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administration and congressional authority. similar offered by senators gram and kasz di were at the product of extensive hearings. the reconciliation deadline has hung over this entire process. we should not be content to pass health care legislation on a party line basis. as democrats did when they ran obamacare through congress in 2009. if we do do so it could be as short lived as theirs as they regularly do. too many lives at risk for it to leave the american people guessing from what election to the next whether and how they will aware health insurance. a bill of this impact requires a bipartisan approach.
senators alexander and murray have been negotiating to fix some of the problems but i fear that the prospect of one last attempt at a strictly republican bill has left the impression that their efforts cannot succeed. i hope they will resume their work should this last attempt at a bipartisan solution fail. i could not vote for the gram k cassidy proposal. for could i support it without knowing how much it will cost, how it will effect insurance premiums and how many people will be helped or hurt by it without a full cbo score which won't be available by the end of the month. we won't have reliable answers to any of those questions. i take no pleasure in announcing my opposition, far from it. the bill's authors are my dear
friends and i think the world of them. i know they are acting consistently and sense of what is best for this country. so am i. i hope in the months ahead we can join with colleagues to arrive at a compromised solution that is acceptable to most of us and serves the interest of americans as best we can. that is the statement from senator john mccain who says he will not vote yes. the proposal i want to go now to cnn political director to get your reaction. how significant is this? >> it's the ball game. it's huge. you know the math in the senate. they have 52 republican votes. they can in the afford to lose more than two republicans if they were going to have a shot at passing this. we know susan collins has been indicating she is not for this
bill. and lisa has not decided where she is yet. john mccain shifted this into this bill is not going to pass. that's how significant this vote is. we should really pause here far moment. not only is it hugely significant in the latest attempt not getting through but think back now to where john mccain is in his career and this moment in time when he came back after his cancer diagnosis to the united states senate on the last time that the senate was trying to pass a republican repeal and replace bill. he gave a floor speech. it is -- if you listen to that floor speech it should not surprise many people despite the fact that lindsay gram is as supportive of this bill. in that speech he laid out the exact argument you just read in the statement. he is not going to spend his remaining time just as the
president's man or the president of his own party or the party man that he really was urging the united states senate to get back into the business of being a coequal branch that is supposed to be, you know, the saucer that cools the passions, that has a process, the dlib rative body and he is arguing that is the path forward for the united states senate for the benefit of the country and it is that process argument that she making here that is so critical as he is trying to sort of steer the senate back to a more compromising or bipartisan kind of institution. >> it really is a game changer. as you pointed out it was his vote to pass a health care bill. it prevented that from moving forward. once again, he is coming out voting saying he will vote no because of the issue of process. it is not going through all of the hoops that it should go
through. i want to bring in phil. you have been talking to mccain over the last few days. you saw signs this was coming. >> when you look at what that not just to the kind of epic thumbs down at 2:00 in the morning but the speech that he made a few days before that, i think it was july 25th on his return after his cancer diagnosis, almost castigating washington and castigating congress for not doing its job he made pretty clear where he stood on this type of an issue. when this bill came back to life, when it became a very real thing -- and i will note it was very unexpected that kind of hit the bubble that it's had, i saw senator mccain probably three times a day until the senate left town. every time i saw him i would ask him, where are you right now?
