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>> we're watching closely protests st. louis. they had been thinking about trying to cut off a free way, it looks like police were out in a heavy presence to stop them, it's not clear where they are or how organized it is. first about one and a half million people are still without power in florida but already there's another hurricane that could impact the u.s.
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jose regained strength. alison chinchar is in the weather center for us. >> we know things are going to be changing in 4 hours. it's back to a category 1 hurricane. winds at 75 miles per hour. as it progresses north it's going to expand in size. tomorrow it's likely the national hurricane center will issue tropical storm watches. then as it goes further north, say timing around wednesday morningish it will be about 225 east of new york city. keep in mind the margin of error is also 225 miles which means cities like new york and boston will be well within the area of reason next week. >> is the northeast the only part of the u.s. that may be affected by this?
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>> that's a great question. the answer is no. as it continues to push up towards the north, it's going to push all that water toward it is eastern sea board which means everyone from maine to florida will have the potential for incredibly strong rip currents and then from north carolina up to main there's potential for an actual landfall as well. >> alison, thanks for the latest. we've been following the situation in st. louis protesters gathered this afternoon, now they're marching. last hour the protesters were trying to mark onto a freeway, hoping to shut it down, what's happening now. >> we've been with these protesters since about 11:00 this afternoon, this is the
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largest gathering we've had so far. they're right next to a hospital. b one of the things thai they have done is move for the ambulance to get to the hospital. i want to say for the most part it hasn't been violent protests. we did have moments of violence earlier today when protesters had been moved from in front of a bus. there was pepper spray used on the protesters, people pushed back, 13 arrests have been made. 4 officers were assaulted. look how diverse this crowd is. when we were covering ferguson we would not have seen white people saying black lives matter. we're going to splip around so you can see this. you can see the medical campus there, you can see the signs. there's obviously a large number
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of young people who who have started to participate in this. they want to make sure their voice is heard. they want change and they believe the video. >> in terms of the police present now, it seemed like earlier they were taking a hands off approach which is what we've seen in these mobile marchs that the police do that so they don't end up with some sort of confrontation. is that the strategy right now of the police? >> that's what it seems like. the only confrontation we had was the moment when the buses were being stopped. outside of that we haven't had the back and forth between police officers and protesters. when they tried to go to the interstate they waited to see what was going to happen. they yelled at the officers, the officers stood their ground. there was no pushing and shoving. that happened when the bicycle cops came in earlier. at this point we are just
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marching. i will tell you we were told they were coming to the suburbs but they wanted the people in this neighborhood to feel the pain of poor people on the other side of town. they believe if you're poor or have issues or are urban that you're not going to be represented and they want to make sure their voices are heard. they're seeing this happen in real time with the shirts and people with signs. this has been going on. you can hear a guy with a cane walking with these protesters. it's interesting to watch the me mix of people who have shone up. >> i also want to check in with dan simon, who's at another part of the protest. what have you been seeing? >> reporter: so far the crowd has been peaceful. we're seeing people of all ages, a lot of young people, also seniors as well. right now police are not impeding their progress. they're taking a hands-off pr
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postture, we're just walking with the crowd. we have no idea where they're going. they're holding signs chanting slogans. this is the central west and part of st. louis there are a lot of restaurants and bars on the street they're walking to now. this is euclid avenue for folks familiar with the st. louis area. i can tell you that authorities seem to be very prepared for any type of violence that might break out. obviously they've drawn some lessons with what happened in ferguson. we know that the missouri governor has the national guard on stand by. obviously lots of police out here. police are working 12 hour shifts. many had their vacations or personal days cancelled. but for now this crowd just walking totally unimpeded and one person told me they plan to
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stay out here all night. >> you said they're walking toward euclid avenue. that's an area with bars and restaurants. it seemed like ryan said they wanted to go to a more suburban area. this is a business area? >> this is a business area. there's a lot of night life on the street. perhaps that's why they're going here. i'm listening to what this guy is saying. they're saying there are people in wheelchairs and slow down. i just lost ifb, anderson, so i can no longer hear you. there are several hundred people out here and it looks like this is going to go on throughout the night. >> we'll continue to check in with you. >> give me the facts of this case, are you surprised about the verdict of not guilty. this was a shooting that took place in 2011.
