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inaccurate. >> here's the thing, when i make a satatement i like to be correct. this evechbnt just happened. before i make a statement, i need the facts. >> until that's true, journalists need to keep fact checki checking. escalating threat. north korea fires another missile over japan. as the u.s. raises the stakes. >> there is a military option. >> how will president donald trump respond to this latest provocation? ambassador to the yuunited neids nikki halle is here.
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>> avenue dinie after dining wi the president -- from russia whe with thoughts. >> we saw the tip of the iceberg. >> how does this change the investigations into russian meddling? we'll ask the democrats on the senate sjudiciary committee ahead. hello, i'm dana bash in for jake tapper and the state of of o our yuan nunion is -- as the prt takes his america first message before dignitaries from 193 nations, the u.s. ambassador to the up and down, nikki haley offered a preview of the
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president's speech at the white house on friday. >> i personally think he slaps the right people, he hugs the right people and he comes out with the u.s. being very strong in the end. >> the president's speech comes as the u.s. searches for ways to rein in north korea. overnight, president trump spoke with his south korean counterpart. the president tweeted this morning, i spoke with president moon of south korea last night, and asked him how rocket man was doing, long lines at the gas stations. the ambassador to the united nations, nicky todkki haley. i want to start by looking ahead to tuesday, president donald trump is going to speak to the united nations, his first ever
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un speech. listen to what he told apec last year. >> the utter weakness and incompetence of the united nations. the united nations not a friend to democracy, it's not a friend to freedom, it's not a friend to even the united states of america where you know it has it's home and surely it's not a friend to israel. >> will the president stick by his america first message when he appears before the u.n. this coming week? >> i think you have to look at the fact that what he said at the time was accurate. i think we saw a united nations where the united states was giving over 25% of the funding and was being utterly disrespected, a united nations that was bashing israel ever chance they get a united nations that talked a lot but didn't have a lot of action, now we see a new day at the u.n.
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you see the israel bashing has become more balanced. you have a united nations that's totally moving bare ing towards. we said that we needed to get value for our dollar and what we're finding is that the international community is right there in support of reform, so it is a new day at the u.n., i think the pleas that he made in terms of trying to see change at the united nations have held firm and i think we'll see him respond to that coming up on tuesday. >> as you know the u.n. voted 15-0 on monday to impose a new set of sanctions on north korea, you said this will cut deep, but the president said this this week. >> we think it's just another small step, not a big deal. don't know if it has any impact, certainly it was nice to get a
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a-0 vo 15-0 vote but those sanctions are just the beginning of what has to happen. >> are the north korean sanctions something that will cut deep or not a big deal. >> the first sanctions bill that was the largest ever that we had done to north korea because a billion dollars, and it really was a punch in the gut to north korea. this one which we passed in a week, was $1.3 billion and that didn't count the oil reducing 30% of their diesel and oil and gasoline that go to move all of the kwiequipment. you take that with the -- all taken away, you look at all those things that total 90% of north korea's trade is being cut off. so we have economically stro
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strangled north korea and they have said as much. i think what the president is saying is we have done this but we can do a whole lot more. >> from what was just described you don't think that it's not a big deal? >> i think everybody in the international community sees it as a big deal, but we also have to have enforcement. this has not only been a kick to north korea, this was a real hit to china, they had to take a real hit due to the fact that they do 90% of their trade with north korea. so a lot of people feeling this, a lot of countries feeling this, but 15-0, united strong, and north korea has pretty much been cu cut off from the world. >> since the president said that, north korea has really done nothing but threaten the u.s. and it's allies, north
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korea threatened guam and fired two missiles over japan and fested a hydrogen bomb. was the president -- >> where north korea is beinger responsible and reckless, we're being responsible by using every diplomatic effort that we could possibly do. we have done all the diplomacy that we can do at the security council at this point. while he said, this is what we can do to north korea, we wanted to be responsible and go through all diplomatic means and get their attention first. i think general mattis will take care of it. y we all know that basically if north korea keeps on with this reckless behavior, if the united
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terrorists. these are sick and the demented people. trump was scolded saying it is never helpful to comment on an ongoing investigation. do tweets like this make it harder for people like you to work with allies around the world on important issues? >> well, i think that you have to understand that the president can communicate in any form that he wishes and if he uses twitter, i think you saw a reaction to the fact that this is terrible and we cannot let terrorist attacks become part of our normal day, and when you see these things, it makes the president more sure that he has to do whatever he can to keep america safe. he's concerned for london, he's
