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he has weighed in for several days, the national anthem and the players. he said, the booing at the nfl football game last night when the entire dallas team dropped to its knees was the loudest i've ever heard. great anger. shortly after that, he went to say this, while dallas dropped as a team, they stood up for our national anthem. big progress being made. we all love our country. it sounds like the president taking credit for the progress being made there. but the reality is, anderson, they likely would not have kneeled had he not injected himself into this controversy, had he not started talking about this last friday evening at that rally in alabama. of course, one of the reasons he is talking about it is because there's a lot of things going wrong here at the white house. the health care bill collapsed today. there's that primary in alabama, we're watching very closely, yet tonight. the white house is worried about the outcome of that. the president seizing on this
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cultural divide here in the early-morning tweets. >> the president also spoke about this today? >> reporter: he did speak about it. he was meeting with the spanish prime minister in the rose garden of the white house. and he said, i've not been distracted by this at all. i've not been distracted by the nfl controversy at all. a reporter was asking him about puerto rico, why he's tweeted 24 times about the nfl, 4 times about puerto rico. this is what he said. >> to me, the nfl situation is an important situation. i heard that before. have i been preoccupied? not at all. i have plenty of time on my hands. all i do is work. >> reporter: all he does is work. there was a sense that there was a tweet. seeing the images of puerto rico, about the humanitarian crisis and other things. he said he would visit there next week. and he convened a rushed meeting
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of top advisers in the situation room to talk about puerto rico. but still, he wants to keep on with the nfl. we'll see if he keeps tweeting about that as the days go on. >> the president met with donors at a dinner in new york. did he weigh in on the issue again? >> reporter: he did, anderson. as the primary in alabama is going on, he had a fund-raiser in new york city tonight. we expect him back at the white house not too long. we don't know if he weighed in because it was closed press. no cameras were there. last night at a dinner here, jim acosta reported that the president had a private dinner, said he was pleased how all this was going. he said, i said what millions of americans are thinking. but, anderson, i can tell you the white house chief of staff, john kelly, to others, they hope the president turns the page. he will when he goes to indianapolis to talk about his tax reform plan. see if he talks about nfl football, as well. >> jeff zeleny, thank you at the white house.
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maggie hagerman joins us now, and so does van jones, kristen martin. you have detail on the president back from his speech in alabama on friday. what was he talking about? >> he was talking about how well it had gone. he hit on something that mattered. >> meaning the nfl speech? >> that to him was a key moment. i don't think it was a huge takeaway overall in the day. i think he was thinking about alabama. but he liked the reaction he got. he has a habit, not unfamiliar to him. he would do this in the campaign. he would throw out a piece of chum, and see how it played. this was well received. and it's something he ought to keep focusing on. he did some tweets. he talked about it at the white house dinner. there's a number of white house aides who would like to see him move on and focus on other issues. but as we know, he has a tendency to make things about himself. >> and people you talked to
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around the president, i won't characterize who they are, people you talked to, they have re re readily said this is about a culture war, right? >> they have been pretty blunt. on certain issues where it's hard to get an answer, this is an area where people close to him are candid. and they say, this is his idea of a culture war issue. he doesn't focus on social issues. but he focuses on issues that can galvanize his white working class base again. it's unusual to hear it so bluntly. but they're candid that's where his head is. he thinks this is where the people who have been with him want to be. and this is coming right after he had this bipartisanship for a moment. amidst the alabama race he became concerned about what his voters were thinking. he was talking at the white house dinner, whether he would get blamed whether luther
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strange loses. that was on his mind because roy moore in many ways, is more of a trump candidate in many ways. >> to me it's fascinating. the president says it's not about race. do you think it is? >> it's an unfortunate decision he's made. you have 3.4 million u.s. citizens who almost got wiped off the map in puerto rico. any other president in a situation like this would be trying to rally not just the country but the world to help what's going on in puerto rico. instead he decides to pick a fight with unfortunately african-american athletes, including steph curry. apparently he didn't get the memo that dads in america created steph curry in a lab so our kids would have somebody to look up to. how do you get into a fight with steph curry when we're on the verge of a nuclear war?
