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and what he has to say is central to the investigation moving forward. thanks for joining us. watch "outfront" time online. "360" begins right now with anderson cooper. new information in the russia investigation with the former british spy who wrote the infamous dossier. met with investigators from robert mueller's team. more on that coming up. begin with the other investigation into the deadliest mass shooting in modern american history. still don't know why the shooter killed 58 people as if such a question could have an answer. but getting more information including him casing more locations. joining us from las vegas with the latest. what information do you have about the other possible locations? >> reporter: we know at least two, one in las vegas and other
in chicago. shooter just under two weeks ago rented room at ogden hotel that overlooked the life is beautiful festival. that's a huge festival. bigger than the route 91 harvest festival he eventually attacked. 100,000 people attending, huge acts like lorde and chance the rapper. nothing happened over that weekend of september 22nd. someone by the same name as shooter rented a hotel room overlooking chicago's grant park in august at the same time as lollapallooza music festival was going on. we don't know if it's same person, happen to have same name. that person didn't show up. but it's chilling to think he could have been going around scouting the music venues. >> in terms of the investigation, anything more said about the note that appears in the photograph in the hotel room?
>> reporter: in that photograph clearly a note was left. only thing we know from the police, yesterday, haven't given a press conference today, was it's not suicide note. coroner was asked about it, office said they don't have any more information about how the shooter died. that's part of the ongoing investigation. we know the shooter died of self-inflicted wound but also told by the police that the plan might not have been to initially commit suicide in the hotel room but rather to escape alive. >> fbi has been tight-lipped about what they learned from interviewing the girlfriend. any new details come out? >> reporter: very tight-lipped. not saying anything. we know that marilou danley, the girlfriend of the shooter, came back to the u.s. from the philippines, in los angeles being questioned by fbi. told the fbi she had been sent overseas by boyfriend, the shooter, to visit her family. he sent her money to buy herself
and her family a home in philippines. took it as indication he might be breaking up with her. denies knowing anything about the massacre. said in statement, he never said anything to me or took any act that i was aware of that i understood in any way to be a warning that something horrible is going to happen. little indication right now that we're any closer to learning the motive of the shooter. >> appreciate that alex. authorities laid out a time line for what happened. showing when police breached the suite an hour and 15 minutes after he started shooting but long after he stopped. look at how the vantage point on the 32nd floor may have played into what happened. brian todd tonight has more. >> reporter: one thing las vegas police say they are convinced of in this investigation is that the gun man's horrific attack was meticulously planned
assault. >> man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life. >> reporter: planning began with the sniper's nest he selected at mandalay bay and targets he chose below. cnn got access to a room two floors up from the shooter's with a similar view. can see the broken window and line of sight to the venue. >> first time being up here looking at this, it's eerie. >> reporter: retired police sergeant. spent 15 years on the s.w.a.t. team. he has clearer picture of shooter's tactics and planning, including choosing high room at end of the highway. >> requested east-facing room because if you pan over, tower is over there. room that he shot from. now pan east and look, there's no way to get countersniper, a s.w.a.t. sniper up at level
position to be able to effectively take this man out. >> reporter: firing from room like we're in, knock out window and fire toward him wouldn't work. >> still not see deeply enough into the room. only when he fires will we see him. >> reporter: says the choice of room put the s.w.a.t. team at disadvantage, multiplied by fact he blocked the stairway door and put cameras in the hallway to see the police and security advancing. >> because of the cameras in the hallway he observed security guard and afraid he would be breached. doing everything possible to figure out how he could escape at that point. >> reporter: but wouldn't have got away for long. >> one of three ways, commit suicide, die in hail of gunfire with the police, shoot it out with them and be killed or
continue on preplanned rampage at locations b, c, d and e until the police finally stop you. >> reporter: you don't believe escape meant for good, just to -- >> how could it? rented room in his own name. on video coming in and out. we know who he is, going to be most wanted man in the world if he tries to leave here. >> what are the specific indications you're getting from law enforcement about how the shooter may have wanted to try to escape from the room? >> reporter: they're giving indications regarding the material in the shooter's car that gives sense i may have wanted to continue rampage. 50 pounds of explosives and rounds of ammunition in the vehicle. said that tells him this gunman likely intended to continue r
rampage and be taken out at another time. >> thanks brian. joining me, counterterrorism analyst, forensic psychologist, phil what do you make of the note? police saying not suicide note. >> they know what it is. they've read it. look at characteristics here. how meticulous he was in gambling habits. seen family talking about how he played odds all the time in life. fastidious about determining the odds in the slots. same with the preparation for the event. cameras in the hallway, variety of weapons, angles in the room preordina p preorr daned to ensure proper access to the venue. a to b to c, never skips a step. i think note is something related to operational plan to ensure he stayed on plan.
