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the tennessee lawmaker was once an ally of president trump's campaigned with him, once considered as a running mate possibility and also considered as a secretary of state possibility. well now he tells "the new york times" that president treats the office like a, quote, reality show, his recklessness could put the nation, quote, on the path to world war iii and alarmed by a leader who acts, quote, like he's doing the apprentice or something. what does the president have to say? maybe not surprisingly, quite a bit. even before the interview released trump took to twitter to say corker begged him for an endorsement for re-election, when the president refused to endorse, corker -- adding he refused then to endorse corker, corker is retiring and completely die nice. the president wouldn't have backed him had he wanted to re-election. there's that trouble on the home front. and then there's this, remember that quote/unquote dealing with quite a bit today, the deal the president reached with democrats to protect daca recipients not
so long ago. >> leader pelosi and i had a constructive meeting with president trump and several members of his cabinet. one of our most productive discussions was about the daca program in which we all agreed on a framework. >> well that may be a thing of the past today. the white house laying out new demands now on immigration to get any such deal done, a deal breaker, let us find out. now we've got real troubles with not only democrats but more members of his own party. where is the president going to turn for help on all of this? cnn's kaitlan collins at the white house, phil mattingly on capitol hill. let's try to break this down if it is possible. caitlin, to you, the president very clearly not holding back this weekend about senator corker. what are they saying at the white house today? >> he certainly didn't hold back, and the white house is quickly learning the president is not the only counterpuncher in this town. i can't overstate how stunning it is that a prominent senator from the president's own party is offering this sharp of a
rebuke against him. not only is he the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee but an ally of the president's until now. and was an early supporter of his presidency. and now in this interview with "the new york times," he's saying things like, he concerns me, he would have to concern anyone who cares about our nation. and then after the president got on twitter and said corker decided to retire because the president was not going to endorse him corker said that largely wasn't true and that president had urged him multiple times to run again and even offered his endorsement and added i don't know why the president tweets out things that are not true. you know he does it, everyone knows he does it, but he does. pretty sharp criticism there, kate. >> i would say so. phil, the president before this, needed every last republican vote to get anything done. is this public fight going to make that even harder? where does this go? >> look, i think everybody is trying to figure it out right now. no question when you only have a
majority of 52 republicans and working through certain budget processes you only need 50 to move forward you don't have a lot of space to work with. we have example one, two, three, four, on health care where they fell short over and over. >> never made it to four. >> we were like 3.7 or something like that. but so you look at what their major legislative issue is and it's tax reform where senate leadership, house leadership, where the rank and file, they're all-in on tax reform and the same type of scenario. need 50 votes to move it forward, have little margin for error and senator corker for deficit reasons has already raised concerns about tax reform. will personal attacks matter? i think one of the most interesting issues here when you watch what's been happening here and frankly you've heard a lot of what senator corker said on the record, off the record, behind the scenes, on background over the course of the last nine months from several republican senators, from lots of senior gop aides, but they keep it quiet because they know this is their best kind of last chance to be able to achieve what they want on policy grounds. having covered congress for a long time and you've been up
here a long time too, the personal side matters. the personal side can make or break whether or not legislation moves through. people kill legislation because they're mad at someone. i don't know that's going to be the case here but i think while republicans might align on the top line on tax reform or on certain issues whether immigration, judges, all those types of issues right now, the personal side matters and the fact that there's just a severe disconnect and an on the roar manner with a crucial republican not on just something like tax reform but foreign policy, every issue that senator corker is going to have to deal with right now that matters, it's meaningful and will have long-term repercussions. >> yeah. this is not -- every senator, obviously, has a vote and matters but this is a senator who could be a real thorn in the side of this president with his posts as the chairman. caitlin, we talk about health care and a couple other things but one of the bigs issues facing the president and congress right now is what to do about the daca program and now the white house lays out its demands yesterday. what are they laying out? >> yeah. they laid out these series of
hardline immigration rules last night and, though, the president has said multiple times in recent weeks he did not expect a deal on daca to include funding for that border wall, that was the top of the list last night when they released these policies. it also included a crackdown on the influx of central american minors lives in the country and speedier deportations and curbing federal grants for the so-called sanctuary cities. if the white house gets everything they want here that they released last night it would be a serious tightening of immigration laws in the united states. >> so phil, what does this do to the talks over there? top democrats in the talks are clearly not happy. >> yeah. look it's a nonstarter, no question about it, and they're going to need democrats to move anything forward. this is going require a 60 vote threshold in the u.s. senate which means they need at least eight democrats if they keep all republicans together. i think it's worth noting the framework the democrats said was agreed to when this was initially announced is a framework that was a nonstarter for republicans up here on capitol hill.
