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we're hoping to finish that draft in the coming days. and i can assure that one of the first people i want to share that with is my chairman because this ought to be an area where i think there would be broad bipartisan consensus. my hope from some of the comments of some of the companies i've heard at least comments that they are open to this type of disclosure. >> let me just state fact today. it is illegal today for foreign money to find its way into u.s. elections. so it's not leak we've got to rewrite some laws. yeah. >> i just want to get clarification on this. so, so far, have you not been able to verify the intelligence community's assessment that russia was weighing in on the side of donald trump? >> we peel very confident that the ica's accuracy is going to be supported by our committee.
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we're not willing to close the issue given the nature of the rest of the investigation that we might get a thread of intelligence that suggests possibly an area of the ica that we -- that our interpretation is different. so we're leaving it up. it's not closed. and i think any smart investigation would stay open until we've completed. >> that's again -- that's one of the things we're trying to be very careful here some of these meetings. we also know, this has to be talked through with all the balance of the committee members. we're being i think extra cautious here saying we're not reaching final conclusions till we've had those confers with all those. >> would there ever be a that it could lead to negating the results of the election? >> maybe that's a theory people
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are working under. all i can tell you is that the votes were counted. one person won, and that's how it's going to stay. >> release of your committee's report, will be any memention of what the senate judiciary committee found in its own investigation? >> we're focused on our investigation. everybody has their jurisdictional lanes. my hope is that they stay within those lanes. we talk, i won't say regularly but when we need to with the special conference and the special counsel is focused on criminal acts. we're not focused on contract acts. if we find one, we might. >> the president -- but he hasn't spoken out on this issue other than to call it a hoax. do you want to see him lead some kind of effort, speak out, do something trangible to protect the country from these what you consider to be ongoing attacks from russia.
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>> i think the vice chairman alluded to the fact that though it was slow getting dhs to recognize this, it didn't take as long as it did for last administration to run the clock on it. so we're not trying to look back and point to things that were done wrong. everybody's done things wrong. >> prospect the president now take what you're saying today, speak out against it, lead some kind of formal effort to protect the country? >> we're not aski. >> canning the president about the briefing we get about progress and assume that in any way, shape, or form fully encapsulates what our fim report will say. what i will say is what the vice chairman pointed out that the department of homeland security has taken a different posture. it's his administration. i'm sure they had his direction or his leadership's direction. we're pleased with the progress
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that they're making but some of the things that hopefully we will be able to point out will be important steps to be incorporated in their thought process moving forward. thank you guys. we've got to run. >> thank you. the senate intelligence committee chair and vice chair saying that they have more two, do, they and their staffers on the committee to determine whether there was any collusion between the russian government or russian operatives and anyone on the trump campaign or in the trump campaign orbit. the chairman of the intelligence committee republican senator richard burr of north carolina also saying there's general consensus they trust the intelligence community's findings from last january that indeed, russia meddled in the 2016 election. there's a lot more news to discuss. let's talk about it with our panel. chief political correspondent dana back, chief national correspondent john king, the anchor of "inside politics,"
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gloria borger and security canadien tate ter mike rogers. chairman rogers, let me start with you because obviously president trump has called the whole issue of russian meddling in the election a hoax. i can't find any single other person in the trump administration who believes that. they all say it's real. and although chairman burr wouldn't touch it when asked about it by manu raju, they were very clear they think the intelligence community's conclusions were accurate. take a listen. i think there is general consensus among members and staff that we trust the conclusions of the ica. but we don't close our consideration of it in the unlikelihood that we find additional information through the cop pleasing of our investigation. >> fairly significant. >> i think it's significant. a, that they've both publicly republican and democrat came out by the way, which is the right
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way to do an investigation like this, stood at the podium together and said we agree with the intelligence community assessment that said the russians tried to meddle in the election. i think what gets caught up here is the politics of it caused a candidate to win. that's where pushback happened in the press conference. we're not saying that. they also said i found interesting it was indiscriminate. some of that influence was on both sides that have aisle which is really interesting. part of that was the chaos they talked about on race and other things trying to sow chaos in america. i thought that was significant today that both parties came out and made that conclusion saying yeah, the russians were involved. they fired on both sides. this is something we need to worry about and by the way, 21 states were impacted directly by this. we're going to have to do something about that. >> gloria, senator mike warner of virginia a democrat making the argument the 21 states, there was an attempt by russians to i think he said something along the lines of test the
