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up. some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements and went through background checks and america grew stronger as a result. but today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. to target these people is wrong, because they have done nothing wrong. it is self-defeating, because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to a country we love. and it is cruel. what if our kids' science teacher or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a d.r.e.a.m.er. where are we supposed to send her, to a country she doesn't know or remember with a language she may not even speak? let's be clear. the action taken today isn't legally required. it's a political decision and a moral question. whatever concerns or complaints americans may have about our immigration in general, we shouldn't threaten the future of this group of young people who
are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. they are that pitcher on our kid's softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in rotc who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. kicking them out won't lower the unemployment rate or lighten anyone i anyone's taxes or raise anybody's wages. it is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit and to common sense that business leaders, faith leaders, economists and americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. and now that the white house has shifted its responsibility for these young people to congress, it is up to members of congress to protect these young people in our future. i'm heartened by those who have suggested that they should, and i join my voice with the majority of americans who hope they step up and do it with a
sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel. ultimately, this is about basic decency. this is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of america or whether we treat them the way we'd want our own kids to be treated. it's about who we are as a people and who we want to be." he closes with this. "what makes us american is not a question of what we look like or where our names come from or the way we pray. what makes us american is our fidelity to a set of ideals, that all of us are created equal that all of us share an obligation to stand up, to speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. that is how america has traveled this far. that is how if we keep at it we will ultimately reach that more perfect union." and that is the statement from president barack obama in its entirety on this daca news
today. daca news. let's go to the white house. let's go to sara murray. i mean, wow. that's a statement. i mean, this is someone who has not weighed in, but in this case, we got this. >> reporter: that's right. and it wasn't a short statement. as you were just reading it, brooke, obviously, a former president obama feels very deeply and passionately about this issue and one of the things that stuck out to me as you were reading it is that he dismisses the notion that this is a legal battle. he says, this is a political decision, that this is a moral decision. obviously, that's not how the white house is casting things today. they basically said they felt like they needed to come out and make some kind of announcement because they were going to face challenges from conservative attorneys general. that's why they said that attorney general jeff sessions was the one who came out and broke the news today. instead of president trump himself, and why they decided to allow this window to punt it to congress. but brooke, the reality is it leaves the fate of nearly
800,000 people who have given their information to the united states government, who were under the impression that they would be able to remain here legally, it puts their fate in jeopardy. it means that it's up to congress to come up with either a d.r.e.a.m. act or some other kind of legislation, and today, the white house wouldn't even say, sarah sanders wouldn't say whether president trump would sign a straight-up d.r.e.a.m. act if that came to his desk. she punted on that question and said he wants to see broader immigration legislation and suggested that he might be willing to sign something that tied funding for a wall, building up this wall along the southern border, to the d.r.e.a.m. act. obviously, that's something that democrats aren't particularly enthusiastic about but still really big question marks, even if the administration is insisting, look, people who lapsed on their d.r.e.a.m.er status, they're not a priority. we've heard very different things on that whether it comes to actual, you know, immigration enforcement agents on the ground here who say it is a crime to come here illegally and if we encounter you, we're going to put you in front of a judge.
