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be sure to watch this monday for a democratic town hall event. they're going to debate on the new health care bill and the gram cassdy bill. 10 bombs exploded during the morning rush hour. >> in an attack like this all you can do is run. >> terrorism is an existential threat around the world. >> deadly terror attack in london on a bridge and at parliament. >> and terrorism needs money to be effective. that money is coming from drugs. heroin trafficking is funding
37% of all terrorism agencies. so he may not understand that the money he uses to buy that heroin is being used to support terrorism here and tloupd world. >> 70 to 80% of the world's heroin comes from afghanistan and if you can focus our attention on the people that could cause us harm, we'd have a lot more impact. >> in this particular case we're up against the biggest drug trafficker in the world. >> as a former fbi agent and chair of the intelligence committee, i had had oversight over all of our intelligence agencies. my name is mike rogers. i have access to classified information gathered by our operatives, people who risked everything for the united states and our families. you don't know their faces or their names. you don't know the real stories from the people who lived the
fear and the pressure until now. >> on september the 11th enemies of freedom enacted a war against our country. the leadership of al qaeda supports the taliban regime. >> missile explosions light up the night time skies. night time tracers streak over the capitol. >> 3,000 americans died. taliban were sheltering bin lad laden. >> the only way to deal with these terrorist threats is to go after them where they exist. >> air defense system commanding control bunkers. >> wewent in to afghanistan as a
way of self defense as a way of preventing terrorism. the leadership of the afghan taliban mostly fled into pakistan in the area just over the border from afghanistan. >> in less than two months the taliban army had been destroyed and the taliban government replaced with transitional leaders eager to work with the west. >> at the time the basic policy was not to let the taliban come back. so there was a massive international effort to help rebuild afghanistan which had been a poor undeveloped kunchltry before it had had 20 some odd years of war. >> it had had been through the soviet invasion, sivlt war and then the time of the taliban and it's as if their soul had had been ripped out. >> almost inconceivable to americans how shattered this country was. >> the common phrase was it's
not medieval, it was very primitive. >> so the economy was destroyed. and pop as had had always been a crop. but it became increasingly necessary way for farmers to feed their families. >> translator: we are the poorest people in this area. if we don't cultivate poppies, we can't feed our families. >> it also produced over 90% of the world's heroin. so most of the heroin in the world was coming out of afghanistan. it was also supporting the taliban. >> after 2001, the taliban wanted to return to power and re-create the islamic emirate of afghanistan. >> they wanted to institute sharia law again, which is
fundamental islam and kick the americans out. >> the taliban would infiltrate the local communities and threaten everybody and say it's our way or we're going to kill your family. >> there's also a sim beotic relationship beteen the taliban and the drug traffickers. it's making it more difficult for police to target the traffickers. they're financially supporting the taliban and lugistically. >> narcotics dollars were being used to purchase weapons and ammunition to fight the u.s. and coalition. >> they were going after afghan government people, westerners and specifically americans and american military personnel. >> by 2005 the taliban was increasing insurgency in afghanistan and i was reporting that was going to get bigger, more violent. that it was going to be very bloody. it was going to get worse.
>> the dea doesn't have a war-time mission but when we started to see the link between the heroin traffickers around the world and u.s. troops being killed by terrorists. we thought it was our duty to take the people out responsible for moving all the heroin. >> it was ground breaking, certainly in a new part of the world and a level of danger we had not seen since we had taken out so many car tell heads in columbia. >> so we started the office in afghanistan and i joined the first teams in 2005. which is a dea's international tactical team. >> they are trained in paramilitary operations. they'll train with special forces, special operations. >> the dea's goals were to train the afghan police. we were learning what was going on, not just in afghanistan but in pakistan and the region. we recognize the eastern part of
the country and the nangahar province was where osama bin laden fled. >> this is like the wild west, a very unsafe place. there's mountainous clandest ien labs. there's definitely a large group of players. but haji bagco. >> his organization is extens e extensive. he had hundreds of people working for him. he had individuals that were growing poppy, converting it it to the opium. there were laboratories where it was processed by chemists, individuals in charge of transporting product out to various countries. he was a criminal master mind.