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vulnerabilities of the election systems in 21 states. but underlined by chairman burr that no vote tallies were altered. >> right. and they were clearly upset at the department of hope land security wit they both said took 11 months for the department of hope land security to reveal what those states were because they clearly want to get ahead of it before the next election. what i also thought was very important was on the comey memos we talked about so much. they clearly made the case this is now a legal case up to the special counsel. that they they're done with it, they're done with the comey memos and that's now mueller's point. also on the dossier, they say we've hit a wall here. we can't interview the author of it. we've asked to interview him. obviously he's in britain. christopher steele. so they've said that the two the chairman would talk to him but they cannot make any statement about the validity of the
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dossier because they're unable to interview the author of it. >> do they want to know who paid for the memo and want to know who the sources were for the steele memo, christopher steele who worked for american intelligence in the past not willing to testify to them and he's not an american and they can't compel him to. >> exactly. >> john king, the big question is not whether the russians attempted to do this. we've known they did and to a degree succeeded. the big question is did anyone in the united states help them in that task. here is what chairman burr had to say about collusion and how it remains an open question. >> we have more work to do as it reals to collusion but we're developing a clearer picture of what happened. what i will confirm is that the russian intelligence service is determined, clever, and i recommend that every campaign and pre election official take
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this very seriously as we move into this november's election and as we move into preparation for the 2018 election. >> that's not a confirmation that the collusion was proven but it's certain not a denial. >> on several occasions he said that's still an open question. collusion is still an open question. the issue is still open. that's bad news for the president. there were no damning judgments about the president or the trump campaign. let's be clear about that. nobody said there was any evidence they had before them. but the president has said this is a hoax. his team has said repeatedly, the president himself still says if russia mh meddled. they said it's happening and still happening. if you're the president of the united states, 25 more interviews this month. some public hearings about the social media. his personal attorney michael cohen about to be called before the committee. they're trying to interview his son donald trump jr. about the
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infamous june 2016 meeting and both of them standing there especially the republican chairman who won re-election because of the president's help in north carolina saying the issue of collusion is still open. that's not good news for the president. it tells you we have months and months and months to go at a minimum a huge distractions over this administration and still the open question of collusion. >> another major open question, dana bash, is the idea of what was what was the role of social media. mike warner has been keyed what exactly the russians did when it came to social media sites and why, for instance, as cnn broke yesterday, why they targeted facebook accounts in michigan, and wisconsin and now facebook and twitter will be called before the committee to testify. >> absolutely. look, this is a huge part of the sowing confusion and chaos they were just talking about, using social media to do so.
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you're right, our reporting yesterday i was told that one of the areas in which they were trying to address this in michigan in, wisconsin is targeting people who could be susceptible to anti-muslim messages saying that the muslims are going to change the american way of life. now, we don't know the exactly what parts of michigan and wisconsin, what time trap in the 2016 election. but it happened. and i think the combination of that and i thought that that sound bite you just played from richard burr, the chairman saying that the russian intelligence is aggressive and you need to look at it, looking forward campaigns is very, very telling combined with mark warner saying that they, the russians, hacked into political files. now, we know some of that is obvious with the e-mails from john podesta an so for the, wikileaks. maybe there's some we don't
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know. if you add up all of those things it, suggests, suggests that maybe the collusion part of this is open because the russians got information from political campaigns that they were able to use whether the campaigns knew it or not. >> i want to bring in retired general and importanter director of national intelligence in the obama administration james clapper. general, we also heard rid of burr, senator burr, republican from north carolina effusively praise the obama administration officials hob for being cooperative and coming in giving an average interview of two hours. i don't think i've heard a republican praise the obama administration like that ever. so kudos to you and your colleagues for achieving that. what will sprung out at you from this press conference by burr and warner? >> well, i this i first, jake, the fact that they gratifying to me obviously that they affirmed
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the intelligence community assessment judgments, the key judgments that we made so that was gratifying. i also think just to salute the committee, it has been bipartisan and remains so. i think chairman mike rogers allowed 0 that that the chairman and the vice chairman stood in front of the podium and i think gave a consistent presentation. so that in itself was important, particularly after all the months that lapsed. and i can attest that the approach that they've taken since i was one of the witnesses that volunteered to appear, they were very thorough and very objective and one of the things that i thought was remarkable when i appeared before the staff or what's called a stav interview, that i really couldn't tell who was democratic and who was republican.
