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things like block grants and other are completely inflexible programs that in the likebeen seeing and the natural disasters or the infectious we want to make sure states have the flexibility is the most importa fight when it comes to the healdrafting this legislation, are those some of the chanthere others?expire september 30th. there already in the senate. let's get the senate to work and >> we appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> >> thank you. i'm don
>> she and her husband are on their honeymoon and she joins us by phone. when last we checked you were preparing, so you have been through -- you said you had never been through anything like this before. describe to us what it was like. >> pretty crazy. i woke my husband up at 2:30 this morning and asked we go to the state room because the winds were pounding against our door and the windows in our room faced the ocean. we left our room at 3:00 this morning and in the shelter until 4:00 this afternoon. >> wow, you had to evacuate your room in the middle of the night. what was that like? you went to the safe room. did you have to just go to one place or did you keep moving around? some people had to keep moving. >> no, we actually -- they had one stop for us. we didn't have to move. we got to stay in their ballroom. once we made our way from our
rooms through the tunnels over to there we stayed there until 4:00. >> had you stayed in your room, do you think that you would have survived? what did your room end up looking like? heather, are you there? oh, we lost heather. heather, we spoke to her last night and had just gotten married and took her honeymoon in puerto rico and having to deal with this. do we have her back? we don't. all right. let's put up the picture. this is a picture of her 3-month-old baby and she was taking care of a 3-month-old baby and there is the 3-month-old baby and anyway. the baby was at home. go ahead. i'm talking to the producer, stand by, audience, go ahead. okay. this is the 3-month-old baby. i don't think it was with her.
we're glad they're okay and glad someone was taking care of the baby. heather from puerto rico. i want to bring in bill nye. thank you for joining us. i have to ask you this question. i've been wanting to ask you. the united states has been rocked by three massive storms. harvey, irma, maria. stl a scientific explanation why we've seen so many powerful storms this year, bill? >> those of us who accept the science of climate change connect all of these with having more heat energy in the atmosphere. you guys, that's what it is. the sea surface is warmer than it's ever been so the storms are bigger than they've ever been. now, there was a lot of computer models that were working this problem and figured there would be fewer, -- more intense storms but fewer of them but this year has been storm after storm and we
aren't done. the so-called hurricane season which is a little arbitrary runs all the way through november. and i'll just tell you, you know, the problem with these hurricanes is the structures, the infrastructure. they only last a few hours or a day or two, but when all the buildings and especially all the electrical power lines are destroyed and water infrastructure is messed up, that's when you have all this hardship and suffering. so we would prefer us to except the threat of climate change and build our infrastructure, our buildings, our electricity, electrical grid and our freshwater supplies to be more robust. >> i want to mention someone pushing back on this, a professor of atmospheric science at the university of washington is pushing back on the idea that the massive flooding we saw from hurricane harvey was caused by climate change or global warming. he says the bottom line is this
analysis is that both observations of the past decades and models looking forward to the future do not suggest that one can explain the heavy rains of harvey by global warming and folks that are suggesting it are poorly informing the public and decision makers. what do you say to that response? >> well, you know, as we say, he may be right but wouldn't it be good if the infrastructure in houston could handle that much rain? wouldn't that be better? how do we come out behind by having superior infrastructure, sup era electrical grid, superior clean water supplies? what's the down side of all that? this requires investment. people are reluctant to invest. people are reluctant to set up a tax code that provides more for government infrastructure. >> in the aftermath of harvey and irma the response we got from scott pruitt. this wasn't the time to talk
about climate change. the united nations president addressed the storms today. listen to this. >> we have a big one going right now. i've never seen winds like this and puerto rico, you take a look at what's happening there and just one after another. i think we're doing a good job. >> the response was widely commended. are we doing enough to address the root cause? >> i've been at this for almost 30 years now, you know. by means of science education and then as climate change became a political issue, you -- people like you have thrust me into this position. with all that said, wouldn't it be better if we had energy independence and reliable electricity for everyone and provide the internet for everyone, wouldn't life be better? it takes investment and people disagree in what to invest and somehow climate change has become part of this.