>> he had offices in pakistan, afghanistan and distribution networks in 22 countries around the world. >> it became clear that he is kind of the god father. he was really the man in the shadows that was in charge. the other people that were more well known, they kind of works for him. >> the money that he was making, the profits were going to into houses, vehicles. a significant portion of it was going to support terrorism. it was going to the hika in, i network, the pakistan taliban and the afghan tal gan. there's untold number s of peope who died because of that heroin and the money being generated was going to people that wanted to destroy the united states. so in 2005 we decided to target haji. our goal was to get evidence that would allow us to prosecute him in the united states. >> every penny you can take away
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target haji bagcho. the money was being funneled back to the terrorists. he was having the drug traffickers pay the taliban as a form of jihad and he repeatedly said that selling heroin to america was a way to kill infedels. >> it was the first time we'd ever done anything like this, going after someone quite this powerful on an international scale. our purpose was not a military strike but gain the evidence needed to prosecute him in american courts. >> there are two laws we could use. the 959 law is for anyone distributing drugs in the united states. the 960 law is a nargo terrorism law which is people supporting people engaged in terrorist activities or organizations. >> in this case it was both.
haji bagcho as a way of jihad to get american citizens addicted to heroin and supporting terrorist activities in afghanistan. >> so we just started talking to everybody we could talk to. >> dea's bread and butter is human intelligence. that's how we do narcotics cases domestically and overseas. and that's what the dea brings to the war on terror. >> but taliban was regaining a foot hold in the more rural communities which made it more difficult for us to operate. we had to conseal our identities. >> every day we put on afghan clothing, we cover up our weapons. i wore a fake beard, a big baggy black beard and a coal on my head. we rented a local car and we drive out of the base into the country side and we would meet with informants to develop information.
it's extremely dangerous. >> it's the wild west. also it's very dangerous to be a source. they were putting their life on the line every day. >> we lost many people who were giving us information. if the taliban found out people were working with the government, they would torture them, they would behead them. one of the taliban commanders carry a sword around with him and cut the hands off anyone cooperating with the government. >> but the sources wanted the best for their country so they helped us insecuring their nation. but of course we had to pay them well to get the information we needed. >> throughout it investigation we learned that bagcho was very well known in the area. he had somewhat of a celebrity status, wealth, power and the means to buy off government officials. >> haji bagcho was bribing
officials, threatening officials. he was smart. he was also ruthless. in 2006 we developed one source. fareed was an afghan national whose family was involved in the opium business in the past and could talk directly to haji bagcho about narcotics trafficking. so we had had had fareed make a series of recorded telephone calls. and in those calls he agreed to sell him in exchange for a much larger purchase of the united states.
>> haji bagcho told fareed to give it money to someone who deals with the informal process of huh wallau. >> hawala is an ancient form of banking, based on trust. and the system you can go deposit money in one city and the money can be picked up by someone else around the world. there was a system not being tracked by other governments, by the united states or police entities around the world. like a human atm system. >> so fareed knew which one that bagcho worked with. so we sent him to go deliver the money to haji bagcho's money man. he gave him $5,000 u.s. dollars.
he logged them in his ledgers and then fareed left and a short time later, he called fareed and told him he'd received his money and come to his residence and pick up the heroin. >> it was very complex, very dangerous. moving throughout the area was hazardous. the taliban was ever present. >> but the dea didn't operate independently. they always operated with afghan forces. it was part of an overall u.s. government counternarcotics plan. so they were training them on how to do investigations of drugs, how to conduct raids. >> so we set up an operation to pick up the two kilos of heroin. we had had a quick reaction for us where we had trucks with mounted machine guns. so if the source got into trouble, we could go rescue him.