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3 million americans in harm's way. it plays up this particular kind of a role that is so unfortunate it actually makes it seem like these young men are protesting the flag. these young men are protesting the national anthem. that is not what they're protesting. they're protesting the fact the neighbors they came from, there is real pain and suffering and police misconduct. this is not an act of disrespect. it's a distress signal by black america. he's turning it into into a nasty way and it still racial undertones. >> i marvel. like we're watching the same movie and having two different impressions. he loves to test things out and see the reaction. what we see is a real reaction. people are saying what is it that kaepernick meant? what does he care about? the kneeling and the national anthem, a lot of america looks
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up and say don't kneel or disrespect the flag. however we got there. counterintuitively, this president creates more opportunities for people to communicate on serious issues. obama didn't venture out and people criticized him. this president wades right in. and i don't see the -- >> let me ask you a question, though. >> uh-huh? >> why do you guys see it as so disrespectful? what happened at first, kaepernick, he was just sitting down. he wouldn't even stand up and then a green beret told him that's not right, so take a knee. in sports, you take a knee when something's injured. he's trying to show respect. why is it always seen as he's disrespecting it as opposed to -- he's doing what a green beret told him to do. take a knee. don't sit down. >> i think kaepernick said it was a protest. he's saying something is wrong. >> he's not protesting the flag. >> right, when someone has a response, why can't you protest?
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you're capper kaepernick. he was benched, when he decides he wants to set an example. my thing is, if you want to make a point, people also get to be upset with that. what i think what trump did, in politics, in alabama, they wouldn't let their guys kneel, bend down, anything. there was a way that this is impacted and i don't think it's racial as much as it is kind of who we are as americans. a lot of them are showing in the polling. americans are like don't do that during our anthem, during the flag. >> i think that's what he was doing politically, but i think that's a separate question of whether that is what a president ought to be doing. and there are understandable criticisms whether this is president should be weighing into the same way whether president obama should be weighing in. >> but the guy who won the election, everyone knew he wasn't going to
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do what normal presidents do. >> i worked in the white house for about 37 seconds, okay? i don't want to overstate it. i was there for six months. it changed my life being in that building. the weight of the responsibility. it's unbelievable. i've never had an experience like that before and i never will again. it will always be my highest honor. i don't understand why it's not changing the president. >> how do you see this? >> first of all, i see a couple things. one, one side of these protests is trying to make a statement about exactly what van said. problems in the neighborhoods they came from. let's frame it that way. but the other said and what people see on television, i'm an nfl fan. i watched this weekend. what i see is you have a captive audience. this is a game.
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this is entertainment, you're going to turn my entertainment into a political statement and force me to pick sides. if you make it that, then that's what we're doing here. we're voting. for the other side, it is about disrespecting the flag, so you don't have two sides saying, arguing about the same thing. you don't have that. look, the nfl has been so hypocritical. they wouldn't let dallas honor five killed police officers. they punished the steelers player william gay, for wearing purple cleats for members of domestic violence. but this which is in their rules, they let. >> i'm glad you brought up domestic violence because this is more offensive to you maybe and certainly to these players than all the domestic violence that the quote/unquote
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disrespecting the flag. >> who said that? >> i never saw this kind of reaction when time after time you've accused these players -- there was never this level of reaction. where was donald trump's tweet storms about it? i don't remember that. so i just want to say -- can you just not interrupt me for one second? >> it's literally when did you stop beating your wife? literally you just did that. >> let her finish. >> okay. >> go ahead. >> can i talk? >> go for it. >> the point is that people should matter more than a symbol. and that doesn't mean the flag isn't important. the point is there are people that are trying to tell you that something is wrong. for you to say i just turned on the tv does your job is to entertain me, that's not very respectful to people. >> they can protest whenever they want but not on the job. >> but they need to protest when people are paying attention. and this is the place for them to protest.
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and if you have any respect for them, just the tiniest bit of respect for them, you should stop and think i respect them as athletes but also as human beings and i want to hear what they have to say. aren't you curious? >> i'll add that it's not like the political people are dealing with this issue of police misconduct. donald trump got the car going in reverse. obama at least tried to deal with it. now department of justice under trump is going backwards. when are they supposed to speak up? when the african-americans are marching down the street it's called black lives matter, that get criticized. when somebody tweets, that is criticized, when they're on the air, on the field, when they kneel, when they stand -- at a certain point it sounds line donald trump doesn't want to hear black protests and that's concerning to people. >> you can respond and we'll go to break. >> i just don't see that, van. i think colin kaepernick is one of the smarter guys you've seen interviewed. the question is whether we need to have a movement of people that are kneeling during the national anthem.