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so that bipartisanship i think pervades the entire effort. the other point i think worth making out of all this is what was the actual impact on the election? and that actually gets down to impact on individual voters. and there's really no way to assess that. we didn't try to do it. we made that point on the 6th of january. we didn't see any evidence of voter tallies being messed with. but as far as assessing how any of this you know, facebook, twitter, all this kind of thing, how it tale ached individual voter decisions there's probably no way to go back and reconstruct this. you have to wonder where this was seen 10 million times or 10 million people were exposed to all this in its totality and given how close the election was in some of these key states, you have to wonder. but impeercally, i don't think
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there's no way we'll ever know. >> there isn't. it is interesting obviously, president trump won wisconsin and michigan by approximately 1% of the vote. but i was reading the report that cnn broke yesterday about how some of the fake news, some of the fake ads and information that were spread in those two states by russian-linked operatives were messages that were anti-muslim. i don't know that people who would be susceptible to messages like that were planning on voting for hillary clinton anyway. >> that's true. again, i don't have the insight into this -- into the high fidelity detail here because it would be very interesting to know. i'd be interested in the time willinging of when these various facebook ads appeared in relation to what current events were and what both chairman burr
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and vice chairman mark warner said that i completely agree with that you know, there was a concerted campaign here first and foremost and that was our first conclusion in our intelligence community assessment was to sow discord, discontent, dissent and discanuption in this country. the russians succeeded in that objective fairly well. thereafter, and of course, as far as favoring one candidate over the other, well, our intelligence community assessment said they were opposed the russians and this starts with putinen himself, opposed to hillary clinton. that started based on personal animus that putin had for both clones and notably her because he ascribed blame to her for attempting to foment a revolution in russia in 2011. it started out with a very strong opposition to her and as
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things evolved over time, support to now president trump. >> obviously, the one thing that everybody is most curious about is whether or not the senate intelligence committee or the house intelligence committee which by the way with gives a good example of how bipartisanship when it breaks down, what that looks like as opposed to the senate intelligence committee. and kudos to mike wrongers for doing it the right way when you were there. >> that clarification. >> i don't want to blame it on. >> you everybody's wondering about collusion, whether there was any collusion, whether any american conveyed in any way to these russian operatives we could use you to ginn up votes in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania or whatever. and we heard no evidence that there is any evidence but we certainly did not hear the chairman or vice chairman beating it down. >> that's true. i think that is exactly the right position to take. just as they withheld final judgment on the veracity of our
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intelligence community assess. even ho right now they trust it. but they have to hold open the option if some future information comes up which either refutes or hopefully reinforces what we said. oh i think their stance there was exactly right. and i do completely agree with you, jake, about the manner in which the chairman mike rogers and ranking member ran the house select committee for intelligence was model of bipartisanship. >> i want to turp mou to jim sciutto and get reaction from him. and just some other housekeeping notes, jim, some other items that they said that the chairman burr and vice chair warner suggested they were pretty much done in investigating the april, 2016 meeting at the may flower hotel between trump campaign officials and surrogates with the russian ambassador and
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others. also, the changing or the attempt to change the republican national committee platform. there was a representative who wanted stronger language about providing weapons to the ukrainians as they fought russians or russian-tied separatists. and they said they were close to finishing up with that. what struck you the most from this, jim? >> well, it is important to note that on those two key questions we've done a lot of reporting on that, with the may flower meeting the question was was there an undisclosed substantive meeting between trump officials including jeff sessions and the russian ambassador. he seemed to hint they had closed the door on that, that au seven people they talked to described in the same terms. changing the platform was something that members were curious about.
