tv CNN Newsroom With John Berman and Poppy Harlow CNN September 15, 2017 6:00am-7:00am PDT
all right, well, i would just say reconsider the not charging him $8, because it sounds like you will have a full day of landscaping on your hands. but fx, great work, best of luck to you. we can't wait to talk to you again. thank you so much for being with us on cnn. >> you, too. >> time for cnn "newsroom" with poppy harlow and john berman now. the breaking news, a terror attack in london. an improvised explosive device set off on a london commuter train during the heart of rush hour. we have new video taken moments after the blast showing what is left of an apparent bucket bomb. >> witnesses tell us this morning they heard an explosion and what followed was panic and screaming and a scramble to escape the nation. this morning 22 people in the hospital and hundreds of police are on the hunt for the suspect.
let's go trastraight to our sen cnn correspondent. i know it's early hours and the investigation is just getting under way, but what do we know at this point? >> reporter: good morning. we understand from british security sources more details about the device, and the assumptions, and as they understand it there was a timer as part of the device and that allows them to extrapolate and this was intended to cause much more damage, poppy. it's unthinkable, really. you have an injury toll of 22, and that's almost miraculous that's the limit. and that's because this device went off as the doors were opening at the station. it was just an absolutely fortunate coincidence they were not locked in as this device went off. we have been showing our viewers the device. it's a bucket bomb. it's incredibly, incredibly
crude, but the intent behind it is what is concerning authorities as they sit around the table at the emergency meeting, a session of cobra led by the prime minister. and we have already seen the metropolitan police force respond with force to president trump's tweets calling him unhelpful speculation, saying this was somebody known to the authorities. they believe last time they were on a hunt the u.s. administration was incredibly unhelpful, and really, they say, had an impact on their broader investigation. the last thing they want to see is this to happen again here, especially where perhaps the execution was not extensive, but the ambition was, we understand, poppy and john. >> thank you so much. as she just said, president
trump responded with a statement, and this is what he wrote, another attack by loser terrorists and these are sick people who are in the sights of scotland yard. must be proactive. they point out they don't know who was behind the attack so it's too soon to say whether or not he or she was in the sights of scotland yard. and joining us is the commentator on security. he gets out ahead of what the known facts are and when you have the london police saying this is unhelpful from britain's greatest ally, what is the point of doing it? >> the president should not have offered an opinion this early and he should have offered condolences and to help. the level of sophistication of the bomb itself and the fact it was not a suicide bomber means that there's just as good a
chance they didn't know who this person was and with a was not on their radar. >> the first thing, of course, i thought, was my husband taking the subway in new york this morning to work or all of us in new york who take the subway because there is a huge city, just like new york city. it could happen anywhere. if the shoe were on the other foot and theresa may said something like this, what would it be like? >> you won't find teresa may saying something like this. >> yes. >> it's unhelpful to the investigators. it's a bit of a pushback. we have a close relationship with the intelligence services between great britain and the united states, and one of the closest in the world, and it's one of the countries where we have an exceptional working
relationship, and to say that is a bit of a condemnation of the united states as well, because we trade information regularly. it's not helpful to call into question they knew who they were and didn't do anything about it. i used to be an fbi agent, and i can only imagine >> we will stay on this and bring you any updates. mr. chairman, stick around because we have more to ask you in just a moment. exactly, north korea, let's turn to that. there's growing outrage this morning after north korea launched yet another missile. this is the second time in 17 days north korea has set off a missile and set off sirens to below. >> and then the sanctions
happened on september 3rd, and south korea test fired two missiles while the north korean missile was still in the air and one of those launches still failed. will ripley following all the developments from tokyo. what are you learning? >> reporter: it's like déjà vu. we left and the nuclear test happened yesterday and we left yesterday and the missile launch happened from the airport we flew out of. there was a commercial flight that took off after the north korean launch. the fact they launched it from their capital shows they are increasingly confident, and the missile they unveiled this year and since have flown twice over japan and brought it into the pacific. the distance it flew was significant. 2,300 miles. the furthest a north korea missile has ever gone. they launched it to the
northeast, and had they launched it south it would have put it down by the u.s. territory of guam, and they have made many threats against guam. it's sending a message to the u.s. that they have the capability if they want to send their missile towards 164,000 u.s. citizens. you mentioned the sirens scaring people, and going off in hokkaido. this is the first time since world war ii that japanese schoolchildren are growing up hearing the sound of air-raid sirens, and this is a country still scarred by hiroshima. north korea also saying in their state media they refuse to back
