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on the brink. the latest republican plan to repeal obamacare is one no vote away from failing. >> that was a totally unexpected thing, terrible, honestly, terrible. >> we'll talk to the senator who could derail it. >> there are many concerns that i have. >> how will she vote? senator susan collins joins us live? and nuclear threat, president
trump unleashes new rhetorical attacks on north korea's leader. and north korea responds, are new sanctions going to stop the rogue regime? and on offense, president trump blasting nfl players. >> the things that he said, we won't stand for it. >> now players are finding it hard to hold back. >> hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is waiting for kickoff. it's game day in america, president trump is facing off against those athletes taking a knee during the national anthem. quote, if nfl fans refuse to go to games until players stop
disrespecting our frlag and country, you will see -- boring games, yes, but many stay away because they love our country, league should back u.s. this debate has been raging since last year, but it was given new light when the president said this at a rally in alabama. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field now, out, he's fired. he's fired. >> the president then disinvited the nba champion golden state warriors from the white house after it's star steph curry had expressed his reservations about going. the president's comments sparked a passionate reaction from basketball star lebron james. >> obviously we all know what happened in charlottesville and then to divide that cause, and
now it's even hit more home for me now, even more, because usin to divide us. >> the first kickoff is this morning at wembley stadium in london, in that culture war battle has the president is trying to stry ing to salvage what could be the last -- graham cassidy offered by senators bill graham and senator cassidy. already two republican senators say they are no votes, rand paul and john mccain, one more no vote will kill the bill. so all eyes gaze northward to maine, susan collins, who voted nay. how will collins vote on
graham/cassidy? senator, good to see you as always, your vote is pivotal on the graham/cassidy bill? yes or no? >> it's very difficult for me to envision a scenario where i would end up voting for this bill. i have a number of serious reservations about it. i'm concerned about the impact on the medicaid program, which has been on the books for more than 50 years and provides health care to our most vulnerable citizens including disabled children and low income seniors, i'm concerned about the impact on cults and coverage. we already have a problem under the affordable care act with the cost of premiums and deductibles, and finally, i'm very concerned about the erosion of protections for people with
preexisting conditions like asthma, arthritis, cancer, diabetes and what it would mean to them. >> it you've been on the phone with other concerned senators is like lisa murkowski and also with the white house, how have those conversations been going? >> i have had a number of conversations over the weekend with a number of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle and i had a very lengthy conversation with the vice president yesterday. as always, with the vice president, he was very cord natur cordial, he made the case, he asked me to think more thoroughly about some issues, i told him about the various analysises of the impacts that concern me, he told me he would get me more numbers on the impact of the state of things on the nation. >> you find it difficult to envision any scenario you would
vote for graham/cassidy, is that a no, then? >> what i am doing is as is my general practice, is i would like to see the constitutional budget office analysis, which is expected to come out tomorrow morning. and i am worried about whether cbo's been given enough time to thorough lly analyze this bill, which has been a moving target, and even over the weekend, i was receiving emails saying that the sponsors of the bill are still changing the formula. so it may be difficult for cbo to do the kind of in-depth analysis it usually does, but that's what i would like to see before making a final decision, but it may be that cbo is going to say that this is impossible because the parameters of the bill keep changing. >> you say you want to see a cbo score, as you know, there's been
other studies of the impact of graham/cassidy. 21 million fewer americans covered. states losing $215 billion, 31 states losing money, that's from kaiser. as you know, the cbo score, even if you get it in time for the vote, it's probably only going to look at the impact on the deficit and not look at the impact on the issues you talk about, medicaid, the total number of uninsured, what information could the cbo possibly provide you that might make you support the graham/cassidy bill. >> i actually expect that cbo is either going to reinforce some of those studies you just mentioned all of which i have digested over the past couple of weeks or that cbo is going to say simply that they don't have the time to do a thorough
analysis, but you remember when the krscbo did the analysis of first senate bill and the house bill, it was very thorough in stating the number of people that would lose insurance, the impacted of changing the medicaid program and we would be making these huge changing to medicaid, without the benefit of extensive hearings and that's what we would need, so i don't know if the cbo analysis will have new information that would change where i'm inclined to head, but it is normally the way we proceed is to look at the cbo analysis. i'm going to know tomorrow morning whether or not cbo re-enforces the concerns and reservations that i already have, based on the studies that you have cited or whether c