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he did seem to say they were satisfied with the explanation there, that the trump team wanted to find some sort of balance to be a strong ali he said to ukraine while leaving the door open to better relations with russia. on two other questions, in effect, the gop chairman of this committee in effect contradicted the president and said the findings as you noted earlier as the intel community found that russia meddled they agree with those findings and on the collusion questions, there were multiple answers he could have given. he could said we looked into it and found no evidence. he could have said we're looking into it and as of yet have found no evidence. he didn't say that either. he aid we're still looking into it and have look into that question. that is not an answer the president wanted. one final thing and director clapper said this to me multiple times last year before he left his position, russia has not stopped these attacks. a clear warning there to republicans and democrats alike as 201 and 2020 comes, his words
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were, you'd have to be crazy to imagine that russia is not going to continue these attacks and they are. when i speak to members of both committees, hill, house and senate, that is a warning they give me repeatedly that the intelligence they are seeing shows that russia copies these probe be attacks. the xwig question is yes this he did not affect tallies this time. will they attempt to do so in future elections. that is an very much an open question into there are elections in the commonwealth of virginia and elsewhere around the country. there were specific warnings to any campaign operatives to be on their guard. you've been watching cnn's special coverage of the senate intelligence committee's press conference when it comes to the russia investigation and possible collusion between any members of the trump campaign and the russian government. i'm going to throw it to anderson cooper mou who is live in las vegas. >> jake, thanks very much. i want to welcome viewers here in the united states and also watching around the world right
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now. as survivors continue to fight for their lives after worst mass shooting in modern u.s. history here in las vegas. we want to start with breaking news about the gunman's girlfriend. marilou danley is considered a person of interest in this case and the las vegas sheriff just revealed that fbi agents are going to be questioning her any minute now. danley was in the philippines at the time of the shooting. her family is now saying that the gunman told her to go to the philippines likely so she couldn't interfere with his plan to kill as many people as possible according to the family. meanwhile, president trump is here meeting with survivors and he'll meet with several doctors and nurses and first responders. police officers. just before leaving washington, however, the president teased that new information about the shooter, about the shooter would be forthcoming. here's what he said. >> they're learning a lot more. and that will be announced at the appropriate time. it's a very, very sad day for
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me. personally. thank you. one answer we hope to learn soon is why. you see this was not a crime of opportunity. this was obviously meticulously planned, mass murder was the intention. the shooter had 23 weapons in his hotel room. at his home in mesquite, in, had he another 19 firearms, exploivs, thousands of rounds of ammunition. at a separate home in reno, he had seven guns and more ammunition. and in his car investigators found ammonium night trait a chemical that can be used to make bombs. there's a lot to talk about what's happening here in las vegas. senior white house correspondent jim acosta is traveling with president and joins us now. talk about exactly what the president is going to be doing in his time here. >> reporter: well, anderson, the president and the first lady just went inside the university medical center. they're going to be meeting with doctors and nurses. even some of the survivors of
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this mass shooting that took place on the las vegas strip. what we don't have is sort of a tick-tock play by play what the president will be doing inside the hospital. the white house very purposefully has essentially made this a closed press event. there are no cameras inside. no tv cameras, no press cameras inside with the president as he goes and vifs these folks inside the hospital. we may see some white house official photos later on today. but it is a big contrast with what we saw yesterday when the president was in puerto rico. there were cameras with him at nearly every turn. as you au throughout the day yesterday, the president had some moments that didn't trik the right tone. this is obviously a very, very delicate situation in las vegas. i think because of that, the white house has chosen 0 keep this much more under wraps. they'rer on after he leaves the hospital, he will be meeting with law enforcement first responders, members of congress, other local officials here in las vegas. at that point, we may hear from