>> gloria borger's with me now. i want you to react to this. it's fascinating to think of all -- how long has it been? seven or so months with this administration and you could think of myriad issues between rolling back obamacare or paris climb climate achocord and it's this issue on daca that brought president obama out. >> this is the anti-tweet from barack obama. this is a full-fledged, more than 140 characters, statement, and it clearly comes from the heart. i mean, this is something he did because congress didn't act, as he points out in this. and the language that he uses in this statement is personal language, talking in personal terms about how sending these d.r.e.a.m.ers back would be cruel, as he put it. and making the case, as sara
said, that don't make any mistake about this. this isn't required legally. this is a political decision, and it is a moral decision for members of congress now to make. so, he did not let the president off the hook on that, saying, look, he didn't need to do this, but now members of congress do need to do this. and you know, we don't know what the president would do if they did say the d.r.e.a.m.ers could stay or have a path to citizenship, because that might anger some of thinks base. but as you point out, this is really the first time in personal, fulsome terms. >> yeah. >> he -- barack obama has taken on donald trump, and in doing so, we understand how important he believes his executive order was, looking back on it. these years later. and what it did for the d.r.e.a.m.ers here. and i think that this is -- what he is doing is he is saying to
people -- >> gloria, forgive me. we're going to senator dick durbin. and lindsey graham. apparently they have a proposal with regard to daca. >> six or seven years ago when i wrote to president obama, who had been my colleague in the senate, and cosponsored the d.r.e.a.m. act and i asked him to use his powers as president to help these young people and he eventually issued daca, the program that gave young people across america who were undocumented a chance to come forward, to give all their personal information to the government, to submit themselves to a criminal background check, to pay a substantial filing fee, and if they were approved, to have a two-year opportunity to stay in the united states without deportation and with an opportunity to work. that is what daca is all about. 780,000 young people took advantage of that opportunity created by president obama. senator graham and i agree on many things. we disagree on daca.
i think it was a proper exercise of president obama's authority. he sees it differently. but even though we come to that issue with a difference of opinion, we are in agreement as to where we are today. it is time for us in congress to do the right thing for america, the right thing for these young people and their families, and to pass the d.r.e.a.m. act, to make it the law of the land and to do it now. the decision that was announced today by the trump white house was a disappointment to me. the first and only direct conversation which i have had with president trump was the day of his inauguration, and i thanked him for the kind words he said about d.r.e.a.m.ers and daca. he looked me in the eye and he said, don't worry about those kids. we're going to take care of those d.r.e.a.m.ers. i trusted that the president would do that. and i hoped to work with him. we had many meetings in the white house with people on his staff, talking about how we might achieve that goal of making certain that the d.r.e.a.m.ers would have their day and their opportunity.
well, today, this announcement that was handed down, first by attorney general jeff sessions, and then by the president, tells us that the clock is ticking. we are now in a countdown toward deportation for 780,000 protected by daca today. for those young men and women across america, i can tell you, this is a moment of great concern, great fear, and great anxiety about what's going to happen to their lives. they include teachers and engineers, medical students at loyola school of medicine in the city of chicago, who are uncertain now about their future. well, what's -- what senator graham and i want to deliver is the message today, is that we need to do our job right here in the united states senate. we need to pass, in this month of september, a d.r.e.a.m. act, a permanent law in this country, that says that these young people will have their chance to become part of america's future. the d.r.e.a.m. act is not a new idea, introduced years ago, gone
through the judiciary committee. it was part of our comprehensive immigration reform, and the day that we included it, i can remember, we met and had one of the shortest meetings of our bipartisan group. we said, fine. everybody's for the d.r.e.a.m. act. let's move to the next tough topic, when it comes to immigration. so, we have included this as our main item in the agenda for the month of september. we want to make certain that the senate and the house vote on the permanent enactment of the d.r.e.a.m. act as the law of the land. my last message, before i turn it over to my colleague is this, and it's nto the d.r.e.a.m.ers. we've stood together through thick and thin. we've had moments when we passed this measure in the senate, moments when we passed it in the house but never both chambers at the same time. this is our chance to do it. do not give up hope. if you are one of those d.r.e.a.m.ers, one of those protected by daca, you need to be part of america in its future. we made a promise to you that if
you gave this information to our government about you and your family, it wouldn't be used against you. i don't want that to ever happen. so, let's stand together. let's take heart and stand together and make sure that we do the right thing for the d.r.e.a.m.ers this month of september. senator graham. >> well, thank you. to the d.r.e.a.m. act population, there are a lot of people on the republican side of the aisle understand your dilemma and we want to find a fair solution, because you have done nothing wrong. you came here as children. you've contributed to society. you have passed criminal background checks. you've demonstrated your ability to be beneficial to the country now in the future. the only thing that stands between you and certainty in your life is the congress. that cannot be that reassuring. so, here's the deal. the congress is going to have to up its game. as to the president, i think he was right to terminate daca.
