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are. bill wei rcr, yeah. >> reporter: we've been roommates for the past four days. >> please thank captain bamb ba. our coverage continues with don lemon. breaking news and it's a horrific one. eight nursing home patients die in florida in the sweltering heat. the home temporarily shut down now. a criminal investigation is under way. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. the very latest from the ground just ahead. anger and frustration in the keys. people want to go home. they want to go back home but are being turned away by deputies. look at that. so many homes there are damaged or destroyed. millions across florida still without power tonight. and hillary clinton, she had her say with anderson. now it's our turn to discuss, quote, what happened. is she in need of a reality check? plus, the white house calls
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for an african-american female sports caster to be fired for calling the president a white supremacist. i want to begin with the deaths of at least eight nursing home residents. cnn's miguel marquez is live in hollywood, florida, this evening. miguel, good evening to you. what an awful story. you're outside of the rehabilitation center tonight. what exactly happened? >> reporter: look, the story has changed throughout the day as officials dug into this and got better and better clarity of what happened here. the latest version of what they've told us is it's like a house of horrors in that place, it sounds like. at 3:00 a.m. last night, they got a call that someone was in distress, they had a heart attack. emergency services came around, picked him up, took him away. an hour later, 4:00 a.m., another call, this person is
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havingress sper orator problems. shortly there after, another call. they begin to check this place out and realize that it's too hot, that the residents are not being cared for. they find three people deceased upstairs. they come then to find later that another person earlier in the evening had been sent to the morgue. the medical examiner for broward county orders that person returned and discovers that that person died from heat-related causes as well. in all, eight people are dead now. 12 are in critical condition. 158 have been evacuated in total. i mean, the death toll here could rise. it is just shocking. don? >> it is shocking. i've got to read this. let me read the nursing home statement. this was from the home administrator and it reads in part, "while our center did not lose power during the storm, it did lose one transformer that powers the air conditioning unit. the center continued to follow up with florida power and light
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for updates on when repairs would be made. outreach was made to local authorities and first responders." it sounds like a lot of people knew there was a problem at this center but did no one make the connection that help was needed? >> reporter: even the governor said that the agency for health care administration, the agency that manages these sorts of things is responsible for them was in contact with them for three days, knew that they did not have air conditioning, was told that they were using fans and spot air conditioners to keep the place cool but nobody seemed to actually visit the facility. this is a place that has had problems for years in the last 12 months alone they've had 120 calls to emergency services. the fire chief saying simply that's too many. so -- and above all that, it's right next to a level one hospital, memorial hospital which has nothing to do with that center but a perfectly good
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hospital 50 feet away. >> it's stunning. let's put up the map. it's 50 feet away and we had a map of it, i thought, of -- i mean, it's just -- it's unbelievable. >> memorial hospital is not a small hospital. this is a massive campus. it's a level one trauma center. they handle all sorts of stuff. they were right next door. the governor's statement saying that a memorial had lent them the spot air conditioners but it seems that nobody at memorial knew what was going on as well. when they discovered it, they treated it as a mass casualty operation and rushed dozens of their own people over there in order to bring all of the elderly people in the center out. it's just an unbelievable story. >> it's awful. miguel, thank you so much. i appreciate that. i should also say that governor scott is demanding answers tonight and the state is temporarily shut down the rehabilitation center in hollywood hills until a further
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investigation is done also, in addition, there's a criminal investigation as well. joining me on the phone is a daughter of a resident at the nursing home. ellie, i know your mom is in the hospital tonight. how's she doing? >> she's doing good. she had some respiratory problems but she's finally doing good and i spoke to her and she's in good spirits. >> reporter: ellie, can you -- >> go ahead. >> can you please describe the conditions when you were visiting your mom, how hot it was? >> i was visiting my mom for a few hours every day so she could have my company and before the hurricane, everything works fine, the air conditioner was working well. they were being well treated, as always. during the hurricane, i went the next day and i started feeling that the air was not working
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properly. i asked if they had electricity and they told me that they were working on generators. i went upstairs, especially yesterday, i went upstairs and it was very hot upstairs, also. i saw the nurses trying to help the patients. they had them -- most of them in the hall outside the rooms and they had air conditioner units, but the portable ones. they also had fans and they were trying to get them all together so they were able to breathe. i can tell you this. i personally called florida power & light and i have a ticket number 4301, where i several times reported to them the problem in this facility, that they needed help and