we dropped off fareed and fareed walked to h had aji bagcho's compound. brick and clay exterior with large gates. bang down the gate it was met by a young man who retrieved two kilos of heroin, delivered them to fareed and fareed walked away. if we arrested him too prematurely, we were afraid he'd be released by corrupt officials. >> also we had had to be sure we had enough evidence to build the case to prosecute him in the united states. so the next step was to prove that he actually lived at the residence. so shortly after fareedeceived the kilos, he decided to execute a search warrant, flew into the area and as we were landing, i was on the head set in the helicopter and i heard one of the pilots call out that someone
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and as we were landing i heard one of the pilots call out that somebody was running from the back door of bagcho's residence and we now know that was actually bagcho. we didn't have ground forces to corden the area so he escaped. in this case we didn't mind because we didn't have the case ready for prosecution in the united states. we were still collecting evidence. so we landed. we entered the house. we detained about a dozen people. there were no drugs in the residence but we obtained some good paperwork, were able to link haji bagcho to that residence. i'd go out to the back door and saw two shoes he was literally running out of the door. >> he went to the tribal areas in pakistan. so during at the time our goal was to build the evidence needed
to prosecute him in the united states. so we focussed some of our efforts on that dart in the hopes that we would find a paper trail that led back to haji bagcho. >> we wanted to get evidence to show that 5 thousand u.s. dollars had gone to haji bagcho. so we condukted a search warrant at the hawalar's office. and it's a massive sarafi market. there's open areas inside the market. >> it reminded me of, as a child, going to the county fair. all the smells and sounds and people. kiosks, karts. it was very busy. >> and there's legal and illegal businesses going on. >> you could buy a number of things, clothing, office supplies. but you would also have karts that were full of opium based. instead of churros it was disks
of opium. lots and lots of opium. people would try and advance their career in the world wide heroin distribution operations. >> and we had had hawaladars sending money around the world in this market and each one kept ledgers that recorded these transactions. whenever we did these types of operations in afghanistan we drew huge crowds. we had to shut off the main street surrounding the market so nobody could escape when we went in and as soon as we arrive, we're a big target. a lot of the local people were on the side of the criminal organizations and people like haji bagcho moving heroin out of afghanistan because that's what had supported their families for years. >> for the farmer this is about feeding your family. >> the average income in the country was only a couple hundred dollars a year annual
income. and we were disrespecting their way of life. >> so it was a very dangerous situation. we surrounded the market. we had hundreds of people on the streets. massive mobs while we were doing search warrants at two stalls. our goal was to find the ledger to show that the money fareed had given to shaw went to haji bagcho. these are hand written ledgers that can be hidden. so we searched the offices of zahir shaw. we found the ledger and we were able to gather evidence about his transactions. >> he used the name haji bagcho in his ledger? >> yes. >> they have to have an accurate representation of who owes what to whom. so they're in the ledgers under their real names. it doesn't say received this
money for two kilos of heroin. but it says received money from fareed on this date and given to haji bagcho. so we were able to close the loop. >> what we didn't realize is that we were going to be causing a very large controversy by taking his books. not only was he working with haji bagcho but a lot of other people. so as a result of taking his books, basically we shut down the bank. it was their version of wall street. maybe the way it would have been run in the '30s or '40s in the united states but it was still a business. we were actually contacted by high ranking members of the afghan government saying you have to give the books back so that commerce could continue. so we spent a lot of time copying the information and had had to give them back because we were guests of the afghan government. >> at that point haji bagcho was
still in pakistan. so november 2007 dea fasted another search none of which showed haji bagcho was making vast amounts of money with his international heroin operations. >> in those just two ledgers we can show that he was distributi distributing over 30,000 kilos of heroin. if you take one kilo and distribute it to someone's taking the heroin and putting it in their arm. one kilo can generate approximately $1.5 million. he sold 231,000 kilos. so the amount of kilos that he had is in the billions of dollars for one year. and we know he had had more. we had sources who said there were other ledgers that dealt
directly with the taliban. so at a minimum he distributed approximately 20% of the world's heroin. it's almost too high to comprehend how one organization can supply this much heroin. the amount of money we discovered in the ledgers was shocking. he was stinking rich. and he was funneling his money to terrorist operations in afghanistan. >> we also have witness testimony talking about haji bagcho giving large sums to the talib taliban. >> when we saw the information that came out of the ledger, we understood the magnitude of the person we were dealing with. it was validation we were focusing our efforts on the right target. many times information comes in that leads you to believe
someone is really a giant target and it may not be as big as you thought. it was just the opposite of haji bagcho. he was bigger than we imagined. now we had had had to find him and capture him. with 33 individual vertebrae and 640 muscles in the human body no two of us are alike. life made more effortless through adaptability. the perfect position seat in the lincoln continental. ♪