i believe from day one, it was an unconstitutional overreach by president obama. he had a dilemma on his hand. i understand why dick wrote the letter. i've tried to do my part to find comprehensive immigration reform, not only for the d.r.e.a.m. act kids but also for their parents, but the main thing i've tried to do is make sure that 20 years from now, we don't have 11 million more illegal immigrants. fix it once and for all. so here's what i think happened. i think the president did the country a service by going back to constitutional order in a way that allows a six-month opportunity for the congress to take care of these kids. so, the president was right on the law, but he was also right to give us six months to figure out a solution to this. and my challenge to the president is that you've talked very glowingly about these kids. help us. help us in the house. help us in the senate. i think you're a good man. get involved, personally. work the phones. try find a consensus here. here's what i think is going to happen. there are going to be elements
of the republican party who believe that if you pass the d.r.e.a.m. act, you're rewarding future illegal immigration, you're incentivizing illegal immigration in the future and my reply to them would be, you would be right if he just stopped with the d.r.e.a.m. act but we're going to do more. 70% of americans want to secure our border, control who comes to our and you know create order out of chaos. 70% of americans at least want to give these kids a second chance and a good life in our country. when you tell them to go home, they will go back to the house they were raised in. they have no other country other than america. they are no more connected to their home country than i am to scotland where my grandfather came from, so the reality of the situation is that these children basically have no place to go other than america and here's the good news for america. you should want them to stay. they're great kids. they're working. they're productive. this is a win-win. if there was ever a win-win in modern times, it would be the d.r.e.a.m. act.
because the congress gives legal status, not an overreaching executive order. you may like the executive order for d.r.e.a.m. act kids but where does it end? what is the limitation on power of a president to give 900,000 or 1 million people status just by a stroke of a pen. so if you're a constitutional conservative, passing the d.r.e.a.m. act should please you because the congress is doing its job with the president signing a bill passed by the congress. if you worry about these kids, you should vote for the d.r.e.a.m. act because it gives them what they, i think, deserve, a new life in their home country. to those in the republican party who vote no, i respect it. i respect your decision but let's have a healthy debate. make the case that these kids don't belong here. because i'm going to make the case they do. and we're all going to vote. so from a republican party point of view, this is a defining moment. we need to create a step, a process forward to fix a broken
immigration system, starting with the d.r.e.a.m. act kids, i think, is a good down payment on what will eventually be a comprehensive solution to a broken immigration system to the president. you have a chance to show the nation as the president of all of us where your heart's at. you have a chance as the leader of the republican party to do two things. say that we are the party of constitutional process, that we believe in doing it right, but right means taking care of these kids. >> senator, for both of you, there are a lot of republicans who feel that if you give these young people legal status, you're just going to incentivize more people to bring their kids here illegally. how do you change their minds? >> i think i just said that. i think that one, this is a realtime problem. the kids will be thrown back into the darkness. that doesn't help fix a broken immigration system to be -- to take these kids and ruin their
lives and that's what you'd be doing. so i think most republicans believe that you have to have a secure border or you'll get 11 million more in the future. matt most democrats want a secure border too. most republicans want to control who gets a job in the future. what about the parents of these kids? well, here's the dilemma. we're going to deal with the d.r.e.a.m. act kids first, but to get to the parents, you're going to have to have a comprehensive solution in place. i don't think republicans are going to legalize the 11 million and hope one day to secure the border, increase legal immigration will come from the democrats. and i bet you democrats are not going to give us all the legal immigration increases we want, the border security we desire, without having some idea what happens to the 11 million. so, john mccain said he was against this idea because he wants to go back to comprehensive immigration reform. i have walked the walk when it
comes to voting for comprehensive immigration reform. but we don't have that luxury right now. as dick said, we've got six months. so, i am with dick durbin. we need to work on the other parts of the problem. i promise my republican colleagues that i will not stop with the d.r.e.a.m. act because that does incentivize future illegal immigration. i am committed to fixing this problem once and for all. >> let me just say a word about the six months. calculation of six months is to march 5th so we have plenty of time, right? not by senate standards we don't and those of you who have lived around here know what i'm about to say. who knows what next month's topic du jour is going to be? kim jong un, irma, harvey. let's move and do it now. that's why we think it's important to make the d.r.e.a.m. act the law of the land now. >> senator, congress has tried and failed more than ten times to pass protections for