down to sanctions. they said the latest round of sanctions will cause them to further test the nuclear warheads that could legitimately threaten the united states. months away from having a intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the united states. as the u.n. security council meeting gets under way in a matter of hours, and many are wondering what they could do at this point to prevent north korea from behaving in this way. >> this comes days after nikki haley said this was the toughest sanctions imposed, and will ripley, thank you so much. we are looking forward, of course, to your special inside north korea. and the commentator visited the
region a few weeks ago. and chairman, to you first, big picture here. you got clearly an acceleration of the nuclear program this year and you also have six years in his term kim jong-un has fired off more missiles and conducted more test than his grandfather and father combined. >> yeah, and here's the problem. there's just not a lot of great options left. there's a little wiggle room on the back end of it. the oil that china helps with north korea is one of the last bass chuns and holdouts, and the other piece is the russian cash for north korean labor is big. that's the last sanction bit of holdout. the options, there's four. decapitation. both the united states has announced they would be interested in that, and that
means they would go and take out kim jong-un and his team, and then taking out the launch and research, and a full scale invasion over the border is the other one that is talked about a lot, and lastly it's a combination of diplomacy to get them to talk. what you are seeing now is all of the reaction and sabre rattling by both sides is designed to get kim jong-un to the table to have real discussions. >> it seems to me that everything the united nations and the rest of the civilized society to stop kim jong-un keeps saying, it's not working. i will keep doing this no matter what. is he driving this story or is the rest of the world? >> i think if you look at it, the statistics you mentioned there, kim jong-un is definitely
on track to accomplish his goal which is a nuclear ibcm and the capabilities that come with that. we are not looking at single events anymore, and we are looking at a program, and we have gone from years in terms of intervals to months and weeks and now literally days. so the idea that the different measures and sanctions and other routes through the u.n. security council or individual countries, i think right now to be very objective, and this is rather an inconvenient fact, it may be too little too late. >> gentlemen, to the four options you outlined, right, the only realistic diplomatic one is to completely cut off the oil, right, and to somehow convince russia not to use their cash to hire all of these workers and to send shipments. that was the front page of the "washington post" this week, that russia continues to do this and fund this. russia and china were successful
at the united nations in not getting the sanctions to be as tough as nikki haley and the united states wanted them to be. is that really an option because they have veto power? >> it's difficult. we always think in diplomacy we have to get what we want. what you have to start with in north korea if we really want to solve this is what do we all agree we don't want? russia and china do not want an armed conflict in north korea. we know that. they don't want that and we don't want that, and that's a good place to start. china does not want a nuclear north korea. why? because that would proliferate nuclear weapons across the region. despite what the prime minister abe of japan said, they would not put a nuclear weapon up, and give it time they will get nuclear weapons and so will other regions in the nation. if we start there and try to unwind there, we think maybe, folks that look at this, including me, you can put enough pressure on china and russia to
agree on what we don't want to happen, and saying this is what we want, a unified north korea, and it's not going to happen. >> and it might be too little too late because a lot of these things that we don't want already seem to be in place, or virtually in place at this point, professor. what do you do about that? >> well, this is the part that we are all kind of going back to the drawing board. if you look at the measures in place, sanctions have primarily been the way to engage this regime. it has expressed no interests in any type of negotiations over this time that it has been doing this. the fact the companies have migrated into the chinese marketplace and doing their procurement there and have funds from an earlier trade, and you are looking at a self contained phenomenon where they are
finding new ways to do precurement outside of the reach of sanctions. the north koreans are adapting and learning and the gap is widening, and that's also very troubling. >> all right, thank you so much for being with us. appreciate it. be sure to see mike rogers' series, "declassified," and it airs tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern. only on cnn. we have a lot ahead for us this hour. qu quadrupling down, i guess, you could call it. he doubles down that there were, quote, bad dudes on both sides in the violence in charlottesville. perhaps a daca deal without a wall? and this. >> i don't think people really understand the level of devastation we have had.
