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the shooter, but the kor corner said it will not be released. there's speculation the shooter may have had some sort of brain abnormality or terminal illness, and perhaps that's what may have caused him to go on this rampage. >> they're saying no accomplices, but the sheriff said he received some help. are you able to clarify at all? >> officials are saying tonight that there were no accomplices, but yesterday the sheriff said that he did receive some help. it is possible for both things to be true. of course, help can come in many forms, someone could have helped him acquire some ammunition and the bump stocks, and the person may have been totally in the dark about what was to happen. it's possible for both things to be true. >> joining me now, phillip mudd and juliet keim. fill, you and i were talking in
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the last hour about that note. what are your thoughts if it's not a suicide note? >> i'm looking at the nature of this person's personality. we've seen the family and others talk about how he played the slots, all about numbers, all about calculations, you look at the incredible planning for this operation. from every step, from the cameras outside the room, to choosing a room that had the maximum prospect to hit as many people as possible. i'm looking at this and asking a couple questions, one in particular. was this a representation of how fastidious he was? an operational plan to say this is what i'm going to do. here's my way out. >> a plan for a way out. >> correct. there's another question we have to answer, with the amount of explosives and weapons in the car, and particularly the amount of material in the room, the weapons in the room. was that the only target he considered? i haven't seen people talking about that, i'm wondering whether he thought there would be an additional target he would go after in that broad swath of territory he could see from the room. >> the idea of a note with
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operational details, reminders to himself. it's an interesting idea, unless you've been in a kinetic situation like this, unless you've had that experience of the adrenaline and decision making in the process. it can be a difficult thing. all your thoughts can go out the window in a time like this. >> absolutely. and when we heard that there might be some things -- notes left in the room, i fully expected it to be a manifesto. i figured we would have already gotten to motive by now. it seems like every day, as more and more information comes out, it becomes more confusing and confounding. he seems to have done some meticulous planning with this. there's some similarities to what he did and other mass shootings. and other active shooters. we've all kboen back to the university of texas clock tower. there was another shooting in july of 2016 when the five dallas police officers were killed and the shooter was up top in a garage in a covered garage and firing down.
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also, people said that this was probably the first time that the police in the history of the united states policing were outgunned by an adversary, it's not necessarily correct either. there have been some other times. two fbi agents were killed in 1969 when they were outgunned by the two miami bank robbers. >> there was an l.a. bank robber, wasn't there? >> yes, the north hollywood shooting was in february of 1997, in that case, the police actually had to go to a gun store a couple blocks away, and take shotguns and long guns from there. there's going to be a lot of discussion going forward. we certainly don't want to have the presence in a country like america of an overly militarized police force. but by the same token, in these instances, those officers were severely -- >> a lot of cities have changed the way s.w.a.t. teams gather. police officers were pulled from different unit be and gathered.
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new york has these teams that are on duty at all times and i know all officers in new york and certainly d.c. as well, all officers are trained to respond to active shooters. >> absolutely that's in reaction to columbine. the first responders are there, it's an offduty cop, offduty sheriff's detective, campus police officer. >> in the navy yard, there was a bicycle cop as well -- >> we had these units, we were going wait a minute. this takes a tactical skill set, you need a homogenous team. after columbine, we decided to integrate training. that's what happens now. so active shooter protocols, the state, local and federal officials, we all conduct those operations similarly. so in this situation you know the terminology, the vernacular.