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this person left the police force, prosecutors said there was some kind of new evidence that let them to bring charges. there were allegations not only of the police officer shooting this person five times but also planting a weapon because part of his claim on shooting was that he believed the person was -- the driver was reaching for a gun. were you surprised by the verdict? >>, you know, given the history of these kind of cases and what the missouri law is right now, i'm not surprised by the verdict. i am disappointed, though. the prosecutors felt they had a strong case, especially given video evidence, audio evidence, dna evidence. so we were hopeful the system would work this time. what you're seeing now is people taking to the streets to voice their displeasure and feeing the system is not working for average citizens. >> are you surprised that the increase in body cams, do you
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think it's going to lead to more convictions, more vindications for police officers? >> i hope more cameras lead to more transparency. i do want to make one observation. i think antonio might agree with this. there's a different presence with the law enforcement and national guard here. there's more room for the protesters to be peaceful. i was republican chairman, the judge was a republican appointee 28 years on the bench. if you look at the ruling. he lays it out. maybe people wish it was a different decision. it's not outside of what the facts were. i think the story is the prosecutor who charged this, the guy that was killed had some records, had clearly been in trouble and not a choir boy perhaps. but she charged it wrong, prosecutors set this up where she put all her chips in the center and convict on murder one and the judge said, i can't do
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that. there may have been other poenlpoenl possibilities but she played politics to the black lives matter movement and she lost. i think that's part of it. >> i want you to respond, antonio. >> i disagree with ed with the facts. if you think there's a circuit in the district attorney's office, it's the system did not work. while ed was careful to point out the faults of the youngman killed, anthony smith, this officer also we need to agree was a bad cop. this was a cop who shows up to the scene with an ak-47. this was an officer who makes statements that we are going to kill this mf just before he does kill this guy. and he was released from the department, not fired but allowed to retire. but this was a bad cop and we need to be able to say that. and what people are asking for
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is a level of accountability. when a bad cop take it is life of a citizen, we need to get some accountability in the system. >> let me say, we don't get to call someone a bad cop based on the description. the guy killed, a 34-year-old, he was convicted twice of gun crimes and twice of drug crimes. this cop was accused and acquitted. >> he was released from the political director -- the city of st. louis had to pay almost a million dollars for what this cop did. >> i don't think you can call him a bad cop, that's all. >> i want to bring in -- >> we can't agree on that. this is how far we are apart. >> stay with us if you will, i want to bring in the police officers' associations. with a protest like this and the strategy of the police, it seems like it is hands off, let the protest continue whether they have a permit or not and avoid
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any confrontation, unless they're trying to shut down a highway. is that basically the strategy? >> i don't want to say let them have their space. but if they're gathered on the street and traffic can get around through other arteries, why not let them just have that space where you can contain them and monitor them and keep things safe. i think that's the approach. you know, the cops on the ground, they have ever changing tactics that are really dictated by the behavior of the crowd. >> jeff, i'm wondering, were you surprised by this verdict? >> i was not. i sat through almost that entire trial. if you read the judge's very well-reasoned extensive decision, you not only understand why he found jason not guilty, you should be able to understand why everyone should find him free of guilt in this case. >> so, jeff, when -- you know,
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when the officer said i'm going to kill this mf, and then actually does, i know -- i think the counter argument to that is a lot of people say things in the heat of a moment, in the heat of a chase, and this was a chase that went on, a vehicle chase. was that the explanation for those comments? >>, you know, the judge makes the comment that people say things in the heat of the moment and you have to take them for what they're worth and what happens after ward. but the comments that he makes in the car as they're chasing him are after the suspect has tried to run over he and his partner, and they've seen a gun inside his car and he's engaged on dangerous driving on streets. he was trying to get his partner, not long out of the academy's, head in the game and understand this was a serious situation. if he does it again or he points
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this gun at us is we're going to have to do this is probably what it was. >> is that the evidence you saw, antonio? >> not at all. when you read the judge's opinion, it seems he goes to great length to rationalize the language the officer uses. you would imagine the judge would out in not use the same rationalization for avenue an average citizen. >> you know that's not true. >> it is tough to imagine now, if you disregard the person actually saying i am going to kill you before they kill you. so what is premeditation then? >> i want you to be able to respond, jeff, and then we have to go. >> it was self-defense as antonio well knows the subject was armed with a gun, was reached for a gun that the
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officers new was there. if that's not self-defense, i don't know what that is. >> up next broiitish officials e warning another subway attack could be imminent. more in a moment kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you. [fbi agent] you're a brave man, your testimony will save lives. mr. stevens? this is your new name. this is your new house. and a perfectly inconspicuous suv. you must become invisible. [hero] i'll take my chances.