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they -- this is a medical place and they needed -- they needed priori priority above everybody else. >> who did you report that to again, ellie? >> i reported it to florida power & light. >> and what was their response? >> their response was nothing. we'll take care of it. we have orders. we'll be there. and i kept telling them, especially yesterday, that this is a life and death matter. they're in bad condition over there. you need to get over there. i mentioned i saw like four or five trucks south of here. get one of them to go ahead and do something for them until you can get completely to them. they need air condition. they are elderly people. >> let me read what florida power & light said in a statement. "what we know now is that a portion of the facility did in fact have power, that there was
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a hospital with power across the parking lot from this facility and that the nursing home was required to have a permanently installed operational generator. as we emphasized before and during and after hurricane irma, we urge our customers who have electricity dependent needs and don't have power to call 911 if it's a life threatening situation. " so did you call 911? >> i did call 911. they said they would take care of it. i went ahead and called again florida power & light and i got the same thing, like they were reading a script. i said, you need to get over there. it's a life and death matter. >> were members of the staff -- >> if they would have gone yesterday, this wouldn't have happened. this was a crime committed by florida power & light and the officials of broward county are to blame, too, because if they
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say they had violations, they had no violations, and nothing to do with what is going on right now. nothing to do. if they had violations, they should have been closed a long time ago. i go there every day and i don't see anything wrong. that's the problem here. these people are dead, unfortunately, because of the neglect of not showing up, florida power & light, when they were supposed to be at that time. >> and ellie, again, i asked you in the beginning but i caught you off, there was a bit of a delay, sorry. so your mom is doing okay, right? >> she's doing okay, thank god. and i just -- you know, i'm glad that i've been able to talk to you guys and so the people out there know the truth of what's going on in there. >> all right, ellie. >> it's not the nursing home. it's the official of florida power & light that made the priority better for other people and not for these people.
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they have a hospital next to them. they had lights. the other people had lights. but if the facility and other family members report this problem several times, now everybody -- >> there's a lot of questions. >> they have excuses for what happened. >> there's a lot of questions when it comes to this but we appreciate you joining us. >> i hope so, too. it could happen to me and you again. >> ellie, thank you. >> or our family. >> report back to us how your mom is doing. >> have a great day. >> thank you. i want to bring in cnn's ed lavandera who is in naples, florida, tonight. my goodness. what an awful story. ed, this goes to speak to what people are dealing with right now. this is an extreme circumstance,
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but still among the circumstances that people have been dealing with. >> reporter: it doesn't appear that the rehab center was considered a top tier facility. however, the facility across the street was a top teier facility. back in march with broward county officials, ahead of storm season, to lay out the top tier facilities. essentially, that is what determines what power gets turned on first, what is on the high-priority list after the storm and the repair process begins but it doesn't appear that that rehab center was on that top tier list. >> so statewide, how much power has been restored tonight in florida? >> reporter: well, you know, it's slowly trickling down. 3.1 million customers still
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without power. that was at the peak of all of this, there was 15 million people across the state who had lost power, according to the department of homeland security. but just to put all of this in perspective, almost 30% of the entire state is still without power and it really is debilitating, don. it just paralyzes what people can do, getting their lives back together, schools opens and that sort of thing. it's paralyzing. >> ed lavandera in naples for us, thank you. islands in caribbean decimated. cnn is on the ground there tonight. plus, hillary clinton is not hiding in defeat. she's coming out swinging tonight and we're going to break it all down for you. [notification tone] ♪ i love your vest. your crocheted purses have wonderful eyes. ♪ in the modern world,
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a top british official calls irma's devastation in the caribbean a nuclear landscape. most of the islands destroyed are without power and dwindling food and water. sara sidner is on st. croix. >> reporter: don, what we saw on st. john's, utter destruction. in st. croix, everything is pretty much the same. it's pristine. a little bit of wind damage. 35 miles away on st. john, a completely different story. on st. john, the smallest of the three major islands, an arguably most ruggedly beautiful hurricane irma swept away life as we few it.