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if four or five folks assemble, they can make the assault on the room. >> how does investigating these other locations that the shooter apparently booked rooms at or scouted, help push the investigation forward? it points to or opens up a whole range of potential motives, i guess. >> >> motives and potential co-conspirators, what they're doing, at other places that they're looking at might elicit evidence about others who were involved. was he with someone, was he talking to someone how did he get there? was he dropped off? you're going to have a series of touch points that become areas where they can extend this investigation. the second piece, of course, is the piece that none of us sitting here can believe is still open, this large, which is the motivation piece. normally by this stage, four days later, when something like this happens, you have a range of theories, and a lot of them
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get x'd out, and you figure out what it is relatively quickly. there's no sort of -- none of us are confident with the theory of the case right now in terms of motivation. and that will continue until we can have an explanation. maybe we have to admit there isn't an ah-ha moment in this one. maybe there is something that we will never understand as rational human beings of what led to this moment. that's where we are. >> we want to table this discussion for the moment. we're getting more information about the exploding targets found in the shooter's car. the explosives that were in the car. tom forman tonight has that. >> fire in a few seconds. >> reporter: what can 50 pounds of exploding target compound do? just watch. that's how much authorities say they found in the shooter's car. and youtube is filled with videos of people setting off
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other large amounts. explode ing targets were made so people could see when they hit them at great distances. says it's not sure if the vegas shooter had actual tanarite products or another brand. but an official says, the only proper use is as a shot indicator. it's not designed to destroy property. still, the easy availability and potential for misuse triggered this bulletin four years ago, the fbi has identified multiple incidents where criminals and extremists have explored the possibility of employing the binary explosive mixture obtained from exploding targets to commit criminal and terrorist
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acts. if the las vegas gunman had placed some of that material down at the street level and aimed at it with the scoped rifle -- >> the binary explosives could have been detonated with rifle slugs from those rifles, from the 32nd floor. one for the effect of creating chaos among a crowd. and secondly, as a result of the explosion,wide spread shrapnel raining on the crowd. >> reporter: the implications are profound. considering how often these materials are simply used for unintended purposes. accidentally endangering and injuring people. >> is everybody ready? >> reporter: a lawyer for the woman taking this video says she was 150 feet away from less than 3 pounds of explosive target material. not tanarite, but a similar product inside a refrigerator. >> hey, hey, call 911.
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>> oh, my god. >> a fragment from the blast nearly ripped off her right hand. >> reporter: so how much potential destructive power was packed into this gunman's car? if he set off all 50 pounds of this stuff, which investigators say they found, it could have flung shrapnel the length of a football field in all directions. that could mean we would be very likely talking about even more people dead and wounded. anderson? >> it's incredible to see those images. back now with the panel. i had no idea about the explosive capacity of this stuff. >> i think one of the problems in this case, we look at that explosive capacity and jump to quick conclusions. when you look at these cases over decades, the quick conclusions are never the right ones. a couple of things i'm looking at. number one, a guy who's looking at shooting a couple hundred
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yards away, material that can be detonated by a rifle shot. was he thinking of detonating a car bomb from a distance. the second, the sheriff is talking about the potential he may have wanted to escape, which seems unreal. could this have been a diversion. he shoots a car that's 500 yards away, everybody gathers in that site and he goes the other direction. i think there are a lot of explanations we don't understand yet. >> even the columbine guys, if i remember correctly, they planned to detonate a lot of explosives and also have detonation outside that was to draw police away from the school. >> absolutely. there are probably two different theories i think that are going around of what he was going to use the explosive before. we know the purpose of tanarite, we used it in training. we use them for exploding targets. you put it out 1,000 meters and you hit the target and you can see it explode from a long distance away. there's a purpose for it. you put a bunch of it together and you have a bunch of rounds there too. which would cook off in the heat that would come off of that. then you turn it into a fragmentation device. was it the killer's intent to use it as a diversion.
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to cause the cops to focus on that, while he went somewhere else? possibly dressed in the garb of a hotel worker, or was it to maim and kill? because the rounds that were in the car would have cooked off and the shrapnel would have penetrated. up next, more on one of the other las vegas locations that may have been targeted by the shooter. a live report on where the killer rented a room. later, special counsel mueller's team talks with a former russian spy. those breaking news and more ahead on the program.