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today a terror attack in london, and tonight a new warning for britain. a manhunt is under way after an attack on a subway train. britain's prime minister is saying another attack could be imminent. >> the joint terrorism analyst center, that's the independent organization, which is responsible for setting the threat level on the basis of available intelligence, has now decided to raise the national threat level from severe to critical. this means that their assessment is that a further attack may be imminent.
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>> the explosion came from what's explained as a bucket bomb. the video shows it's still burning there. officials say they're lucky the bomb didn't detonate properly. 29 people were injured this morning. thankfully, no critical injuries. this is fifth terror attack in britain this year alone. so far there have been no arrests in connection with this attack. matthew chance joins us from london. what is the latest on the man hunt? there are so many surveillance cameras in the subway system on the streets in england. they must be looking over all that to track down this person who was bringing this large device onto a subway. >> reporter: absolutely. it's almost certain that the individual, the individuals that planted this device would have been caught on surveillance cameras at some point during their involvement in the transport system in london. there are 12,000 cctv cameras.
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just in the london transport system alone. and then, of course, there are thousands more on every metro station and tube station. it's one of the most closely scrutinized cities in the world. and so there are specialized officers who will be pouring over those images trying to build up a picture of what happened, trying to identify suspects. in terms of that investigation, the police are keeping their lips very tightly sealed about what progress they're making. they're saying they're making excellent progress but with not saying exactly what because of the nature of the investigation, much of it has to be done covertly. so they don't want to come out and say what inroads they're making. obviously this is a massive man hunt. the authorities say they put hundreds of extra police on the streets of london to try and track down the individual, the
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individuals concerned with this. also to try to make londoners feel more secure this evening. >> also the threat level being raised and saying another attack could be imminent, i'm assuming if this attack er or attackers or bomb maker or bomb makers are still on the loose, haven't been presented, it's very possible that they, if not others associated with them could try to strike again. >> absolutely. that's exactly why i think the terror threat level has been increased from severe to critical in the way that it has because it implies that a a terrorist attack is imminent. that's linked to the fact the individuals who carried out this latest attack or the individual, are still on the run. we saw a similar situation in june after the manchester attacks in which 22 people were
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killed following an ariana grande pop concert. the threat level was raised to critical then as well until the suspect was identified and those around the suspect as well. and so i think we're seeing a similar situation here tonight. >> obviously after the charlie hebdo attack where the attacks happened early in the week and it wasn't until later in the week where the terrorists were finally apprehended. the president didn't waste any time responding to the attack on twitter. theresa may says his speculation wasn't helpful. athena jones joins me now. the president spoke out about the attacks before departing for new jersey. what did he say and what's the latest? >> reporter: hi, anderson. that's right. this was at joint base andrews before he got onto a plane. he said he wanted to begin by saying our hearts and prayers go out to the people of london
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after experiencing this vicious terrorist attack. he said he had spoken with theresa may calling hear her a wonderful woman and saying he expressed to her america's deepest sympathy and commitment to eradicating the terrorists from our planet. he said radical islamic terrorism, will be eradicated immediately. a terror attack and said the terrorist was known to scotland yard. >> right. he said the suspect or suspects he said the terrorist was known to scotland yard. >> he said the suspect or suspects were in the sights of scotland yard, and makes it seem like the law enforcement -- british law enforcement maybe knew who was involved. that got some strong pushback from london police who said it was pure speculation and they didn't yet know, as we clearly know now, who was involved in
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this incident. we also heard criticism from the prime minister herself, theresa may who said i never think it's helpful for anybody to speculate on what is an ongoing investigation. so anderson, this is just the latest example of the president's twitter habit causing a bit of confusion and consternation when it comes to international relations. >> he also followed up that tweet with a tweet about his immigration ban, saying it should be stronger but because of political correctness, essentially, that's holding it back. >> reporter: that's right. this is, of course, during the campaign he called this a muslim ban later on when the administration introduced it. they did not call it a muslim ban, but the current version targets six muslim majority countries and nearly all refugees. that ban is going through several legal challenges. but clearly here today he's coming out and using this terror attack to try to push for that ban. and he did so before, in june, after one of the terrorist attacks in london,
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he made a similar argument on twitter, and so it's not surprising to see him do that again. >> athena jones, appreciate that. we're going to talk about this with the panel next. we'll be right back. you don't let anything lkeep you sidelined. come on! that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein, and 26 vitamins and minerals... for the strength and energy, to get back to doing what you love. ensure, always be you.