if you live your life with the belief that humans are not putting more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to make the water in the gulf of mexico warmer and make hurricanes stronger, okay. but what about the rest of us in the overwhelming majority of scientists who have been calling attention to this issue since -- well certainly since 1988? the other big deal going on are the earthquakes. >> let me ask you about that. 7.1 magnitude earthquake in mexico city yesterday. mexico's west coast. i want to put up this map. mexico's west coast was hit by an 8.1 magnitude earthquake earlier this month. is there a connection between the quakes or coincidence. i was in los angeles earlier in the week and felt the one there as well centered in the westwood area. >> they're completely unconnected. however, the connection for me
as an engineer is in the infrastructure. we have an old saying in civil engineering, earthquakes don't kill people, buildings kill people. so if you are in, for example, the country of japan, earthquakes are routine and they require buildings to be built to withstand -- earthquakes are still troublesome and people are still very concerned about them but you don't have the sort of falling apart of infrastructure that we have to a limited extent in the united states and as we saw here in mexico. it requires investment. you can design buildings that withstand earthquakes. it takes more investment. it takes planning and zoning and thought. but engineers have given it a lot of thought and by embracing this bigger picture, i believe we could improve the quality of life of people everywhere. >> bill nye, always a pleasure. thank you for coming on.
>> thank you. let's save the world. >> and when we come back major news on the russia investigation. special counsel robert mueller wants white house documents on the firing of flynn and james comey. what it says about the state of the investigation. includes netf. that's right, netflix on us. get four unlimited lines for just forty bucks each. taxes and fees included. and now, netflix included. so go ahead, binge on us. another reason why t-mobile is america's best unlimited network. sfx: t-mobile mnemonic
ryan and david swir lick and bob, a long time did we do something? i don't know. >> not at all. i always love staying up late with you, don. >> good. we're glad about that. so just because of that we'll start with david. so david, there is news tonight about the special counsel robert mueller asking for documents related to president trump's activities as reported in the "new york times." what's the significance of this? >> it suggests that in looking at what was going on at the white house specifically around president trump's white house meeting with russian foreign minister lavrov and comments he made after dismissing f.b.i. director james comey that maybe robert mueller is trying to build a case around the idea of obstruction of justice, right? different tracks moving on the russia investigation. one thing is about what
underlying connections there may have been between president trump's inner circle and people in russia or with ties to the russian government. and the other thing is about whether there was obstruction of justice as an attempt to sort of divert the first track of investigation. we don't know yet if any of these things can be firmly established but that's what is suggested by some of these requests that the special counsel's office made. >> april, by asking for these white house documents what do you think mueller is looking for here? >> he is looking for connections. he wants to connect the dots. you know, this lavrov comment, this comment from the president to lavrov was huge in the president's words. he basically talked against comey and he said he is gone. and it begs the question was he fired because of this russia investigation?
and i talked with then former u.s. attorney general eric holder over the summer at the naacp convention and what mueller is doing, he has a broad scope and this is within his purview to do this. so it's just -- it keeps unfolding day after day. there are things we still don't know they're doing and uncovering. it is very interesting the twists and turns. we always thought this could be part of this investigation but now we're hearing the affirmation that it is. >> bob, listen, is there particular importance to the fact this is the first time the president's actions are directly under scrutiny? >> i think it shows the investigation is rambling up. when you think about when this is going to end. it can't end around the election time. if they are going to wrap up this investigation it has to be in the first half of next year and clearly they are leaning on manafort. they are using very intimidating tactics with him, raiding his house, picking his
lck while he is there asleep in the morning. and also threatening indictments and clearly they have some stuff, it appears, on manafort. what do they want to know from him? the other thing that's interest. crucial time in the investigation, the trump lawyers have been at odds as we've seen over the last few days. will they cooperate? they've been saying they will but now that we're getting into very specific requests we shall see. >> cnn also has exclusive reporting involving paul manafort, president trump's former campaign chairman. specifically that investigators got a fisa warrant. >> it was a huge deal. he was campaign chairman and maybe it was what trump was referring to about the wiretapping tweet. he has been the target of investigation for a long time, that's clear. and then as april said why was