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>> there's nothing left. >> reporter: nearly 30 square miles of island wiped out. >> i was in our shelter hurricane called hurricane hole. it was about, i would guess, about 200 boats out there in all. >> reporter: you were on a boat? >> yeah. >> reporter: how did you survive in a boat? >> i was lucky. a lot of the boats sunk. >> reporter: it took life here as well. the suffering endless. most of the inhabitance on this island lost everything they have. most have no means to rebuild without a her cuely general effort. >> reporter: no nothing has been touched here. help is on the way but it's taken far too long. nearly for a week for it to arrive. >> it's all going down, man. >> reporter: but relief is only trickling in here instead of flooding in. the reason for that is two-fold. communication is nearly
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impossible here and security is precarious. crime has shot up, residents say, a dangerous desperation has emerged as human beings try to get their needs met by any means necessary. a few miles away on another island, more tragedy. >> it's hard to get food, water, gas. it took us three hours just to get ice. the mosquitos and i'm worried about diseases. i don't know if i can do it. >> reporter: in sabt. thomas, t stunning landscape that attracts tourists around the country, the sheer force of sustained winds at tornadic speeds turned this island inside out in spots. there's a telltale sign that the eye wall of the category 4 or 5 has hit and it's this. there are no leaves on the trees. with wind speeds up to 185 miles an hour, the hurricane has
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stripped every branch on this island bare. from st. john to st. thomas, there is no end to the destruction. right now, in much of the caribbean, life is anything but pa paradise. we're back on st. croix because there's a curfew on st. john. they want people to leave that island before nightfall and that was partly because there was a serious security problem. people felt very in danger because there was looting going on. that, we're told by those who live there, has subsided quite a bit because the police are now patrolling the area quite heavily but for a while there, it was pretty hairy. also should mention, communications are terrible still having a very difficult time not just us but the entire island trying to get communication to other people on a daily basis. don? >> sara sidner, st. croix, thank you very much into when we come back, one woman's story of survival on st. thomas. she'll join us live about the horrifying conditions that she's
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tonight on the islands decimated by irma. they are concerned about dwindling food and water supplies. connie, so glad you could join us this evening. you moved to st. thomas, as i understand it, from florida a year ago to live in paradise. this past week has been anything but that. why did you decide to stay so far? >> well, i work for a dentist and i' that's been on the island for 40 years and, you know, basically, we're trying to -- we just reopened today for a couple hours just to see emergencies. i don't know what's going to happen within the next two weeks. i probably will be leaving but right now it's just -- there's so much need here, desperate need for supplies and, you know, we hear of the 6, 700 troops on
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the ground, fema's here but, you know, we haven't seen any of that. and the desperation of these people are causing, you know -- people are held up at gunpoint, you know, when they're stopping and, you know, these people are fearing for their lives and i understand the -- you know, how desperate they are but, you know, we fear for our life every day. >> i understand, connie, that your landlord brought you a gun, a machete and a can to protect yourself? >> absolutely. i have that. i sure do. it's right by it, in the bed with me. absolutely. because you just -- you can't take -- you know, the curfew starts at 6:00 p.m. and goes to 12:00 noon. so when 12 no:00 noon comes, th
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island is only 32 miles -- you know, 32 miles square and you have 60,000 cars out at 12:00 noon. there's no one patrolling traffic. people are getting very, you know, impatient. you stand in hour for gas. actually, i was in line yesterday for a bag of ice and i waited and waited and when i got up there, the ice had -- they said it was gone and these people were just really -- they had to take some -- they did have patrol guys up there where you were buying the ice but these people are threatening your life, you know, and they found several people with, you know -- armed, you know, and they had knives on them and things. it's just not safe. >> i understand as well that, you know, getting ice and getting water is also terrible.