d.r.e.a.m.ers. why should d.r.e.a.m.ers today have any confidence that this time around you'll be able to get this done. >> some people look at the doughnut and just see the hole. in you look at the history of this, this measure has passed the senate, it has passed the house, it never did it as required by the constitution at the same time. now we have a compelling reason, a timely reason. daca is about to expire. we need to act on this or we know the consequences are a countdown clock to deportation for 780,000 of the best and brightest young people in our country. so we have a timetable and a timetable is what most americans need when it comes to filing their taxes and going to the dentist. and a timetable is what the senate needs. when we realize we have to act and get it done now or terrible consequences result. >> let me just talk -- you got the speaker of the house, who's a republican. you got the majority leader of the senate who's a republican. both expressing a desire to take care of the d.r.e.a.m. act kids. now, what the final bill looks like, i don't know. but i like our bill a lot. you got 68 votes in the united
states senate in bipartisan fashion. you also have the president of the united states who did two things today. he rejected the idea of president obama's executive order as being a presidential overreach. i think he was right to do that but he expressly gave us six months. but the reason i think it will get done now is because the leadership of the republican party, including the president, realizes it's good for the country economically and otherwise to give these kids the certainty they need in their lives. >> senator, are you concerned that the administration, sarah huckabee sanders seemed to be suggesting today that the administration wouldn't sign just a clean daca fix and that they wanted what they called responsible immigration reform. >> well, all i can say is that the process of taking care of the kids will be a negotiated process. the comprehensive gang of eight bill was negotiation. there are a lot of people who believe a good marriage would be
border security and d.r.e.a.m. act. now, i know this. there's not much of an appetite for 2,200-mile wall. that's what you mean by border security, you're not going to get a lot of votes but i can tell you that dick durbin has voted, in the past, for dramatic increases of border patrol agents, fencing where it makes sense, walls where it makes sense, drones and technology where it makes sense. so i don't know how this movie ends but here's what i'll predict. we're not going to allow these kids to be victim of a broken political process. as a matter of fact, this may be what we need in congress to get our act together, real people, something we can put our hands around and the public can understand. a real issue with real live people who need us to act decisively. we're going to do two things. we're going to take care of the hurricane victims in texas and we're going to take care of these kids. >> senator -- >> all right. so, basically, what you have here is, what, four hours after
the nation watched the attorney general step behind this podium and rescind the daca program, affecting 800,000 or so young undocumented youth here under this -- who are all d.r.e.a.m.ers, you have now a republican and a democrat in the senate who have now this piece of legislation, the d.r.e.a.m. act, and they're essentially saying to d.r.e.a.m.ers, we've got you. or we hope we've got you, but we need congress to act and they said they want congress to act in september, this month. gloria borger is back with me as is rana and mark -- forgive me. so, gloria, just to you, on the politics of this, to hear republican senator lindsey graham address d.r.e.a.m.ers, to hear him say, for the republican party, this is a defining moment, for him to say to the president, hear us, help us work the phones. what did you make of that? >> well, lindsey graham has always been someone, as you know, who's been for
comprehensive immigration reform and has voted that way. but i think what he -- the points he made at the end, which was actually the point that president obama was making in his statement, is that we're not going to allow these kids to become a victim of the a broken political promise. and lindsey graham did not come at this by criticizing the president, because he agrees with him that what president obama did was overreach. and he didn't like that either. but he said to congress, basically, okay, we now have to do this or these kids will become victims or our broken political process, and that isn't good for the country, and it also isn't good for the republican party. >> mark, here's my question to you because when we were watching jeff sessions, he claimed that daca denied hundreds of thousands of american jobs but allowing these same illegal aliens to take those jobs. fact? do you have research supporting that? >> well, i mean, it's just -- they're in jobs that americans