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the president but as you heard earlier this morning as he was leaving the white house, he did indicate that there may be some new information coming out in this investigation. one thing we don't expect to hear from the president today unless he's asked the question is this discussion of gun control. white house has been making it very clear they don't want to have that conversation right now. they even put out talking points to surrogates all around the country and around washington essentially urging those surrogates to go on tv, talk to the press and say now is not the time to talk about gun control. of course, anderson as you know, covering this president, he doesn't always wait for the facts to come in. in this case, this visit to the hospital is very much under wraps. it does appear at least at this point that they're being much more cautious in how the president handles this, anderson. >> so is he going to have any public event where he speaks
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publicly? >> reporter: at this point, we don't have that locked down. we don't expect him to make any sort of formal remarks here. as we've seen in these types of situations if there's a camera rolling in a situation where he could be asked a question, obviously, that changes things. now, we should point out, all of this is occurring as there was sort of a political tempest brewing back in washington with the secretary of state coming before cameras being asked whether or not he had call the president a moron. i can tell you, anderson, that the press secretary sara sanders told reporters on air force one as they were landing here in las vegas that the president continues to have confidence in the secretary of state. however, she put it in sort of cryptic terms. she said well, you know, the president expreys confidence in all of his cabinet members until they're no longer in those positions. not exactly a ringing endorsement for the secretary of state. it will be very interesting if
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the cameras are on anywhere near the president if he's asked that question, how he responds to that. obviously there are the russia questions circulating back in washington, that press conference held a few moments ago with the two ranking members of the senate intelligence committee. president made it very clear he feels the russia investigation is a hoax. that's not how those members of congress expressed that in the last several minutes. if he does speak to the cameras, we'll know pretty quickly here. at this point, no set plan for that to happen. but with this president, all bets are off in terms of expecting what exactly he'll do moment by moment, anderson. >> yeah. jim, appreciate that. thanks very much. we're learning a lot more this hour about the shooter's stunning arsenal. pictures that were taken from inside the shooter's hotel room shortly after police breached the door. the police have verified the sheriff's department verified the pictures are legitimate and launched an investigation see how they leaked out. you can see guns and shell
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casings littered across the floor. at least 12 of the guns found had fire bump stocks an accessory that can turn a semi-automatic weapon into an automatic weapon especially a work around around the law. it's perfectly legal to buy in the u.s. if the pictures alone don't give you a sense of exactly what first sfopders were up against when they cape to that room, wat to put you in their shoes to give you an idea. what you're about to see is police body cam footage taken as this massacre unfolded released by police in the press conference around 9:00 last night. let's take a look. >> right here. >> that's fire arms. >> not gunshots. >> go that way. go that way.
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>> hey, they're shooting right at us. of stay down. stay down. >> where is it at? >> coming out a window. >> mandalay bay, coming out of a window. >> go back, go back! >> get back. >> get down. >> get down. >> get back. >> i know you are. i know. >> get in there. get in there. >> we see shots from the mandalay bay. from mandalay bay. i can see the room. >> everybody get down, get down, get down.
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>> what? >>. >> it's not firecrackers? >> no. >> get down, get down.. >> it's not firecrackers? >> no. >> get down, get down.. >> it's not firecrackers? >> no. >> get down, get down. >> it's not firecrackers? >> no. >> get down, get down.>> it's n? >> no. >> get down, get down. what? >> where are you? >> over there. >> where are you? >> go, go. >>. >> this way, this way. >> go, go, go, go. >> just some of the body cam i think that were released last night. obviously, there's a lot more ips for law enforcement to go through. and as you know, the shooter himself had rigged up cameras in the hallways outside his room and also one through the
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peephole in the door. i want to live to brian todd also here in vegas following every twist and turn of this investigation. brian, there's probably more we don't know than we do know. laurp was talking about that last night. we just learned the fbi is questioning the gunman's girlfriend this hour. do we know, obviously we know they're hoping to get information from her do we know what she may actually know or what they may actually learn? >> anderson, she is going to be crucial to this investigation. but we're getting varying accounts of what she may know. she could speak to his motive in this, maybe his movements in the weeks and months leading up to the shooting. she could speak to his mind-set. according to her sisters, the sisters say that the sisters spoke from the philippines and say she didn't know about the attack, that he sent her to the philippines because he bought a