again, think of the outside dynamics here. he wanted to know what the arizona governor thought of this bill. he put out a statement saying he supported this bill. senate majority leader asked senate finance leader to hold a hearing explicitly to address senator mccain's concerns about process. it will get a fair airing. does that check the box, if you will? even after the governor's statement and the scheduling of the hearing every time i saw senator mccain and asked him where he was on this he made very clear this is not regular order. i want regular order. regular order. he said it to all of us repe repeated repeatedly. it is a lengthy process, multiple hearings. they go to the senate floor then they go over to the house. the traditional back and forth about how it is supposed to work. this is senate mccain sticking
to what he said he wanted everyone to do in that floor speech in july not just with his no vote. i think to some degree we are all trying to read maybe too much into his relationship with lindsay gram or what the arizona governor had to say. in the end it was mccain saying what he has been saying for more than a month. it's a process. it's about doing things the way he thought congress should be doing them and this process doesn't meet those standards and now he is a no. >> all right. standby. we just good tweet in from jimmy kimmel who has been very outspoken about the latest republican bill. he tweeted out thank you senator mccain for being a hero again and again and now again. i want to go to you now. the republicans cannot afford to
lose one more vote. >> that's right. susan collins has been very negative from the start about this legislation. they are not even negotiating with her because they expect her to be a no. the reporters in main suggested she was stronger leaning. it essentially ends to repeal and replace obamacare. the republicans and administration and leadership have been aggressively trying to court her and trying to put things in the legislation. trying to urge her to vote for this legislation. she is not there either and she is weighing this and looking at the different numbers that the
health and human services department has been providing her. she has not made any final decisions yet. i can tell you that now that mccain has said no in a lot of ways it makes it easier. it takes the pressure off of them to vote for it. it will almost go down not to take that vote. it is something that's much more politically popular in her home state. it is even after she voted against that for that initial repeal effort back in july. she got a lot of praise back home. it is something that she probably would get again if she said no on this bill so you expect them not to say no but all of the pressure would have been trying to put things in the
bill. it was just a process, not necessarily the policy. you can't change it this late in the day with this deadline coming. it changes the republican agenda and calendar going forward. >> so if republicans can't get the vote to move this forward what's next? they were able to sort of revive a new bill to move forward. republicans were hoping before september 30th. if that doesn't happen what's next? >> it will be very difficult to pass another health care reform effort. the reason why is this. there is a september 30th deadline to move this because of the budget rules after september 30th they will have to approve a new budget that takes some time.
that is just the first step then they have to actually draft a new piece of legislation. if they were going to put this bill on there then they could try again for this new budget measure that would also significantly use that. it allows them to avoid a filibuster in the senate meaning they could pass it of just republicans in the senate but the problem is this. republicans wanted to use that budget procedure for tax reform which is another centerpiece of the president's own domestic agenda. now that they will have a choice do they want to try again and potentially fail or do they give up on this repeal effort and focus on tax reform, something that will be difficult to achieve within their own party. a lot of questions going forward not being able to pass health care. it takes away a key thing and they promised their own vote rs they would do.
if they give up now they have to try to do it on their own on a party line basis through this process. they could almost certainly fail on that front too. republicans tell me ton hill if they can't get tax reform done or get health care done it will be a major failure going into the midterms next year and could cost them control of congress. >> all right. standby. i want to bring in david. you wrote saying that you cried when obamacare was passed. what is your reaction now that they will vote no ton republicans healthcare bill? >> re'lief on americans who wer
on tender hooks. i did cry the night the affordable care act passed. i cried not because it was a great political achievement, though it was. i have a child who was young then who had a chronic illness, epilep epilepsy. even though i had insurance i was a young newspaper reporter then were a thousand dollars a month for her medications. i couldn't move her because she had a preexisting condition. it brought help and assistance to people who were in that position. there were so many americans who were literally sleepless. i think john mccain brought relief to their minds. that's what i'm thinking about today. >> trump has repeatedly claimed that this bill will cover
preexisting conditions. what is your reaction to that? does he know something that others don't? >> it makes coverage available. you could make a hit affordable me but it doesn't mean i could afford it. yes it would be available but it wouldn't be affordable. states have a lot of leeway as no how that could go. it is a cruel promise that wouldn't be able to be cashed in. people with preexisting conditions need to know they can get insurance at a price they can afford. this wouldn't have done that.
>>. >> and you said you believe this is more about the health of the party and not without help of americans. >> we made this promise for seven years, repeal and replace. repeal and replace. if we don't keep it there will be held to pay among our base. we see stories about republican donors being angry they haven't gotten it done. i think they were racing to a deadline that was opposed by every medical group, every disease group, major insurers, every involved opposed this bill because it wasn't good policy and there wasn't enough time to evaluate it on its merits
because they were racing for the september 30th deadline. why? because they have a political impairtive, not a public policy impairtive. i think back in 2009 and 2010 and it was never the argument that we need to do this because our base is expecting it. we need to do this because it is politically expedient for us to do that. he knew a lot might risk their careers by voting for this because it was quite controversial at the time. he made the case that we had the opportunity to help millions of americans and correct some really fundamental flaws in our health care s. he called on them to meet their responsibility. not to the democratic party.