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by the way, why can't it be we have a difference of opinion on that? why can't the kid from pittsburgh talk about what it's like to be in the army. why can't we have somebody that when i was a foster care kid and i was a product of rape? whatever the topic is, is that what the point is? i think what ken is saying is americans a a little sick of having the slicing and dicing of the groups should you have had at them that you have to understand by point of view and it's football. i don't think the president is wrong. he taps into an emotion that feels like not anti-somebody but for the american experience. >> aren't we at an age when you talk about the slicing and dicing and having stuff shoved in our faces, for most of american history, those voices were not heard. those objections were not shoved in anybody's faces. in fact, those people didn't have access to being in the military. there's people, you know, who didn't have access to all the benefits that white america has. and so, a few people have been
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able to rise up and be in a position where you all and me and everybody else, is forced to actually hear them, see them kneel. what's wrong with that? >> you just said it. we made so much progress in this country. people don't want to watch the nfl and think about how bad and wrong and wronged they are. >> what people don't want to? >> american people. >> we are people. >> you're the one saying that when they protest, they're talking for people in the inner city. where i come from in st. louis, the inner city is dominated -- >> the british national anthem, they stood for. >> they shouldn't have stood for that. >> let's take a quick break and continue this on the other side. we'll be right back. ick it? ♪ ♪ yes you can ♪ can i kick it? ♪ yes you can ♪ can i kick it? ♪ yes you can ♪ well i'm gone can make anyone slow downt and pull up a seat to the table.
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michael hader weighed in on the president's focus of the nfl. pittsburgh native and longtime steelers fan says he agrees on colin kaepernick but agrees more with president trump's remarks in alabama. quote, i never imagined myself saying this before friday, but i'm forced to choose in this dispute, put me down with kaepernick. back with the panel. ed was saying before and the idea was expressed of you're tuning in to see a game. why be forced to confront this? >> i think first of all, we shouldn't underestimate the heroism of our own cause as americans much we are trying to make a multiracial, multifaith democracy work 300 million people, it's never been tried in human history. and we do a good job most days. but the reality is i sit here and when i'm watching these games and going through life, i have a huge platform.
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i get to be on cnn. i feel frustrated that we have to pretend that everything is okay in america. we made progress as black americans and we should sit down and shut up. when i know for sure the amount of pain and you went going on in the community. when you get to a point that guys are protesting on their job, by the way, people say they're rich they shouldn't protest, donald trump is rich and he complains all the time. i don't want to hear having money means you can't complain. or they're celebrities, but donald trump is a celebrity. we established that celebrities in this administration can have an opinion. these guys get to have an opinion. it makes me so proud to see these guys taking those risks and sticking up for people who will never be heard from. if donald trump can say listen, i'm handling police brutality, i have a commission on it, i don't have to protest, that would be different. but he's going in the opposite direction. when they don't speak up, who's
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going to? >> has the president spoken about allegations of police brutality? about issues of -- >> in the reverse direction. he had a line in a speech where he fired reince priebus where he made was a quote/unquote joke, where he wanted police officers to be not so nice with suspects. he said things like this during the campaign in a similar venue. when you are the president, it's different when you're leading millions of law enforcement officers across the country, that can send a real signal across the country. you saw a lot of pushback including people from the d.o.j. saying this is not how we treat police. this is coming after a nationwide debate about police tactics. he has shown an inability to talk about this in a cohesive and sensitive way. >> the fact he did this in
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alabama, to an overwhelmingly white audience, talking about those people, our anthem, calling them sons of bitches. is that okay? if you want to start -- you sort of praised him for bringing this issue. the issue is racial inequality, that's the issue these players are trying to bring to the fore. do you see any racial component in where he did this, how he did it and the language he used? >> you know, i'm sitting here, thinking about how to say this. i'm in st. louis. st. louis, has trapped mostly black and brown kids in a bad life. he came on the campaign trail and said to african-americans, the party -- the democratic party has been 40 years, supposed to be helping you and haven't helped you. >> what have you got to lose? >> what have you got to lose? you look up and you see the national anthem. lots of people that watch. and lots of african-americans watching football.