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cheap ticket for her. he was sending her away so that he could plan this attack, that's what they believe. the sister told another news outlet, one of her brothers told another news out let she "has a clean conscience about what happened." you're getting endy kags from her family possibly she did in the know some of the details about this attack. however, anderson, she did spend a lot of time with him. she was his girlfriend for a number of years and could possibly speak to his accumulation of weapons. we've gotten information from law enforcement sources that he aclocated weapons over the past 20 years. they've recovered at least 47 guns from three different locations connected to the shooting, the hotel and two proffers, one in mesquite nevada and one in verde, nevada. 47 guns recovered from those three locations. he accumulated guns over a-year period. the girlfriend, you would think she would know something about the accumulation of weapons and
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possibly his mind-set. other questions we're asking law enforcement, anderson, how did he get trained to fire these weapons. did he train himself, did he go to gun ranges. officials have not really answered that question directly. you get the impression they're still trying to piece that together. you mentioned i think a moment ago about the cameras. that speaks to what law enforcement officers do keep hitting at with us when we speak to them. the meticulous nature of the planning of this attack. they said he had cameras inside the room, in the peephole looking out the hallway, outside the room and on a service cart. when asked what he was using those for, the sheriff of clark county joe lombardo said they believe he was trying to ascertain whether law enforcement officials were trying to get him. the planning of the attack is thing they keep hitting on but we're trying to get more details how meticulously he did plan
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this attack. >> one of the things that came out of the press conference last night was kind of a clearer view of the time line. there's still a lot we cope note about the time it took took for the s.w.a.t. team to breach the door. authors were saying though there was a gap between the time the first responding officers and the hotel security arrived on the scene and pound the room, and one of those hotel security was shot according to law enforcement, there was a time gap between when the s.w.a.t. team showed up. importantly what we learned last night, the shooter had actually stopped firing into the crowd once the first responders, he had that first interaction with the first team of police officers and hotel security. so then it turned beak in the mind of law enforcement from an active shooter situation which according to their rules would have meant entering the rap as quickly as possible to try to neutralize him into a barricade
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situation because he wasn't continuing to fire, they felt like they could wait for s.w.a.t. to arrive that's right. you put it together perfectly. they did say they got reports of the first reports of shots fired at 10:08 p.m. local time. they said he then fired 0 on and off for between nine and 11 minutes. then the shooting stopped. they treated like a barricade situation. some law enforcement officers approached the room and he fired on them injurying that very brave security guard. at that point, there was a bit i've gap when s.w.a.t. team members found him dead. so again, we're trying to get more detail on that gap, how big a gap was it. you know, what really told them for sure that this attack was completely over. i mean, yes the shots did stop firing at some point but how could they be completely certain that an attack had concluded. could he have been reloading, could something else have been going on. so you know, it is interesting
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that when they give that detail and it's really just doubly shocking, he fired on and off for only nine to 11 minutes, it doesn't like a lot of time. you heard the rapid of the fire. there's a lot of damage that can be done in nine to 11 minutes with ammunition like that. >> a packed crowd of 20,000 people. we'll check with you in the coming hours. the girlfriend expected to at the fbi office any moment from now. plus the president is meeting with survivors and first responders. we'll see that video as soon as, as well. there's a lot ahead. stay with us. [woman 1] oh, it's fine. [woman 2] yeah, totally. it's fine. but it fine though? because, i would maybe be worried...really, really, really worried. you want me to go back and look for it? i will. i mean a lot of bad things could happen. you need to call the bank. i don't know how else to tell you, you need to shut that card off-- [woman 1] it's off.