>> and in reading it you say that there are flaws with obamacare. there is room for improvement. so what is the solution? >> one of the things john referenced is the fact that there was a bipartisan process between senators alexander and ma murray to try to deal with some of the health exchanges are having right now that are leading to tremendous increases in premiums. a lot has to do with administration threatening to with hold subsidies to which they would be entitled so they have addressing that. that's not the entirety of what
needs to be addressed. they have to opportunity to fix one aspect of this. what john mccain has basically said is let's get republicans and democrats to come up with a proposal that both sides can embrace and that would be -- he is not saying this. i'm saying this. that would be to approve the affordable care act to deal with defects it has and not to scrap it without a suitable replacement, not to leave millions of americans without coverage again. >> all right. standby. lots to discuss. special coverage continues in just a moment. the republican health care bill on the brink.
welcome back. we have continuing coverage. john mccain once again coming out announcing he will vote no ton new republican healthcare bill putting it on the brink. the republicans cannot afford to lose one more vote. alex is live where president trump is stopping tonight for a republican senator at risk of losing his seat. it makes the event a little more interesting i would say. >> it certainly does. it is hard to imagine president trump will be able to get through this rally without mentioning john mccain. the last time he gave one of these rallies was in phoenix,
arizona. there he talked at length about how john mccain a had the last attempt. both of the men that were r running this race has boiled down to who with as -- right now loouter is winning that. race. he didn't talk about how hard he is working to advance the president's agenda and how much in lock step he is with the
president. he said she excited but it will boil down to turnout. the voters are older and more religious. that is also expected to favor roy moore. towards the end of august moore was -- strange has pulled closer. it is hard to say who is ahead. it is hard to say if there has been any sort of significant trump bump. what is clear is that senator strange is excited about this rally to believe thand he has p eggs in that basket. >> all right. thanks, alex. i want to bring in david to get your sense on how you expect to president to respond.
>> what you'll recall when he kicked off his presidential campaign i don't think think he was a candidate far month yet and he sort of questioned the hero status and he had been captured in the vietnam war there's no love lost. that's clear. what i am excited to see, does he take the opportunity of the rally tonight to make it all t about sort of venting to vote against this bill or does he stay focused on getting him elected to the senate? we will see when trump takes the stage. alex was right to note if you go back to the arizona campaign
rally donald trump no doubt how he felt about john mccain sort of voting against that last attempt to repeal and replace obamacare. it is not somebody he sees in his corner. former ptd shl candidate battling this cancer diagnosis. she clearly focused on cementing his legacy. part of that is clearly about restoring the right of the united states senate to hammer out legislation in a bipartisan way, to stick to a process that allows tons of input from senators and he clearly doesn't
think that that is what this process has been about. she having none of it. >> all right. i will bring in david axelrod. i wanted to get your reaction to lindsay gram. he predicts at least two democrats would vote for this bill. could you imagine a scenario or is that wishful thinking in your view? >> the democrats held firm against the previous bills. this is not more desirable than the other bills. it would be hard to understand how democrats would shift their position based on a bill that most of the analysts and disease groups, medical groups say is worse in some ways than the previous bills. look, i'm not there and lindsay
gram is having conversations. a lot of people thought lindsay gram would deliver john mccain and that hasn't happened. now they will have to fish in that other pond if they have any hope of beating this september 30th -- this september 30th deadline. one thing i would say, he mentioned there may be republican senators breathing a sigh of relief. i think there is an element of mccain taking other people off the hook because, you know, as david mentioned he has a very tough diagnosis, not likely he will be running for reelection again. he seems very focused as doing what he thinks is right but also by doing what he is doing he is making it easier for others to vote the way they want to vote knowing what the outcome is likely to be. >> and you were the former senior adviser to president
obama. when it comes to president trump where does he go from here? is it tax reform? more deals from democrats? where does he go? >> as this bill goes down as it appears it will he would be smart to move on. >> even though this is a central issue for him in the campaign? >> i don't think -- you know, i think he has a repeated failure against the prospect of getting a win with, a success. he is focused on wins. that's who he is. this is not a winner for him. it will be less so when it requires bipartisan votes to act on health care. tax reform is a big focus on the hill and at the white house. i would expect there will be a lot of advice and a lot of momentum behind moving forward. finally leaving this i'm sure it will have plenty of blame and we
may hear some of that in his speech tonight. at the end of the day this isn't going any where. he needs some major initiative or he will have the least accomplished first year of any president in modern his rhode island -- history. i don't think he wants that. >> thanks so much. standby. we are getting conservative reaction to this news up next. for your heart...