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but a lot of the country is hurting with jobs being gone and no future and all the epidemic of opioid crisis and all this. that would become you're a bad person if the black problem of police brutality is central to this, that's kind of over the top for someone who watches the nfl. when he says that, people say, aha, he's on our side. doesn't mean he's not on that their side, too. the black lives matter guy said he's not anti-cop, i'm anti-bad cop. we're all anti-bad cop. let's get anti-bad cop. >> that's what black lives matter's been saying the whole time. >> when he says this isn't the time to protest and make it a -- >> but has the president ever talked about him being anti-bad cop? he did tell police officers to bang -- >> their heads on cars. >> unconvicted people's heads into police cars? >> does it have to say everything?
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he's not for someone who uses -- >> a police officer who bangs a suspect's head -- >> that's called unreasonable and unlawful use of force. >> also called bad humor. >> yeah, called bad humor. >> here's what i think we got to be able to deal with. yes, if somebody wanted to stand up and talk about the opioid crisis, i've been working on that with newt gingrich. on a bipartisan trying to get something done about that. there's a lot of these issues that bring folks together. there are some issues where we've got to listen. you know what made me mad today? the president said i went to talk to the veterans who are hurting and that's why i'm standing up. hold on a second. you got a bunch of d.r.e.a.m.ers who are in the military right now, he's not standing up for them or transgender. he's not standing up for them. when he got the chance to serve, he said his foot hurt. don't use our soldiers into the debate to make yourself look better. let's deal with the issue. >> the bottom line is there's
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never a place where it's appropriate for african-americans to complain, whether it's jamele hill on twitter, that's not okay. you're kneeling, you're not creating a scene, you're a respected member of society, it's an established problem. republicans don't accept there's a problem with the criminal justice system. you don't want to be shot in the back by a cop. it's pretty basic. and that's not okay. i guarantee no matter what they do you are going to have a problem with them. literally. please stop interrupting me. >> that's ridiculous. >> you demonize black lives matter. >> who does? >> conservatives. it's always however it's being done. >> any group saying kill the pigs -- >> no, hold on. that's not true. >> that is not what happened. that's just factually total false and debunked. my at some point you always find a way -- >> i want to correct that on the record.
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you never stop and listen to what people are saying and you complain about how they're saying it. >> how can it be never? >> when did you do it? >> let me ask you a different question. is there ever a place where it's not okay to protest? would it be okay for someone to get -- >> a peaceful lawful protest is always okay. >> always okay? >> a peaceful, lawful. >> on cnn right now i could say i'm here and i want to protest against abortion, i think killing babies is terrible and cnn might say, ed, wrong time, wrong place, nice gesture, you're fired. >> i don't know that you would get fired over that. but i don't think that's a good analogy. you distracted from the question. when have you said it's okay. give me an example of when you have been okay of african-americans of complaining about something? >> anytime they want to express themselves. >> a specific example. >> i'm from st. louis. >> it's always the complaint is they're not not saying it the right way. >> van, you wanted --
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>> "t" sweeping defamation is rolling in here. i've worked on criminal justice reform since the 1990s. i worked on it since i left the attorney general's office. this kind of crap is not tolerable. >> i just said that. >> and you say none of us never do anything about it. >> that's not what i said. >> some of us have been working on it for years. >> i said you're not okay with african-americans protesting. >> we got to go. >> i just want to say, i think people make this mistake. you wouldn't make it on purpose, i know you very well. there was one rally where some people at a black lives matter protest said "fry them like bacon." it was seven people at the back of the rally. that happened one time. it's been shown over and over again. i want to let you know for sure, that is not what 99.9% of these black lives matters rallies have been about. if you had a chance to go to some of them, you would be impressed with them.
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i don't want them to all be tarred forever with those seven people. >> i appreciate that. look, i work with law enforcement legal defense fund. we protect cops who get baloney charges against them. >> my dad was a cop in the military. i understand what you're saying. >> their lives are put on the line every day in the defense of innocent people against evil which exists in every neighborhood in this country. >> we don't have to have this argument. i don't want funerals. i don't want black or blue funerals. i don't want funerals. and we're going to get more if we keep talking past each other. you have a bunch of young african-american kids trying to make their country better. let's not put them all in the negative category for more funerals. i don't want funerals. we're going to take a break. quick reminder, we're going to be devoting an hour to the subject tomorrow night talking with the best and brightest on all sides of the issue, the it's a special town hall tomorrow at 9:00. we'll be right back. crohn's disease.