brrbo is going to say they can't come up with the same kind of analysis as the agency usually does, or maybe there will be a surprise in there, i don't anticipate that, but i want to wait, just a few more hours to wait to see that important study. >> so it sounds like a no with an asterisk unless the cbo announces that it has changed. >> you tweeted, rand paul or whoever votes against health care bill will be known as the republican who saved obamacare, assuming that you ultimately vote the way it sounds like you are going to vote, are you okay with president trump calling you the republican what saved obamacare. >> my focus is on improving our health care system and what i would like to see happen is for us to return to the very good
work that the senate health committee was doing under the ali leadership of senators patty murr murray, we had widespread participation by the senate during the past two weeks and they were very close to producing an initial bill that would help to moderate increases in premiums or actually lower premiums and stabilize the insurance markets to ensure that people have no choices, that's the avenue that we should take. aca is a -- and the cost of premiums and deductibles particularly for people who don't get subsidies and it's a real problem for our small businesses, so i want to fix that problem, so i see the work we're doing in the health committee as the path forward, i think we should do a series of
bills with the first bill directed at stabilizing the markets and lowering premiums. >> senator susan collins from the great state of maine, thank you so much, we appreciate your time today. >> it thank you, jake. >> with senator collins all but certain no vote on the health care bill, does that mean it's over? and the president continues his tirade against the nfl protesting is national anthem. we choose real ingredients like almonds, peanuts and a drizzle of dark chocolate. give kind a try. ♪ this i gotta try ldcats 'til we die... bendy... spendy weekenders. whatever kind of weekender you are, there's a hilton for you. book your weekend break direct at hilton.com and join the weekenders.
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honestly, terrible. and i say we still have a chance, we're going to do it eventually. >> we're back and we're going to do a quick check in on health care with our panel. we have more newsmakers coming later in this show. senator rick santorum, you were one of the people helping to craft the graham/cassidy legislation, senator rand paul saying this morning, that if the block grant part of the bill were removed, then he could potentially vote for it. this comes after susan collins said she was almost certainly a no. but what do you make of removing the block grant? >> i consider that progress, we went from the horrible thing, this obamacare-lite, saying if you do this, i think that ranked paul understands every other vote that's been taken to repeal
obamacare have been fake votes, not one of those votes when that vote was cast, did they think it would ever have a chance of becoming law, if this vote, if you vote for or against this bill will determine whether obamacare is repealed or not. because if this bill passes the senate and the house, then the president will sign it. rand paul can say i'm for repealing obamacare, and all of them can say they ee're for repealing obamacare, but if it passes this vote it will become law. i hadmire your optimism, but i would say having been through many fights before, in my own experience, the path to this is so narrow, it's unlikely for success, for graham/cassidy,
that you will be talking about this with your panel next weekend. this came almost as a shock and a surprise to many democrats that there was another effort to repeal obamacare, and everybody thought it was done in the summer, but the lesson is we're going to have to keep the fight going, we're going to have to keep the message going across the country, because republicans are not going to girlfriend up on this. ri so congressman lewis, republican from minnesota, is senator santorum right, if this passes the senate, will it pass the house? >> i think it would pass the house, but the criticism in the senate is coming from the left. rand paul notwithstanding. but the match for childless, able-bodied adults. we can't go to the american people and say that is a moral hazard and we need to scale that
back, then my goodness gracious, i'll be blunt with you, jake, there's just three or four senators over there that just like to vote against republicans. >> and some democrats think that that actually put wind at the back of graham/cassidy, this is what's next, single payer. >> people like president fdr have been fighting for this moment for a long time. congressman john conyers, i was just with the cdc, he's been a single payer since 2003. republicans have been trying to re-peel and replace the aca. and all they're doing is hurting the american people. some of the projections in the graham/cassidy, that 22 million people will be uninsured by
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welcome back to state of union, i'm jake tapper, the investigations into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election continue unabated and robert mueller is making it clear that president trump's actions this year are part of his scope of inquiry including his request of james comey to lay off michael flynn. now he says he believes president trump would have asked him to do something inappropriate if he had not been fired. he was let go in march, along with 45 other u.s. attorneys. bharara hadd epersonally told h he could stay.