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our breaking news tonight from london, british officials raised the terror threat to critical saying there may be an imminent attack after a bombing on the london subway train this morning. 29 people were injured. a manhunt is under way for the bomber or bombers. meanwhile, britain's prime minister said the way president trump tweeted about the attack and prime minister if there was a terror attack god forbid in the united states and great britain, the prime minister there tweeted out very soon after, attackers were known, on the fbi radar, i would think there would be an outrage here about that sort of comment, do you think so? >> clearly it was you should have been more proactive. it's hard to get to that middle of an attack where they're still trying to access who did it, who else was involved, are there other attackers, all the things
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you go through. there's a file you can pull out that gives a quick internationally accepted answer, we're with you, our hearts and prayers are we, and anything you need we'll be with you. >> which he did later on say. >> yes. after someone handed him the file later and said say, this. my argument was this was an avoidable issue for the president. very easily done by just saying nothing until he had the opportunity make an official statement. again, it doesn't help because they are middle of it. nobody likes to be poked at all let alone middle of trying to assess the damage. >> the danger of p tt president trump weighing in so early on on twitter, especially after he's just read something about it, saw something on television, early information is often wrong. when there was an attack in the philippines, he went on twitter saying -- i think he said it live on television that it was a terror attack, turned out to being a robbery.
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there nops harm in, if it's something the american people don't have to know instantly. to wait a little. >> he's a casual observer as opposed to president of the united states. he woke up and saw the alert there was an attack in london, he's tweeting about it. he's the president of the united states and those tweets and those words have consequences and the fact he continually does this is a problem. we've seen this. it doesn't seem that it's going to subside at all. britain is our oldest and most important ally. they're part of five i's and intelligence. why would he go after them and quarterback in the middle of a terror investigation. it's just not responsible. this is going to get him in trouble internationally at some point if it hasn't already, we haven't seen it quite yet but it still continues to be a concern, i'm sure that general kelly, the chief of staff, was looking at this saying, mr. president, please can you just wait until we know the facts?
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i'm sure that his national security team hadn't even briefed him yet. i believe it was 6:20 in the morning with this happened. it's irresponsible. >> i think this is another case of for quite some time since kelly took over as chief of staff the president has been relatively disciplined with regard to twitter, but in this case news out -- yeah, so-so. this was reported out and then, 23mans later is when the president tweeted about this. he not only speculated about the cause of it, he said these are sick and demented loser terrorists. if that's the case, that's true, but for him to say that scotland yard should have been more proactive, clearly that's a problem. to follow up using this as an opportunity push for his travel ban is a problem. when we're talking about britain who is not just an ally, but an intelligence partner, is a problem. general mcmaster tried to clean
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it up. he said that scotland yard does a good job and the fbi does a good job. >> i think the president has visceral reactions to these things. why wouldn't he. we've all seen these string of attacks in london and we're sitting here thinking what are they not doing that's causing this, and are we doing everything here in the united states that we're supposed to be doing to stop it from happening here? yes, he got some diplomatic blowback today, and his visceral reactions manifests in him jumping the gun. but he's communicating to the american people, we are vigilant against these attacks. do i think he should wait sometimes, absolutely. but i think communicating vigilance is necessary. >> do you think that should be something, the first reaction should be we suspect britain and let's see what's going on. and later on you can say we're
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going to be vigilant, these are continuing problems, we're monitoring this. i don't think the context is proper. >> i think the point maid is interesting, it is almost the the actions of someone who still views himself as an observer of an event, no the the leader of the free world. he could have gotten a briefing of what went on, and then 30 minutes later, you know, tweeted out something like we're devoting all our resources, we've offered all our help. this appears to be a terror attack. people are on the loose. >> even a travel ban. >> i just don't understand why he still has access unobserved to his twitter, to his phone like that. i know he's the president and he can do it. but i just want to go back. do you think that this was ill advised today? >> sure. i would have waited. i worked for a president that didn't tweet and he typically
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waited and most presidents have done that. but we have to acknowledge this president doesn't act like any president we've had. he tends to put his visceral emotions on the table. and that does connect him to some of his supporters. >> stop right there because right before you said that last thing, i think this is one moment where actually i agree with four republicans on the panel. i just want to observe that. it never happens. but there is one other thing that troubles me about this tweet today. i mean, as anderson said coming in, there has been a whole series of terrorist attacks in london. he has tweeted after every one of them but one. the one terrorist attack he did not tweet after was when a group of muslims were run over by a van. same thing when -- and he went after, of course, the mayor of london in one of these and tied it to the travel ban. he did not tweet after muslims were attacked by terrorists in minnesota.