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oh! show me fall tv. check out the best of the best hand-picked fall shows on xfinity x1, online, and the xfinity stream app. thirsty? more breaking news tonight. we're getting results on the gop runoff race for attorney general jeff sessions' old seat. a race that is pitting president trump against steve bannon. 40% of precincts reporting judge roy moore leads the president's pick. luther strange, at 43%. the mood there has got to be jubilant. >> reporter: anderson, there's a lot of jubilation in this room. you can hear the celebration going on behind me. cnn has not yet called this
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race, but the campaign is certainly optimistic that this is the way the race is going, that judge roy moore has indeed won. the senate leadership fund which is the super pac that is affiliated, that is one that's poured millions of dollars into this campaign. this is a massive below to the senate republican leadership and the establishment. this is so much more than the republican primary in a senate race. this is latest battle for the soul of the republican party, one that has divided republicans into two camps. you have president trump who has gone against his natural instincts and has been supporting the establishment candidate in luther strange. someone who is seen very much as part of the establishment as i as i mentioned, he got millions of dollars from that super pac. on the other hand, you have
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people like former alaska governor sarah palin and trump's former senior adviser steve bannon who have come out for judge roy moore. he is someone who's very much the outsider in this race, has no washington experience, someone who talks about draining the swamp. he's much more in the mold of trump. but at the rally president trump headlined on friday night in huntsville for luther strange, he made it clear it was a question of loyalty. we know how much the president values loyalty. strange had shown him loyalty. he said that strange was a reliable vote in the senate. he had fought alongside the president against obamacare in favor of repealing and replacing obamacare. in the same event with luther strange standing a few paces away, the president mused aloud whether it was a mistake getting involved in this race at all. he said that luther strange stood a significant chance of
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losing and in that case, it would be a major embarrassment to him. so that's certainly something that the white house is bracing themselves for tonight. anderson? >> the president giveth and taketh away. >> this is exactly what we expected. look, the hat i usually wear is the conservative one. >> cnn is calling the race now for former judge moore. >> judge moore has won almost every part of the state, that's counted votes. this is establishment versus trying to tell us battle from the get go. luther strange isn't lisa murkowski. this was really moore versus mcconnell and the washington establishment. luther made the mistake of arriving in washington and cozying right up and despite all the money they could bring and air force one and air force two yesterday, the basic anti-establishment fervor going on in alabama carried the day.
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>> was it a mistake for president trump to side with strange? >> here's the thing i want to point out. twice the president in recent memory said i'll work with the establishment and it will all work out. luther strange, i'll work with him. two is obamacare. you guys will pass repeal. both went down. the president is going to realize that idea of working, bannon said in an interview with charlie rose we made a decision to work with the establishment. it's not working out. the base of the party and the base of the country is looking up and saying we may agree with you on some of your cultural instincts, but on these elections -- it's coming. the wave is coming. >> that's why bob corker retired. >> they knew he was going to lose. he retired today because judge moore was going to win. lindsey graham said if judge moore wins, we're all in trouble, and you bet they are. they're afraid of their own base. >> i've never seen people in a mission giggle more than these guys. you think that the republican
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party isn't right-wing enough? >> populace. we want less right-wing corporatists and more for the people. >> listen, i admire senator sanders a great deal, but i will say there is a positive populism that's available to republicans, and there's a negative populism that's available to republicans. same for democrats. what i would say is simply this. you're now creating a situation where you will not be able to govern. you don't have enough votes to pass the ultra populist stuff you want to pass which means you're not going to get much done. at some point people are going to say we gave the republicans a chance, they ate their own babies, they can't govern and we get the ball back. >> do you think this sends shock waves to republicans on capitol hill right now? >> yes, i definitely do. this is a rebuke of donald trump, particularly rebuke of
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mcconnell and ryan and what's happening on the hill. i think van is right. first of all, in alabama if you win the republic primary, you probably are going to win the seat. if somebody could lose it, this is the person. this is somebody who was recently referring to native americans as reds and asians as yellows and someone who got in trouble for violating the law in terms of same-sex marriage was legal and telling judges not to issue same-sex -- >> he was suspended for that. >> he was behaving in radical ways. maybe in alabama it doesn't matter. but if there's somebody who's going to be problematic, it's going to be him. van is right. this is future of the republican party, i don't see how you're going to get everything done. >> how much damage did the president do to him saying i'm for him?