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biggest drug traffickers in afghanistan. he was the most proliffant drug tracker in the world and working hand in glove with the taliban. he was funding and enabling acts of terror. >> so between them the information in evidence we got from the sources we ran into and the raid on his compound, i felt confident we had enough to prosecute haji bagcho in the united states. >> at that point, bagcho fell off our radar. he had had been on the run for over a year and he was in an area the pakistan government doesn't control. >> he knew we were after him at that point. >> but he was still running this
multibillion dollar drug traf c trafficking organization. we focussed on the top production laboratories working for haji bagcho. >> the areas where the network primarily operated out of was very mountainous. it was the mountains right up against the pakistan border. >> these drug labs are at 8 thousand, 10,000, 12,000 feet. which made it very difficult for us to get into unless you came in by helicopter, which we were forced to do. you also have the taliban in these large numbers staying at the drug camps, working with the drug traffickers and physically protecting them. it's a life and death thing. but in the end we would seize heroin, seize representative samples, blow up the labs while we were there and then we would use our human sources to our top
producers. so we continue hitting these laboratories with the goal of collecting evidence for prosecution in the united states. >> yet again the taliban have attempted to storm a u.s. military base. the main base in eastern afghanistan came under attack early wednesday. >> in 2008 i was that airport. that particular airport got hit several times while we were there. >> you had ongoing car bombs, rocket attacks, kidnappings. there was a plethora of danger. >> but we were continuing to run sources and while i was that air field, they had had representatives there and said head of source. so my partner and i agreed to pick up the source for them. we went out and picked them up, we realized this was a man named carry. i first met him in 2006 when we
did a search warrant. he was almost a part of bagcho's family. he often lived in his house. he aught tutored his children a involved in his elicit taevs and agreed to cooperate with the afghan police against haji bagcho. maybe he was worried about his life, the involvement of the taliban. there could have been a number of motivations for him. we put a blanket over him and brought him back to the office so he could be interviewed. >> we believe we handle and operate with sources better than any other agency. >> they were instrumental in getting the evidence needed against haji bagcho. >> he was providing information that he was present when haji bagcho gave large sums of money to the taliban. in one meeting he's with the
former governor under the taliban. they had had a meeting in pakistan. during that meeting he gave a large sum of money to taliban commanding for the purpose of targeting americans. >> we thought it would be important to get evidence from the horse's mouth and hear from bagcho. >> you can never have too much evidence. so he helped introduce an undercover police officer into the organization and the undercover police officer made direct conversations with haji bagcho.
>> they set up the deal and the afghan police were able to cover it. shortly after that, the undercover officer was speaking to bagcho and it became evident that he learned kari was an informant for the police. haji bagcho called kari and told him he would eat his soul. he was going to kill him, knew he was cooperating with the police. i called kari and told him to come in because we had to move him out of the province. his life was in too much danger. >> we got him out fast. the danger levels were all time highs. >> in early 2009 i was in charge of the jalabad enforcement group
and we had several sources out trying locate him and it was in march 2009 we were informed the intelligence service had picked them up on false documents. >> and reached out to the government of pakistan to see if they would turn him over to afghanistan and the dea. and pakistan was willing to turn him over. >> we had one shot of getting bagcho. >> that's the fatal funnel. >> it's about the worst case scenario you can imagine. >> probably one of the most dangerous places on the face of the earth.
in may of 2009 we received a great break in the case. we got informed that pakistan's intelligence service had picked up bagcho on false documents. initially i was excited but once i started to think about how the operation was going to be conducted, a dark reality came over that this was going to be a lot difficult than i thought.
the drop off were determined by afghanistan and they wanted to hand him over at the torquem gate. it's a boarder crossing between pakistan and afghanistan. it's very chaotic. 15 to 20,000 people cross over on a daily basis. no security, no one's being checked. every fiber in my being said this is not probably the best thing to do but it was the only way we're going to get bagcho. we flew from kabul, landed at the base, from there up to the gate. and it's a single road that weaves inhad to the mountains and right up to the crossing. so we would describe it as a fatal funnel. >> you had hthe mountains and te pass and there's one way in and one way out. so if you're coming in and your enemies on the other side, all the rounds are coming through
that fatal funnel. the area was one of the most daichgero dangerous places on the face thoof earth. >> it's about the worst case scenario you could imagine. we just had hto hope pakistan ws going to follow through with their end of the bargain. we describe this area as the "x". >> that is the designated meeting spot and you want to get off the "x" quickly because if somebody 36s set up a sniper, they're going to plan it on the "x." >> so at that point we were most vulnerable. we were just sitting ducks up there and the clock is ticking. time seems like it drags. mistakes were really high. it was nerve racking.