would be doing. they're not picking tomatoes. for the most part, the dacas, who have work permits, are working in jobs that americans would be doing. i mean, that's a legitimate point, but it's not the legal point. the legal point is actually something i agreed with senator graham about. daca was illegal. and i also agreed with senator graham that passing a stand-alone measure, a so-called clean daca fix, in other words, where they just give them amnesty, and you don't have any elements that try to limit the harmful fallout of that amnesty, is going to just encourage more illegal immigration, which is why what congress needs to do is not pass the d.r.e.a.m. act on its own but pass a measure that both amnesties the dacas, just give them green cards, rip off the band-aid and get it over with, but make sure that the fallout from that amnesty is limited by mandating e-verify, that's the system to help turn
the magnet of jobs off that attracted the parents of these people in the first place lo these many years ago because none of these are kids, they're all adults now. and changes in legal immigration so that the parents who did know what they were doing are never able to benefit from this amnesty because the daca young people are a unique and special case, they are different from all other illegal immigrants which is why it's a good idea to amnesty them but what that also means is their parents and aunts and uncles and all the people that knew what they were doing should not be able to benefit from this amnesty. >> how do you see it? >> you know, i think it's really important to step back and look at the big picture here and i want to give you just a couple of facts. 40% of the largest companies in america were started by immigrants or children of immigrants. immigrants have a much higher rate of entrepreneurship in
their communities all over the country. these are people that we should be dying to get in this country, you know, one of the reasons that america's historically had a higher growth rate than europe, for example, is that we have been, traditionally, open to immigrants. you know, i have to come clear and say my father is an immigrant that came to this country, started a business, employed many people. it is amazing to me how quickly the business community has come out just made blanket statements saying we have to do this, we have to support these people. you see the u.s. chamber, the business round table executives like mark zuckerberg and jamie diamond, tim cook. i think that's very telling. >> mark, what's your response? >> that's nonsense. i'm sorry. the idea that big business wants more people to loosen the labor market and keep its labor costs down is hardly an argument for more immigration. you know, of course the chamber of commerce agrees with big
labor and with senator durbin and with senator graham. we've seen this movie over and over again where all the important institutions of our society, left and right, are pushing, whether it was under president bush or president obama, for a both an amnesty for all the illegal immigrants who are here and for massive increases in future immigration. immigration really is not a right/left issue. it's an up/down issue and what we've seen is all the important institutions of our society pushing for something that ordinary folks are really quite skeptical about. >> you know, mark, i just have to completely disagree with you. i think you know as well as i do, the economic research and there's a lot of it, says that immigration is a net benefit to the country, both at the high level, engineers coming in, the kind of people that apple wants to hire, but also at the lower end, people who are doing a
variety of jobs, some of which wouldn't be done if there weren't immigrants in the country, others of which would be. our problem, economically in this country, is that we need to train everybody to have a 21st century skill set. that's the problem you will hear when you go to ceos, not there are too many immigrants. but we don't have the skills in this country that we need. and it's just -- it's an absolute myth that look at immigration as our core economic problem. it just absolutely is. >> the point is not that it's a core economic problem. the problem is that mass immigration of a million people a year exacerbates a lot of the other social and economic problems that we have. and immigration is not some economic boon. it creates a small economic surplus as the national academy of sciences showed last year, but that small surplus comes from impoverishing people who are already poor, lowering their wages, and spreading that
benefit to the rest of society. so all of us here on this panel benefit. ordinary people do not. >> let me talk -- hang on. i've got a d.r.e.a.m.er standing by and with all due respect to all of you, it's been good to have this conversation. let me go ahead and bring her in, she came to the u.s. when she was 4 from mexico, a graduate of the university of illinois. she is now the director of national partnerships at the resurrection project, a community group in chicago that helps with daca applications, housing, education programs, etc. thank you so much for being with me, and just listening to people -- i don't know how much tv or how much radio you've been listening to or reading, hearing all these people talk about you and your future and what should and shouldn't be, what's that like? >> wow. well, i mean, obviously, i think everybody wants to be in control of their future. i've always known that i'm not in complete control.