maybe even saying this is how i execute the operation and get out. this is a guy who steps through every piece and maybe writes it down not to forget a step. >> but planning, not a guy with extensive military training. phil said he would like to see his google searches. how did he learn to do this? >> and library, see what books he's been reading. when you look at that position he set up in that room. that's shooting, a sniper's post. far enough back if you watch the video we've seen, can't see muzzle flashes from the window. he was far enough back that muzzle flashes could not be seen. that's what snipers do. not just a good shot but where you pick your spot to shoot from so you can't be detected. other scary thing is, what's he doing with explosives in the
vehicle? plan on shooting that? we don't know where the vehicle was positioned, but talked to people today that are ordinance experts. they told me just that 50 pounds of tannerite would have created good-sized crater. haven't heard how much ammonium nitrate was there but would have triggered that and with the rounds created an explosion and distracted everybody. >> columbine killers planned to have explosives going off as well as distraction. >> san bernardino as well. pipe bombs. >> saying the police think he intended to survive and escape. does that offer you insight into the mindset? how does it impact the investigation? >> i don't think he really had plans on ultimately surviving. i agree with the other opinions, there's only three different ways these end. immediate suicide, suicide by
cop or eventually all going to cop apart in hail of gunfire. i believe that this goes a lot deeper though than current events and planning. he was 13 years old when the texas tower sniper event happened. would have been impacted by that. i think he has long-standing history of fantasizing about this stuff and i think it goes back to august 1st of 1966, probably his first thoughts about it honestly. >> only other time that law enforcement had to deal with sniper shooting down from this high vantage point. >> exactly. >> elements of this we're talking about, think the texas tower comment is critical, important from investigative standpoint. question of whether someone knows something materially relevant to the investigation. all the public commentaries, how do we know not what motivated him i'm looking at it, someone participated in culture, had a
girlfriend, in contact with family, successful business life. over the course of months and years acquires weapons. looks at separate targets, how to employ these tactics to successfully kill this many people. likelihood that someone is spending that amount of time contacting that number of people with all the information from chicago to las vegas and nobody knows anything about motivation? i'm going to tell you one thing anderson, fbi already is seeing information about motivation because of the variety of contacts he had over time, just not talking to us about it. >> you're saying no doubt somebody else had a window into or hints of what was happening. >> questions too quickly on the girlfriend, for example, does she know something or complicit of in attack? there's a middle ground. over six years did he say something to give indication,
answer has to be yes. >> involved for a long time. whether or not knew about specific plans must have known about grudges or opinions or fantasies or whatever. >> purchased 33 firearms since october of last year. he was doing a lot of things in the time frame. buying ammonium nitrate, getting tannerite, she had to know something. >> chris you agree with that, specific plan, that or not but having spent years with the person, get a sense this person has a grudge against whatever it may be. >> exactly. grudges that she and other people will be aware of. things that he fantasized about. ideas that he was sympathetic. who he identified with, how he viewed his own father being on the run for example. all these different pieces that will be put together by fbi and other law enforcement agencies. just going to take them time to assemble a variety of different
information from different sources. i believe motivation will become apparent. they're working on it, it will come out. >> thank the panel. among the heroes on the night of the shooting, hospital doctors and nurses still working tirelessly to keep alive those wounded in the shooting. update from one next. tropical storm nate heading to the gulf, could hit hurricane status. state of emergency declared in locations. how big and powerful and where in the u.s. it could be headed. answers from weather center ahead.
