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was reported in forbes that he challenged essentially the secretary of state, rex tillerson, to an iq test, that they should compare their iq tests. this was of course after tillerson called the president a moron. when sarah sanders was pressed on that during the briefing, she said it was all a joke, that the president's comment about taking an iq test was a joke and that the white house press should have a sense of humor. now, i did talk to a source this evening, anderson, who was close to the white house who says, no, the president was not joking when he made that comment. this is the quote that was given to me from the source. they knew he was pissed that people found out tillerson called him a moron, and he spouted off about the iq test because he was mad. this white house knows it was not a joke. and speaking of not being amused by all of this, heather nowart, the state department spokesperson, was asked about all this earlier today, and she insisted that tillerson does, in fact v a high iq. >> new developments also today.
the feud between corker and the president. >> reporter: also on the category, yes, this is real life, sarah sanders was asked about this back and forth between the president and senator bob corker. of course senator corker as you've been reporting said that the president could be leading the country into world war iii. the president obviously responded to that earlier this morning with that tweet referring to senator corker as liddle bob corker, talking about going off on the senator's height. sarah sanders was asked earlier today what about this notion from senator corker that the white house is sort of an adult daycare center. here's what she had to say. >> look, senator corker is certainly entitled to his own opinion, but he's not entitled to his own facts. the fact is this president has been an incredibly strong leader on foreign policy and national security, and he's been a leader on this front. and i think that's been seen and demonstrated time and time again since he took office.
>> now, it's interesting, anderson, sarah sanders was quoting another senator there, the late senator pat moynihan, who came up with that quote. you're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. that's amusing, i think, anderson because after all this is a white house that has talked about alternative facts. so they're accusing the senator of trying to use his own set of facts when, in fact, the white house has tried to do the same thing themselves over the previous months of this administration. >> it's also -- i mean, again, it is a continuation of the feud, but to call it a feud and sort of put it in the same category as, you know, the feud between ivana trump and melania trump, it sort of undercuts the severity of what senator bob corker said and the fact that it was senator corker saying on the record -- i mean talking about the possibility of world war iii or the fear of world war iii, saying that he knows for a fact that every day people in the white house are struggling to try to contain this president. >> reporter: right. i mean, you know, i've observed
before this is sometimes like covering bad reality television. it does sometimes sound like the real housewives of d.c. unfortunately these are the real leaders of the usa, and, you know, the president, for example, this morning, was tweeting that senator corker was set up when, in fact, "the new york times" as audio of senator corker agreeing with jonathan martin at "the new york times" that they would both record that interview. there was no setup if they were both talking to each other and both recording that interview. it goes to show you that at times, getting back to their own set of facts, this white house just lives in an alternate universe, a universe of alternate facts. you saw that play out today. >> it's also interesting because senator corker, one of the criticisms he made was that the president says things in tweets which are not true, and everybody knows it. and the people at the white house know it. and then the next day the president tweets out something which is not true as if to prove senator corker's point. but anyway, jim acosta, thanks. joining us now is kirsten
powers, scott jennings, and jeff r -- jeffrey toobin. the idea the president was joking in the realm of possibility, but when you look back at the number of times the president has gone to that oez chestnut of his amazingly huge iq, i mean he wasn't joking before. he talks about going to an ivy league school, about how smart he is, how he uses the best words and he brings up the iq an awful lot. >> it would be better if it was a joke obviously because it's a bizarre thing to do over and over. it's not usually people who are secure in their intelligence and their education don't talk about -- >> i've known really smart people. none of them have said to me, i'm really smart. >> i think it's a tell on his part he's insecure about it and he was obviously angry about what was said about him. >> jeffrey toobin, you went to an ivy league school? >> my iq is four digits. you know, i just -- you know, i
don't know anyone after junior high school who talks about their iq. i mean it's just so surreally juvenile. >> i think the mensa meeting people do. >> i've never been to one. >> i've seen it on, like, tv. >> but also i mean if we can just say about iq, having a high iq does not correlate to being a good president or being a good employee in any setting. so the idea that, oh, i have a big iq, thus i can do x, y, or z is completely ridiculous. >> jimmy carter, one of the smartest modern presidents we had. we talk about being a peanut farmer, but nuclear engineer. not a great president. so, yeah, there's no correlation. but, look, donald trump sees the world through a certain pecking order, and i think intelligence is certainly part of that. >> he commented that the shooter in las vegas was probably smart. i'm not sure that's a great -- >> he also complimented the
leader of north korea for being resilient and smart. >> and saddam hussein. >> i'm going to the height think. little marco, liddle bob corker. donald trump, if you are bald, if you are short, you're not worthy. you're not equal. there's something wrong with you. maybe bob corker would have been secretary of state. that's been suggested or reported, had he been a couple of inches taller. you can discriminate -- by the way, you can discriminate against short people in this country and pretty much get away with it. you can't say -- you can't talk about people being fat. you can't talk about people -- age is discrimination. you can talk about people being short and little marco -- >> it's interesting that the president does zpero in on what he perceives as somebody's weakness whether it's a disability or a height or