i have always tried to. i went to college, was able to do everything that i could do without daca. i've had daca for five years, and i started to think that now i could make my own future and build my own career. and you know, unfortunately, in november, people voted against me, and now the result is that trump is taking daca away from 800,000 people. >> the fact, though, and gentlemen, you a yes, you are correct that candidate trump said he would do away with this but since they've we've heard him talk about approaching daca with heart, how he loves d.r.e.a.m.ers. what do you make of the president's move today in the wake of the rest-easy promises he's made over the last couple months. >> well, i mean, i think elections have consequences, and this is the consequence. unfortunately, it means that i will no longer have a work permit. i will no longer be protected from deportation, and you know, one thing is to say that we shouldn't be worried and to say
that he loves us and it's a completely different thing to take hope -- our hopes and our dreams and our ability to be able to get a little bit further ahead and just, you know, completely take it away from us and rip it out from underneath us. so that is actually what's happening, even if he has promised not to take it away. >> do you still have hope? i mean, did you hear, you had this republican and democratic senators, both durbin and graham standing there on capitol hill saying, you know, we don't want you, erendira, to fall victim to a broken system. they want to help you. >> absolutely. and i think that is our call to action. all 800,000 of us, plus our friends and family, to make sure that we're hitting the streets, to make sure that we're demanding legislation, that we're demanding something as broad as possible, that we get the d.r.e.a.m. act, that we have legalization for as many individuals as possible. and i think it's up to congress to do that, but it is also up to us to start hitting the streets and start demanding that this
is, you know, that this is what we need and that it is not acceptable to torture and to take, you know, our rights away fromm from 800,000 people. >> what if part of this deal to get -- as a republican sweetener, to say yes to people, you know, good young people like you, is if you agree to build the wall. if you agree to build the wall, then we'll say okay to these 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers. what do you say to that? >> so i think us, as advocates, you know, our bottom line is that what we're fighting for is legalization for as many people as possible. i think it's, you know, it's -- we're not working in times where we think that there isn't going to be anything negative attached to it. we'll never advocate for something negative being attached to it, and you know, we're going to stay firm in what we believe, which is legalization, and hopefully we won't get to that bridge, but
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back on the breaking news isn't the weath in the weather world, hurricane irma continuing to churn in the atlantic, threatening to strike not only the caribbean but potentially parts of the u.s. as well. hurricane irma now the strongest storm to hit the atlantic in a decade, with winds at 185 miles an hour. in fact, the governor of florida already declaring a state of emergency for all 67 counties. people there already stocking up on supplies, as you can tell by empty store shelves, a lot of florida also seeing long lines for gasoline and a mandatory evacuation of the florida keys begins tomorrow. tom sater has been all over this storm in the weather center for us. and so, this thing is huge. >> it is. remember what rockport looked like when harvey was a category 4 at landfall. that was 130 miles per hour, brooke. we're at 185. this thing continues to strengthen, it seems like, every couple hours. i've never seen anything like it except for one storm that devastated the philippines
several years ago. but this eye is well defined. it just looks like a buzz saw. as it makes its way to the northern islands, it's going to knock off communications and power and water sources, could devastate anguila and antig antigua barbuda and puerto rico is under a state of emergency of this model actually carries it up here. that's jose named today. could follow suit. let's hope it becomes a fish storm. national hurricane center track continues to keep it as a catastrophic hurricane. that's a category 4 or 5. these storms, brooke, can only sustain their strength for so long. it's like taking a top and spinning a top on a table. that's centrifugal force and movement starts to wobble. it's going to have to go through a reorganization process but it's going to regain strength. this water here north of cuba into florida is warmer than where it is now. that's jet fuel. sometime saturday it takes a