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concerned for terrorist attacks that are happening all over europe. we're always going to be allies. >> do you wish the president was more careful in suggesting information about the investigation that is ongoing, obviously the british prime minister wishes he was. >> if he goes out and he gets emotional and passionate about the fact that he's upset about what happened in the uk, of course that's what he put out there, there was no ill intent with that, i think it was just the fact that he was very concerned and very disturbed that these terrorist attacks keep happening in great britain. >> president trump just rolled back daca and president trump
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wants a solution. the dream act would offer these young people a path to citizenship. do you believe that dreamers should be able not only to stay in the u.s. but get an actual path to citizenship? >> pittsburgh first of all i hae all fear for dreamers, those that were brought here without their willingness or what could happen. but the united states is a country of laws and we have to always follow those laws and the president is trying to work with congress on what is a very serious situation. the fact that they're having that back and forth, the fact that they're talking about it i think is important and i think in the end in will be a resolution that they come together with as they go forward. >> i want to ask about a report
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on cnn.com on a piece that elise labbot did that you were under consideration to become president trump's secretary of state after the election, but you said no, because you felt at the time that you didn't have enough foreign policy experiencing. would you give the same answer today if you're asked to be secretary of state? >> i'm not going to be asked that question because secretary tillerson is going to be secretary of state. i will tell you that secretary tillerson continues to work hard, he's not going hard, and he's not going anywhere and we work well together. >> if he did go somewhere, would you want the job? >> he's not going anywhere so i'm not going to think about it. fake book hands over russian
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the senate judiciary committee. i want to ask you about that dinner that the president had on immigration, you landed in a little bit of hot water by saying that the president can learn and change? >> i expressed a hope. >> do you feel vindicated that this week he actually sat down with pelosi and schumer. >> this is a start, because big bills have to be bipartisan, i have learned that over this years and people have to work together. and with a two-party system, the president becomes a point of reconciliation between the two, and that's been the history, leaderssitting down with the president, working something out. this is to me a built of regubi
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order. and in california we have 30% of all the daca dreamer population there, i know their stories, and they're heart rending. they are amazing young people because they were young enough when they kach hecame here to r grasp hole of the idea that if you get here, you get educated you can do more. >> robert mueller is now in possession of russian fake adsa ran during the campaign. do you have any information on jared kushner had any role in selecting facebook targets for the russians? >> no, not at this time. >> no indication? >> we have just hired two investigators to work the russian side of the
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investigation, that largely deals with obstruction of justice and the russia-trump connection and if it rises to the level of collusion, so this will take a sustained effort and i think everybody should be very cautious in what they say because none of us want to be false in what we say, so it means you have to wait until the evidence kcomes in. >> these are now democratic investigators, are you working in a bipartisan way? >> we work in a biparol stisan in terms of the interviews, the team that the staff just interviewed. donald trump, jr. was a five-hour interview, republicans went first and then democratic staff questioned and i have just received the transcript, we'll look at the transcript and i think it's senator grassley's intent and it's certainly my
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intent to have him before the committee president open and be able to ask some questions under oath. >> do you have any idea when that's going to happen? that public testimony from donald trump, jr.? >> it will be this fall, i know that for sure. things keep changing not by design, but just by the press of other business on the committee. and i think people have to anticipa anticipate, i know approximate because as i walk through the halls, there's a rush of press, question after question, this could take a year and a half if not more. so i think people have to be patient, i think the chairman and i work well together, if we have a difference, we work it out between us, i think the democratic side is very constructive in the way they work at this and we will be able to answer some questions, let me put it that way. >> one quick final question on russia before we move on.
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your committee, the senate judiciary committee is having trouble getting in touch with trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, when will the committee likely send him a subpoena? >> we will likely do that if he refuses to come before the som things that we want to do before is some investigative work and we have people that can do that. >> let's turn to north korea. the president's position is no diplomatic talking until north korea agrees to end its nuclear program, is that the right approach? >> i don't believe it is. i have spent a lot of time looking at intelligence on north
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korea. i think north korea is not going to give up its program with nothing on the table. i think that what could happen is that we could have reliable verification of a freeze, of both the nuclear program and the missile arsenal and that we could conceivably talk china into supporting that kind of a freeze. because it would carry with it no regime change and no war. and my -- i have never been in greater -- in a state of greater concern about this nation and korea because there's a certain recklessness on the other side. they now have very powerful weapons, they have done six nuclear tests, they have big missiles and they have missiles that can carry -- >> when you talk about korea, you have said that you read a lot of the intelligence, how concerned are you about the united states and the safety of the united states?
