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house. so there are many needs. and nobody can really give us any certainty as to when authorities will be able to deliver the help that people need. pamela. >> so many individual stories there. rafael, thank you so much. and the "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. thanks, pamela. the nfl players association and roger goodell standing united. president trump did promise he'd bring people together. "the lead" starts right now. president talking less about north korea, and more about protests that were pretty small until trump himself stirred them up again. >> meanwhile, getting down to the while with the latest attempt to replace obamacare. our republican leaders swe sweetening the deal? then millions without power. crippled communications and quickly dwindling supply of
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necessities, such as food, this is dire situation for millions in puerto rico as need for help after hurricane maria comes more desperate by the hour. good afternoon everyone welcome to "the lead" i'm jake tapper. president trump exacerbating a contentious debate in culture wars by picking a side and doing some willingly and really rather crudely. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag? to say get that son of a -- off the field right now? he's fired. >> reporter: t the response was overwhelm objection over that. and these displays of unity and
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brotherhood among hundreds of players, locking arms, taking knees, including support for, especially support for those who have been protesting during the anthem. and keep in mind, as you look at these pictures from sunday, one week before, according to a espn tally only nine players of the nearly 1700 in the nfl were kneeling or sitting or raising a fist during the national anthem. that is until the president chose to enter the fray and called those nine men sons of britches and demanded they be fired. let us begin today, our discussion, with the simple proposition that for most americans where you come down on the debate over protests during the national anthem during a football game is not wrong per se. that those who want tic a knee or raise a fist are doing so not because they hate america, but they love them and they want the united states of america to be the best she can be, and they see too much racial in just tic
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to do nothing. people like seahawks he said he could no longer do nothing. >> every day i try to remind my daughter she matters and she's important and her skin doesn't matter. like martin luther king says, but every day i watch tv i'm reminded that's not the america i'm living in. >> and also let's posit today those who don't like the protests. those supposed to be union fify those who feel that way aren't wrong, and they have right to their feelings and should not be treated as hostile to the desire for racial justice. people such as terry johnson, a mother who lost her son in afghanistan in 2010 and spoke with us as well. >> the flag that i see is the
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flag that draped my son's casket in honor. and i see the flag that was handed to my husband and i with deep respect from a grateful nation. when i look at the flag, i see the best of us. >> let's start there. because that's where we as a nation were until friday evening. some people were protesting. some people were disagreeing with the protests. some were booing and changing the channel. then president trump stepped into the debate this way. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a guy off the field right now. >> though the original protests are about race, and the protesters were almost entirely black, and the team owners whom the president was calling upon to fire or suspend those players are almost entirely white, and the president chose to launch
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this campaign in almost white crowd in front of alabama, despite of that the president insisted this has nothing to do with race. >> this has nothing to do with race. i've never said anything about race. this has nothing to do with race or anything else. >> it is 100% true that the president never said anything about race. he did not have to. this entire discussion is about black men protesting racial in justice. one of course wonders why in the president's view a black man protesting racial in justice by kneeling during the anthem is a son of a bitch while whites marching along nazis is a quote very fine person. but i digress. white house press secretary s k earlier this afternoon said this. >> this isn't about the
