges if we thought we were going to use them, if we saw the north koreans coming, we would blow those bridges to slow them down and get them bottled up. so again, so we could get our air force capability that would then go after these targets. >> given the deprivations we've seen in north korea, how efficient is the military? >> the military has improved their capability over the years. there is a real quality to the quantity. this is over 1 million man military, inarguably one of the largest in the world. again, this close to seoul. on a 24-hour readiness basis. but they are not highly trained. they are very structured, if you will, in terms of command and control. so the ability of the south korean and u.s. forces to go north, the outcome of that would be devastating to north korea. that regime would be gone.
>> general marks, i want to bring in wesley clark and general hurtling. general hurtling, can you explain the difficulty of the terrain in this area of north korea, how tough it is to operate in? >> a couple things. what spider was just talking about is a war plan with multiple contingencies. when i was much younger as a colonel, our job was to come from ft. lewis, washington, to pusan, that small city on the bottom of the maps, unload our tanks and bradleys and travel up to the dmz. what i'll tell you in that, we were planning exercises where we were going up with all our logistics and tanks and artillery, while the south koreans were withdrawing. medical evacuation was occurring. it was an exercise, but we practiced that.
then the first time i went to korea as a brigade commander, i was in a helicopter going from pusan to near seoul, and i looked out at the terrain, and i said my lord, how do we fight in this because of what spider just described in terms of the spine backed mountains, the defiles. there's no hope planes that you can roll tanks across. when you shoot artillery, you have to get on the backside of the equipment. you don't know where the enemy is. the pilots trying to drop precision weapons are having challenges unlike in the desert. it was a tough fight in the '50s. it was be tougher today because of the artillery, and the systems that the north koreans have. >> general clark, the latest threat from north korea, in their words they're seriously examining a strike directed near guam. if that were to happen, what resources does the u.s. actually
have in place there? >> what we would have to do is put in terminal defense resources. so we would be bringing the standard missiles in on navy ships would be the fastest thing to deploy and put a picket defense around guam. we could also try to deploy thaad there. but there's not enough thaads, and the deployment is not -- it's not like a 24-hour process to send the thaad in. so can we do it? yes. but the real issue is, if they were to do that, how would we know when the missiles launch that it's only going at guam? how do we know it doesn't have a nuclear warhead on it? and why wouldn't we then, if that scenario escalates, why wouldn't we try to stop that missile before it gets launched? and this is the frightening scenario that we don't want to see unfold. we don't want to be in a position where we're waiting for the north koreans to take the initiative to launch a nuclear
missile. because we don't know whether it's going to be one or three missiles, and we don't know if they're going to guam until they're launched and we track the trajectory. and we don't know if it's got a nuclear warhead or not. why would we want to wait for that? this is what has to be conveyed to north korea in a diplomatic measure. as some of the earlier speakers were saying on this program, you've got to talk person-to-person in a diplomatic way, not tweeting, not bellicose rhetoric to the public. and you have to explain no further, you can't do this. you do this, all bets are off, and your country, your regime is totally exposed and at risk. >> general clark, it's basically what we were talking about before, the unintended consequences or just interpretations of actions the north koreans doing one thing, we interpret it one way, because we're not sure what their true capabilities and intentions are. >> exactly. that's exactly right.
that's why the rhetoric is so dangerous. when you start this ladder of escalation up, and the rhetoric leads to something more specific, which is the way the north koreans responded to president trump's generalized rhetoric, was something more specific. and even more specific in the last few hours. then that changes the character of the discussion. now it's no longer a generalized, bombastic threat. now it's very pointed and very specific. and it demands counteraction. and that starts the action, reaction cycle. this is a very dangerous development. >> general clark, general hurtling, general marks, thank you very much. coming up, fbi agents raid the home of paul manafort. what it could mean for the russian investigation. the impact this is all having on the trump team, next. chef ludo: je sens ce que the rock mijote. dj: man everything does sound better in french.
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manafort has refeatedpeatedly s that he's investigating. the investigation is going forward, and not necessarily with a light such. one source rattled a few cages of the inner circle. >> joining us is jeffrey toobin. jeff, this news tonight two sources telling sarah murray that news of the warning took trump's team by surprise and by some accounts, rattled a few cages in the inner circle. should it? >> you bet it should, i am someone who tends to be cautious and developments day to day are a big deal. this is a big deal. to get a warrant to search someone's home, you need to go to a magistrate and say we have probable cause to believe that this is evidence of a crime in that home. that's what the mueller people did, that's what the magistrate judge agreed to, and that's what
happened on july 26. this means that mueller's team believes that crimes took place, they believe that evidence of it has not been produced, even though manafort has said he's cooperating, this is a big shot across the bow, not just to manafort, but everyone involved in this investigation. >> phil, i mean manafort's lawyer said that they're specifically cooperating with the investigation. at least they believed he had been. >> there's a couple of facts you have to be aware of here. picking up on what jeff said, you have to go to a judge, they're not just here on a fishing expedition, they have to tell the judge something more than we think there's something in this house. you have to prove to a judge that it's appropriate that this move to search someone's house is appropriate. i spent thousands of hours with
mueller, he doesn't message and he doesn't signal. if he says he wants to search this house, it meanings he believes it's a critical part of the investigation and if i'm paul manafort, i would say i'm in trouble. >> why would people who have been under investigation so long keep documents lying around their house? >> you would think they would wouldn't, but here's where the presentation to the judge matters, a judge might well ask that same question, why am i going to give you a search warrant, if he's had the opportunity to get rid of it for all this time. mueller's people must have some evidence that says the evidence is still there. i mean, this is why this is so unusual. because you have a situation where, you know, someone who says they're cooperating, who's a major public figure, who's under great scrutiny, apparently, at least according to mueller, is still hiding
important information and material from prosecutors, and they persuaded a judge to go inside his home. also it's worth pointing out that judges understand the difference between someone's home and somewhere else. they don't give search warrants to homes willy-nilly. the idea that a home is someone's castle, judges believe that. so the fact that they gave a search warrant. some judge, we don't know who it was, gave the okay to search this house, really indicates that this affidavit which is under seal, we haven't seen it, that mueller presented to the judge was a powerful document. >> they have to specify exactly what they're looking for in order to get the search warrant? could they say they are looking for someone thing and come across something else and can they take computers? >> absolutely, if they find something of interest, they're going to take it. they keep talking about
documents, if i were looking at this and looking for what the mueller people might be looking for, i'm not thinking just documents, i'm thinking lap tops and cell phones, they're looking for devices that he never declared. maybe he had emails or addresses that he didn't turn over. think about the digital trail that he carries with him every day. i think that's substantial in this. >> jeff, do you expect there to be more of this? >> i don't know, i was surprised to see this one, especially since manafort's people said he was cooperating. it certainly says that mueller's team is not afraid to make a big statement, is not afraid to confront the people they are investigating, and if they did one, certainly my expectation is that they would do more. >> coming up next, a new response from north korea to president trump's threat of fire and fury like the world has never seen, a message containing
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. the breaking news this hour, a new and specific threat to north korea, a day after the president warned any threat would be met by fire and fury that the world has never seen. it's a statement from the commander of kim jong-un's strategic forces making reference to president trump, saying sound dialogue is not possible with such a guy bereft of reason and only absolute