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he did not tweet directly after the charlottesville terrorist acts. so what troubles me about the way this is interpreted is that it's simply that he finds it okay to tweet when it ratifies his agenda. but when it involves other things, he's not going to tweet. and that, i think, is really troubling. >> we're going to leave it there. more with the panel after the break. when we come back, the latest media target. espn anchor jemele hill said. what she said, and next we'll also go back to st. louis where protesters have been on and off after the acquittal of the police officer that killed a man in 2011. the new app will go live monday? yeah. with hewlett-packard enterprise, we're transforming the way we work. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes.
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now the president has turned on a new target on twitter, jemele hill. it started when she tweeted donald trump is a white supremacists that surrounded himself with other white supremacists. that led to conservative media, who the president has been in contention with for years. that led to press secretary sarah sanders called for the espn to fire her, this morning president trump tweeted espn is paying a really big price for its politics and bad programming. people are dumping it in record numbers. apologize for untruth. i want to bring back in the panel. as a republican, does it concern you, the white house is weighing in on a private company's hiring or firing decisions? >> of course. this is not something that the president of the united states should be weighing in on directly. some would argue it's a free speech issue.
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jemele hill, whether you agree with her or not, has a right to say what she wants to say and espn can discipline her if they so choose. this is not a communist country where we have a state run media. in media we have first amendment rights here however you feel about what she said. i just feel that this is one of those areas where the president continues to step in it. there's a racial divide in this country and the president -- and it's been going on for a while. but the president of the united states is not helping to heal this in any way. he continues to open the wounds with this. >> one of the things that sarah sanders pointed out is that espn did fire curt shilling when he made comments that other people found offensive. there was stories that he discipline ed a woman named linda cohen when she criticized business decisions espn made, and commented on the effect of political leaning they may have.
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>> just really quick. just to put a point on that. conservatives were very upset during the obama administration when they claimed that the left would go after religious organizations or religious free speech in those areas. so we can't have it both ways. so what the president is doing is definitely not a republican nor a conservative principle by any means. >> i agree with sarah with regard to espn as a company if they're going to have a standard with regard to free speech that needs to be across the board. she is entitled to free speech, god bless america. she's also going to face some backlash just like curt shilling did. i do think if espn is going to have a standard with regard to political speak whether it's on twitter or on the air, it needs to be across the board. here's the problem with donald trump weighing in picking this as a battle which i don't think he should. now we have al sharpton saying if espn pushes back on her, they're going to face the wrath of the civil rights community. i don't think this is a battle that the president wants to have. >> attacking somebody in the media is obviously something the president has done time and time again.
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he clearly enjoys it or feels like -- he's not doing it by accident he clearly believes this does something for him. a lot of people, you know, certainly don't like what she said and a lot of people don't like media organizations who he also goes after. >> he's actually -- just to the point from before, he's acting like a citizen rather than the president. we have north korea threatening to nuke us all. we've got a potential terrorist act or a threat in england, and they are spending time at the president podium talking about a personal tweet of a woman on espn. it just is not presidential. it's not healing. does anybody else -- is it kind of ironic that donald trump the man who's never apologized once in his life is demanding an apology? it's like asking to see someone's tax return. it's wrong. >> conservatives, i think, are legitimately concerned about the double standard at espn.