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talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424. more now on tonight's breaking news on the las vegas massacre location. the shooter may have been looking at other locations. including the life is beautiful festival in las vegas just two weekends ago. he rented a room at a condo complex during that festival. gary tuchman joins us with more. so you were at the site where this shooter rented the condo. what do you know? what can you tell us? >> well, anderson, you're right, it's disturbing to know the shooter stayed in this building in las vegas. adjacent to another music
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festival site a week before the mass murder that he carried out. why was he here in thing on den condominium during that festival, could it have been a coins den? he could have been scoping it out, he could have been planning to have carried out the mass murder here, we just don't know. if he was, it would have been logistically much easier because at the mandalay bay, he had to fire the shots a quarter mile. this is where the festival was held. this was part of the area. it was several square blocks. a stage was here, and people went out into the street, they were right next to the hotel. it was an alternative rock, rock, hip-hop festival. there were dozens of bands here, some were lord, blink 182, chance the rapper. it would have been easy for him to carry out a mass murder here, we don't know. we went inside this hotel and talked to people. a lot of motorcycles here, if you can hear the noise. we asked employees if they saw
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this man. anything he was carrying. they couldn't comment. they were leaving that to the police, once again, we don't know why he was hear, i can assure you it wasn't for any good reason. >> there are reports he also looked at staying at a different location near the festival, is that true? >> right, right across the street from the condominium is the el cortese hotel. there are report that is he first made a reservation to stay here, but it was sold out and he didn't stay there. i did talk to a spokesman from the hotel who said they have no record of him trying to make a reservation. if they weren't sold out he couldn't have stayed there if he wanted to. they had no recollection or record of him trying to stay at the el cortese. >> thank you very much, gary tuchman. i want to bring back in the panel. you look at that building, it's not as tall as the mandalay, may have been easier, if he chose that location to be identified but again, we don't know why he would have rented out a place. >> we don't. and frankly that's not the question i would be having during the investigation. you get a volume of information after the identification of the subject.
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that over the past few days has been amassed. that's everything from phone and e-mail to locational information. from that hotel, i also think you'd be looking for video of him in the room. is he bringing, for example, material in the room that suggests he had weapons in there. my point is, over the course of the last few days, you have information about -- that we're seeing publically about where he was. why he rented rooms. publicly the questions for those of motivation. why did he rent there. behind the scenes of the investigation i'm saying, how does that match up with who he called, who he texted, who he e-mailed. were there financial transactions at that time. does his phone have a gps raerd that shows me where he was walking around. you're building a three dimensional picture of his life, what we're seeing is about 2%. >> the tip of the iceberg. >> yes. >> anderson, to phil's point,
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sun suh the famous chinese general famously said, that just as water doesn't retain it's shape, the conditions in warfare never stay constant. to take this from the counter terrorism end, neither do our responses to these. we have to look at this, we can't overreact. we can't do something in a knee jerk reaction. we have to get out in front of this, and make sure that we're thinking as the terrorists are, i had a number of folks in the hotel business call me today. people sending me messages, what can we do. how can we better prepare our hotels? it's not just hotels. any inner city, urban area, you're going to have high buildings. if you make it so someone can't break a window out, they'll figure out how to get to the roof. we have to figure out how to get in front of this and the means to stop this. the fear is copycats. in the case of this shooter, i thought there was an interesting parallel with what one of the correspondents said earlier about there possibly being some type of brain
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trauma possibly or medical issue in his brain. that was the same issue with charles whitman, the clock tower shooter in 1966, was there a disconnect up top. we live in a country where we treasurer our civil liberties. we want to keep ourselves safe. we have to find a sweet spot in the middle. we don't want a police state, but we don't want these mass shootings, how do we do that? police do study, whether it's a terrorist attack or an active shooter situation, police forces around the country and the the fbi each study these things to look at the evolving tactics because the tactics by terrorists or killers are always evolving. >> that's right, they call them formally after military action reports. in homeland security they call it the feedback loop of misery. in other words, the only benefit you're going to get out of something like this, is if you learn to do it better next time. our active shooter protocols, run, hide, and then engage, in