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this morning the president is holding a conference call, and this year four prominent rabbis are boycotting it after the president said both sides were responsible for violence in charlottesville. >> good morning, john. the president has a lot on his plate but instead of focusing on things like immigration and things like tax reform he has reignited this controversy over the violence and the tragedy that unfolded in charlottesville, once again talking about violence on both sides. listen to what he said.
>> i think especially in light of the advent of antifa, if you look at what is going on there, you have pretty bad dudes on the other side, also. a lot of people have written, gee, trump might have a point. >> there has been plenty of sharp criticism for the president about the way he spoke about charlottesville in the past, and as well his latest comments, and a cnn host labels the president a white supremacist today. trump is on a tear on twitter and among his targets, he tweeted about espn. espn is paying a price of its bad politics and bad programming. >> before you go, we are getting a lot more color about the relationship between the attorney general, jeff sessions, and the president and his near resignation or firing, or what
have you not long ago, and now messages of support from president trump according to new reporting? >> this is a crucial relationship for any presidency and it has been a very awkward one under president trump. we know he and sessions have been blowups, and there was a "new york times" report that took us inside some of the details that took us to the moment where president trump called sessions an idiot, and he was frustrated about mueller being named as special counsel. our colleagues are hearing in the wake of these latest stories the president did reach out to jeff sessions and sort of extended an olive branch saying i am not paying attention to these stories, we're fine. >> thank you very much for the reporting. we're going to dig into it all morning with our cnn political analysts. thank you very much. a lot of messages from the president this morning, air
kwroel, and he said chain migration cannot be allowed to be part of any immigration legislation. it's that. it's the espn tweet and tweeting about the travel ban this morning saying it should be much broader and more specific, and kind of contradicting himself but can't be because that's too politically correct and the london tweets about the attack infuriating scotland yard. is that to say to his base, i'm here? >> this is what you get when you bring in somebody, remember from the campaign, we don't want any insiders but we want an outsider who has a fresh approach. boring words like policy mean a lot of different people like to put different ideas together and make them coherent so when you look at the white house and administration, you can say here's where we are going in the
administration? chain migration, i think, we don't have an ordinarily conversation about this coming from the white house, but i think what he might mean is what many think is the original sin so that family reunification was a core and highly-placed value that enables you if you are a new american to go and get your family members and they come here faster than they would have otherwise. for the president to say he wants to do away with that, that's going to take a long process skprbg that process, and that's how you have an ordinarily process. >> that is if he means it to be that specific. alex, it does seem to me if you look at the overall pattern here talking about immigration in that way, and talking about the travel ban, albeit in vague terms, and criticizing the media and talking about espn, and he is sending this messages out but
not focusing on what is the most c contentious matter to his base, which is immigration and daca. >> he's really playing the greatest hits here. i think that's the way to look at sort of his choice of topics. it's not an accident that this is happening when he feels like he's under fire from the breitbart section of his base. there are other parts of his base less upset about what he's doing on immigration, and it's not an accident that he is going there and over and over on the same day like this when his own party more broady is expressing a discomfort and unease about how he's handling the negotiations with the democrats. >> if you look at the last 24 hours and the sound that was just played of the president once again pointing to both sides in charlottesville, to john's point, doesn't that do the exact same thing?