they were saying the d.r.e.a.m. act would be the baseline for the daca portion of this agreement and the d.r.e.a.m. act is something that can't get republican support and the house and senate. there is knowledge it was going to have to be massaged but the interesting element in talking with republicans over the last couple weeks i have aheard the word whiplash repeatedly. first put on congress' plate. figure this out in six months. then allegedly a deal with democrats that republicans weren't going to sign on to. then over the course of the last two weeks, several republican senators including several who have hardline immigration positions some of which have their pieces of immigration proposals in the white house, principles released last night met for dinner with the president and the white house started to change its tune. the way it's been going back and forth like a pendulum here has made it difficult for those on capitol hill to figure out how to move this forward. the reality is this, they have from when this was announced, six months. these are real people who are dealing with real issues and the real possibility that if no deal is reached, deportation or losing their protection right now and as things currently stand, there is no real
framework for a bipartisan deal to move forward. does that mean it's dead altogether? no. a lot of people are viewing this as an initial proposal. this is where the negotiations are going to start and then move from there. there's no question about it everything that caitlin laid out is severely problematic for the same democrats, republicans are going to need, to ever move anything through. >> so just another day on capitol hill what is you're telling me. good to know. cate lip greeshggreat to see yo. matt bennett former clinton white house staffer, caitlin is a national political reporter for real clear politics, steve rogers member of president trump's advisory board and mark is a commentator and former george w. bush white house staffer. thank you for being here. start with bob corker, there are too many quotes and when anyone talks about adult day care i have to go there right away. fascinating to see a top elected official take on the leader of the party, yes. extraordinary, i would even say yes. but what is the motivation do
you think for bob corker to be speaking out to the "new york times" about this? >> bob corker can speak truth to power and freedom because he has liberation, not running for re-election. you don't see this courage from people who are still going to be working with the president and i wish we would. the one thing he said kate, i think it's worth reflecting on, i don't know why the president tweets out things that are not true. >> right. >> well let's think about that. why is he tweeting out things that are not true, because people believe what he says and his supporters believe what he says. if you muddy the facts and don't know what's true you can't criticize power. the president does not like to be criticized. this is a deflection and a distraction in order to embolden his base and delegitimize any criticism of him. >> does it delegitimize -- the way someone described it this morning, is this an intervention of some sort? do you see this as an intervention or is this more bob corker throwing in the towel? >> what's striking not only is bob corker a republican senator
but the chairman of the foreign relations committee, so you can look at it through a rhetorical and political lens that the message that this sends abroad to allies you can also look at it through a policy lens which is, he chairs a committee that is very powerful in terms of national security and foreign policy issues on the president's agenda, the iran deal if it goes back to congress, and other measures, so that's significant here. whether this encourages other republican senators to speak out is another question. they have not done so. to margaret's point corker is as many people have been saying uncorked because he is not running for re-election again. i think it's really important here on the foreign policy front, what kind of message this sends abroad at a time like this. >> steve, what do you make of this. >> here's what i make of it. an irony to this. bob corker shows up for work with his colleagues and gets nothing done. congress has not gotten much done to help the american people. president donald trump shows up for work and at least he's trying to get something done. and every time the president