thanks so much for joining us. so first question i have for you is you expressed concern that president donald trump would have asked you to do something inappropriate, that's a strong charge to make, what exactly do you think he might have asked you to do? >> it's not a charge, it's just my belief from my perspective based on what happened over time and what he has said to other people, what we all know in the public record. he had a private meeting with jim comey, after he told two other people to leave the reem and told him essentially to lay off investigating michael flynn and he talked to jeff sessions and suggested is there something we can do to back off on the sheriff in arizona, joe arrest p -- joe arpiao. the president-elect called me on
the phone several times, its unusual. the number of times barack obama called me in seven and a half years, was zero. and based on what happened with these other two gentlemen, jim comey and jeff sessions that at some point i believe he would have asked me to do something inappropriate. >> so special counsel robert mueller has requested extensive records and email correspondent from the white house, including records represented to the president's discussions about firing comey, his response to news that his former national security adviser was under investigation. i'm not a lawyer, but i can't think of anything this would mean other than robert mueller is at least trying to figure out if there is enough evidence for a charge against the president of obstruction of justice, am i wrong? >> so i am a lawyer, and now i get to play one on tv. so that's great. i think everything you see from
armchair seats suggests that robert mueller is going to change down everything that might suggest a crime has been committed by any associate, colleague, relative of the president, and also the president himself, that does not mean that there will be a referral to the house of representatives for impeachment, that does not mean there's going to be a charge against anyone, but i think bob mueller, based on my knowledge of him and based on what i think my lifetime as a prosecutor and u.s. attorney indicates, is that he's going to be looking at obstruction, any prosecutoror investigator who sees the evidence that's combing forward, including the firing of james comey, including how much the president did not like the russia investigation, including michael flynn, and all of that paints a picture of obstruction and bob mueller is a fearless person and i think he's got to go there. >> pamela brown reported as part
of the investigation mueller interviewed deputy attorney general rod rosenstein about his role in firing jim comey. a do you have any concerns about the person overseeing the investigation also being a witness potentially to possible crimes committed that mueller's looking into, doesn't that seem like a huge conflict of interest? >> it seems odd. there's been a lot of controversy in the mind of the president of jeff sessions recusing himself. he has said repeatedly had he known that jeff sessions was going to recuse himself he wouldn't have appointed him. but it is odd and unusual that the person overseeing an investigation is also a witness. i know rod, and i think he's a good person, we were colleagues together as u.s. attorneys but we do know that he had some role in putting forth what we know
is -- an obstruction investigation lends to the facts of the firing of jim comey, i think people would want to know, like jeff sessions, rod rosenstein has consulted with people in the u.s. attorney's office. >> we have a lot more to discuss th about this and i'm glad you're on board now. we have a lot to talk about. a new response to the insults that president trump is now hurling at north korea's dictator. the u.s. treasure secretary, steven mnuchin will join us to discuss. stay with us. ♪
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welcome back to state of union, we have just gotten the first reaction to president trump's criticisms of nfl players who protest the national anthem. let's bring out the video, you're looking at this video from just moments ago, and a number of players from the baltimore ravens and the jacksonville jaguars playing at wembley stadium in london, taking the knee at this first nfl game begin this is sunday, more players than normally would be taking a knee are doing so in an apparent direct response and reaction in response to president trump's direct criticism and calling for a boycott of the nfl. let's go to u.s. treasury secretary, secretary mnuchin, i know you're here to talk about a
lot of issues dealing with health care reform and north korea sanctions, but president trump seems to be calling for a boycott of the nfl, because of players taking a knee for what they see as racial inequities to be fired or suspended, what is your reaction to what we're seeing in wembley stadium right now? >> the nfl has all different types of rules, you can't have stickers on your helmet, you have to have your uniforms tucked in, what the president is saying, i think the owners should meet and they should veelt on a rule. this is about respect for our military, this is about respect for our first responders, this is not about republicans or democrats, players have the right to free speech on the field, and players need to have respect for lots of people. but when the dallas cowboys wanted to put stickers on their
helmets for people there, they couldn't do it. and no the nfl players should be able to decide what they want to do and disrespect the united states flag. >> first of all these players don't think they're disrespecting the united states flag, they're engaging in a peaceful protest for what they see as racial inequities and a whole host of team owners, including robert craft who's a friend of president trump are supporting their prayers right to do this and criticizing the president's and robert craft specifically criticizing the president's tone, why is this a fight the president wants to have? >> i don't think this is a fight the president wants to have, he thinks this is about respect for the military and so many people who preside who put their lives at risk.