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the families of the 58 people killed in las vegas are the newest members of a growing group that no one should have to be in. people whose loved ones were murdered in mass shooting in america. going to hear from mother of one of the 12 people killed in movie theatery aurora, colorado, looking forward to job interview and upcoming visit. i spoke to her brother after the shooting and made a point about the names we remember and ones we don't. important point.
play what jordan said in july of 2012. >> i want the word out about my sister and her life. but also don't want the media saturated with the shooter's name. more air time the shooters have, more time he gets the time on television, want the victims to be remembered rather than this coward. >> raise an important point. i really don't want to use his name much. i don't think it should be known a month from now or tomorrow but should be forgotten. >> since then had a policy of not naming the shooter since jordan opened my eyes to this. mom has become an activist in the fight against gun violence and meets with victims' families. people you're talking to, that have lost loved ones, at this stage do they realize how their lives have forever changed now?
>> absolutely not. they're in shock. they don't understand how this could have happened, not only to them but how this could have happened where they were in the city they were in, the country that they live in. they're totally baffled. and in total shock. >> i think one of the things that's so important about what you do, not only as voice from someone who has experienced this firsthand with the murder of your daughter jessica, but to kind of give them a sense of what to expect in coming days, weeks, months and years. often i feel like adrenaline gets people through the first couple of days but once they go back home and their loved one is gone and friends gradually go back to their lives and world continues to spin forward, left with a completely different
life. >> totally different life. and you're right. they go home and quite often lose friends. some of us even lose family members that don't want to be close to us anymore because we're totally new people. and that again, it confuses them. they don't know what to do, how to be with us. so we know that this is a -- this is a family these people have joined and they don't know it. it's a family of survivors across the nation that are always there for them. >> i met your son jordan in the wake of aurora and jordan who opened my eyes to this notion of not naming the killers, not giving them the attention that so many of them want and in fact should remember the names of jessica and other people whose lives were taken as opposed to
person who took their lives. can you explain to people why that's so important to you? >> first i remember the day of our shooting and turning on cnn and seeing the killer's face and his name and the face and name and face and name over and over again. and it was so traumatizing. revictimizing. so then we met with the fbi and fbi told us about their program of don't name them. and then -- in the meantime jordan had challenged you, can you get through the interview without naming the killer or showing his face. and think when the media understands that when you do keep reinforcing the name and picture, that you're hurting anyone who was in that theater or on the grounds of this concert, revictimizing these people and also contributing to the contagion effect that next
masked killer is watching and learning. so we're very proud of the no notoriety and work that jordan started and karen and tim teagues have continued and lonny and i support. we're grateful for your support on that, anderson, how every time you follow no notoriety rules and that is -- that's a real crowning achievement to all of us that work with victims and survivors. >> i hope it's something that more people take up and more people in this business take up. to me just seemed so obvious once jordan said it to me. it's changed the way i think about this and approach it. what do you -- what else do you want people to know about what the families are going through and what they face? and what you're doing right now.
>> well a lot of the victims and survivors from other mass shootings have put together a fund called national compassion fund. it has over 120 other victims and survivors from other mass shootings that signed on to make sure that when funds are being collected they're not going to other charities but going to have money collected for the victims and survivors and given to the victims and survivors. so we've had that work at pulse night club in orlando, had it work in chattanooga, and we've only been doing this a short time, a few years, now we believe we're the only victim-sourced charity in the country that makes sure that 100% of the funds that are collected go back to the victims
and survivors because they have so much they're facing. >> how do people donate? >> go to the national compassion fund and donate directly to it. there's also a gofundme page in las vegas. they have already agreed that every penny they collect will put into the national compassion fund. >> sandy, such an honor to talk to you. i keep in touch with jordan and have since aurora, i'm so happy to finally talk to you face-to-face. i wish you the best. >> nationalcompassionfund.org, help the victims and survivors of those who lost lives in mass shootings. so much focus on the time line, how long he planned the attack. i understand you spoke with the
shooter's -- someone who knew the shooter. >> someone who cut his hair. she has not spoken out publicly before. first time we're hearing from kally big, a hair dresser at great clips in mesquite, nevada, where the gunman had his primary residence. between 2015 and 2017 did cut his hair three different times. other people saw him there and confirmed she's his hairdresser. two months before rampage is last time she saw him and said didn't see red flags. found him memorable in part because of the last visit. two months before the rampage he told her he was planning on sending his girlfriend to the philippines and he was going to be alone. here's what he told her. do you remember the last time you saw him?