tries to move forward, somebody, whether it be a democrat or in this case a gop, blocks him and stops him. he's not an establishment guy. the president is moving forward with an agenda he promised the american people and look his methods, people may not be happy with, but at the very least, he's very transparent, and he's trying to get the job done. >> do you think -- matt, do you think that's it? >> i guess what i'm hearing from steve is that this, no matter what bob corker says, this works in donald trump's favor? because donald trump can say he's not with us, he's against us? >> well, i couldn't agree less with steve's point. look, donald trump sold himself to the public as the guy that had the art of the deal mastered. he said, stupid people in washington are screwing everything up because they don't know how to cut deals. what deals has he cut? where has been the art or the deal? he's unable to deal with republicans in congress, he's unable to deal with other foreign leaders, and he's now
proven himself unable it deal with democrats in congress. he has done actually done nothing. he has moved his agenda forward not at all and so this idea that he is some sort of master negotiator has been proven false. and now, what he's doing with corker, even worse, he's engaging in this taunting with the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, in a moment when the world is very fraught, it's dangerous and it's not smart. >> i do wonder what practically, though, this changes about the state of play? that's just something to ponder, what does this change? does bob corker put other republicans in a corner? does bob corker -- bob corker -- >> here's what it does changes the top poggraphy -- >> he also didn't say. >> i'm now not going to vote for something that donald trump likes. he's just saying i don't like how the guy operates. >> a lot of people in the white house who don't like how donald trump operates and doing the patriotic thing working for this country and as bob corker said
be the responsible adults in the room. he will continue to execute his duties as a u.s. senator and the chairman of the armed services -- the foreign affairs committee the same way. >> want to make sure we get to it. this is very important issue talking about striking deals. this is one of the deals that donald trump was working on with democrats. daca and what to do about daca recipients. he spoke very powerfully about this. an emotional issue for him where he was separating himself from a lot of folks in his base on where he wanted to be on helping daca, protecting daca recipients and now this comes out from the white house, what's happening here? >> kate, he started the conversation, all right, i believe he's going to keep his promise to his base, to the american people. >> to build the wall. >> they have to keep in mind it's going to take time. we talked about him being a negotiator. >> do you think he's going to get protections for daca recipients done or -- >> i think he will do what's best for the american people at the end of the day and with all this -- >> that's up for interpretation right now. >> it is. but he made a promise to the people, we talked about the wall, we're talking about the
daca recipients. >> yeah. >> to a conclusion that will benefit everyone. you're right, he has a heart, he's a father, a grandfather, he gets it. but before the democrats and others jump the gun let's start talking the way we should be talking. >> okay. matt are democrats getting ready to jump the gun on this? >> absolutely not. the thing that came out last night as phil was noting is a complete nonstarter. not a single democrat in congress will get anywhere near it. that is not a negotiating position. that is a dead letter. i have no idea whether the president is serious about negotiating or not, but if he is, that was a really bad way to start. >> look, that was a document created for his base because the last thing the president did seriously undermined his base. the problem with that document it's also essentially comprehensive immigration reform from trump's perspective. you can't get that done. we know in the senate. you have to have a narrow piece of legislation. >> right now. >> but is this -- >> right now. >> what's wrong -- but what is
wrong with laying out an opening -- this is like a reopening position. because apparently started behind closed doors, i'm not sure where it ended up in terms of negotiating for daca recipients. >> when you look at the things that trump has proposed for the border wall, for example, he has backed away from lines that he has established, right, and the budget and other issues. >> a lot of republicans say they didn't know if they -- they didn't want to see border wall funding in this conversation. they wanted to see more security measures on the border. so -- >> exactly. he has backed away from things before which speaks to the broader point of members of congress don't necessarily really fear this president. so bringing this kind of back to the corker issue, issuing these threats against lawmakers at a time when you need their support, doesn't do you any favors and with democrats when trying to get a couple votes on tax reform because he might lose a couple, issues like immigration only make it more impossible for democrats to work with him. >> gets to the whiplash nature phil was talking about, who can you trust and when and on some level maybe that's exactly what trump likes to do.