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that order. all come from columbine, the lessons of those children who stayed put, who eventually were killed. and we've learned that from columbine, the israelis have the same active shooter protocols for citizens, of course. i will say one thing, we are talking about defense, how do we get police ready. but i think this is why this debate about weapons and guns is so prevalent in this case. maybe even more so than we saw in connecticut after sandy hook. i think part of it has to do with the nature of the weaponry, and how fast it is, another is the recognition that it's really hard to stop everyone from getting on the 50th floor or the 22nd floor, or this hotel or that hotel. there's a certain amount of defense we have to put into our homeland security efforts, but one of the reasons to explain why we may be getting some participate support for one little piece of
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this, which is that you can't change the gun from semiautomatic to automatic. there's no defense that's going to always stop this from happening. let's see if we can get some of this high casualty weaponry away from people so we can minimize the risk. >> there's a lot of skeptism from people about the girlfriend or what she would have known. even if there wasn't a clear operational plan, just knowing somebody for that length of time, you would think she would have a sense of chips on his shoulder he had, or gripes he had, or resentments he had, which i would assume law enforcement would want to know about. >> i think the public conversation is going too quickly to say, don't judge. just because she lived with him she knew about the operation. that's not the question, anderson. the question is, every single sliver of what we spoke about and even slivers that are
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negatives, let's say we have a supposition that because he shot up the strip and he was a gam ler gambler, this was somehow financial related. we never had money problems and he didn't talk about money. the fact that that never came up in conversation is significant. it doesn't relate to his motive, it relates to taking something off the table, that's huge. >> taking stuff off the table is as important at this stage. >> yes. thanks everyone. when we come back, our breaking news on the russia investigation. robert mueller's team met with the author of that controversial and somewhat salacious russia dossier last summer. we have details on that next.
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check out the best of the best hand-picked fall shows on xfinity x1, online, and the xfinity stream app. thirsty? jaw dropping news on the russia investigation tonight. a former russian spy met with a member of the team. evan perez broke the story for us. evan joins us now. what have you learned? >> we've learned that investigators working for robert mueller met with christopher steele, steele is the former mi 6 officer who put
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together that -- what many people called the dossier, really a series of memos detailing alleged russian efforts to aid trump's presidential campaign. he was paid first by anti-trump rubbl rubbl rubbles republicans and then by democrats. the counsel is working to determine whether any contacts between campaign associates and russian operatives broke u.s. law. we don't know what information steele may have provided to mueller's team. we know that mueller has previously provided the fbi information news. while the most salacious allegations in the dossier haven't been verified, it's the broad assertion that russia was waging a campaign to interfere in the election. it's now accepted as fact by the u.s. intelligence community. >> there's been questions about the legitimacy of the information in the dossier. do you know what the intelligence community's take is on it? >> we know the president calls it a hoax, but we learned late
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last year, top officials at the fbi and cia discussed, including parts of this dossier in the official intelligence document that was prepared on russian meddling. sources tell us that the the intelligence community didn't want to include it, because they didn't want to have to explain parts of the dossier they were able to corroborate. they were also concerned about revealing sources and methods that they used to do so. the former fbi director, james comey was worried the president-elect would think it was an attempt to hold leverage over him. as we know, that's what later up happening. the president said what he thought comey was trying to do was hold the dossier over him as leverage. >> how significant is this, do you think that mueller's team met with -- >> i think it is significant and it shows you that they take the
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dossier very seriously. what they're trying to do is find out his sources and find out who his sources were, because there is a question about how much of thes do say was valid and how much wasn't. i think it plays into the larger question of collusion. because that is what christopher steele was really looking at. you know, there's a lot of frustration, and we heard it yesterday from the senators on the intelligence committee that they cannot get to chris steele, he won't sit down with them. >> it's interesting he would go with mueller's team and not with -- >> he's a known quantity for the fbi, he's worked for them. so they know who he is. and maybe he trusts them a little more. and much less likely to talk to senators who leak. >> most of the attention about the dossier has been about the more salacious documents. there's stuff in there that could help mueller's investigators determine whether