>> after 15 minutes or so two individuals walked up with a sheet. the theory is no one can come to his aid because no one knows who's under the sheet. but there's so much going on, and so much chaos that it didn't draw a huge amount of tension. introductions were very brief but these are introductions we no experience with so our trust was fairly low. so things going through our mind is this a suicide bomber? is this someone that's going to detonate and kill our agents? or is this bagcho? we moved in to a vehicle and took the sheet off and it was in fact bagcho. we quickly moved through the area and made it through the base. and i breathed a sigh of relief.
but ultimately i was not going to feel completely satisfied until we had him on an aircraft and he was heading back the united states. after we got him, we secured him in an afghan detention city. >> at the time afghanistan didn't have an extradition treaty with the united states. so it was always a little risky for us because the final approval for moving someone from afghanistan was with the president. allies in the united states has a lot of influence over their local area as an elected official. they have to watch out for the next election. so we were a little worried we could get bagcho out of afghanistan. >> so while he was in the custody of the afghan police, myself and phil kearney went and
talked to him. he seemed incredulous that he could be prosecuted in afghanistan or taken to the united states. >> he wasn't cooperative. he denied everything. he just claimed to be farmer. even said he'd never seen heroin or opium, he was not part of any heroin trafficking organization, we had the wrong man and he was guilty of nothing. i wrapped up the interview, thanked him for his time j i told him i would see him he laughed. he thought that was so funny. he told me i'll never be in the united states. were great at being human. and if all of mankind were made up of kind women and kind men. it would be wonderful if common knowledge was knowledge commonly known.
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standby. >> i directly tried to talk to him, tell him, hey, we're going to be moving you over. put your seat belt on, don't make any moves. essentially, just let him know we were in control of the situation and he just needed to sit back and enjoy his last flight in afghanistan. >> did you offer him peanuts? >> so once we moved him over to the air base, we but him in a temporary holding facility. and after ten days of baby-sitting bagcho around the clock, we finally arranged military transport to leave the country. the night we boarded bagcho to head back to united states, i really breathed a sigh of relief. because i finally knew this guy was going to the united states to face justice. >> once he arrived i made good on my prauls. i was waiting for him there at the air base. he looked up and saw me, and it
was at that moment he realized he was in the u.s. you could see the blood leave his face, and i welcomed him into the usa. i put him in my car and we took a short trip through d.c. i i wanted to make sure he saw the u.s. monuments. what they tried to inflict upon us, we were still going. he wasn't going to stop us. i would think in his mind it was a horrible time. because everything that he knew before and all the power he thought he had was gone. he was booked into metro jail in d.c. with a lot of really bad men that are in the jail there. and i'm sure it was quite the culture shock for him. and i started to exit the scene at that point. i had been to afghanistan ten times over four years. it had taken its effect on me
and many others. and i had put in for a transfer. and moved to another office in another country. and tried to decompress after all the things i'd seen and been a part of. >> so we went to trial in 2011. we had a three-week trial. >> haji bagcho was charged with inintention to distribute, engaging in drug trafficking and providing funds to terrorist organization. >> just looking at him, you wouldn't know this little man was responsible for so much death. we brought in 17 witnesses as far as away as hong kong. we had six or seven afghanistan witnesses at great risk to themselves and their families and testified against haji bauj ko. >> he continued to deny he had anything to do with any
wrongdoing. >> and after a three-week trial we had a hung jury. they couldn't come a verdict. so we had to send witnesses back, reconstitute the case, and we re-tried haji bagcho again in the spring of 2012, and the jury came back pretty quickly with a guilty verdict. >> and he was sentenced in the united states. >> i think he was shocked when it actually happen. >> hoohe appealed one, so he's down to two life sentences now. the other one's pretty rock solid. >> the prosecution of bagcho reel paved the way for future operations against foreign kingpins and especially as they relate to terrorism not only in afghanistan but throughout the world. >> the arrest of haji bagcho did not stop other criminal organizations coming in and filling the void. >> utbeit sent a message no one was safe.
if we could get haji bagcho, we could get anybody. also we denied the taliban hundreds of millions of dollars. the afghan police had arrested him and released him to the united states. >> you hear a lot about these far away places. why should we care? >> because in the end it comes back here. he talks about drawing the united states into world, the united states won't be able to handle it. and in the end we'll be defeated. if we lose in afghanistan, what we're saying to the whole islamy jihadi movement and bin laden was right, we can't hack it. that would stand as a kind of proof of divine sanction for their side. if you don't think we're going to pay a heavy price for helping them prove god's on their side, i think you need to think again.
>> most afghans wanted the best for their country. and there were many afghans who put their life on it line to help us. and that'll be for people to come after me in my career to go after the next generation of heroin traffickers. but haji's not doing it anymore. mexico is a country where every day people fight to live. all too often they lose that battle. the magnificent heart breakingly beautiful country. the music and food at a uniquel