you can see. >> kate, you asked the question where does it lead? to the 2018 midterms and we will clean house and then you'll see the change. >> okay. >> i agree with that. >> clean whose house? that's what i want to know. >> i was going to say. >> i like republicans not to lose the house. >> who's cleaning and who's going to pay for the house cleepg. we will establish the cleaning exercise later. appreciate. i'm not doing the cleaning. i won't. coming up, the backlash over the vice president's nfl counter protest. the white house says he walked out to stand for the flag, for the troops, the national anthem. others say it was stunt at a big cost to the american taxpayer. details on that ahead. plus, he was on voalium, up all day, on the las vegas shooter in his own words what it could mean now for the investigation. that's next.
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involves the vice president. when several players on the 49ers took a knee during the national anthem before they faced off with the colts on sunday vice president pence who was in attendance with his wife walked out. the vice president tweeting that he didn't want to dignify the players' protests which he said disrespects the troops, the flag and the anthem. instantaneously reigniting the debate over the long-standing nfl protests over racial injustice. president trump not only applauded the vp but asked him ahead of time to leave if any player did take a knee. some of the 49ers players were not so impressed. >> this is what it looks like, a man with power comes to the game, tweets a couple things out and leaves the game with an attempt to thwart our efforts. this is disheartening when everything that you were raised on, everything i was raised on, was to be the best person i can be, to help people that need help and the vice president of the united states is trying to confuse the message that we're trying to put out there.
>> joining me right now cnn's rene marsh with more on this. it's not just the protests by the vice president when it is the vice president it also involves taxpayer dollars. how much. >> that's right. let's walk you through this. the air force says it costs $30,000 per hour to fly a c-32, air force 2, the aircraft that the vice president flies on. pence's flight from las vegas to indianapolis on saturday took about three hours and 20 minutes, that costs about $100,000. pence then flew from indianapolis to los angeles on sunday, which took about four hours and 45 minutes, that cost $142,500. the grand total for that trip, $242,500. now, had he skipped the game that he left very quickly, the cost to fly from vegas to los angeles, would have been a lot lower. a total of $45,000. of course these flight estimates, kate, they do not include the cost of advanced
personnel, secret service and support on the ground. now some of the costs we should point out to los angeles, that will be reimbursed by the republican national committee because pence was attending a political event there, but this morning, critics are calling it a very expensive political stunt on the taxpayers dime because essentially it looks like, you know, the president by his own admission talked to the vice president about this and many people are saying look, this is the 49ers, you had to expect there was a high likelihood that someone was going to kneel, after all, this is colin kaepernick's former team. so the vice president is pushing back on all of this saying that this trip had been planned for a very long time and actually the vegas trip was added on to his schedule last minute and there was no way he was going to skip out on honoring the victims in las vegas. >> all right. there we have it. laying the groundwork. thank you so much. appreciate it. for more let me bring in
political commentator and host of b.e.t. news marc lamont hill and former director of black ute reach for george w. bush white house, parish denard. why is what pence did a stunt versus a protest in itself? >> well, it's staged. he made a decision to go to a game. nfl players aren't walking around looking for anthems to crash. they staged a protest at the game that they're supposed to be at because it's their job. mike pence knew ahead of time that if someone were to nekneel for the anthem he would leave. donald trump instructed him to do so. he knew the 49ers were playing the colts an the 49ers would kneel. according to jake tapper and others the press was told he would leave the game early. he went in knowing he was going to leave early. he has every right to protest but i find it interesting such taxpayer dollars would be be used for him to fly somewhere to protest and shine a bad light on players protesting police
violence as opposed to the anthem as he's suggesting. a disappointing waste of money and bad politics. >> paris, protest or stunt, i mean the protest and stunt can be the same thing. the fact that, though, the reporter traveling with the vice president whose job it is to track the movements of the vp, the reporter was told not to get out of the press van because it could be an early departure is that the beginning and end of what folks need to know about this. >> the beginning of the truth and the truth is, the only political stunt that we saw was done by the san francisco 49ers when they schochose to make a statement taking a knee to the anthem which many view in this country as being disrespectful to the flag. now what the vice president did was say to the -- if they are going to be disrespectful to the flag i will not stay and participate in this event. they did -- the vice president actually could have stayed the entire time, had -- had the san francisco 49ers not taken a knee. so he didn't know what they were going to do. that's why they told the press -- >> it's the 49ers.