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president being against anyone. but it's about the president and millions of americans being for something, honoring our national anthem and honoring the men and women who fought to defend it. >> it is not of course the nfl responding today. basketball lebron james spoke out forcefully against president trump remarks. >> we have to figure out a way to many cole together and be as great as we can as people. because the people run this country. not one individual. and dam sure not him. >> interestingly, president trump before friday had previously said, just two days into his presidency, quote, peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy, even though i don't always agree, i recognize the rights of people to express their views, unquote. and last fall when asked about colin kaepernick who began these protests, the president said this. >> i think what he's doing is very bad for the spirit of the country. at the same time, he has the
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right to protest. and that's one of the beautiful things about the country. >> that's one of the beautiful things about this country. but something has changed. now president trump wants us to be having this debate. and apparently he wants us to be doing it in an ugly and angry manner. a year ago we hosted a town hall with troops and veterans and president trump was asked about colin kaepernick. >> i want mr. kaepernick and others who are on a knee, i want them to listen to the pain that that may cause, but i also wants people to think about the pain that he may be expressing about somebody who has lost a loved one that they think was unfairly shot. >> hmm, listening to each other and thinking about what the other person said. instead of just calling those with whom we disagree a son of a britch. that feels today almost as radical concept as trying to
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unite the country instead of looking for divisions to exploit in the nasty as possible. there are other things threats in north korea, church shooting in tennessee. and of course party final effort to repeal and replace obamacare by the end of this week. senate republicans are struggling to make changes to win over any reluctant colleagues as they interrupted a senate health care on capitol hill. cnn phil lives me now. phil, where do things stand right now on the vote tally? >> reporter: just a short while ago i had a text not in a good place when i asked where things currently are. and you look where senators are and over the course of the days. you have firm nos in rand paul and susan collins yesterday told
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you on state of the union she could see herself unlikely voting for this bill. you have lisa murkowski from alaska very serious concerns. still undecided. now ted cruz conservative senators, saying what the changes that were made last night to try to get people on board, they don't get his support. mike lee as well on the regulatory side of things hasn't committed to a yes vote yet. it's important to look at the issues. they are not homogenous. you have people like murkowski on one side. cutting back on the obamacare care regulations, things like essential health benefits, price protections for pre-existing conditions, that is crucial on the state level in his view to driving down premiums. he wants the bill to go further than it already does. and worth noting if you talk to outside analysts, they say it goes a long way for states to get rid of those protections.
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if you shift over to the other side susan collins said she made clear she had problem the way medicaid is treated. and murkowski she's the ke as to whether or not this will move forward. she's made known her concerns, a lot of changes were put into this bill trying to reach out to her over the course of the last 24 hours, jake, so far still undecided. but she could kill the bill on her own. i want to note there was a hearing on capitol hill to get mccain but projected a sense of how meaningful this is to people and why the opposition is so strong at this point. individuals in wheelchairs, hundreds of people outside the hearing, some inside the hearing, protesting, then taken out of the hearing, personal issue for people. >> it's been incredible watching the disability, people with disabilities community really protesting this bill throughout the year in a way i've never
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seen before. phil, they can only afford to lose two republican votes. is there any polling out there, any information about how the public feels about this that might influence senator one way or the other? >> reporter: yeah, the optimism is like pessimism, it's growing. if you take a look at a poll last night only 20% of americans polled support the graham cassidy. only 46% of republicans, this is something they campaigned on year after year, doesn't meet the test for 54 percent of republicans polled. numbers aren't good. they still are not good. that's as much reason as anything, jake, as to why this has a very tough path forward. >> okay. live on capitol hill. thanks so much. does this change minds? senator rand paul will join me live. these one of the crucial votes. stay with us. it's all pop-culture trivia, but it gets pretty intense.