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to nevada last year. before that, he lived in central florida not far from his brother and mom. our senior investigative correspondent drew griffin is live in orlando picking up the trail. you've been at the courthouse digging through records. have you found anything that could explain a possible motive or fill in the blanks here? >> reporter: no, and it's somewhat remarkable. this is what has, i'm going to be very frank, the pro second amendment people very concerned. there doesn't appear to be at this time any warning signs any triggers missed. anything that would check the normal boxes that would have prevented this killer from obtaining all the weapons that he obtained so far legally anderson. all the ammunition that he obtained so far as we know legally, anderson and even that modification that was on 12 of his semi-automatic rifles that were able to basically legally now turn those semi-automatic
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rifles into a machine gun. we did have video of what one of those manufacturers it's called a slide stock or bump stock what that does to an actual semi-automatic leely purchase weapon. and the video just shows the stream of bullets coming out very similar to what we were hearing from all that happened at mandalay bay. so that's where the investigation on the motive is becoming so so tedious and so far without any answers. but also, as this moves to this whether or not we do anything at this time to look to see to ban or limit any kind of guns, why it's so troubling i think for the pro second amendment folks who are basically saying only criminals should get guns and we have laws to enforce to keep those cs from getting those guns anderson? >> drew griffin, appreciate that from orlando.
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continuing with the investigation on ha side of the coast. i want to show you live pictures from the university medical center in las vegas where president trump is currently meeting with some of the 527 people injured in the shooting who are still hospitalized and others who have come to meet with the president. much more when we come back. this is electricity. ♪ this is a power plant. this is tim barckholtz. that's me! this is something he is researching at exxonmobil: using fuel cells to capture carbon emissions at power plants. this is the potential. reducing co2 emissions by up to 90%... while also producing more power. this could be big. energy lives here.
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welcome back to las vegas. the city that is still in shock and mourning. major headlines coming out of the city this hour as the investigation into the country's deadliest shooting continues. any minute, we are told the fbi will begin questioning the shooter's girlfriend. she was in the philippines at the time of the attack. but police consider her a person of interest. we are also learning more about the sheer number and type of weapons used by the gunman. according to police, at least 12 of the guns found in the hotel room had fire bump stocks on them which is an accessory that can turn an semi-automatic
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weapon into an automatic weapon. it's perfectly legal to buy them in the united states. i want to talk more about the investigation. joining us is sara sidner and law enforcement analyst and former assistant director of the u.s. marshal's office art broderick. art, again, just the sheer volume of weapons. you've been looking at the sort of setup with some of these long rifles. you think he must have had some kind of experience, some sort of training or practice. >> absolutely. i mean, just acquiring the weapons is one thing. but then putting those accessories and modifications on there is another. it looks like he knew what he was doing or somebody trained him to do this. in order to put those types of modifications on a weapon, you have to practice somewhere. you can't just show up here and start shooting. you've got to figure out the kickback of those weapons. that's why he had the forward grip on the ar-15. >> because when you're firing that kind of number of munitions what, it rises. >> it tends to rise up on you.
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even the .30 is even worse. it has a larger kick and will rice up high on you. he had the sniper rifle configuration with the bipod and scope. that's exactly how you would configure a long-range sniper type weapon. >> sara, even having the cameras mounted one on a room service tray, another camera in the peephole, police believe so that he could monitor law enforcement as had he come. >> absolutely. and it is clear by all of the steps that he took, bringing in bags one by one so people couldn't really figure out, he didn't look odd. he brought things in piece by piece. he by the a platform. i mean it looks like a sniper's den when you look at the pictures. the fact that he had cameras set up. he had everything he needed to do what he did, question is, one, why didn't he do it for longer, nine to 11 minutes. could he have kept shooting if he had wanted to. we want to know what the
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mind-set was. the one thing we all want to know and the families need to know is why did he do this. i don't think any of us have figured that out yet into i talked to a woman heather yesterday whose husband sonnie was killed and holding her when he was killed. one of the things she said and no motive is ever going to make sense and no motive severe going to explain. but one of the things i think is so important that we learned from the sheriffs last night in that press conference is just again more on that timeline, because there had been this question why didn't police go into the room sooner. they set up a perimeter, waited for s.w.a.t. to come, which is kind of an old school tactic, precolumbine tactic. now most police forces train, every member of the sheriff's department or police department to go in to neutralize the shooter. that's the first priority. but what we learned last night was it was really only nine to