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but just the other night basically -- >> we brooks in the first round. this is the second round of a primary. alabama requires a 50% vote. nobody got that on august 15th. brooks was stopped by the president supporting strange. brooks didn't make the runoff because the president stepped in and stopped the momentum. the president came in and changed the outcome in that round, but the themes that congressman brook started which was the mcconnell comparison where they were spending all the money attacking books, carried into the second round and moore is a natural candidate for this because he's already defined. the game that mcconnell usually plays is to overwhelm challengers to the establishment with money and define them as the professional politician, et cetera. they couldn't do that in alabama. roy moore was too well known. when we come back, the new development that could open the door for the special counsel to get a copy of president trump's tax returns. we'll talk about that ahead.
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breaking news in the russian investigation. the irs and special counsel robert mueller are working together on the russia probe. sources tell cnn the irs is sharing information that could include tax return data from key campaign officials. this comes after the two sides clashed over questions about the scope of the investigation, the question now is whether this move could potentially open the door for the others to share the president's tax returns with
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mueller. pamela brown joins us now. what are you learning? what is the reporting? >> we've learned, anderson, after a summer clash that the irs is now sharing information with investigators working with special counsel robert mueller. this comes after the two sides were at odds, for months they went back and forth over the scope of mueller's investigation into russian meddling. mueller's investigators wanted information on several people associated with the trump campaign, including former campaign chairman paul manafort and michael flynn, the former national security adviser. we're told by sources that the irs has reservations when mueller's team reached out because of what were seen as far reaching and broad requests for information in the case of manafort, the scope includes possible tax and financial crimes that date back to january of 2006, ten years before the russian meddling in the election last fall.
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it's unclear whether he obtained the tax returns belonging to the president, but, of course, that is still very much a big question that we all have considering he would not release his tax returns during the campaign, anderson. >> your reporting indicates the dispute between the mueller team and the irs centers on the july raid on manafort's home. >> it is. multiple sources tell us that the irs didn't participate in the raid because the irs objections. we're told the irs and the fbi initially had their own manafort probe before last year's election and before mueller was ever appointed. the special counsel's office went ahead with the search of manafort eats home with fbi agents carrying this raid out which is unusual for the irs to sit out on something around financial matters.
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there is new information sharing that is happening with the russia probe. >> thanks very much. let's bring the panel back. how significant do you think this is, kirstin? >> it reinforces the idea that they're putting a lot of pressure on him to try to get in the way you saw ken starr with the mcdougals that didn't really pan out. but it seems like they're trying to squeeze some of it. >> are you saying they are trying to ultimately flip paul manafort if he has information? >> i would say that what's publicly known would indicate that maybe it's appropriate for department of justice prosecutors to investigate it's way outside the jurisdiction for mueller. i don't think it's unusual at all to be seeking irs information in an investigation
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that might involve finances. that's pretty standard. for anybody related to it, that doesn't surprise me at all, but there is still the oddity of going back so far with manafort, who appears to have his own problems well before he came into the campaign and some of the e-mails we saw recently via "the new york times" and "washington post" where campaign people were questioning certain concerns with manafort, and manafort was blowing them off saying don't respond to that and just kind of walling himself off. he seems to be getting more walled off now. >> you think this is beyond the scope? a lot of people say the marching orders for mueller were actually pretty broad? >> the only way you count this is within the bounds of the jurisdiction. now i'm talking about the old stuff with manafort. >> 2006. >> if he's trying to get leverage. leverage isn't an appropriate
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part of an investigation. you're supposed to try to get truth, not leverage, and that's not what's going on here. i have an idealistic view, this is outside those boundaries. >> van, i see you sort of skeptical. isn't this what prosecutors do to people all the time. >> the technical latin is they do it all day, err day. this is exactly how prosecutors behave, it's exactly what they do. they get the kitchen sink and they try to get you to do what they want you to do. if conservatives think that's a bad thing, there is a movement to get this going across the board. but i think it is a weird thing for us to be picking on that one thing. i think for a lot of people, this deeper disquiet with the president's silence about the
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cyber attack on our democracy is going to get bigger over time. i know people think it's a partisan thing. it is a partisan thing because everything now is partisan. but i don't understand a lot of things i'm seeing right now. if i were the president of the united states and i was in that situation you go out there and lead the charge. i'm going after these russians. instead he's doing the opposite, meanwhile this thing gets bigger and bigger. >> when you said the president, i thought you meant the former president when he didn't do as much when he was in charge on this question from the beginning, last time i was on, i called them the walking dead. mueller is the zombie lawyer who's going to keep searching until he devours somebody. where it's 2006 or after. the idea of taking the russia attempt to influence the election as a way to take down this president has been going on since right after the election when hillary lost. and it's because -- >> you're a big patriot, though. >> listen, i said that from the point of view of democrats who
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think this is going to be their way to get him out of the white house. there's not going to be an impeachment. you're a patriot. aren't you concerned about our democracy? >> always. you bet. every day. >> more on the russian investigation next including details on roger stone's testimony on capitol hill today, the president's longtime adviser and confidant was there there. where are we? about to see progressive's new home quote explorer. where you can compare multiple quote options online and choose what's right for you. woah. flo and jamie here to see hqx. flo and jamie request entry. slovakia. triceratops. tapioca. racquetball. staccato. me llamo jamie. pumpernickel. pudding. employee: hey, guys! home quote explorer. it's home insurance made easy. password was "hey guys."