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the politics lead and republicans struggle to pass the legal effort to repeal and replace obamacare. three no votes on graham-cassidy from republicans will sink it. joining me now a no vote republican senator rand paul of connecticut. thanks for joining us. always good to see you. >> thanks. >> yesterday you tweeted i didn't run to put a cap on obamacare. i ran to put one on obamacare. i know the white house has been in touch with you. right now, they are trying to make adjustments to satisfy you. have they gotten there yet? >> well, i think they are going in the opposite way. they are trying to make adjustments to buy the votes of certain senators by giving them more money for their states. my point all along is we have a
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deficit this year. we borrow $1 million a minute. we have more that we can't afford more entitlement programs. so i think having a trillion dollar program. they keep the obamacare care spending and resufficiehuffle i that's not repeal, that basically to me is just sort of keeping it and sending the money to different places. >> have you spoken with president trump or vice president pence directly today? >> not today. i spoke to them over the weekend. and i said the one thing i am open to is they will pair the bill down and get rid of the block grants and if you want to do health grants i'm for that. and if you want to put caps in control spending i'm for that. if you want to do waivers i'm for that. but it hurts me deep inside to think of voting for a trillion dollars obamacare care tax and
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spending i'm opposed to. i went to tea parties across connecticut talking about how i wanted to repeal obamacare care. voting to block grant is it sort of fake appeal. >> what about the fact they allow states to petition to get out of these requirements, the regulations that i know you oppose, mandating that insurance cover things like contraception, maternity care, substance abuse, mental health, things like that, is that at least in your view a step in the right direction? >> i think legalizing choice is a great thing. so you need to let the consumer buy what they want to buy. the government shouldn't tell you what you should buy and they didn't until obamacare. so i remember when i was a kid i bought very in expensive insurance. the problem with insurance mandates is they are well intended. so president trump said to the
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american people you are not smart enough ile make those choices for you. but the problem have the end result was insurance got to be very expensive. so somebody making $30,000 a year has $10,000 with a $6,000 doesn't work. so they have doubled. you have insurance companies saying they won't allow it. obamacare is a disaster but we need to help with choice. so some people say it's a freedom to buy for your family. >> so senator lindsay graham had a direct message to you yesterday. take a listen. >> when you look at the bill, rand, we save a lot of money over time for medicaid. we put a cap on obamacare growth. we make it more sustainable. more affordable. more flexible. >> a direct appeal to you. is senator graham wrong? >> initial sales pitch, they were selling it to you all over washington, if you like obamacare you can like it. if you like it you can keep it.
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other thing that doepsn't ring very well, we won't get rid of it, take it from the democrat states and give to republican states. that smacks of petty partisanship. stick it to the democrats. that's why we got in this fix. democrats stuck it to the republicans and only had democrats on health care bill. now this will only be republicans. i think there is a way, for example i talked about letting groups join a group, i have not had one democrat told me absolutely no on this. this could be a bipartisan plan and it could cost zero. lindsey graham cost him trillion dollars. mine is the free market speech buying cross state lines and cost $0. i think if given those choices would abandon lindsey graham or
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his bill. >> do you think this is dead? >> i think we'll see what happens. but i think the thing is i have to be true to the people i told i would repeal it. this is not repeal. this is reshuffling of the money, redistribution of money from democrat to republican states. but if we do this when the democrats win their next election, they'll reshuffle the money back from republican to democrat states. if we have this tug of war over money, that doesn't say to me we are serious about repealing or reforming. just reshuffling the money. we'll have a perpetual food fight and nobody knows what's going on. >> so still affirm no? >> yes. >> okay. thanks for your time. good to see you. be sure to stay tuned tonight on the bill to replace obamacare. senator amy will join senator bernie sanders and bill cassidy authors of graham-cassidy. we'll have a live studio
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audience. starts at 9:00 p.m. eastern tonight only on cnn. coming up while president trump is tweeting about the nfl, north korea is one of its most dangerous threats yet. and they are threatening to shoot down american military planes. that story next. when i look in the mirror everyday. when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure? i think how much i can do to help change people's lives. i may not benefit from those breakthroughs, but i'm sure going to... i'm bringing forward a treatment for alzheimer's disease, yes, in my lifetime, i will make sure.
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their own. >> they are, jake, escalating rhetoric on both sides and real possibility of miscalculation either by the united states or north korea about each other's intentions. this is the absolute worry at this time. the north koreans making all of these statements, in fact after the u.s. flew jets off the korean peninsula but in international air space. and the pentagon responding on that point. the spokesman saying, and i quote, that operation, the fly by of aircraft, that operation was conducted in international air space over international waters, so we have the right to fly, sail, and operate where legally permissible around the globe. make no mistake, the u.s. military pushing back very hard against the notion that it was doing anything against international law. really putting on the table that north korea needs to back off on this point, that they can't obviously claim they have any right to shoot down u.s. planes.