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and you said that fema isn't getting to you and you paid $20 for -- for that bag of ice you waited in line for was 20 bucks? >> i didn't wait in line. i was leaving the line because we were told to leave and a gentleman had two bags and i asked him, i said, can i buy a bag of ice from you and he said $20 and i took it and i'm -- you know, it was worth every penny, you know, just to try to cool things down that he wants to try to keep but that's not going to happen, you know, after tomorrow. >> what do you want people to know, connie, about your suffering and what you're dealing with there? >> i just want people to know that, you know, we're u.s. territory and we need help. and if we have that many troops on the ground, they really need to be focused ongoing on these outer parts, like up in the
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mountain area where they're distributing the food, water or ice. what i've heard, these are local people that live right in that area and they can walk to this place. but by the time you get in the car and you drive, you know, my job is maybe a ten-minute drive but it's like an hour and 45 minutes to get there. no one is directing traffic. you're at your own risk when you leave in a vehicle from here. and i just -- i just want everybody to know that we really need the help. i don't know what it's going to take. it's hearsay when we heard about the troops and fema here. i have not seen any sign. i have seen maybe a dozen military people. i think they might be from puerto rico in vehicles but all i've seen is they were driving. >> connie, we hope that people are watching and the government is watching and anyone that can help is watching as well and you
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guys can get some relief and some help. thank you so much. you take care of yourself. >> thanks, don. have a good night. >> you, too. when we come back, breaking news tonight that you want to watch. it's on president trump's meeting with democratic leaders, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. here's a question. could he now side with democrats on key issues instead of his own party? that's next. dental professionals recommend using an electric toothbrush. for an exceptionally fresh feeling choose philips sonicare diamondclean. hear the difference versus oral b. in a recently published clinical study, philips sonicare diamondclean outperforms oral-b 7000, removing up to 82% more plaque and improving gum health up to 70% more. its sonic technology cleaning deep between teeth. from the most recommended sonic toothbrush brand by dental professionals. switch to philips sonicare today. philips sonicare. save when you buy now.
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party? so tonight the president dined at the white house not with republicans but with democratic leaders nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and the democrats say they made an agreement with him to work on the two most couldnntroversial immigration issues, daca and the border wall. press secretary sarah huckabee sanders is disputing that account tonight. what happened at this dinner? i want to bring in cnn analyst david gergen and political commentator david axelrod. good evening. this is going to be a fascinating conversation. david axelrod, you first. we have this breaking news tonight after president trump's dinner with the democratic leaders. those leaders put out a statement tonight and i want to
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read them, as much of it as we can read. we had a very productive meeting at the white house with the president. the discussion focused on daca. we agreed to enshrine the protections of daca into law quickly and to work out a package of border security excluding the wall that's acceptable to both sides." and that's chuck schumer. what do you think of this, the president -- they agreed to enshrine daca outside of the wall? >> what i think is that a lot of people in washington are going to be walking around with neck braces tomorrow from whiplash because things have changed so dramatically, so quickly. but look, let's understand something about donald trump. he can be a demagogue but he's not really an ideologue. there are not many things that he seems to have deep convictions about. the thing he has a deep conviction about is his image as a deal maker, as a guy who gets
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stuff done. and for the last seven months, he's gone down that partisan road and he hasn't gotten anything done and now he apparently has made the decision that by making these bipartisan deals he can get things done. the real question is, how do the republicans react to this and how exactly how quickly will the republican leadership put whatever deal was consummated if indeed there was one on the floor of the congress. >> yeah. i wonder what republicans are doing, to be a fly on paul ryan's wall right now would be interesting. so listen, by the way, that statement i read was a joint statement by chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. david gergen, before i read the white house statement, what do you make of this? >> well, i'm hesitating on it. one, is it good for the country? and i would have to say to you, don, i think this deal, like the earlier deal they got, is good for the country. i work with dreamers. i think they ought to be here, that daca was a good idea and