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the contact between trump operatives and suspected russian operatives broke the law. that really is one of the things that investigators are looking at more closely and could be more substantial in mueller's investigation than some of the more unseemly charges floated here and there in the dossier. >> the white house did such a full court press attacking this dossier, and now to hear that mueller's team has met with this guy. >> right, i think cnn had it originally, the reporting that it existed. was it buzz feed put it out? >> cnn has still not reported on the salacious details inside. >> i think the salacious details in a way hurt the cause of this dossier. because it was easy to sort of look at -- you know, for the trump team to look at the salacious details and dismiss everything. as being so unbelievable or out to get trump. i think you're sort of on to something about one of the
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thing that is this tells me. as you mentioned, there are multiple investigations going on. but the mueller investigation, by far, is going to be the one that's more extensive. the ability to talk to people, to get information that congressional investigations are not going to be able to get they're going to leave no stone unturned. >> i think it's interesting given the fact that people threw water on it earlier this year, and said, there's no truth to this. i forget what he said, but he threw doubt on it. so i think that was interesting, the acting fbi director at the time was kind of a little bit suspicious of it. >> you know, the president has challenged it. people who worked for him have challenged it and those are people clearly that mueller's going to interview. he's got to get their story and chris steele's story. we're going to take a quick break. we're going to talk about something the president said
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more breaking news out of washington tonight, listen to what the president said tonight after dinner with his top military commanders at the white house. >> you know what this represents, we all do. >> we're reached the calm before the storm. >> what storm, mr. president. >> we have the world's greatest military people, i'll tell you that. thank you all for coming. >> thank you. >> what storm, mr. president? >> you'll find out. >> lots to discuss with the panel. reports of dissension in the highest ranks of the administration. does it make any sense on any level that the president, if there is a big storm coming, would telegraph that. >> no. first of all, i don't find it reassuring, i must say, when a president comes out and says that. with his military leaders
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standing right behind him. it's kind of like fire and fury to me. and you kind of wonder -- a president shouldn't be doing this. he shouldn't be telegraphing, whatever he's telegraphing, even if he's joking. >> for the guy that doesn't telegraph anything, he says, he telegraphs everything. >> he likes to create drama. i called around and i couldn't get an answer. there were three u.s. green berets killed in niger. it might be in anticipation of some kind of retaliation coming, nobody could say for sure. >> it could be nothing. it could be donald trump talks, he says things. it could be something. it could be psychological warfare. he wants to keep our enemies offbalance. it could be -- i'm not saying this is what he wants, but we were talking during the break about the emotional exhaustion.
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psychological warfare meant to sort of game your adversaries. there could be an impact on the american public. i believe that the public right now is inundated with bad news, and chaos. and one of the jobs of a president, you know, he was the consoler in chief yesterday, i think america kind of needs that. so i really hope that this is not him sort of promiscuously or flagrantly tossing around rhetoric that he doesn't really mean. >> it's also interesting, he said it, and then he tried to change the subject on to praising military leaders and talking about what's going on in the room. >> they pushed him on it, when the reporters, very quickly said, what storm. he sort of wanted to back off, it was odd. >> on a week like this where he's had so much drama in his white house. where secretary tillerson had to come out and have a press conference to say, there's nothing to see here, we're all good. >> to say that the president is smart. >> right. that's problematic for this white house. he shouldn't be fueling the fire and adding more drama. there's enough drama.
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>> that's what he does, right? that's what he does. he's all drama, all the time. when you say he should be calming the storm, he's predicting one. another one. >> stay tuned. >> exactly, another tv show. >> it does sort of echo the whole -- well, we're going to see about that, or we'll see in a couple weeks. there is -- that's an ongoing -- >> you don't know if it's a trumpian verbal tick we're going to address that in a couple weeks, stay tuned. hold on. but when it involves a phrase like, calm before the storm, it's unnerving. >> the president planning to decertify -- secretary mattis told congress this week. it's within in our interest to remain in the d.l., he's wary of decertifying the deal? >> right. this is a president who's
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deciddecid decided that he needs to decertify the deal which by the way, throws it in the lap of congress. >> what does it mean? >> you have 60 days for congress to figure out what to do which is a dangerous situation. they can't do anything in 60 days. if at that point they don't do anything, you slap the sanctions back on. they have 60 days to figure out whether they want to change inspections, or they want to change the deal, it's very complicated, and for congress to have to do this is difficult. >> the fact that -- the thing that bothers me -- look you can make an argument this is a bad iran deal. maybe it's a good thing for congress to -- maybe you can make that argument. what bothers me, this is an administration that is not united over whether this is a good deal or we should do this, they're publicly not united. >> the secretary of defense -- you can make the case that the secretary of defense is insubordinate to the president.