and the owners should decide on a rule the way they decide on other rules. if people want to talk politics off the field when they're not working for the nfl, they have the absolute right to do that. >> there are some other big pressing issues, let's talk about health care, three republican senators have expressed strong disapproval of the graham/kcassidy bill. is president trump, if -- well, let's talk about president trump, is he willing to get rid of the block grant part of this bi bill? >> what the president has decided is that obama care is broken, the taxes are going to start hitting people, the penalties are going to start hitting people, the premiums are going up, the republicans have
qualm pa campaigned on repeal and replace. last time it came very close, this time i hope it passes. >> if it does not pass, are republicans willing to work with democrats in order to fix the problem? there's a bipartisan effort between senator alexander and patty murray out of washington state. and lisa murkowski said this morning she's likely a new on graham/cassidy. >> i think the president's always willing to work on bipartisan basis, as you know, r -- i know we have a meeting on taxes at the white house on tuesday with republicans and democrats from the ways and means part. republicans on health care have put in very high demand, many
aspects of obamacare. but if they want to come to the table and fix it, we're about fixing obamacare. it's broken and it's requiring people to do a lot of things that they just shouldn't be forced to do. >> the president is expected to roll out a tax plan on wednesday and actually reporting that the plan would cut the tax rate for the wealthest american from 45 -- when you were selected as treasury secretary, you made a very specific problem, it was very quickly dubbed the mnuchin rule. >> any reductions we have in income taxes will be justify set by less deductions so there will be no absolute tax cut from the upper class. >> can you reaffirm that there will be no upper class tax cuts?
>> it was never a promise and it was never a pledge, what it was and what it is still, it is what the president's objective was, we have been working with the bipartisan leadership, we look forward to releasing the plan this week, i think what's important about this plan is that it creates a middle income tax cuts, it makes businesses competitive and it creates jobs and that's what this is all about. as it relates to the high end, there's lots of changes, we're getting rid of deductions and i can tell you that the current plan for many, many people, it will not reduce taxes on the high end. >> you said on friday that new sanctions on north korea are not directed specifically at china, but given that china is north korea's biggest trading partner, president trump has said that chandl china should do more?
shouldn't the sanctions be directed at china? >> it gives the treasury more authority than we have ever had before, it allows us to block any transactions with anybody that does trade with north korea. the president is very committed to blocking economic transactions and that's what this is all about. >> all right, treasury secretary steve mnuchin, thank you very much. president trump continuing his wabattle with professional sports stars, calling on the nfl owners to fire those who take a knee during the national anthem. we'll debate that and tdiscuss t on our panel next. whatever kind of weekender you are, there's a hilton for you. book your weekend break direct at hilton.com and join the weekenders. ♪ hungry eyes ♪ one look at you and i can't disguise ♪
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cha' they'll be the most popular person in this country because that's a total disrespect of our heritage. >> first of all, roger goodell, the nfl commissioner criticizing the president's comments, team owner after team owner criticizing the president's comments and just moments ago after wembley stadium in left hand, here with the ravens and jacksonville jaguars, all taking a knee, for those who have not been keeping track of taking a knee, usually you have one or two players max taking a knee during the national anthem. this is something else entirely. we're back with our panel. nina turner, we would love to hear your response to this. >> really we should fight for those in puerto rico who have no power. or the states in florida and those who still need help in the areas where hurricanes hit. it is utterly ridiculous for him
to pick up this fight. is he talk about the heritage that enslaved black folks or the heritage that still has systemic race inequity in america. this flag and this country is just as much about patrick henry saying give me liberty or give me death. these players have ever right to challenge the system. and that is why i reserve my -- you know, the right to critique this country, that is what those nfl players are doing, they're upholding their first amendment right and they are pushing this country to recognize itself bigotry, it's oppression and it's racism. and that is very much american. >> colin kaepernick was in the second year of a $126 million contract when he started this.