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>> well, i am concerned about the safety of the united states. our missile defense isn't per febper -- perfect. it certainly has to be worked on to be approved. and we know they can hit anywhere within the united states now and they have done this in a relatively short time, and this particular leader over hiss fath his father has moved much more quickly and it's been effective. the science apparently is good because they have been able to put together tests that are successful. >> i want to ask you about something that happened this week, conservative groups, in fact several contest groups are accusing you of being anti-catholic because you were questioning one of the president's judicial nominees and you talked be lt the twa ee
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that doi that dogma and religion are two different things. >> i sat in doctrine classes five days a week. i think catholicism is a great religion. i know some archbishops, we have had dinner together over many, many decades and i have tried to be helpful to the church whenever i could. having said that, this is a woman that has no real trial or court experience. and therefore there is no record. she's a professor, which is fine, but all we have to look at are her writings and in her mak questions which are questionable, which deserve
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you are looking at allowing people to stay here, we're working with everybody. republic republican, we're working with democrat, and we're talking about taking care of people, people that were brawliought he people that have done a good job and were not brawliought here o their own volition. >> welcome one and all. i want to first start by talking about what the president was just discussing, about the beginnings of striking a deal with congressional leaders. i want you to see what steve king, house member from iowa said, he said the trump base is blowing up, if ap is correct, trump base is blown up, destroyed,er rep parabi irrepar.
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>> those days are over. i think steve king does realize that this is a big blow to a lot of people that supported president trump and it shows that he backs down from a pretty central promise in his campaign about the issue of immigration. so i think it just reflects the frustration the president has in trying to get something done, and the fact that he was able to get something done with chuck and nancy on the debt limit, now he's just going back and staying, well, if republicans aren't going to get things done, i'm -- he's a transactional president. that's why it's vitally important for republicans to get something done on health care, to get something done on taxes, because if you don't start getting things done and delivering things to president 2ru6r trump, this'he's going to go someplace else. >> you saw president true.
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>> a couple of things, this president was sent here to upset washington he wants to accomplish things and i don't think that talking about dreamers and helping them stay here is necessarily amnesty. the only thing tougher than health care is amnesty. any type of immigration reform is very, very hard to get done. the president has said to congress, he's willing to get it done with whomever it takes, i think. for the president, how does that feel? >>'re sitting down so we don't talk all over. i think, first of all, seeing steve king have a meltdown is really just a source of pleasure, poor little thing, he sounds like one of those
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proverbial snowflakes we're talking about. donald trump is the author of snc "the art of the deal" so i think what you're seeing is the willingness to go out of the box to find a solution. the republican party in congress right now is broken, probably there's more ideological difference between the moderate and freedom caucus, than there is between main stream democrats and mo and moderate republicans. i think trump has got more political capital with his base, and more room to maneuver than any other president did. if it would have been president bush meeting with chuck and nancy, there would have been explosions all over the place. >> you were a democratic chief
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executive. do you think this is a good move? >> you heard dianne feinstein talk earlier about compromise, you need to have both sides to deal with big legislation. think thought president trump actually had compassionate words for these dreamers and that was encouraging, but on the republican side, this notion of amnesty or preventing amnesty is deeply concerning. there's this raised bill which republicans have produced which wharton has said will cost 4.6 million jobs, sending these dreamers away, wrhich is ridiculous, i was brought here when i was 4 years old from canada i pledged allegiance to america, i can't imagine being threatened with being sent back. we draw people from all corners
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of the world. anna when you were brought here as a young person, you were here under the reagan amnesty program. >> i was brought here when i was 8 years old by my parents fleeing communism. and they wanted to bring me to freedom. when i look at these dreamers, there but for the grace of god go you or i. these are the types of people that make the country great. that are a class by themselves. >> are we a nation of laws or are we not a nation of laws? >> so let's make a law that allows them to stay. >> i understand that there's a sympathetic case to be made here. but we are a nation of law. >> so make a law that allows them to stay. >> we need to focus more on what
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benefits our country not have anyone who's related to someone who's a fourth cousin -- >> there's republicans like rick, definitely, but there's also republicans like jeff flake, like lindsay graham, and like paul ryan who want to get a fix for these kids. so if it means working with democrats to mr. ab s to be abl something that passes muster and gets -- >> these kids -- my question to those who don't agree with that is how long would anybody have to wait if they're one of these 700,000, under your theory, would they never be allowed to vote in this country? >> that's why immigration reform is so hard to get done in this town, everybody wants the same thing, to get it worked out.
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i agree with you, that there's this great schism between the -- there's grand canyon of pace. >> you don't there's a grand canyon between the moderates and the freedom caucus? >> i agree on immigration reform and the dreamers, everybody wants to see something nice and these folks to be taken care of. we need secure borders, we need secure borders, we need the rule of law. how do you get there is the problem? and unlike us sitting around this table, there's 536 people that have to agree here. that's why it's taking so long. it's not going to get done tomorrow. we have six months. >> everyone stand by, we have a lot more to discuss. . top democrats are taking sides in a very split that may split the democratic party in two.