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they can't claim that the u.s. has declared war on them. and in fact the state department also weighing in saying that, no, the u.s. has not declared war. but as the rhetoric escalates the worry about that miscalculation also is sky rocketing. >> all right, thanks. north korea can also use president trump new travel ban. said new sanctions. previous ban was 6 countries, this in won drops sudan and adds north korea and chad. unlike earlier versions, these new restrictions would be indefinite. let's bring inge jessica. what would be the main argument against it since this is not specific to muslim majority countries? >> yes, jake, they civil rights
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groups are saying it was a cover for always expected to be muslim ban and not holding back with rhetoric. counsel on islamic relations says ilts part of the trump administration ugly white supremacist agenda. the president defending it saying this ban is part of a months long review where the security procedures were probed and the countries, jake, not meeting those standards, those are the eight now being affected. >> it's strg a big effect on a supreme court case. >> yeah, it was slated to hear arguments on the previous travel ban on september 10th, that has now been delayed and the parties can file briefs addressing this latest travel ban. but all indications are that the supreme court could decide that the whole case now is moot because of this new ban. and that would send people fighting this latest ban back to the lower courts where this whole legal process is likely to
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play out yet again. jake? >> and the trump administration did not include sudan in this new travel ban. why not? >> right. the administration is saying sudan met all of the security standards during that two month review. so they decided it no longer needed to be on the list. and instead they added chad. because it didn't properly screen for terrorists or share information with other countries. the government pointing to also to the fact that chad is haven for terrorist organizations like al qaeda. so adding that along with venezuela. >> thanks so much. i appreciate it. he's one of the players stayed inside the locker room yesterday. what is his message for president trump? we'll talk to seattle seahawk doug baldwin. stay with us. weekends are my time. i need an insulin that fits my schedule. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ (announcer) tresiba® is used to control high blood sugar in adults with diabetes.
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games. this afternoon white house sara sanders says the protest has shifted away from police brutality. she suggested if that's the case athletes should take off their cause with the sidelines and not the flag. >> sara was not seriously suggesting that these players protest the police officers on the field. >> well, talk about a perplexing cleanup effort there. if there is one thing this president seems to be more irked by people protesting the flag, is the police officer. sa she seemed to suggest that she's suggesting she quickly walked it back. listen to what she said. >> i think if the debate is really about them for police brutality, they should probably protest the officers on the
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field that is protecting them than the american flag. no, that's not what i'm saying. i was pointing out the hypocrisy of the fact if that is message of police brutality that they stated, then that doesn't seem appropriate to protest the american flag. i'm not sure how those two things would be combined. >> so you see her there sort of trying to explain it away, suggesting that protesting police brutality, that protesting the notion that maybe because of the color of your skin you might be treated differently in this country isn't the same as protesting the values of the country. then you saw her try to clean it up there. of course all of this is in the broader context of what president trump had to say about these nfl players who did not want to participate in the national anthem. today sara sanders insisted that the president was not trying to signal anyone out or divide anyone, he wants everyone to be
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patriotic together. >> they are not protesting the anthem but during the anthem but aimed at other things not the flag. we should also point out president trump in our daily game of there is a tweet for it, he once tweeted negatively for president obama getting in a debate. the white house thinks this culture war is worth the fight. they are all in? >> there is always a tweet. there is one that comes into play. 2013. trump treat. presidents should not be telling washington redskins to change their name. our country has far bigger problems. focus on them. this is a trump tweet from 2013. sara saying this is not culture war. but one of these conversations head scratchers if you think how big the legislation is right now, jake.
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>> joining me asset seahawk doug baldwin. thanks for joining us. all of them were off the field deciding not to participate. earlier in september our team linked arms during the anthem. but you didn't protest until yesterday. what changed? >> just a conversation that we had as a team. you know, i thought it was vitally important that the message was very clear and concise. and i didn't know what that looked like, you know. and so for me, it was a matter of making sure that our team is unified and that our message was, again, was clear and concise. and i thought that us doing something together as a team would signify that. and in part because we are unified. >> what is the message beyond unity? i mean, is it that president trump can't intimidate you?