republican healthcare bill putting it on the brink. republicans cannot afford to lose one more vote. you're getting conservative reaction? >> yeah. i have been texting back and forth with a couple of conservatives. one basically said obamacare is here to stay. he feels like republicans have lied about this over the last many years and this is where they find themselves. one of the things they liked about it they didn't necessarily like that it wasn't a full repeal. they were able to sort of sell it to other conservatives. it rolled back planned parenthood funding and they saw that as a good first step. i talked to somebody else who has been in the negotiations around this too and he said he felt blind sided by what john
mccain ended up doing here. he was upset about regular order, the process for his bill had certainly not been a regular order, certainly not bipartisan. he also felt like it is not over until it is over which means at some point they feel like they have a couple more days. maybe they can pull a couple of hats out of the hat on this. i think it will be key to what comes from the social conservatives. what will be the rhetoric from places like those as to make good on a promise around repeal and replace. >> you had quite a reaction when they said it's over until it's
over. should republicans have any hope they can pull a rabbit out of the hat at this point? >> well, i learned one big lesson to never say never, what you see in the moment as to what's going to happen. it has been the least predictable these last few years. i'll never say never, but i think david axelrod made a point it's the cover mccain gives susan collins if you look at that today she didn't sound like it would be for it anyway. republicans had backed themselves into a massive corner
here. it felt like where lucy has the football and she tells charlie brown to run at it. that's what this looked like from the start to me because they just -- they always could get 47 votes, maybe 48 votes. they could never get 50. it was always two or three or four that were a problem. there was nothing really that different from july when they failed by one vote and today i think it is very likely you're going to see susan collins be a no. i think it's more likely she's a no now than six hours ago. if it's not complete repeat and repeal i'm not for it. >> it is so interesting we think that's it. >> yeah. zb and once again they revive
something. >> it's important. very quickly, the reason they do that, it's super important. they spend eight years. literally the first sign is when we take over control of washington we will repeal and replace obamacare so they spent eight years doing that. it is not easy to walk away even when the realities suggest the math is close but just not going get there. >> and the question is sort of now what do they do? does donald trump make a payment? we'll see what happens with that. so it's -- they have to address this. i think the how will be the ongoing question. this idea that it isn't over until it's over, it's not over. it will begin in terms of how this congress tries to address health care. i think it's in some ways what
seems to be a failure is a message to republicans. it is a message to donald trump that it probably isn't going to work with only republicans. it is kind of repeal and replace. they tried it once and tried it again. again, it didn't work. they have got to figure out something else to do. >> so on that note how problematic is this to both the president and to republicans and congress as you look ahead to the next election? >> okay. so it's a very tough calculation. you have two repeating forces. the republican base is what turns out. day will feel lied to but not that he would get this done and
he didn't. he is still seen as an outsider. that's one big piece. the other big piece is no one wanted repeal and replace. they are overwhelmingly getting rid of obamacare. that was not the case. it has been a switch since obama left the white house. they want something like the patty murray bill which is a bipartisan set of fixes as opposed to we'll get rid of this and put something else new in. do they come back to that? i still think it's not going to
mitigate the fact that you're going to see angry republican base voters. i would be surprised if donald trump -- and they will be at -- they will be out in full force in that alabama primary an tuesday. i don't know who that benefits but i would be amazed if donald trump didn't mention this or john mccain mention this in his speech tonight. >> he did before. thank you so much. >> thank you. and up next, rescues underway right now in mexico day after that devastating earthquake. mexico's president says as many as ten collapsed buildings could still have people struggling to stay alive. a live report up next.