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you see what happened to shilling and cohen. she's getting a slap on the wrist and now they have a memo saying we're not a political organization and we're going to move on from there. >> she only had three offenses, though. he was warned. >> she said the president was largely surrounded by white supremacists. she impugned the character of every staff member. i think conservatives are right to be worried about what's going on there as a matter of programming. but i also think the white house shouldn't weigh in on this. it's a free market issue. if i were espn, i wouldn't want my anchors to make half the country made. she's probably driving people away. >> people boycott with their eyes all the time. if this is something the country doesn't want, then they won't watch espn. then espn will make whatever determinations necessary for them. this is not an issue for the government, the president particularly to weigh in on. a programming note, a new
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>> we're following breaking news in st. louis tonight people protesting the acquittal of the officer who killed a man in 2011. i'm going to go back to dan simon. following the protesters, what's been happening now. >> reporter: we're in this young and trendy area in st. louis. still, hundreds of protests out here. we're walking by this mexican restaurant right here. this is an angry crowd, anderson, but they're not militant. they've been totally peaceful and the police have been letting them go where they want to go. we do see some people wearing
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some masks, and that could, ton honest, spell trouble for later. we're going to have to wait and see what happens tonight as the night goes on. but i can tell you that there is a heavy police presence out here, but they're not interfering with the protesters at the moment. they're just letting them go wherever they want, anderson. >> explain the genesis of this. once this verdict came through which was a closely watched trial in st. louis, the protests sprang up immediately right after that. >> reporter: that's right. right outside of the courthouse, you had a couple hundred people come to the courthouse almost immediately after the verdict. there were some people in that crowd who were throwing rocks and throwing water bottles at police. we saw a violent clash. police used pepper spray to get the crowd under control, and a number of people were arrested. and then things started to calm down after that, and then word spread. there were questions like where
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should we go and march? and the consensus apparently was come to the central west end of st. louis and that's where we are tonight. >> we'll continue to check in chief ramsy, there was a lot of evidence against this officer in this case. he was recorded saying during this case chase, which preceded the killing, he said, we're going to kill this mf. the gun found in the car had dna on it only from the officer, not from the suspect. were you surprised by the verdict or is all of that explainable because clearly to the judge it was? >> well, i wasn't surprised after i read the judge's verdict, 30 pages. i was concerned, there's no question about that, and it doesn't look good. the comment that the officer made during the chase is certainly inappropriate. i've been in car chases. it is highly stressful. you're subject to say just about anything.
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that doesn't mean, though, that you're guilty of murder. so there are a lot of things that he did that weren't consistent with policy. he had an unauthorized weapon, he handled evidence inappropriately. all those kinds of things. but again, he was charged with first-degree murder and you have to be able to prove it beyond all doubt and the beyond all reasonable doubt, and the state was enabling to do that. >> during the initial confrontation, his partner yelled, he's got a gone. so that was certainly in his head, and as he approached the vehicle, his defense team pointed out he didn't have his gun in his hand, he had his hand on his >> i mean, that's kind of hard to say. first of all, if you go back to the church's chicken incident, this suspect did ram the police
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car a couple times, drove off at a high rate of speed. they were engaged in a chase that lasted two or three minutes before they actually confronted the individual the second time. if he had his hand on his gun at the ready, maybe he felt comfortable that he could draw quick enough. i probably would have had mine out if i thought the guy was armed. but there was a lapse of time from the time he approached the car until he fired the shots. any time a life is taken, it needs to be closely scrutinized. i understand how people feel because they don't trust the system. if the decision is anything other than what they want it to be, then you're going to have protests and issues. it's a lack of trust. it seems like on a protest like this it's got to be very difficult for police because again it seems somewhat spontaneous. people not really even -- i'm not sure everybody really knows where they're going to go. i guess a small number of people are making the decision ad hoc. it's got to be hard for police to strike the balance between letting people protest with or without a permit and then trying to stop them from doing certain
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things. >> well, it is, but we're kind of used to that now as a profession where you have these spontaneous protests. you monitor, reroute traffic. the more troubling thing, though, is what i saw earlier today because missouri is an open carry state, you saw some people -- a few, not many -- openly carrying firearms. we saw that in charlottesville and in dallas before those officers were shot. that is very dangerous and that's just a tragedy waiting to happen. to have people at a protest and it's highly charged to begin with, and you introduce weapons on top of that, not much good can come from that. >> as a backdrop to the protests tonight the department of justice announced they're scaling back the obama administration's program to reform local police departments. i'm wondering what your thoughts are on that and what kind of message it sends. >> you know, i co-chaired president obama's task force. i actually asked for the justice department to come in and take a look at our department.