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getting rid of the wall is a good idea. having said that, and when you look at the politics of it, it's a very different sort of equation because i think there are going to be a lot of republicans that look at this and say this guy may cut a deal but he gets rolled in the deal. i mean, he gave up the wall and daca and what did he get back in return? we don't know yet but i can't tell you if it's going to be very much. it's going to be more enforcement. it's not a big deal. on the deal itself, he got rolled and i think there's going to be a lot of conservatives reacting very an ggrily. david axelrod can speak to that very well. i don't think this is going to change their opinion of him. and i think he can really have trouble governing on a big issue like tax reform that's just around the corner. >> and i think you're right, you have to see if it's real or not or put into practice. listen, if it is, this is indeed bipartisanship and this is what
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people all over the country have been hoping for for so long. hears the press secretary sarah huckabee sanders statement pushing back against the idea that they excluded the wall. "while daca and border security were both discussed, excluding the wall certainly was not agreed to." >> they may have agreed on general language of including additional money for border security without specifying how that border security money would be used. in other words, there would be no specific allocation for the wall but there would be some discretion on the part of the administration about how they used that money. but i can't stress enough -- first of all, i agree with david gergen. if this is in fact true, i think it's a great thing for the country. but i have to say, i listened to steve bannon the other night talk about how this could be the thing that triggers a civil war within the republican party.
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and i'm wondering what he and some of those in his faction of the republican party are thinking tonight about this report and one thing we've learned about donald trump is that nothing's final until it's final. >> right. >> this is a trial balloon that the democrats launched if in fact the blow back is intense, he could very well walk away from whatever was said tonight tomorrow. >> and to say anything is a trend with this president would be naive. let's hope that there's some sort of bipartisan consensus and that would be great and, if so, he should get credit for it. >> absolutely. >> but maybe, david gergen, someone has gotten to him and he realizes there's more officfert ground other than that small number or the minority number of people who are his strongest supporters. my question, though, is, is he going to side with pelosi and
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schumer over his own attorney general sessions? >> he's obviously sided with them already on the question of the debt. i have a hard time believing that chuck schumer and nancy pelosi issued a statement that wasn't very close to the truth. i just don't think it was in their interest to put out a statement that mischaracter rised the statement. i think it's likely that this statement that they put out is true. now, if david axelrod has a good point about whether in fact the president wants to have discretion on how he uses his money, we'll have to wait and see those details. but i think overall this is a second major from the point of view for the conservatives, the second major victory for the democrats and i do think it's going to cause -- i'm not sure if civil war is the right word but enormous friction in the republican party and if republicans don't feel that they have a reliable friend in the white house after the republican party just won the control of the white house and the congress
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and increasingly the courts, you know, that's going to be -- it's going to cause an enormous upheaval in the sense that you can't trust the guy and trust still remains very important to politics to governing. >> i've got to run, david. sorry. >> don, i'm sorry. >> that's okay. david and david, thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. one thing that hillary clinton and donald trump agree on. that's next. to let chronic dry eye symptoms get in the way. to learn more about chronic dry eye symptoms, chat with your eye doctor and go to it's all about eyelove, my friends. feeling the love? are your eyes dry, itchy and gritty? blurry vision at times? grab some face time with your eye doctor and show your eyes some eyelove.