>> that's not true though. >> they were going to kneel. >> i don't know they're going to kneel. >> folks -- >> nobody thought that -- >> folks have done it every game since last season. >> nobody thought the dallas cowboys would take a knee with their owner jerry jones at the game against the -- >> that's not the 49ers. >> hold on, paris. you're being dishonest, brother. >> i'm not being dishonest. >> let me -- >> you don't like my response. >> you're being -- okay. a player said i'm going to kneel every game this season. he said that at the beginning of the season. we are now in the middle of the season. he said i'm going to kneel every game this season. could you acknowledge it is reasonable to assume if a player says i'm going to kneel every game he's probably going to kneel every game this season. >> it's reasonable to assume somebody can make up their mind and say i'm not going to continue to be disrespectful to the flag i choose another way -- >> no. you're avoiding my question though. >> i'm not avoiding your question. my -- this is my response to you, mark. the vice president had a right to go to the game. the vice president decided -- >> that's not what i'm asking.
okay. >> the vice president decided if they take a knee, i'm going to leave. he told the press, if this happens, i'm going to leave. so what is the problem? >> okay. let -- but ply point -- >> the problem -- >> the difference mark, if the white house would just say yes, this was a stunt and wanted to prove a point? >> that's fine. just say that. even if paris is not answering my question still speaks to an issue -- >> mark this isn't your show so i don't have to answer you. >> we're having a conversation. it's just reasonable. but -- so don't answer. i'll answer for myself the player said i'm going to kneel tomorrow, mike pence knew he was going to kneel tomorrow and still came to the game. he made a decision to come to a game where he knew players would kneel so he could leave. that's okay. he has a right to do that. i'm not saying he's wrong to want to do that. call it what it is. protests are stunts. it's a spectacle, designed to draw attention to something. the players want to draw attention to police violence against black people and mike pence wanted to draw attention
to the black people as opposed to the issue of police violence. >> that's not the issue. >> he could -- let me finish. he could have stood up and said you know what i'm outraged at charlottesville and basically a kk rally that happened two days ago. he picks a fight with nfl players pro protesting police violence and misframes the argument saying they're disrespecting the flag, not once did mike pence mention police violence which the players were challenging. >> paris, do you -- >> i think -- >> go ahead. >> do you have a problem with the fact that this was -- when it involves the vice president and taxpayer dollars no surprise that the 49er players were going to kneel, they do it at every game. i mean does it -- is it a problem for you that it comes at the taxpayer expense? >> no, because if -- because at the end of the day if he would have stayed the entire game nobody would have had any complaints about him using taxpayer dollars to go to the event to honor peyton manning which is why he was originally going. look, he's the vice president of the united states.