>> well, it certainly extends an olive branch to a portion of his base that was upset that he changed his point of view, and it's just pure donald trump. he likes to, if you want to call it, jam, and rif a little bit with reporters or anybody else. >> the same day he syigned a resolution from congress. >> yeah, and that is just srepb teupblg donald trump. he wants to be proven right and wants to let it known he was not pushed into anything by congress or anything else. he will not hold his tongue. it's a gift for reporters and could be confusing for everybody else. >> what point on the both sides of charlottesville does it complicate the negotiations with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi? >> no question about it. i have spoken to a number of
democrats this week that say basically they think the party, elected officials and folks in the democratic base are going to watch this play out for a little while because the daca issue is so urgent. 800,000 people futures in this country are at stake, and schumer has been getting wins on his terms, right? i don't think there's any appetite in the democratic base for a rose garden press conference with chuck schumer, and i don't think playing footsie with the president, it's not there. >> he's the oldest president we ever had. we don't think of him that way because he's young and vibrant and new, and on the other hand he has a long history on many issues as well as his management style, and his epices, if you want to call it that.
this is not somebody coming to this fresh. he's not learning on the job. that's for sure. he, himself, will be the first to tell you that. >> chuck schumer, no spring chicken himself, watching this decades old situation play out in front of us. and then it was like a bomb went off, and it's one week after irma. >> 200 miles east of st. john, a decimated island of barbuda, and if you can believe it, not a single person is living on barbuda after the storm, and this man, a hollywood legend wants to change that. he sits down with us exclusively and our interview is ahead. >> how do you get people continue to care? >> you have to have the people who are -- you have to keep -- it's not easy. i don't even know with myself what i'm going to be asked to do and do to help, but i will be
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this morning millions of people still without power after hurricane irma. later this hour, governor scott will meet with officials in the florida keys to discuss recovery efforts there. the roads are looking much better, and i can tell you they were looking better as we left there yesterday. gas stations and hospitals still not back to normal. >> in the middle and lower keys you have utilities and communications either spotty or nonexistent, as john can tell you from personal experience. you have rescue teams and law enforcement continuing to go door and door and assessing the damage to see what they can do to help. and the small island of st. john and the u.s. virgin islands is
still without power and running low on food, water and supplies. >> this is or was a famous historic lookout point. it's where tourists and residents alike spent time taking a look at the beautiful views here in st. john. well, the views are gone. >> we are supposed to be in america's paradise, and look at what it looks like. >> riding out hurricane irma. when she emerged, she was awe struck. >> the shock of it all is subsiding. >> i'm sorry. i really am. >> i know. >> the tears are beginning to flow as neighbor greets neighbor to commiserate. for leah and her fiance, the
storm snatched away their business and their home a. wooden boat. >> anyway. sorry. all the stuff we had on there is gone, and we only had three suitcases. >> from the ground, it's clear things are bad, but once you get above the island the true scope comes into focus. there's damage just about everywhere. it's not just homes that are damaged, but take a look at the infrastructure. nearly every light pole is pushed over in some way, not a single one standing up straight. kind residents offered to drive us to the other side of the island, and for a time the scene just kept getting worse and worse at every turn. johnny b. has lived on st. john for 20 years. life, he says, was easy here and laid back. >> i got to make a choice, you know. i mean, this is a hard -- it's going to be a hard way of life
compared to what it was for 20 years. >> then the storm hit. the next day chaos ensued. >> what happened in the first day or days after the storm that surprised you or disturbed you? >> looting. a lot of people i didn't expect to do it were doing it. it wasn't time for desperation yet. it was the day after. there was no reason for it. i think it was grossly -- it was just gross. >> police have now moved in for the security issue, but the needed supplies are still just trickling in, a week after hurricane irma. just about everybody needs something here, including the famous wild donkeys of st. john. they too are survivors of the storm left to forge what little vegetation is left. >> it's just hard to believe.
we all lost something in this storm, you know. a lot of people lost everything. >> life used to be easy on this island, very laid back, and now people realize just how hard their lives have gotten. people who are asking what is it we can do to help st. john and some of the other islands dealing with the devastation? well, they need things like generators because power is completely gone here. it's dark. they also need a communication tower so they can actually try and get supplies in and out and the things they need, but those things are hard to come by on this little tiny island. cnn, st. john, u.s. virgin islands. >> our thanks to sarah. they also need to get their story out. the people in the u.s. virgin islands were frustrated for a few days because nobody knew the scope of the devastation, so it's good sarah is there. does the president risk losing his strongest supporters?