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for fast 5-in-1 multi-symptom relief. breakthrough allergies with allegra®. we've got breaking news tonight as the question is has the president made a deal with democrats on daca and the border wall. i want to discuss this with michael isikoff and political analyst april ryan and political commentator matt lewis. it's an alternative universe if this is indeed true. matt, what do you make of this story and the different reads we're getting from democrats and then from the white house tonight? >> i think there's a deal made. i think that the distinction is donald trump hasn't given up on the border wall. it's just not part of this specific deal. this is so interesting. it's like only nixon goes to china. if marco rubio or paul ryan tried to cut a deal with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi for
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dreamers, they would be pillaried but i think that donald trump, that he's so tough on the border, said horrible thing about immigrants, he gets away with this compassionate deal with democrats so i think that's part of it. if you look at the polling, the interesting thing is, even among trump supporters, trump voters, this -- you're doing something to protect these dreamers, whether it's citizenship or just not deporting them. that polls about 70% even among trump supporters. so in a sense, it's a no-brainer. >> does it among the hard core supporters that you hear out there screaming build that wall and isn't this exactly what the never trumpers and the people who were telling the trump voters or republicans that donald trump is not a real republican, he's not a real conservative, he doesn't really believe in anything except for what will get him elected and what will make him win?
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>> he's not a real republican and he's a democrat converted to a republican. i don't know if you call him dem-pub but i go back to what sarah huckabee sanders said today in the briefing. she was asked over and over again who was the president representing in this meeting with the dems tonight and he said -- sarah huckabee sanders said the american people. she didn't say it was about the republicans. it was about the american people. so, and also, i find it interesting that the president is very upset with his own party and own party leadership, he'll reach out to democrats. so we'll see how the tide turns and how the president feels and when the wind changes and how he feels then. so right now it's very historic for -- a historic moment for this president. >> the joint statement that we have here, michael, is coming from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. >> right. >> if this is indeed the case, this is great. it's bipartisanship. the president should get credit, nancy pelosi, chuck schumer
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should get credit. but sarah huckabee sanders is pushing back. >> i think maybe pelosi and schumer are trying to roll the president by putting out this statement of what their version of the deal is. >> makes too much sense? >> the fact is even having this discussion, you have to wonder how this is going to sit with not just his base but the people working for him. steve miller, a hardcore on immigration, attorney general sessions, a hardcore on immigration. the idea that their president is going to cut deals with schumer and pelosi to protect the dreamers and leave out the border wall, which was central to his -- which was perhaps his single, central message is pretty astonishing and if -- if it's true, you know, it says a
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lot about trump's willingness to abandon his core message with -- during his campaign. >> so listen, this is from schumer -- this is his spokesperson tweeting tonight. the "the president made clear he would continue pushing the wall, just not as part of this agreement." >> yeah. so that -- that's plausible, but, you know, to reach this agreement without funding for the wall is not going to sit well with the base and with people like miller inside the white house. >> so -- >> but don -- >> go ahead. >> on the wall issue, you have to remember, this is not the time for the wall. particularly as you're looking at what's happening with hurricane harvey and irma. how are you going to talk about the wall right now when you're dealing with people who are affected in texas alone, you have a large population of hispanic community there. you talk about building a wall and this is not the time and i
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believe this president understands, you know, this is his key piece that he wanted to push forward and with money as well. >> when have you known this particular administration to be politically correct? as a matter of fact, they fight against political correctness. matt, i've got to ask you -- >> they do. but they are watching the numbers. they are watching their base. they are watching the numbers and he understands keenly. >> that's a very good point. >> just like his meeting with tim scott, he is listening. he's got to shift a bit to understand what people are -- the vast majority who disapprove and those who are shifting away from his core base, that he's got to change a little bit. >> but that's a very good point. that's a very good point. but listen -- and i made that point to david gergen. the ground is more officer tile with the people he hasn't been reaching, matt lewis, but that base, the people who really support him and come out to all