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i thought it was very helpful. listen, i understand that there's no one way of doing things, but i do think having an outside body come in and take a look at a department, make recommendations, is something that can benefit both the department and the city that that department is in. i have mixed feelings. i'd like to see exactly the model that they are proposing and how it actually works because sometimes, you know, you do need that outside look at a department if you're going to really make reforms. >> charles ramsey, appreciate your time. thank you. coming up, what president trump said today about north korea's latest missile launch. we also have a rare look at life inside north korea, a preview of cnn's special report which starts at the top of the hour. i kept looking for ways to manage my symptoms. i thought i was doing okay. then it hit me... managing was all i was doing. when i told my doctor, i learned humira is for people who still have symptoms
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and as we suspected, it was the intermediate range missile the same one they launched over japan a couple weeks ago causing air raid sirens to go off again for many residents of hokkaido. the first time since world war ii that people in japan are hearing air raid sirens and being told what to do in the event of an attack. very, very troubling for people in the region. the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley talking about the fact that diplomatic options may be running out which when she was speaking from washington just ahead of the emergency security council snap meeting. she said that there are plenty of military options, and president trump alluding to that as well. i can tell you what i was in north korea just last week, none of that rhetoric from washington is intimidating them. in fact, they say these sanctions and the pressure from washington and the u.n. just makes them want to accelerate their weapon's program further and test more missiles like this. >> will, you've spent so much time in north korea over the last couple years. you've got a special coming up on cnn. you've got unprecedented access inside the country. what are we going to see
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tonight? >> we spent 15 days in north korea, and there have been so many times i've been there and we're heading to a shoot and i'm looking out the window of the van just wishing that we could stop and pull over and actually talk to people and ask them about their lives. and for the first time ever, we had an opportunity to do that. you know, we're constantly under the supervision of government minders. they had an agenda. things that they wanted to show us, but some of the best moments that you're going to see in just a couple of minutes were these unscripted moments where we were able to stop and kind of in an unplanned way approach people and ask them questions. so like these young people that we found in the clip you're about to see. >> in north korea, government minders watch our every move and restrict what we can film, even if this is what we want to see. high school students horsing around at the beach. i can't help but wonder, what do they actually know about america?
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>> translator: no. i just wear it to play sports. >> have you ever heard of portland? >> translator: haven't heard of it. >> have you ever seen any america movies or heard american music? >> translator: no. >> ever heard of facebook or twitter or instagram? >> translator: no, not at all. >> these teens have been told americans act and look scary. >> what would you expect from an american? what would you expect an american to be like? >> translator: big nose with a hairy chest. >> big nose and hairy chest, huh? well, i don't have a hairy chest. you tell me, do i have a big nose? >> translator: with a nose like that, it is sort of. >> have you guys ever met an american before? >> translator: they become visibly uncomfortable when they learn i'm an american. i'm the first one they've ever met. >> i won't interrupt your game any longer. thank you very much. it was nice to meet you guys. >> when you listen to these north koreans, you need to read between the lines because everything they're saying is everything their government has been telling them. from cradle to grave,
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everything they hear has been vetted and approved by their authoritarian government. to be able to travel from the southern border near the demilitarized zone all the way up to the border near china, the first time cnn has ever been there really unprecedented and the pictures are truly extraordinary. >> i look forward to that. thanks very much. will's special report secret state inside north korea starts now. >> announcer: the following is a cnn special report. this is the north korea you know. this is the north korea you've never seen. stories you've never heard. >> is that a legend or did that actually happen? >> translator: our general is really a person who heaven sent to us. >> places you've never been. people with a common enemy. >> who do you want to fight? >> translator: to fight the sworn enemy, americans. >> what if i told you i'm an american?


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