manafort fired? he don't know a lot. but certainly we're starting to learn a lot more. these leaks are also another sign of the intimidation that mueller's team is putting manafort under. >> the investigation as manafort as i understand from cnn's reporting goes back to 2006 and one of the i guess the surveillance was 2014. that was before trump was even running for president. so to say that it was connected to trump tower or president trump or donald trump the candidate is just not true because it was back in 2014, donald trump again didn't declare his presidency until the summer of 2015. there you go. let's just -- i want to keep it real here. april, the russia -- an the russia front the "washington post" reporting paul manafort, the former chairman of the trump campaign offered private briefings to a russian billionaire aligned with the kremlin. what's your reaction to that
news? >> on the surface you would say maybe nothing is wrong. but when you dig into what manafort knows, he knows a lot of sensitive information. and there are a lot of questions. i talked to some national security intelligence folks and they said to me look, here is the thing. the question is was this meeting just a one-sided meeting where manafort just gave information and it also begs the question, you know, why did the f.b.i. make this raid? what does he know? so, you know, there are a lot of questions about this. and just to say you gave information is or had a conversation and gave information is one thing. when you look at who was giving the information to the person they're giving it to, there are a lot of questions that are unanswered and then again, again, again and again this f.b.i. raid on paul manafort's home. what does he know and what does he have? this is very interesting revelation and it is a lot
remains to be answered. >> okay then, why, april, is it significant? does it strengthen the case there was collusion between russia and the trump administration? >> i'm not going to say it strengthens the case but there are some very strong questions that need some real answers. if paul manafort -- even like the president said paul manafort had a limited role in his campaign, even that limited role, he was privy to some very sensitive information. so if you are going to talk to a russian official when there is questions months later. this was just two weeks before the -- well, the then candidate received or accepted the nomination from the party. this is saying something. and now, you know, months later there is a huge investigation of this president and his administration and those close to him about possible ties or collusion with russia on throwing the election in the
united states. so those questions have got to be answered as to what paul manafort did say. was it a back and forth? was it an exchange of information or just giving information so the russian government could overthrow or overturn or do whatever they wanted to do with this election process? so, i mean, the election process in this country is sacred and it is something that the forefathers said no other government or country can interfere in. so the questions are there. paul manafort had a position where he knew sensitive information. what was given to the russian official. that's the big question? >> david, according to the "washington post" report there is no evidence the billionaire actually took manafort's offer. it is appropriate for manafort to make that offer to begin with? >> not at the time that he is serving as president trump's campaign chair. nothing in the crucial reporting by my post colleagues
today tom and adam and carol, it is a crucial report but no, it doesn't prove that anything illegal was done or there was any collusion or as you say, don, that this russian billionaire actually took this briefing. but step back and look at it big picture. you have the email communications between manafort and representatives of the russian. you have at different stages of time general flynn in contact with ambassador kislyak. and president trump's meeting with lavrov. kushner's meeting during the transition with a russian banker. you start to get this picture again it doesn't prove that there was collusion or anything illegal going on. but you get this picture that totally undercuts the narrative and the white house for a long
time. there is nothing to see here and nothing to do with trump's circle and russia. >> an hour before a gentleman was saying they were marketing themselves. nothing to do with the president. it shows they may have had bad dealings and didn't have anything to do with trump or the trump campaign. do you buy that? >> that remains to be seen here. certainly flynn and manafort are targets here. >> to say it's marketing when you are running a campaign for someone running for president of the united states. >> right. well, there is a lot of smoke here. mueller is trying to find if there is fire. the question is whether i think manafort and flynn cooperate and they reveal everything they know. that remains to be seen. in the big picture for trump, his numbers have gotten a bump recently in the wake of his deal with democrats and hurricane relief and now as he has called it the russia cloud comes back and it is not going
away any time soon. >> thank you all. april, happy birthday. appreciate it. >> thank you, don. >> when we come back the gop scrambling for every last vote to push through the healthcare hail mary. what's really in this bill and what will it mean for you and what former president obama is saying about the bill. ♪ whatever you want to do... ♪ ...is alright with me. ♪ ooo baby let's... ♪ ...let's stay together... (avo)it off with contrave. it's fda-approved to help adults who are overweight or struggle with obesity.