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stand up for health care for all, where a public option is allowed, et cetera, will be a piece of it because i think democrats pretty much uniformly believe that until richest country in the world, we ought to be giving people access to health care, or giving them, making sure they can get healed. so if every other country can do it, why can't we? so i this is a stake in the ground. >> is thatti ingoing to give pe in pennsylvania a problem? >> i love watching it, so just keep it going, keep it coming. >> i don't like the idea of buying into medicare. >> i like the idea of giving everybody a how long, a car for free. but somebody's got to pay for it. here's the story. >> go ahead. >> the democrats have now admitted that obamacare is a failure. you just said, we should have a health care system that -- you
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said that eight years ago, that you had a health care system under obamacare that was going to provide health care for everybody, it hasn't, it's failed. >> it hasn't failed. let's fix it then. >> why arie bernie sanders and all the other democrats sitting up there and saying it's failed. >> he did not say that. >> single payer health care system which is what bernie sanders is talking about, or we can have a system that saysl l t let's get this money out to the states. >> is it going to happen? are you going to get the 50 votes from republicans? >> i think we're closing in, as of the last few days, the president himself is fully engaged in this. >> is your governor supportive? is the governor of pennsylvania
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supporti supportive? there are a lot of other republican governors who aren't in favor either. >> you look at bill nelson, the state of florida gets about $3 billion under obamacare because there's four states that come price 40% of the-oez you got states like florida who get $3 billion a year, half of what massachusetts gets and ask bill nelson if he'll take $15 million which is what the state of th e florida is going to get. >> we do have a system that needs to get fixed. it's not going to happen unilaterally by either party, republicans tried and failed. the republicans are going to stand in unison against it. but the good thing is that we're still talking about fixing health care, because i think it's important. it's a problem, it needs to be faced. we need to solve a national
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crisis. after we get away from the political posturing, congress needs to get together. i know that's a shocking concept. but maybe have bipartisan koo compromise. [ all talking at once ] >> there is a reason why aarp hate this is bill, it's because it cuts 290 billion dlr$290 biu health care from what is currently stated in current law. >> why is that? because we give the individual and the employer mandate. >> that means you will not be able to cover people. that means 30 million people will be without health care. so let's just see what the congressional budget office says when its scores.
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because -- >> and they're doing that this week. >> and $299 billion is being cult. including 218 out of florida. >> we'll look at the information this week. before we go, i have to show you all this retweet by the president this morning, he was very active on twitter this morning, as you see there, there's no sount, thered, there image of him hitting a golf ball and hitting hillary clinton in the back and knocking her down. is that appropriate by the president? >> tweets and retweets are not an endorsement. >> why is he still so obsessed with hillary clinton? >> this is the part that drives
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me crazy, when decent people, decent republicans who normalize what the president is doing. he is still an example. if your 6-year-old son did this, he would be punished. so this 71-year-old should not be accepted. he's being a jerk and he's not being a president. >> that's an interesting way to leave this morning. >> up next, he designed the menu, the menu and the venue, the president's having a dinner where deals are made. it's all about chinese food and chocolate pie. and this wrestling ticket... which you still owe me for. seriously? $25? i didn't even want to go. ahhh, your diary. "mom says it's totally natural..." $25 is nothing.
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welcome back to state of union. i'm dana bash. political foes or dinner dates? this week the white house had the hottest table in town and wednesday evening president trump dined with the top two democrats, or chuck and nancy that he likes to call them. it was the second meal in a week that he shared with democrats and it seems to presidential deal making all comes down to dinner. >> reporter: for president trump, the art of the political deal begins with breaking bread. >> i remember when republicans and democrats would file like hell and go and have dinner together and go back and file like hell and get a lot of thing done. >> really the atmospherics of
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the dinner were quite extraordina extraordinary. >> and it a night at the ifel tower. >> everybody got a scoop of ice cream. there was a perfectly shaped egg, and the president only got one two, he didn't get two, he only got one. >> reporter: of course not everyone wants to get wined and dined by the president. he called me and said come and have dinner with me. >> and with the commander in chief, even the nicest of meals can go awry. it. >> we had the most beautiful piece of chocolate cake that you have ever stein. and what i said was, we have just launched 59 missiles, that was during dessert. when it's just him, the
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billionaire's tastes are a lot more basic. >> i eat light a lot of times. the big macs are create, the quarter pounder with chief, it's great stuff. >> thank you for spending your sunday morning with us, i'm dana bash, fareed zakaria gps start it right now. >> this is gps the global public square, i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, i have interviewed world leaders but the one whose brain i would like to pick right now is kim jong-un. since i'll probably never have a chance, i will tell you how i think he would an all the questions squirrwirling about a his true intentions. also russian war games, german elections, the fate of the iran nuclear

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