any time any member of the vice president's team or the vice president or the president go anywhere it's going to be at the taxpayer's experience. this is not new to the -- this administration when president obama went to basketball games in town, out of town. >> absolutely right. >> that is what happens. >> i'm just saying -- >> my point it doesn't matter -- >> when it becomes obvious that it's going to be what it's going to be? >> well, listen, i don't -- the miami dolphins owner changed his mind when it came to protesting and said the president has changed this debate and made this debate about patriotism, and so they changed the policy. so the san francisco 49ers could have changed the policy. we do not know. the vice president went there, decided if they were going to be disrespectful he was going to leave, he left and went over. >> wow. >> i'm going to let mark have a thought. i don't think that folks that started the protests, started kneeling are going to say the president can change the contours of the debate. they weren't protesting patriotism. >> they don't get to decide -- >> the issue is the act, not their -- not their right to
protest against police brutality. it is the way they're doing it which is disrespectful and not patriotic. the owner of the dolphinses if has changed his tune. that's why jerry jones has said if you do it you're going to leave. >> go ahead, mark, have the last word. >> so again, the -- the issue here, the issue here is that you don't get to decide the meaning of other people's protests number one and number two, you don't get to decide other people's patriotism. and it's -- i find it that the height of arrogance for particularly for the president but or any white person to tell black people being oppressed your protest doesn't mean what you think it means or you're not patriotic because you are somehow challenging white supremacy and challenging violence. they don't get to decide that. it's not disrespectful to a flag to kneel any more than it's disrespectful to have a bus boycott ord bridge to set on the pettis bridge for the voting rights act. these are spectacles designed to draw attention to something. that's what this is about.
not the flag. the height of disrespect of the flag and anthem is mike pence using it as a stunt proper as opposed to what is really for from the highest ideals of the country what the players are trying do taking a knee and calling america to be as good as its democratic promise. >> this will come as no -- this won't make anybody feel unified but a win win for everybody. folks who don't like what they saw from mike pence can see a stunt and the president and mike pence can say they are standing up for the flag and that's what this issue is. it's not -- it's doing nothing to -- what it is becoming doing nothing to unify only to divide. it seems further. mark, paris, thank you, guys. >> thanks. >> happy to [ inaudible ] people's day. >> thank you, mark. this is just in to cnn. epa chief scott pruitt announcing the agency will overturn a major environmental rule from an obama era rule dealing with greenhouse gases and climate change. what do we know? >> well, kate, this was one of the big ideas on environmental
policy from the obama administration that's been no secret that president trump has intended to roll back these rules. now, one of the things we're hearing is that scott pruitt has now said in haz, kentucky, he plans to sign a proposed rule ta would roll back the obama era policy. it's also clear that there will be a comment period and an opportunity for individuals to put in suggestions on how and whether to put certain rules in their place. the significance of this, among other things, is that scott pruitt made this announcement in the heart of coal country, these rules have been a huge issue there for people whose livelihoods depend on the mining and selling of coal. so, scott pruitt making that announcement, expected to sign that proposed rule very soon, and onward to see whether the administration puts anything in its place at all or just leaves
it abolished if you will. back to you. >> more obama-era regulations rolled back or path forward that way. great to see you. thanks so much. coming up for us a cnn exclusive new details op the killer behind the massacre in las vegas in his own words he describes his battle with anxiety, million dollar a night gambling habit. what does it mean for those still recovering from their loss? we'll be right back. with a sore back.ke up but he's got work to do. so he took aleve this morning. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. tylenol can't do that. aleve. all day strong. all day long. also try aleve direct therapy with tens technology for lower back pain relief.