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only a partial analysis that will not include the impact on coverage, and that is disturbing to me. >> is former missouri secretary of state and the senior economic advisor for the trump campaign. here we go again. i thought we would have the last of the conversations and here it is again. steve, it doesn't look like we'll get a full cbo score before the bill goes up for a vote. how can members of congress understand the full -- impacts of this bill without it? susan collins is waiting but most of the coverage losses won't be in this report. >> there will be a score on what the budget cost is. some of the other elements, for example on coverage may not get it done on time. i think, look, the big point here -- i've been watching your show all night tonight, don and your previous discussions on this. when you talk about what states
are going to win and what states are going to lose and does this require, you know, coverage for the pre-existing conditions and so on, the whole point i just want your viewers to understand, the point of this is try to replicate in healthcare reform what we did so successfully under bill clinton, a democratic president and republican congress in the mid 90s with welfare reform. we said we can't handle welfare at the federal level. it is exploding costs. more and more people on welfare. we turned it back to the states and let every one of the 50 states design their own programs and it was one of the greatest success stories in 50 years. it was a bipartisan -- >> not everyone needs welfare, everyone needs healthcare. >> the point is what states were able to do. by the way, all of the claims that we're hearing from some of my liberal friends, oh my god, everybody will lose healthcare. these were the kinds of claims that were made on welfare reform. if you look back at what a lot
of liberals say my god, we'll is blood on the streets and the people will lose welfare benefits and starve in the streets. none of that happened. what happened is we moved 50% of the people off of welfare into jobs. so the point i'm making is we've tried this kind of approach before in federalism and it worked well. why not try it in healthcare? >> then why now then? republicans had so many years to come up with a fix and now they're coming up with a democratic fix to a healthcare plan that was pretty much a republican plan to begin with? this was romney care. now you want to fix it with a bill clinton plan? >> i want to use federalism and allow the states to experiment. i think a lot of the governors will tell you look, this will actually save money and potentially increase coverage because a lot of these governors say you given us the flexibility we can reduce costs and cover more people. >> a lot of governors are spaoeng out against it.
>> the majority of republican gofshs nor are against it. steve is doing an admirable job of not talking about the bill. the reason he is doing that nobody is excite bed the bill. it is a healthcare bill that causes fewer people to have healthcare. that seems like a really bad idea. >> why do you say fewer people will have healthcare? you turn this money over to the states and they will find ways to provide coverage? why would texas, florida or other states drop people from health insurance? >> because it's a fact. everybody knows it's a fact. the reason the cbo -- the reason they'll try to act among any other reasons on this before the cbo comes out with the full report, which as you said would include coverage, is because they know that it is going to be really bad news for the bill. what they learned from this last debacle on trump care was not that you should cover more people or be more generous and more compassionate, you should employ for secrecy. they'll try to move faster through the process to get this
done. folks don't want this. they should take the hint. nobody is excited about this bill. the vast majority of americans and people influential in the healthcare space, insurance, all sorts of folks are stepping forward and saying this is a bad idea. chris christie, who i'm pretty sure at this point would do just about anything that president trump asked him to do said today he is against this bill. nobody likes this bill. they should just take the hint and not do this. >> when you say nobody wants this bill. >> this is -- take a look at this map. some states would make out better than others under this bill it would reduce federal spending on health insurance and cost 34 states to lose such funding. states with relatively low medical costs and no program expansion would gain money and states with higher-priced medicine and generous benefits for their low income residents such as california and new york would lose billion yons of dollars. they are taking money from the blue states that took obamacare money and giving it to the red
states that didn't want obamacare money. >> wait a minute. if you look at that map, don, what it is showing the wealthier states with higher per capita income states like new york and connecticut and california are going to lose money relatively and the poorer states that have more poor people are going to get more money. but look, i think again you are missing the point. if these states -- we've had a couple of experiments where we allowed states to have these block grants where we said here is your set amount of money. go out and find ways to provide coverage for people and save money. rhode island did this and a couple of things rhode island did to give an examples that states can save money. for example, with medicaid they started putting small co-payments on if you went to the emergency room and things like that. it saved huge amounts of money for the state and they can provide expanded coverage. they allowed the state of rhode island to put senior citizens, a lot of people on medicaid are
seniors, the take them out of the nursing homes and give them home care which the seniors wanted. they wanted to be in home care not in the nursing homes and saved money. there are ways that states can find to save money and make the system more efficient, reduce costs and cover more people. i just believe that to be the case. >> let me get this straight you want to provide more flexibility to the states by making them do -- by making them do some stuff that currently rhode island has the flexibility to do. first of all let me just say. >> we're not making the states do anything. the only regulations are the only ones under obamacare. >> you want to create flexibility and kick people off health insurance. >> no, no, no. why do you assume -- why do you assume that >> i'm from a state that didn't expand medicaid. states decided not to provide health insurance. this is empirical evidence that it happens. >> you are also from a state that obamacare premiums are going up. why would you want to keep that system in place because people
can't afford the healthcare? >> i would like to president to first stop trying to undermine that system. stop trying to make that happen. the president of the united states, the previous one gave a speech just today where he said you know what? there are some things that could be done. he said this many times. there are some things that could be done to improve this. but look. >> i believe that, too. >> i think everybody including its namesake, president obama. that's not what is happening. what's happening is they're saying first of all, senator grassley said that there is probably 10 reasons why this shouldn't even be considered but it is a campaign promise. so they have to be for it. you know what campaign promises don't actual provide healthcare. >> we had a referendum in the election to get rid of obamacare and that was the central promise they made and they have to deliver on that promise. >> they don't have to rush it through. this is healthcare we're talking about. people's lives. not like a goal post and time clock that runs out.