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is it you all stand together to protest racial in justice? what is that message? >> clearly or bluntly, i should say, is that we don't want this behavior to become a norm in our society. you know, i understand that there is a lot of different opinions and viewpoints, but what i feel deep in my heart and what a lot of people across this deep nation feel deep down in their heart is there has been a perpetual cycle of hate being spewed in the great eggs position our country has to offer, from the white house. and so i think that's a direct reflection of what we are trying to accomplish with our protest and in terms of our message. >> many in the military kmupt, as you know, interpret these protests as a front to their loved ones sacrifice even if they are not intended that way.
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listen to one mother who lost her son in 2010 told me. >> sitting down is something that is easy to do. but standing up and stepping forward is something that's hard to do. and what i would like to see is if you really see oppression when you look at the flag, then make it your mission to be proud of it. do something. make a difference. so that when you look at that flag you show pride and you feel hope and possibilities. >> now, i know you don't take a knee during the anthem. but do you understand why some military members, especially people who have lost family members fighting for freedom, take an issue with those who take a knee? >> absolutely. and i thisnk that's a huge part of the conversation is empathy
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piece of it. i'm a firm believer you have to stand or sit for what you believe in. and that's what makes our country great. and so, yes, i definitely can understand the passion and the fever that comes about when you have that symbol and that image. but, again, you know, i think it's bigger than that. to her point, if you see the flag and you see oppression when you look at the flag, you know, then stand up, do something about it. she's absolutely right. and i think that what we are misinterpreting is the people that are taking a knee that feel the need to protest, that's exactly what they are doing. they are standing up. they are being courageous. they are putting themselves out there and being vulnerable. and that's really the point of it. but it all comes back down to empathy. and, really, it's our first
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amendment right. i watched a video last night of a speech and a movie, and i can't remember the name of the movie, but it was very powerful to me. and one of the quotes in that particular part, it said that if you truly and honestly believe in freedom of speech, then you have to be willing to be in the arena with somebody who is shouting it at the top of their lungs something that you would spend your lifetime denouncing at the top of yours and not throw a punch. and i think that's where our country is right now. we are in the arena. and there is a lot of punches being thrown. but it's going to come down to somebody stepping up being the leader and not throwing that punch. looking to that person and even though they disagree with them, even though they might dislike very strongly what that person is doing, to look them in the eye and say i understand and i still love you as a human being because i know that your desires and your wants are just the same as mine. i want to grow up in a community, in a country where my kids are safe, where they are
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looked at for the character, content of the character, not the color of their skin, their actions and not where they come from. and everybody wants that. and i think that's a very simple thing to understand. and so when we talk about this, when you let me list into that exhibit erpt, that's what i hear, we all want the same thing, it's the message we understand each other, that's where we are getting misconstrued. >> one final question. the president tweeted this morning and has said also, this is not a racial issue, the issue of kneeling has nothing to do with race, it's about respect for the national anthem. do you think there is anything racial with the president's attack? >> i think if somebody believes that there is, there absolutely is. just like if you believe that kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful, then it's disrespectful to you.
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so i can't tell somebody how to feel. i can only tell you what is being said, what others are saying they feel, and i can tell you how i feel. so do i think some of these comments are racially motivated? they might be. they might be some implicit bias that our president doesn't understand, which is okay, because he's human. we look to him to be a little less in his flaws, we look to him to have less flaws then
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. welcome back to "the lead." unthinkable affecting u.s. people in puerto rico still have no power and running water. after running out of food and medical supplies. what's worst they are not sure when they'll get the help they need. cnn rafael has been in san juan puerto rico. officials there describe the scene as apocalyptic. the background is not indicative of what you are seeing, right, rafael? >> reporter: absolutely not, jake. we had the opportunity to visit the town earlier.