so he's doing pretty well. and nfl players are doing pretty well. but they have a constitutional right to two all of this, and owners have a constitutional right to discipline them, and that's what trump was saying, i think that donald trump talks around the water cooler, the way that people will do on monday, did you see those players take the knee? that's exactly what trump taps into all the time and a lot of people can't figure it out but he's talking to a lot more people than some of us give him credit for. >> owners have a right to chastise black men who predominantly choose to exercise their first amendment rights? >> the constitution applies to the power of government. employers cannot rescind your speech. the government cannot rescind your speech, you don't have the right of free speech at your place of employment to say i
think i'm going to recite the gettysberg address tomorrow. your employer can say no, you can't. >> is it only when black players try to shine a spotlight on the bigotry in this country? >> it does seem that the majority of the american people actually disapprove of colin kaepernick's protest. so it might be that president trump is on the more popular side of that issue, whether or not he's acting in a way that will get that kind of support. >> technically for the moment, or for the last year or so, but what this is really bringing to the surface is a lot of the debates about race inequality have been around the informal a nfl and our country for many
years. and i don't think we should make this about what nfl owners are allowed to two according to the law. the president typically should be a force for good, who is bringing about debates but encouraging them in a productive manner. so, sure, i think polling from six months ago, or four months ago when there was only one or two from a team who were taking a knee, is very different from what we're seeing now and this is bringing about activism and people speaking in the nfl and others who are speaking to racial oppression that's happening in communities, but the nfl is one of the most public places in which this is happening? >> i wish the president would have spent more time talking about health care, talking about the success that they have had in dealing with the hurricanes and the tremendous job that governor abbott and governor
scott have done. president trump can be a water cooler guy, but he's taking his eye off the ball things he can actually impact and change. we're one or two votes away from passing a repeal and replace of oba obamacare and if i was the president i would be spending all my time pubically and privately working on health care for the american people. >> the thing that's interesting when he picks this fight, i have a feeling you're right, this is going to drive people to kaepernick's side, we saw it this morning when they weren't even there. i mean i don't -- it's possible that a majority of the country will side with him, but he's probably going to beef up the support, i think you're a brown's fan, iblg not sure. >> you don't think it an
accident that he's talking about -- >> looking at his audience, it's no accident. mr. trump doesn't do anything by accident. and this kind of brew up is right up his ally, he loves all this chaos and confusion, it feeds his agenda. the whole notion of systemic racism and what we need to do to recognize the deficiencies in this country, there was just a study that came out that said that african-americans still are not keeping pace with the same wages as some white folks in this country, even still, so we have some systemic pressures that we really have to deal with as a community, as a country. at the same time we have sisters and brothers in the rural part as well, and the president is doing a disservice to continue along this track. >> i should mention that you're a patriot's fans.
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some of which are under scrutiny for flying in planes on the taxpayer dime. there's some questions that politicians might want to ask before webooking that trip. so when is it appropriate for government officials to fly on these pricey government planes? well, what about if you're the president? >> that plane, what can look so beautiful at 30? an airplane. >> yeah, of course, commanders in chief get a plane. although we should point out, air force one is nothing compared to the trump private plane. >> seat belts as web as everything else are 24 caret gold plated. >> reporter: what about health and human services secretary tom price. in 2009, he railed against members of congress taking these private flights. >> this is just another example of fiscal irresponsibility run
amok. >> but now? politico reports price taking at least 24 flights on private planes to places easily reached by commercial flights. what about travel during your honeymoon? secretary soft treasury steve mnuchin inquired about a military trip to take him and his bride through europe. >> they wanted to make sure that i had constantly had access to secure communication. >> yeah, that wasn't necessary. good thing mnuchin had withdrawn his request. here's some extra credit, how about if you have a really wealthy friend and he offers to pay for private flights and he stocks the plane as eveian and fruit juice as with senator menendez. those fancy flights along with prosecutors alleging they were part of a quid pro quo with that e wealthy friend, that might
land menendez in jail. bottom line unless you're the president or unless you're footing the bill personally, even that back row middle seat might end up causing the least discomfort. that's it for me, i'm jake 2 tapper in washington. hello, everyone, thank you for joining us. happening right now at this hour, kickoff for nine nfl football games across the nation as president trump feeds the firing flames of rhetoric, about the nfl, the nba, and their right to protest and firing players who do so. a powerful show of solidarity and defiance during the american national anthem, players, coaches, staff, kneeling, hands on