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of the rallies, that will absolutely go to the polls for him, how is it going to sit with them? >> well, i think that we're seeing people like ann coulter, a big supporter of donald trump, i think she tweeted at one point that she doesn't care if he performs abortions in the white house as long as he deports all of the immigrants. i'm paraphrasing, of course. but people like people who are sort of single issue immigration restrictionests will not be happy with this. that is a very small contingent, i would say. donald trump also said i can stand on 5th avenue and shoot somebody. >> in the middle he said. >> and my supporters would stick with me. i think that donald trump is so beloved right now. he is the only game in town if this is your issue. i think he has a lot more leeway
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with his base than we think. >> what have we talked about when it concerns that. hillary clinton today giving lots of interviews, talking about what happened. but we're going to find out. i have to ask, is she in need of a reality check? is everything she is saying true? we will show you the tweet and discuss this coming up right after this. with one phone call, i get products that suit my needs and i get back to business. ♪ been trying to prepare for this day... and i'm still not ready. the reason i'm telling you this is that there will be moments in your life that... you'll never be ready for. your little girl getting married being one of them. ♪ ♪
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my colleague anderson cooper is sitting down with hillary clinton discussing the consequences of her loss. president trump came out of the meeting with democrats and started tweeting about it immediately. back now with my panel. so here is what the president is tweeting, michael. crooked hillary clinton blames everybody and everything and herself for her election loss. she lost the debate and lost her
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direction. >> i don't think she lost the debates. most people think she won the debates. there is some truth in what the president is saying there. she is blaming a lot of other people principally fbi director comey for her loss. while she is taking some responsibility for her own mistakes, i don't think people think she is taking full responsibility for them and don't really think the way she is sounding now that her admissions of her own mistakes are all that sincere. so playing to her base in these interviews as donald trump plays to his base. i'm not sure she is persuading a lot of people who weren't already convinced. >> it's interesting sitting there having lived through it and covered both campaigns and then just watching these interviews.
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i looked up at the interview and there were i could point to probably three or four interviews that i did at trump tower that looked very similar, soft lighting and the setting and 50 or more probably from other networks. hillary clinton didn't do that during the election. donald trump would call them up and say can you do an interview and he would say, yes. hillary clinton didn't do that during the election. he flooded the zone. she picked and chose who she wanted to do an interview with and didn't think you were substantial enough figure or did not want to-do it she wouldn't do it. that is her fault. that's not the media's fault. >> absolutely. i think that is a microcosm of the problem that she had in this campaign is like when a football team is up by a couple of touchdowns they start planning prevent defense which usually prevents them from winning. you try to protect the lead and
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you play very conservatively and you play it safe and i think that's basically what she tried to do. she thought she was probably going to win. she didn't take any chances. this might factor into her personality, as well. of course, donald trump was out there sort of gripping and -- >> donald trump was on fox. donald trump was on nbc. donald trump was on msnbc. donald trump was on abc. donald trump was on cbs. donald trump was on every single person who pretty much asked for an interview. and fought back when there were huge accusations against him. i have to give credit where credit is due. i'm sure initially he didn't want to do an interview with me because my last interview with him was on the night that bin laden was killed. we had a huge back and forth about the birther issue. i spoke with him. we talked about it and there i was doing interviews with him.
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hillary clinton never, ever did that. she was too safe. she didn't hit back at him as much as she could have during the debates. that's her fault. that's not anybody else's fault but hers. april? >> wow. >> it's the truth. >> i didn't get -- i didn't get an interview with donald trump. i asked and i continued to ask and i haven't gotten one yet. you are wrong on that piece. >> not exactly but go on. i take your point. >> let me say this. hillary clinton, i'm not going to say she played it safe. i will say she played it the way it had been played before. donald trump came in like a bull in a china shot and took it over. he changed the game. you know, she and other people kept saying he is not going to win but he won. and it was not expected. she played the game the way it used to be played. she played the game the way it
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used to be played and not only that, james comey changed the game, too. >> absolutely. >> don't get me wrong. she has some very legitimate gripes and concerns. she should be able to tell her story. the fbi, the james comey piece and all of that. still, she didn't read her opponent and her folks didn't read it, as well, and the situation. why can't you say i did not run a good campaign. >> political machines, successful political machines looked at this new i don't know what you want to call them, this new candidate, this maverick. this novice who didn't have government experience coming in and he was stumbling and bumbling and talking about people, talking about size and how it mattered. and making a mockery of people in


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