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>> first lady melania trump making a speech condemning bullying. here to discuss is margaret hoover, a former white house staffer for george w. bush. political contributor hillary rosin and scott jennings, a former special assistant to george w. bush. did you guys work together? >> we did. >> we did. reunited. >> listen, the first lady melania trump made a speech at
the u.n. condemning of all things bullying specifically cyberbullying. let's listen to some of her remarks. >> our own example we must teach children to be good stewards of the world they will inherit. we must remember that they are watching and listening so we must never miss an opportunity to teach life's many ethicals yons along the way. as adults we are not merely responsible, we are accountable. >> listen, can we just be honest, scott? are you with me? >> we're always honest. >> you find the statement ironic. should we remind her that she is -- who her husband is? this is some of his tweets, mitt romney, one of the dumbest and worst candidates in the
history of republican politics is pushing me on tax returns. dope. how can a dummy dope like harry hurt who wrote a book about me who doesn't know about me be discussing trump. crying glen beck left the gop and doesn't have the right to vote in a republican primary. dumb as a rock. >> and this week of course he tweeted hitting hillary clinton in the head with a golf ball. let's just talk about cyberbullying. >> scott and i worked in the white house for george w. bush. first lady laura bush picked an initiative and she talked about teachers a lot and reading a lot. these two issues are important issues. she was able to shed light on them in a very substantive way and put a light on the nobel work that teachers do and encourage young men and women to go into the field of teaching and picked issues that
were entire a part from her husband's agenda. anything that was confused would be controversial. and the best advice for a first lady is to stick to issues that have nothing to do with your husband's agenda and that are not ironic and not depleteel contradicted by her husbands own behavior, not that this sichbt a noticeable cause. isn't someone advising her that this is one you should stay away from, scott. >> i think increasingly we've seen first ladies step out on their own and pursue an agenda that is separate from their husband's agenda. she left office with her husband as one of the most popular first ladies we've ever had. >> she didn't really get involved on policy issues. she actually stayed away from -- >> i mean, she did.
she picked issues that were different -- >> childhood obesety and nutrition. >> but she did that and president obama was one of the fittest people to takeoffs as president of the united states. if her husband was unfit, then we would be saying well, maybe we should look closer. >> here is the thing that makes no sense, really, which is that she's been talking about this for several months now, bullying, right. and like everybody has said how dumb this is that she could bring so much more to the table, right, that she could pick a ton of other issues -- >> ill advised. i have to get to the break. >> politically dumb because she gets nowhere on it. >> it doesn't advance her as first lady. >> like i said, it's a noticeable cause, and she should be doing those, but her own president -- her own husband is
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is it the part where you cut $2 $243 billion from federal health care assistance. maybe i don't understand the part of your bill in which federal funding disappears completely after 2026 or maybe it was the part where plans are no longer required to pay for essential hell visits mike maternity care or pediatric visits. >> jimmy kimmel went on and on and on responding to bill cassidy on "new day" this morning and i don't have much time. what do you make of it? >> i'll just say one quick thing. if you out there do not know what to think of graham/cassidy, jimmy kimmel is actually speaking facts. listen to jimmy kimmel's monday log. >> do you think it will pass? >> every day this goes on the harder and harder. you can't spare any votes. you need mccain, shelley moore
capito and susan collins. >> and you don't want to take on jimmy kimmel. >> well, donald trump certainly could. >> these republican governs are probably going to make the difference. >> we're back here at the place where if this bill passes the senate it does not become law immediately. this is a much different bill than passed the house. it will have to go back to the house. they'll have to reconcile difference. there's still a long way to go before we change health law. it sends it back to the states. that's a major step forward in the eyes of a lot of conservatives. >> donald trump has got to get in it, scott, because you can't get it done with the congress. >> he's all over it. >> our live coverage continues next with john boss in mexico city. g day, ♪
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