>> yes. the last time i saw him was probably only two months ago. it was just about two months ago he came in and got his hair cut and again smelled of alcohol. his girlfriend was with him. again doing her thing. he sat down and talked about her leaving to go to philippines and he would be at home hanging out by himself. wasn't anything weird or that seemed off. >> reporter: you know how intimate the relationship can be with hairdresser, low close they get to you. beig put the cape around him three times he came, noticed he smelled of strong alcohol, she thought it was whisky. came when the salon opened each
of those times and said he had been up gambling all night at local casinos. also brought his girlfriend and she characterized relationship as cold and distant. didn't see them interacting in intimate way like many couples. >> you're here one of the hospitals, do you know the numbers? >> reporter: 45 people remain in the hospital, 23 in critical condition. put the numbers into context for you anderson. at the time this rampage happened, almost 200 people came to the hospital. we're seeing a good portion of them home tonight, sent back to their families to try this very long process of recovery. >> long road ahead. kyung lah, thank you. president trump making
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breaking news tonight at reception for top military officials at white house president trump made ominous remarks potentially. listen. >> you guys know what this represents? the carpal befolm before the st >> what's the storm? >> could be the calm before the storm. >> what storm, mr. president. >> world's great military people. i will tell you that. thank all for coming. >> what storm mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> wow. cnn's ryan nobles from the white house. said anything more about what the president means? >> reporter: no, they haven't and we've reached out for
clarity. talking about this calm before the storm and suggests we'll ultimately find out what he's talking about. of course a number of global threats around the world this administration is dealing with. situation in north korea, growing threat of isis and situation with iran where the white house is signaling it's prepared to decertify the nuclear agreement with that country hatched during the obama administration to send the decision back to congress. but anderson we don't know if one of those or another issue we're not thinking about is what the president is alluding to tonight. but made these comments after lengthy dinner with most important military leaders in the united states. >> and other option is speaking off top of his head and has no meaning. also i understand he admonished his commanders that he wants
military plans faster than he's getting them now? >> happened in the video spray before the dinner began, president looked around the room and told his generals, you know i want military plans in my hands quicker than what i'm getting right now. also told them they of course need to deal with the bureaucracy of the government but they have to overcome it to get him plans. that was remarkable statement for the president to make in front of these generals in public on camera, admonish them and tell them not giving him military plans fast enough. wants them on his desk in as little as week to make important decisions but it's important to point out he said many times before, didn't want to tip his hand to the enemy. could be what he was talking about tonight. >> like reading tea leaves. robert mueller's investigators met with the
british spy that wrote the election dossier. evan perez joins us with more. he broke the story. what is the deal? >> investigators working with robert mueller met with christopher steele, a former mi-6 officer who put together what is called dossier, memos detailing alleged efforts of russians to help the trump campaign. special counsel is trying to determine whether any of the series of contacts between trump campaign associates and suspected russian operatives broke u.s. law. we don't know what information steele provided to the team but previously provided fbi with information to try to verify the sources he used to put together the dossier. some of the more salacious allegations in the dossier
haven't been verified but broad aversion that russia waged a campaign to interfere in the investigation is now accepted as fact by the u.s. intelligence community. >> what are you hearing about how it was viewed in the intelligence community? >> late last year, we're told that top officials at fbi, cia and director of national intelligence discussed including parts of the dossier in the official intelligence document on russian meddling. sources said that intelligence community didn't want to include it because didn't want to explain what parts of the dossier they had been able to corroborate. also concerned about revealing sources and methods they used to do this. then fbi director james comey was worried that presented this, new president-elect would view that as attempt by fbi to hold leverage over him.