turn to the north, a right-hand turn, but until that turn happens, we just won't know exactly what's going to happen or where landfall will be. european model in blue, u.s. model, the gfs in red, they are in great agreement and carry the system up, one on the east coast, one on the west coast. this is september 11th and we're looking at what could be like matthew last year, sliding along the coast and barrelling into the carolinas. just on the american model, these are the ensemble models that give us that one but you can see there is some deviation. it would be great to have something come out and move away from the outer banks and the u.s. coastline into the open waters. but that window is shutting extremely fast. in fact, i think we're going to lose it. it's possible it could go into the gulf of mexico, but it all depends on the steering currents and so we're watching the environment when it comes this weekend into monday. here's the timeline of unfortunate devastation, because it just -- it's not just the eye. this is a massive storm that's going to carry some tropical storm and hurricane-force winds
across the bahama islands and cuba. but the one thing that really bothers me, the water is much warmer as you get closer to florida. >> yeah. >> it's going to be a massive undertaking to evacuate everyone that's going to be need to be evacuated over the weekend. >> after harvey, now you have all these nervous floridaens and put down the carolinas. tom sater, keep watching closely for us and you can track irma. just go to cnn.com for that. thank you so much, tom. meantime, let's talk about north korea. a newly, actively detected new activity detected out of north korea involving the possible movement of another intercontinental ballistic missile. plus this new threat from the leader, kim jong un. you're watching cnn.
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another long range missile. just days after testing what it calls a hydrogen bomb small enough to fit on a intercontinental ballistic missile, a south korean lawmaker telling cnn their intelligence has detected movement of a projectile that could be an icbm. a north korean diplomat today called the bomb and missile test, quote, gift packages addressed to none other than the u.s. he was speaking at a u.n. conference on decembisarmament. michael, good to see you, sir. >> thank you. >> so, you know, there's a lot of talk ahead of this september 9th foundation day when typically they do launch missiles, i mean, do you anticipate this happening again? >> well, there's certainly a need for the north koreans to further test the icbm so i would be surprised if they choose september 9th as the day to
launch something. again, othver japan and deep in the pacific ocean. >> what about south korea building up their own arsenal, wants the return of u.s. nukes to the korean peninsula, what are the risks of that? >> well, i think south korea is right to want to enhance its military capabilities, to help deter any north korean aggression. the return of tactical nuclear weapons to the peninsula, i think, is one that's not necessary. the united states has a range of nuclear capabilities. they don't need to be housed and potentially launched from korean territory. we have naval ships in the area. we have intercontinental missiles to achieve those objectives. introducing them to the peninsula will make it that much harder, i think, to convince north korea that at least a freeze in their nuclear program is warranted or, you know, in a more optimistic tone, looking to
denuclearize the peninsula completely. >> we've talked so many -- about so many ways, squeezing north korea and one notion would be oil, right? japan has suggested cutting off oil to north korea. china has slowed the flow of oil over the border but hasn't cut it off completely. my question to you, just on china specifically, what would the motivation for china to ever sign on to something that was ultimately lead to potentially a unified korea. >> well, if you look, chooina's number one concern or their main interest in north korea is to maintain stability in a viable north korea because they don't want south korea on its border. you know, their secondary aim is to prevent war and third, nuclear weapons on the peninsula. so if you look at it in that context, i'm not sure that china can be convinced to kind of relinquish its primary concerns, you know, in favor of the -- those of the international
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just a short time from now, president trump will meet with key members of congress. they're planning to negotiate this plan to rewrite the tax code, but that is just one agenda item in what will be a very, very busy month ahead. congress is still facing a vote to pass billions of dollars in emergency funding for harvey victims, a deadline to reauthorize the flood insurance program, a deadline to raise the debt ceiling, plus the pressure of a looming government shutdown if it can't pass a budget, and, of course, oh, yeah, the ability to pass obamacare repeal, which is 51 votes, goes away at the end of the month as well. another pressing issue on the agenda, what to do about daca. the trump administration announcing today it's scrapping the program that protects young, undocumented youth. the president says he's giving congress six months to find a fix. jake tapper is with me, the anchor of "the lead" and "state of the union." can we talk about that president obama statement? >> very strong. a very emotional argument. it wasn't really one based on