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they openly disagree with him. i've honestly never seen an administration where as many people go into a room and come out and disagree with the president. >> there's no real appetite for it on the hill. i've spoken to people that want it to go away. they have so much else to focus on right now that they don't see this as a priority at all. >> trump keeps heaping new responsibilities on congress. nobody was expecting to have to deal with daca and now it looks like they might. but in talking to congressional sources today, they said, basically, this is a way for trump to repudiate the iran deal, as he vowed he would on the campaign trail. while absolving himself of responsibility, but kicking it to congress. it's not clear what will happen then. but trump will have kept, to an extent, a campaign promise. >> he's doing that on guns, letting congress figure out what to do on gun control. he's doing it on daca as you say. he seems to like to do this. although, every time he dumps it
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in their lap, they seem to get nothing done. it's a dangerous proposition, particularly when you're talking about an iran nuclear deal. >> you also have the white house continuing to say, everything is fine between the secretary of state and the president. i can't imagine the president was pleased with this whole moron allegations, that tillerson said he was a moron. >> yeah. i mean, he was playing to an audience of one once again, just like sarah huckabee sanders does every day. he came out and did what he had to do. he did not deny that he never said that, but he said he wanted to play to trump and pretend that everything was good. >> a spokesman for the state department later came out and said that the secretary of state does not use that kind of lang. moron? the guy ran one of the biggest oil companies in the world, do you think he doesn't use the word moron? >> it doesn't matter what he said, we know the implication. the president was furious about it, and that's our reporting.
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we know the relationship between tillerson and the president probably can't be repaired to the point where tillerson becomes a long termer. he's not. >> in all honesty, if you call the president a moron, and maybe he is, i'm not in the administration, i can't judge that. macron, if you call him a moron you need to go. you should just resign or be fired. that's a fireable offense. or actually, you should just resign. if you believe that, you should go. >> trump is in a box right now, secretary mattis has disagreed with him publically, tillerson has called him names privately. >> how many people from the inner circle can he afford to -- >> he can't. >> we need to take a quick break. more on this discussion ahead.
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trump administration. drama that's gone on for quite a while now. but has reached another crescendo. with reports that rex tillerson called the president a moron and the subsequent denials and reaction to that. it's interesting the president is taking great issue with that, and said that it just -- it's not true, and -- but i mean, his denial was sort of, it wasn't even that tillerson hadn't called him a moron, it was that tiller son hadn't threatened to resign. >> we know the president was furious when he heard about this. and i think the president probably doesn't know what the exact truth is. tillerson is denying it. but there are people obviously who heard it, who leaked this story. and the president's furious, and and i'm sure tillerson, as we were saying before, is not going to stay forever. the president now has this cabinet that he's not -- he's not comfortable with, right? >> tillerson wouldn't deny the fact that he used -- >> the press secretary.