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this is on the south eastern tip of the island hit by the eye of the hurricane. one of the hardest hit areas. and first thing that strikes you, jake, this is a very green country. now everything you see is brown. the hurricane took everything on its path. then you start talking to people, and you realize they have been without water for days, without power as una ibl to communicate with people on other parts of the island and relatives in the united states. then you hear the story, i talked to a young man who says he's lucky to be alive. because there was a metal roof on the other side of the street from his house that was torn off by the hurricane. and it fell right on top of his house. as a matter of fact, he was in his bedroom when that happened. and he barely escaped alive. many stories of people helping each other. we saw a neighbor helping an elderly person with food. also neighbors coming together
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because a lot of government employees haven't been able to start with the cleaning process, jake. so very inspiring stories that we saw as well. >> and you return to san juan after traveling to the south eastern part of puerto rico a couple days ago. are people getting the help they need? we keep hearing these reports of reporters such as yourself coming to an area and citizens just surrounding him or her asking for help, supplies not getting there, hospitals and clinics not having what they need to help people. no running water or power. >> reporter: i spoke with someone and he told me it's not a matter of them not having enough, it's a problem of getting supplies to the people. the roads are impassable. are blocked by debris, do you understand trees and power lines. and that's the main challenge right now. if you add to that the fact that the island is uncommunicated all of the telecommunications antenna are not working, that
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makes for a very complicated situation, jake. >> we'll stay on top of this story, and we know you will too, thank you very much. a woman of two injured when a man gun downed them at the church, and we are hearing more about the church going being hailed as a hero. stay with us. ♪
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welcome back. more on our national lead. a day of worship turned dead lie in tennessee. they have opened a federal civil rights investigation after they say a gun man shot melanie crow swift a mother of two. also accused of opening fire
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injuring seven others. cnn joins me now from antioch, tennessee where the blood bath happened. any indication of what drove the suspect to target these parishioners. >> reporter: yeah, that's what they are asking. state and federal level looking into the motive. but the people at this church want to know what caused the hand who just two years ago sat in that sanctiuary with them, that he wanted to be like him one day. what drove him to do what he's charged doing on sunday, but target his former church family? >> today the doors of the burnett chapel bordered up. flowers left outside. >> that man just walked up with a shotgun, and people were
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hiding and stuff, but he shot my best friend. >> reporter: 25-year-old amanda sampson has been arrested and charged with homicide. according to an affidavit told police that at the parked here at 10:55 yesterday and quote fired upon the church. a local police record says sampson had been known to authorities sin jan with officer reporting to verbal abuse. shots range out. a mother of two was killed in the parking lot as she walked over to the suv. >> by the time i got over there he shot the first lady in the back. >> reporter: witnesses say the mask gun man shot a couple in the 80s before opening fire inside the sanctuary. the church pastor and the pastor's wife among those wounded. chaos finally came to the end of actions of 22-year-old church usher robert engel.
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church members say he doesn't want his picture to be shown and doesn't want to be called a hero. >> he physically engaged the shooter. and during the struggle the shooter was shot. >> reporter: during the struggle he suffered a gunshot wound. but then used his own post till to hold the gun man until help an arrived. and there are vigils being held right now in nashville with houses of worship all over the city. i talked to a ps tore who flew from new york to parpt. there is going to be another one here tonight. and i can tell you that caleb wants them to play for the shooter family and friends there. >> horrible story. thanks very much. be sure to tune in tonight for bill to replace obamacare. senator klobuchar will join sanders to debate lindsey graham and cassidy. i'll be joined with my colleague
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dana bash. a lot up for debate with the graham-cassidy bill tonight at 9:00 p.m. only on cnn. be sure to follow me on jake tapper. i'll see you in a few hours for the debate. i'll turn you over to wolf blitzer he's in "the situation room." thanks for watching. happening now breaking news. knee deep. white house defends president trump's attacks on nfl players who silently protested during the national anthem. the white house says not against anyone but is for the anthem. players, coaches and owners answered the president by kneeling or locking arms at the start of weekend games. deck loration of war, won't around much


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