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calling it in the process, a hot mess. >> where does that leave the president's traditional allies? let me show you the headline in breitbart. trump supporters burning make america great again in protest of making no wall deal with dems. subtle. this was a question poppy asked earlier when we were talking, and it's dead on right. do you think the president is truly committed to the conservative agenda? >> i think the president has actually -- we delivered on his agenda pretty much on the house side except for tax reform, which is very complicated. it's important we continue to debate and report these issues. everybody has to do hand wringing and the president talks about deals. i come from a world from a former new york state assembly and what it is today and the
government, and that's where deals are made by three men in a room behind closed doors, and we are making deals out front where people can see and we are arguing and debating and that's the way the system was set up, and when i say delivered on his agenda, and it was nothing more than a negotiating piece for the senate to come up and bring us back into reconciliation. we passed huge reforms to the va. we just passed a 12-part appropriations bill, and the first time we have done that on regular order since 2009, and that included funding for the wall. what i asked was the president -- yes or no, he is committed to the conservative
agenda. >> he is committed to more of a populist agenda, and it's conservative and also populist. >> well, he promised a wall and now we are hearing different things? >> he has not signed a deal with the democrats as far as i know. the daca issue is still out there. there are republicans that are still trying to figure out how we are going to deal with the issue. >> you are a republican member of congress, and would you be
willing to grant legal status in return for border security? not a wall. border security. >> my concern with the president's dealing is what did we get? we don't know yet. we talk about daca, and i would be interested in helping legalize some of the people coming here through no fault of their own, and the question of citizenship is the real question. when you make them citizens, what about their family members and now eligible to come in. we have over 4 million people waiting to be legal citizens of this country, so do we put these people to the front of the line or not, or do -- >> it's dreamer legislation. they were never at the front of the line. i think the d.r.e.a.m.ers were also at the end of the line for citizenship. >> true, and there's an act i am considering, it's called the recognizing america's children act, and it gives us a humane of
weighi way of looking at these kids were brought into the country through no fault of their own, so they can get legal status. i think that's a step and the president and a lot of members of congress signed on to this, and it's something i will consider and it's a way to look at it. >> you also have a fellow republican member of congress saying no way, do not do daca only legislation, you give away all your leverage. there's nothing indicating the president will do only daca, and do you agree with the representative that indeed it does give up all your leverage? >> i think it's -- it would be unfortunate if republicans just address daca, and you have to look at the entire immigration system. we have over 4 million waiting legally to come in. we have a refugee program, and i
live in a city where we have one of the largest refugee populations, and i helped to bring in bosnia refugees, and i lived in new york and all of these things need to be considered, and there are many pieces of the puzzle. i think just isolating daca is one part of the process. looking at how we solve the immigration problem, the president, he really said we want you to do this in six months and if you don't i will readdress it, and that was a tactic for renegotiating, and we need to deal with the problem which as soon as we get done with the tax reform, and we have six months to go back to the drawing board and let's finally resolve this issue with immigration. wouldn't it be great if this president of all presidents, and our house and senate solve this problem, and i think it would be a really great thing. >> six months or another chinese dinner or two with chocolate -- >> i don't think the president is going to give up on the wall
by the way, and he said yesterday over and over he was going to build a wall. >> you think, but do you know? >> who knows? >> that explains quite a bit. >> have a nice weekend. so the monster storm, we're not talking about irma but we are talking about jose. look at her. she's inching closer and closer west towards the u.s. mainland. how close is she going to get? >> i think she's a dude, by the way. >> they name them women? >> they alternate. >> they do. okay. fact checking from john. ensure, always be you.