the legal arguments, more focused on -- >> making it personal. >> -- the politics and the personal of it. let me just read one little excerpt. quote, let's be clear. the action taken today isn't required legally. it's a political decision and a moral question. whatever concerns and complaints americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn't threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own. . >> the policies that president trump has clearly made it his mission to roll back, that this is the one that he chooses to speak about. why is that? >> well, it's obviously the one that he did on his own. this was an executive action not taken with congress, so it doesn't really surprise me. and it's one that i think he felt like he needed to do for this group of young people, again, brought to this country
when they were kids. i think the average age, according to one survey, when daca recipients were brought to the u.s., they were six and a half. so as the president has pointed out, a lot of them don't even know another language or another country. >> so we just rattled off a piece of the laundry list of items on the agenda for this congress, starting now that they're back to work today. with everything going on, with the president antagonizing, insulting republicans pre-recess, how is this all supposed to work? >> with daca or with everything? >> all of the above. >> well, i mean, if you talk to congressional leaders, republican congressional leaders, they wish that president trump would work more closely with them and not be attacking them all the time. they're going to need republicans to hang together on some of these tough votes such as raising the debt ceiling, tax reform if they actually get that through the house to get to the senate. they're going to need a lot of help from the white house. daca is just another whole other
thing that the president just threw in their laps. the president is not wrong, by the way, when he notes that setting immigration law is actually supposed to be -- >> congress' job. >> -- what congress does, and congress has not been able to competently do that for decades. i remember immigration reform failing under george w. bush and then under barack obama, et cetera. so he's not wrong about that, but the idea that congress is going to be able to get its act together in six months and do something about these dreamers, that seems rather questionable. >> lastly, we noted off the top that the president is sitting around with these top members of congress now to talk tax reform, potentially, one of whom being the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who he personally insulted a couple weeks ago and they haven't spoken since. what do you think sitting in that room is like today? >> look, as you know, the president can be very charming in person, especially when he wants to turn it on. and i suspect that that is what's going on. the heated conversation he had with mcconnell was a phone call,
and it was mainly, as you know, as manu roju has reported, about russia. he didn't think russia was protecting him in the senate committee. but with everything as far as trump goes, who knows. >> what's coming occupy youp on show? >> we have daca. we have the mayor from texas who wanted daca shut down. we'll also talk about north korea. we'll have james clapper on and then we'll talk about the official who goes on trial for. people in florida being told to prepare now for this category 5 hurricane that is bearing down right now in the caribbean, but
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president trump said he loved the dreamers. what might he have done if he hated them? "the lead" starts right now. the dream is over. protests raging outside the white house and trump tower. the trump administration taking away president obama's temporary protections for close to 800,000 young, undocumented immigrants brought to the country illegally as children. what did president obama have to say about it just minutes ago? it is the strongest hurricane to threaten the u.s. in more than a decade. hurricane irma now a category 5, packing 200-mile-per-hour wind gusts as millions in the u.s. begin to brace for disaster. plus, north korea says the h-bomb it tested was a gift for the united states.
as president trump meets with his national security team, will he try to diffuse or dial it up? welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. all those huge stories ahead, but first i want to go to breaking news in our money lead. stocks taking a crash today. the dow dropping nearly 200 points. september typically the worst month of the year for the stock market. tack on the north korea nuclear threat, the president's tough talk with china on trade, a possible government shutdown, the damage from one monster hurricane and another more powerful one on its way all weighing in when it comes to investors' decisions right now. let's add to that today's breaking news. a major decision today from the white house that could impact the economy and, plus, close to 1 million people in limbo. president trump has ordered the rescinding of daca. that stands for deferred action for childhood arrivals. it's an obama-era executive order