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new developments tonight of the russia probe. a former key insider to the president was interviewed today by the house intelligence committee. and then we have our own breaking news. the irs sharing information with robert mueller. congressman, i'm wondering what your reaction is that according to cnn sources the irs is now sharing information with mueller's team. >> good evening. that is encouraging. i don't think any investigation in congress or criminal would be complete without looking at the president's taxes and the taxes of other individuals who had financial dealings with russia. we have seen consistently the president denied any prior or financial transactions and dealings with russia. and only because of media reporting and investigations we see he had any interest in doing business with russia and then prior patents that were given to him in russia, russians who have
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>> most of them are pivotal, anderson. many of them were communications with russians during the peak time of russian interference. and i hope we're inspired to move as fast in this investigation and as thoroughly as it appears that bob mueller and his team are doing. i think the best think we can to do prevent a future attack is to show unity between republicans and democrats. that's the best shield. the best way to sharpen swords for the next election is disunity. >> congressman, appreciate your time. thank you very much. coming up, the "ridicu-list" is next. we'll be right back. somewhere along the great journey of self-discovery: a breakthrough. ♪
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time now for "ridicu-list. and tonight we have a public service announcement for the
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good people of green county, tennessee. what i'm about to say is going to sound counterintuitive. if you see a dead body on chucky pike don't call the police. let me amend that, if you see this particular dead body with these bloody hands on the garage door, don't call the police. if you see a different body, by all means call. but you don't have to call for this particular one because it's not real. it's just clothes stuffed with newspaper and the it's food coloring and hair gel. it's an early halloween decoration. yes, it has absolutely alarmed some people. >> there's a guy laying on his house. it looks to me like he's dead. >> here's the gentleman who called 911, just a concerned citizen wanting to report what he saw. >> i thought it was somebody. i thought somebody was laying up there in the driveway. i told them what happened. they said we'll send out somebody to check it.
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>> they checked it and they banged on the door. >> i said thank you guys for caring, but i'm doing just fine. when the police came today, they pulled the boot off just to make sure there wasn't a person. i thought it looked so real and so fun. i hope people don't take offense to it. >> no one really seems to be taking offense, not even the deputy and sergeant who received the call. >> yeah, you get the adrenaline pump. you don't know if you're going in there with somebody already there. a bad situation that wasn't. turned out all right. >> we all thought it was funny. it was a good halloween decoration. >> the green county sheriff's department has now posted this on its facebook page. attention, everyone, for those driving on chucky pike, this is a halloween decoration. do not call 911 reporting a dead body. instead congratulate the homeowner on a great display. yes, congratulations on a great display. the homeowner does have one minor problem, his halloween surprise pretty much ruined when it hit the news. >> it was starting out as a
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joke. when i had my halloween party i was actually going to dress up under there after everyone seen it, and when they come out to get drinks or something, pop up out of the garage door and scare everybody. >> i would have liked to go to that halloween party. the best laid plans often to go awry and sometimes end up on the "ridicu-list." "cnn tonight" starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. here's the breaking news. president trump's candidate defeated by steve bannon's in alabama. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. that result in alabama's senate runoff race has people asking whose gop is it any way? what is the future of the party? and what's up with the horse? plus big developments in the russia investigation. the million dollar question. how did russians know who to target with those ads on facebook during the presidential election? did they hav

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