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anybody from coastal north carolina to new england needs to be watching this storm very closely over the next five days and hopefully it tracks out to sea, but the reality is, is that the cone is too close to the united states for my comfort so, you know, citizens need to be monitoring that very closely. >> watch this storm closely. where have we heard that before? this advice from fema's chief for those living along the east coast. >> the latest forecast suggesting there is a chance at this point that tropical storm jose could potentially make landfall anywhere from north carolina's outer banks to massachusetts. as i was rightly corrected, i said that all hurricanes are women. totally wrong. not a fact. >> not. >> don't know why i thought that. did that used to be the case? >> it did. >> thank you. >> before they came up with the boy, girl, boy, girl name it was okay to call ate she, now it's
an "it" no gender at all. jose was not a boy, irma not a girl. they're its out there. >> thank you. >> 70 miles per hour, not a major hurricane. this is not developing the way that irma did. irma was down here in very warm water. this is slightly cooler water, with a little bit more sheer. so now we're still tropical storm jose. but this thing has been in the water since irma was in the water. and it's still spinning around in the atlantic, hasn't made any landfall truly yet. did a little bit more wind damage to barbuda, like they need that, but it did miss at least the eye of the storm did miss when it was a bigger storm. now, the forecast is still for all the models to take it up the east coast to the east of north carolina. but we know how these models can go left and right and over the past couple of days, the european model has been here and then here and then here and now something like that.
so getting closer, not making landfall yet, as anything significant, but it's not impossible and that is still in the cone. see that little loop, tries to make a loop. because of the size of the blue dot here, got smaller, the pressure went up, too. it's not as strong of a storm. never in its forecast from the hurricane center will it be a major hurricane. still a 90-mile-per-hour storm. the biggest threat to people right now would be in the water here trying to surf or whatever, swim, huge swells off the east coast making huge rip currents. those rip currents will just take you right out into the ocean. hundreds of yards. that's how big those waves will be. west coast waves along the east coast and could cause more beach erosion. not going out more than five days. this is still wednesday of next week. still we'll see if it goes to the right, does it go to the strait, which is still possible or make that loop that the european model wants it to. i don't want do anything except turn right and not ruin our
entire northeast week for next week because it would be a storm that we would never have an idea whether it's atlantic city, new york city, or boston. that's the true case of it right now. no way to know. too many days away. >> which is why we're watching it so closely right now. chad myers, thanks so much. >> we're following a lot of break, first out of north korea and a terror attack in central london, improvised device exploding on a train during rush hour. we'll be right back.
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after a home made bomb exploded on a train in the middle of rush hour, new video after the blast showing what is left of what looks to be, see it right there, some kind of bucket bomb. >> witnesses tell us they heard the explosion. what followed was panic. passengers scrambled to escape the train. this morning 23 people are in the hospital in central london. hundreds of police officers are out looking for the suspect. >> all right. also today, north korea launched another missile over japan just days after getting hit by new u.n. sanctions. the u.n. security council is now set to hold what they're calling urgent consultations later today. how will they respond? >> we're going to have more on that, of course, out of north korea in just a moment, but first, though, we are getting new details on the terror attack
in london. we have our senior international correspondent nema elbagir on the scene. stand by the president did come out to address something completely different, john, and in just a few seconds you will hear what the president said, a short response, but responding after that tweet this morning on london. let's listen to the president. >> mr. president, any reaction to london, the terror attack? >> no. it's a terrible thing. going and going, and we have to be very smart, we have to be very, very tough. we're not nearly tough enough. that is just an absolutely terrible thing. in fact, i'm going to call the prime minister right now. >> [ inaudible ]. >> yes. i have. numerous things happening, including north korea. and going right now