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rain is soaking the wreckage and holing back rescue crews. mexico's president says a many as ten collapsed buildings could have people struggling to stay alive underneath. with each passing hour the likelihood of finding survivors fade. despite the long hours rescuers took a brief moment to sing the national anthem. rescuers continue that frantic search. what is the situation there now? >> reporter: the frantic search
here, this is central mexico city. sit a beautiful old neighborhood where a multi-use building has collapsed. they believe dozens are in there possibly alive and possibly dead. it is painfully slow. i want to show you how this is going right now. the building collapsed at three or four stories. the ground floor is okay and they can get in there. they believe there are several dozen people forwatowards the bf the building. there was a stop work order at this building for several hours today the rains over the last couple of days made it heavier. in the last hour or two we have seen israeli crews, search and rescuers walking along and getting access and laying lots of ropes, trying to fig yaure o
how to cut into the back and hopefully cut into the cavities that may be back there and get people out who may be alive. it is just over 72 hours since that quake hit this area so time is ticking away. it is difficult for them to try to get no those people who might be alive. >> they have been working around the clock. thank you so much. up next, name calling and nukes. president trump fires back after kim jong un calls him mentally der ranged. now new threats of an h-bomb test. ite autoglass, you get a text when we're on our way. you can see exactly when we'll arrive. i'm micah with safelite. customer: thanks for coming, it's right over here. tech: giving you a few more minutes for what matters most. take care.
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well, juvenile and inflammatory insults hurl between two world leaders. will missiles follow? presidential trump calling kim jong un a suicidal rocket man. he appeared calling mr. trump a quote frightened dog and mentally der ranged u.s. dotard. it means an old lunatic. but beyond the verbal barbs is a real threat. north korea promising to test a hyd hydrogen bomb over the at lisla
oce ocean. i want to bring in jeffrey lewis. also gail is a senior fellow. gail, first to you, it seems like these two world leaders, kim jong un and president trump going toe to toe over their rhetoric and kind of ramping it up here. it is getting very personal. what do you make of that? have we ever seen this before? >> i don not think we have seen this before. it is decidedly not personal. they have got incredibly personal between two leaders who are both allergic to backing down. i do think that you see now north korea really taking this to the next level, really talking in a way they never have, first person about the united states, now threatening to do something it never has
which is to test a nuclear device outside its borders. >> that is a frightening prospect. seems the more tensions rise and the more president trump goes after kim jong un the less it will quiet down. what is your take on this about what could be next? >> well, i think what is next is going to be more missile tests. i think there's every possibility that north korea will either go with the operation where they fire missiles around guam a where they test a nuclear weapon into the pacific. the thing that was notable about the statement to me is that it was issued by him and so he put it out in his name and i think of him in this way a little bit like a spanish conquistador. he is not giving himself any route to back down. i'm worried we are full speed
ahead towards a worse crisis. >> is there any scenario you see him cracking down? >> yeah. if someone lets him go far little bit and they give our diplomats a chance to reestablish contacts then i do think we could talk about tension reduction. it doesn't seem to be what either of these men want at the moment. >> it certainly doesn't. explain what a test of this h-bomb in the pacific ocean would look like. would that be the threshold in which the united states should take more aggressive action? >> this is what is preoccupying right now. you have the japanese defense minister talking about the possibility and americans trying to figure out if it falls onto japanese territory. it is a country the united states has pledged to protect. i do think amid all of this hot
talk which is sanctions went into effect. secondary sanctions targeting north korea that are effective and widespread. if you remember back to the deal in iran, the nuclear deal in iran it is when they felt the pinch much of that happened chltd i think you may see something that is nonmilitary actually fwektive. stay tuned. >> north korea is the most heavily sanctioned country in the world and yet it continues to escalate its threats and
continues its nuclear testing. do you think this latest round of sanctions could work. >> i think we need to be cautious about what we expect sanctions to do. no. i don't think sanctions are going alone to produce the kind of results we want to see. we lould allow iran to keep civil nuclear energy. i think the problem we have with in north koreans is instead of piling more sanctions on we are going to sit down at the table and start taking those sanctions off and talk about what it will
be like to have a normal relationship. i think eventually we have to get there. it is hard to see what that path looks like right now. >> all right. thank you very much. >> thank you. and welcome back to our continuing breaking news coverage. i'm pamela brown on this friday. senator john mccain says he will vote no on the new effort to replace obamacare. in a statement mccain says in part i cannot in good conscious vote for the proposal. i believe we could do better working together. republicans and democrats, and have not really tried for could i support it without knowing how much it will effect insurance premiums and how many will be helped or hurt by it without a full score. we won't have reliable answers to any of those questions. i take no pleasure in