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in 2013. this was part of a civil lawsuit that stephen paddock filed for a slip and fall he had prior to that. in that deposition he calls himself the biggest video poker player in the world, saying that he would stay up all night long, sleep all day, and gamble up to $1 million in a single night. he also said that he was described valium by a doctor that he had essentially on retainer he would pay an annual fee for. that valium, he said, was for, quote, anxiousness. at one point he even described what he wore, his typical outfit for going into the casino and playing video poker, which was black sweat pantss and flip flops. if you're wondering about the outcome of that civil case, an independent arbitrator actually ruled in favor of the hotel. one other thing to point out about his mental health n that deposition, he was asked several times whether he had any mental
health issues, history of mental health issues, in his family and repeatedly he said no. we're also learning today from the las vegas review journal that stephen paddock's brother eric is in las vegas. the moment he stepped off the plane at mccarren airport he was interviewed by investigators for about four hours, said he's here to deal with his brother's remains but to help investigators to try to help them get inside the mindset of his brother and also make sure that they don't chase down any bad leads, kate. >> all right. scott, thank you so much with new details coming in. joining me now for more, katherine, a former senior fbi official who studied active shooter incidents for the fbi and jonathan, a cnn law enforcement analyst former secret service agent. thank you for being here. katherine, they're still looking for motive at the core of this investigation, right, looking for motive. when you were at the fbi you studied more than a dozen years of shootings in america, mass shootings. do you leave open the
possibility they won't find one? >> i think it's not a question so much of they won't find one, i think it's a question of, how quickly they'll find it. people are -- i appreciate that people are impatient but you have to appreciate that what we're looking for is a way to piece back a whole lifetime of what led a person to this. he was clearly a person who had a brittleness to him, where he wasn't able to deal with -- in the same way you and i might deal with our coping mechanisms for frustrationings and that's what they're going to try to piece together. this deposition is a tremendously valuable piece of information to help us to figure out what that history is. >> and that brittleness is a good word that i hadn't thought to use yet, katherine. jonathan, but when people think of okay, a lot of people are brittle, a lot of people have anxiety, not a lot of people are going to commit the large mass shooting in modern u.s. history.
so what -- where does that leave folks? i don't know if you call it an unsatisfying motive or just not -- >> listen, you know, through this investigation more and more is coming out and it is a disturbing trend here. angles and accuracy. so the more that we look at, you know, what investigators are looking at, look at the weapons systems. the weapons systems had optics on top to help him focus in his fire. we know that through reporting, he was trying to obtain tracer rounds. again, an accuracy issue. the note left in the room. angles, you know, bullet trajectory. he was somebody that was really focused on attacking that site in a concentrated area. you know, i'm thinking that there's a motive behind that. no one goes into this type of attack without a motive. these facts that are now coming out, you know, start painting a picture that, you know, he wanted to really get somebody in
the core of that crowd and i think that, you know, that will be the tell as this investigation moves on. >> the investigators are methodically working to try to figure it out. katherine, "60 minutes" had a powerful interview with a group of first responders, those who made it first to the hotel room, to the 32nd floor. i want to play just a bit of it, how they described some of what they came upon. listen to this. >> he had screwed shut the door with a piece of metal and screws in the stairwell going out to the hallway by his door. >> he knew we would be coming out that door to gain entry into his door. he tried to barricade it as best as he could. thankfully levi had a pry bar and was able to easily pop that door. >> the k9 cops, detective, and the s.w.a.t. officer now were a team. >> so essentially, you became the s.w.a.t. team. >> uh-huh. >> yes, pretty much. >> it was 12 minutes from the start of the shooting to when first -- the first officers
arrived on the 32nd floor. from your study and time at the fbi, what do you make of the response from -- >> impressive. >> from first responders? >> it's an impressive response and not unexpected. the las vegas pd the sheriff's team at metro is very well trained in this and i think as we all probably have come to recognize, that post-columbine, there was a concerted effort in the united states to train our law enforcement officers to make sure that whoever showed up, that was the team. so we don't need a s.w.a.t. team. we need the officers who show up to understand what each other is going to do and to go aggressively to the shoot, to get up to that floor, in 12 minutes, very impressive. >> all right. katherine, jonathan, thank you so much. i appreciate it. the investigation continues. coming up for us, a stunning new report on russia's efforts to influence the 2016 election for the first time google has found evidence that russian actors used its platform including gmail and youtube to