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alive. firefighter who was at the concert with family members and friends. when firing started, jumped on trina, shielding her with his bod i. >> told my wife, we've been hit, we have to go. run, run, get all the way out of here. i'll do what i have to do. that's really -- >> hardest thing to do. >> hard for her to leave me but we have three kids. somebody has to make sure they get out, all the way out. so i'm sure it was hard for her to leave me and anybody else behind. >> reporter: impossible choice to make. >> i knew if he was not going to make it because i didn't know, that my kids needed a parent. >> that's what went through your mind? >> exactly. my only focus was my kids. it was all i could think about it. when i got to that truck, i
just -- i felt -- i made it. i made it. my kids are going to have me and thinking about him and didn't have a phone and i was separated what seemed lie eternity. >> the family separated in the chaos and kurt found himself alone with serious gunshot wound to his leg. >> after got trina moving and on her way, again bodies everywhere, made way over bodies and when i stood up, foot gone. tibia and fibula completely shattered. had to crawl over mounds of people too frightened to move or had already passed on. had to go over them. at that point i have to go save my life. >> losing blood. >> i have to save my life. i made it under the sound stage. and immediately got somebody, good samaritan, take off shirt
and explained to him how to make a tourniquet and stop the bleeding. >> you had the presence of mind to give instructions? >> absolutely. that's just training kicks in. try to explain to everybody under there they needed to be quiet and calm down to hear what was going on. >> trina's brother travis was helped wounded elsewhere, no ambulances to be found so loading injured onto pick-up trucks to go to hospital. no idea brother-in-law kurt had been shot. >> how did you find him? >> looked up and saw him in back of the truck. >> you're kidding? no idea? >> i just -- he looked calm. didn't know he was shot. he's a firefighter, makeshift ambulance, he's taking everybody to the hospital to help. i ran over to give him a hug and said i got to go.
he said you're doing good. ran back out, loaded somebody else up on white truck behind the truck he was on. >> did you think about the danger? >> when that stuff happens, you don't. told everybody, family and everyone close to you to safety, then you start thinking about everybody else. you see everybody on the ground that's been shot and your senses kick in you have to get them to safety. it's not -- you don't think about it. just what you do. and we saved as many as we could, you know. it's tough. but i'm telling you amount of goodness that you saw in people, that's america, you know. that's true americans going in and doing whatever you could. >> kurt's hospital room is filled with family and friends. matt ferris, former firefighter brought guitar to play music to them all. road ahead is long but kurt and
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it's just a tropical storm, it doesn't have to be a hurricane. let's take a look at what's going on. the next landfall was going to be in the yucatan. that will be tomorrow night. if you have loved ones there vacationing, hotel staff are going to get them sheltered. i wouldn't worry about it. this year has been a hyperactive year brings it in to louisiana. overnight saturday into sunday morning, maybe between 3:00 and 5:00 a.m. give or take an hour. at category one, maybe category two strength, picks it up in speed and carries it off quickly. when we talk about the models. we've talked ad nauseam about these in the last couple hurricanes. the gfs model, they're in good agreement. the european has been outstanding for these storms. let's talk about the spaghetti plots.
we know these well. we're looking for a spread in the models. or are they tight? it gives us confidence in the forecast. every model run we have with these, p seems to get tighter and tighter, there is confidence that after a yucatan land fall tomorrow, it makes its way for a sunday more than landfall. now, again, we are better at forecasting the track than we are the intensity. we have to talk about that as well. if you're wondering in texas, is there a possibility this could slide westward. we have a cold front that will have severe weather in some of the planes. as it moves across texas, this storm will block it from moving any further to the west. >> you talked about nate getting to category one or two status. could it get stronger? >> it could. in fact, as we've talked about the last couple weeks, the storms have been increasing in their strength, rapid intensification. the waters are warmer now in the western caribbean than they are
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>> talk to us about the other possible locations. >> the most direct evidence that he was targeting other music festivals. just this past week he rented a room in downtown las vegas near the life is beautiful festival. there are also reports that he may have targeted boston's fenway park as well as downtown chicago. we know that someone with the same name as the shooter reserved a hotel across from the lalapalooza festival in chicago. and the person never checked in. >> has there been any more said about the note the shooter had in his hotel room? >> there's been a lot of intrigue about this note according to the sheriff, it was not a suicide note. there's a lot of intrigue about
the autopsy report surrounding the shooter, there's speculation the shooter may have had some sort of brain abnorm ailty or terminal illness, and perhaps that's what may have caused him to go on this rampage. >> they're saying no accomplishes, the sheriff said he received some help. are you able to collar phi at all? >> officials are saying tonight that there were no accomplices, but yesterday the sheriff said that he did receive some help. it is possible for both things to be true many of course help can come in many forms, someone could have helped him acquire some ammunition, the person may have been totally in the dark about what was to happen. it's possible for both things to be true. joining me now. phillip mudd and