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eleven minutes of shooting out at the crowd and once he had an initial encounter with those first responders they believed it became a barricade situation. >> and he actually had -- the shooter actually had the weapons to handle that close-in situation with the handguns and the shotgun that he had in that room. so i think when they initially took on i think he was waiting for an onslaught of law enforcement to come through the door. he did shoot one of the security guards through the door. and i think that stalled him and moved his concentration from the venue area to that door because i think he realized they're coming after me now. and he had to make a decision. >> one hates to say this because law enforcement are in danger, but thank god he didn't continue firing into this crowd where there's tens of thousands of people. >> and he absolutely could have. the casualty rate would have been much higher. >> the other question is in all the studies the fbi has done of all the active shooter situations going back to columbine, most of the deaths occur within those first six
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minutes. and some of that has to do with law enforcement response time. it's just interesting to me that there is that kind of early window. and then for some of these people i guess it's the -- i don't know if it's the excitement of what they've done gets them or they're killed or they're killed themselves. >> time is slowing down here when they're doing these types of actions. i think in this particular instance his meticulous planning is what absolutely gets to me. we look at the purchase of weapons. okay? that's one aspect. we look at him sending his girlfriend away and sending the money out. that's another as pektd. we look at him picking this particular location, which is a perfect sniper spot to shoot from into a crowd, elevated shooting position. >> right. two positions. >> two positions actually. so he had overlapping fields of fire, which is a military concept that they use all the time. so he actually could have covered all the way down to this intersection, which is actually one of the exits where these people would have been running.
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>> and sir, i know you've been talking to survivors and also family members who lost loved ones. so many people want the world to know who their loved one was and the loss. they don't want you to just know the name of the person, they want to know the life they lived. >> one of the things we learned is they hate hearing the numbers because behind every single one of those there is an entire family that's grieving. >> entire communities. >> entire community. we're talking friends. but in the core, the people that feel it the deepest are those that were so close to these people. and we sat and talked with a family that they lost their mother, three boys, who were all sitting around the table, and they held hands, the tonks family and they held hands and looked at each other and said we're going to get through this but they just don't know how. two of the boys, the 17-year-old and 24-year-old, said the moment they heard it and it became real they ended up punching a wall. they didn't know what to do with that anger and that pain and that confusion. and after that little by little
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they say they're going from numb to shocked to exhausted to sad. they can't keep control of their emotions. and these families just want their person back. you know, and they know there is no way. but i will tell you that one of the things that really disturbed them is they couldn't find her body. so it didn't seem real. and when they finally, hours and hours and hours and hours later -- and they understood. they didn't blame anyone. they said look, so many families were like us. they're all calling, trying to find out. this family, the tonks family, went to the coroner's office and they begged them and they gave them the description and someone at the coroner's office brought out two pictures. one that showed a tattoo. and they both all looked at each other, five of them, all standing there. the mother and father and the three boys. and they're like that's her. and then they brought out a picture of her face. and that was the moment where they knew. >> so many of these people are not from here, they were visiting here. so now the survivors are waiting
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for their loved ones to be released to them so that they can go back home with them. it is a horrific, obviously horrific way -- president trump meeting with doctors and survivors at the hospital right now. we're about to get some live pictures i'm told from that. we'll obviously bring you that. we also know that the fbi is meeting with the girlfriend of the shooter. we'll bring you an update on that as soon as we can. we'll take a short break. we'll be right back. ♪ i've got ♪ hungry eyes ♪ i feel the magic between you and i ♪ ♪ hungry eyes feed those hungry eyes with new signature entrées. applebee's two for twenty. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
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my colleague anderson cooper there standing by in las vegas. we'll get to anderson in just a second here. but let me just set you up as far as what we know in las vegas and this investigation. right now this woman is sitting down with the fbi. this is marilou danley, the shooter's girlfriend, and at this point in time she may be the only person who can shed any light on how a 60-something gambler and real estate investor with no criminal history came to commit the deadliest mass shooting in modern u.s. history. danley is back from a trip to her native philippines, where her sisters believe she was sent by this gunman so she wouldn't interfere in her boyfriend's plans for mass murder. so we'll bring you any news of what comes out of that interview as soon as we get it. meantime, president trump will be visiting las vegas. he's now there meeting with first responders and survivors. this as police have now