new evidence russia's meddling in the 2016 election went beyond facebook and twitter to the world's largest on-line advertising business, google. and not just the search engine, youtube. and gmail. even the company's double click ad network. "the washington post" broke the story this morning. joining me one of the reporters behind that report adam entities, great to see you. great reporting. >> thank you. >> like facebook google's first reaction there wasn't a problem on their platform. now that's changing. do we know how big of a problem this is for google? >> no, i think at this point, frankly, we don't know how big the problem is for all these
companies, but it's very clear that russians were being extremely sophisticated in deciding how to take advantage of our advertising ecosystem so that they could direct their ads to the people they wanted to direct these ads to. and so google is the latest, but i think it's just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how broad this effort was. >> some of the new details coming out on the facebook side has been some of the content of the ads, where those ads were targeted. do we know any of that information about -- for google? >> well, we have a little bit of detail. for example, we know that they were promotional ads for other candidates besides hillary clinton. so trump, sanders, stein, they were clearly pushing alternatives to hillary clinton. in terms of the kind of fueling the culture wars, which what is we saw when we look closely at the facebook ads. >> right. >> we're assuming it's going to be similar, but we actually don't have those details yet. i think what's very clear is that these companies, all of them, are just starting to come
to grips with this problem and the dollar figures associated with these ads is -- may very well be a gross understatement of how much is involved here. they just don't have any information on which to do their searchs. the u.s. government is not providing them with information that is collected by u.s. intelligence agencies which could help them finetune their estimates. so until that happens and frankly even after that happens, we may not be getting a full picture. >> and your report is that there's also evidence it's not the same -- when it comes to google, not the same russian troll farm behind google's ads as the one connected to the facebook ads. what do you think that means? >> well, what happened here is that, you know, what facebook did was it identified a troll farm that was out there publicly known that facebook knew about and from looking at that one location, they were able to identify the 470 accounts and
pages. twitter then used those same accounts in order to do their analysis. excuse me, google decided to take a different approach. they didn't look at the 470 that facebook had identified from that one single troll farm. what they decided to do was look through twitter data that they had to look for suspicious accounts which is how they got their estimate. but again, this is really cursory. they really don't have enough information yet to really get a full picture of what we're dealing with. >> yeah. and just the tip of the iceberg. as you mentioned. twitter, facebook, they're going to be testifying next month. see if google joins in on that. great to see you, great reporting, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up for us, the president's new cryptic warning for north korea after saying only one thing will work with pyongyang. what exactly is the president threatening? what is the president even saying? how will north korea respond? that's next.
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following. our country has been unsuccessfully dealing with north korea for 25 wreer, giving billions of dollars and getting nothing. policy didn't work. this comes after more cryptic tweets over the weekend where the president said only one thing will work with pyongyang. so far, we don't know exactly what that is. >> you'll figure that out pretty soon. >> the latest version of you will see, believe me. let's bring in will ripley. he spent a lot of time on the ground in north korea. great to see you. this all, this was all weekend and continued into this morning. oh, yeah and it was last weekend as well that the president was firing off about north korea. how are north koreans receiving this, it's vague, but consistent threat from the president? >> you know, i've been having conversation with the north koreans because they're also hearing from the state department and defense secretary that this is a diplomatic push, that the united states is
talking with north korea, that there are channels open and yet, north koreans are telling me channels haven't been activated and they see no point to have discussions with the trump administration because you have this bellicose rhetoric coming from the top from the president then the secretary of state saying we want to negotiate. what are they supposed to think? they are saying to me that sitting doung at the diplomatic table wouldn't result in anything. a deal they could rely on because even if a deal were negotiated, they're not convinced president trump would follow through on it. so you have north koreans frustrated with the mixed messaging, confused, trying to get answers. leaders around the region are very nervous that this could lead to an accidental war that would be far more cat trosk to people in this region than elsewhere and then this reshuffle of the north korean elite. you have kim jong-un promoting his younger sister and foreign minister to these major roles in top decision making body. the foreign minister is the one
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