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>> he batted it away, which has the effect of confirming that yes, he probably did. which is certainly how trump took the news, and which is why he according to nbc news, blew up for two hours today, and why general kelly was pulled off the flight yesterday -- >> this is a guy who ran a major company. not used to being the second fiddle or third fiddle or fourth fiddle. and yet if he feels this way about the president and if the state department is demoralized and a lot of his job is, you know, cutting in the state department, what do you think -- or why do people who are dissatisfied stay? >> this is the -- this is his career capstone. he's the ceo of exxon. to be secretary of state has enormous prestige and to go kind of slinking out less than a year on the job would be i think detrimental to his reputation and damaging to his ego. >> it's not as if --
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>> does it have -- >> that's a different question. >> jared kushner is the one who is dealing with middle east peace. it's not, you know -- >> this is a guy who never -- i mean, i think he just basically worked at exxon his whole career, right? which is -- i mean, obviously he was very effective and very successful there. so not only does he have the thing where he's used to being the number one guy in charge, but there are people who can be very successful in one job or one industry. and it's not transferable to another. and it seems like -- donald trump reportedly hired him because he looked good. i mean, bob corker was too short. you know, maybe nikki haley wasn't -- mitt romney he sort of toyed with. but he looked like a secretary of state. >> but you know, corker made the point, which we've all spoken about, corker made the point yesterday that the only thing standing between chaos in this country is tillerson, mattis and
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kelly. general kelly. and i think that there may be a reason that tillerson stays because he believes he has to get some things done. and i think you would have to ask this question about the generals and about tillerson, which is patriotism is one thing and you serve because you're patriotic, but when you're no longer effective, isn't that time to go. >> i mean, he hasn't really been effective all in all. from the beginning he's had problems at the state department. he's always felt undermined by jared kushner and other people at the white house, bannon even. so he's never kind of found his footing there. so it's a good question. you have to wonder why he's sticking around. >> thanks, everybody. a moving tribute to a victim of the las vegas tragedy. heather melton lost her husband, sonny. he was the first victim named. i spoke with heather on tuesday. she shared how much they loved one another and country music. a country music star heard about our conversation and took the stage in nashville to talk about sonny and heather. we'll have that for you in a moment.
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are paying tribute to lives lost. that includes the country music community. on tuesday i spoke to heather melton. her husband sonny was killed at the route 91 harvest festival in vegas. he was just 29. he died protecting the love of his life. here's what heather told me. >> there was never a minute that i doubted his love for me. >> especially sunday night. >> yeah. >> he saved your life. >> he did. and he would do it over and over again. >> do you want to talk about that night at all? >> yeah. i mean, it's horrifically vivid. it's not an image that probably will ever be out of my mind. but we were having such a good time and probably -- >> going to concerts was your thing. >> yeah. we loved going to concerts. every single month we went to a
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concert. >> you're wearing his favorite -- >> eric church was his guy. and we came to vegas to see eric church. and actually, we have tickets tomorrow night to go see him in nashville. >> eric church heard about that moment. he took to the stage last night in nashville and paid tribute to heather and to sonny. watch. >> last night somebody sent me a video of a lady named heather melton. and she was talking to anderson cooper on cnn. and she had on our church choir tour shirt. [ cheers and applause ] and he said what brought you to vegas? and she goes, he with went there to see eric church. and because he was sonny's -- her husband who died. it was his guys. and we went there to see his guy. and then she said we have tickets for the grand ole opry
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tomorrow night. [ applause ] and as i -- over here, section 3, row f. if you're there, if you're in row f, there are some empty seats, and that's their seats. and i'm going to tell you something, the reason i'm here, the reason i'm here tonight is because of heather melton, her husband sonny, who died, and every person that was there. because i'm going to tell you something. i saw that crowd. i saw them with their hands in the air. i saw them -- i saw them with boots in the air. and what i saw that moment in time that was frozen, there's no amount of bullets that can take away. none. [ cheers and applause ] >> eric church in nashville. tomorrow night we're going to bring you a special report
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called "las vegas lost: remembering the victims," an uninterrupted hour dedicated to the lives that were lost. each of their stories, memories shared by family and by friends, each of those who are no longer with us. that's at 9:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow night. thanks for watching "360." it's time to hand it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. chilling new clues in the investigation of the worst mass shooting in modern american history. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. here is what we're learning right now. gunman stephen paddock may have been casing other possible targets. before he even checked into the mandalay bay, he rented an airbnb room at a las vegas condo that overlooked the life is beautiful music festival. and back in august a person named stephen paddock reserved a room in chicago overlooking the lollapallooza festival. what we know for sure, the deadly chaos the gunman unleashed when he fired on the route 91 festival sunday night. this video shows the heroic efforts to save the wo