whatever it is, and i mean he goes for that, which as a candidate is one thing. again, as president, it's interesting. >> yeah, and what did we all learn in junior high and high school? it's that the person who is the biggest bully is the person who is the most insecure and that they are trying to prove something. we all know the stories about donald trump, how he's always trying to fit in. he always wanted to be part of new york elite, and he never quite got there. he has always tried to prove and in politics, recently in this election, always tried to prove that this election was legitimate. the reason why he doesn't want to admit that russia meddled in our elections. but this is a lifelong trait for donald trump, and what is -- >> he's won. he's president of the united states. he's like the most powerful person on the planet. >> in his mind, he still has so much to prove because only 33%, 34% of the people who are now supporting him are the only ones who are supporting him. >> he does do this too because he wants to drag other people
down to his level. so when he did the little marco thing, remember how marco rubio overreacted and actually kind of debased himself, right? so we already saw corker -- i mean previous to the little thing, already starting to debase himself. this is what happened. people start getting pulled tiny -- into it. it does knock them off kilter. >> it has another effect which is distracting. if you look at this interview, which goes on quite a while. they talked -- forbes talked to the president for almost an hour. at one point he said there's not much time left for diplomacy for north korea. and a statement was put out that the president met with his advisers and went through plans to start a military attack or to act preemptively against the north korean threat, which is a very serious thing. it goes right to the heart of the substance of what senator corker was talking about. but the president's use of the iq thing and calling him liddle
bob corker has the effect of making everybody not talk about the substance of the discussion. >> i'll give you some observations from the heartland. i think there's a lot of people in this country that the president has appealed to who feel like they're made to feel like they're not smart on any given day by some jerk boss, hollywood, media, washington people. they make them feel like you're not smart enough. you're not good enough. and sometimes the president says things that they wish they could say, but they can't. and so on this iq thing when he says, you know, i'm smart. you know, i think sometimes people believe he's channeling some of the feelings they have, but they can do nothing about it. but he sort of speaks for them, and so he comes back to this iq thing a lot. >> i always look to billionaire casino magnates when i'm downtrodden. >> i think he makes an interesting point. >> i think scott is absolutely right. that was the brilliance of how he actually got elected. but let's realize everything
that we just said, whether it's bullying, whether it's distracting because of north korea, because he doesn't want to admit that russia meddled in our elections, that he's insulting other people, we're talking about the president of the united states. and that, i think, is the bottom line of why so many people now like bob corker are concerned. >> i think scott does have a point about his supporters. i mean i was just at a republican party event in arkansas, and you know, like a real base event. what i heard over and over again was, you know, he's not politically correct. he just -- he's just, you know, too honest. now, the question is what percent of the population that group is. i mean i have no doubt that they will strongly supportive of him. you know, whether that's enough to persuade congress to do things, much less for him to get reelected, i think that's a problem he's facing now. >> when we sit here, though, and sort of -- we all go nuts about these things he says, there is a
group of people in this country who when he does these things and we all get spun up, they say, you know what, he's telling the country -- the media people in this country to go to hell, and i kind of like it. >> you know why? >> it's called degradation and it's because we live in a society that's become a reality tv show society. it's not the way the country should be. i think you're right, and i think it's a problem. >> let's take a break. we'll continue this discussion. we've got more to talk about with what maria's called president's lifelong trait. his habit of demeaning anyone who disagrees with him. later with all the accuser coming forward, all the sexual misconduct allegations against harvey there's react from president obama as well as hillary clinton. we'll look at the sickening allegations at the heart of all of this. thank you clients? well jd power did just rank them highest in investor satisfaction with full service brokerage firms... again.
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crooked hillary clinton. jeb bush is a low energy person. he's very low energy. >> during the campaign it was effective because he actually would sort of zero in on, you know, perceived weaknesses of jeb bush's low energy, so things would sort of stick. i get why he would do it during the campaign. i don't know there's a strategy to do it now. it's just what his gut reaction is. >> don't you think it's the same thing? i think the same idea is he thinks he's planting something, a, in the heads of people about the person. and then he's also try to suck them into his game, which is to -- you know, or he's just really juvenile, or maybe all three things. >> it's a branding strategy. remember, close to 90% of the republican party approves of the job he is doing, and a great many of them take their cues about they feel about policy and other politicians from how he feels. so, you know, he wants to draw somebody in with a nickname, he's signaling to them, i need
you to view them the same way i do. >> but he's not running against bob corker. >> but he always needs an enemy though. >> he may need an enemy, but calling hillary clinton crooked hillary or lyin' ted cruz served his interest. degrading and demeaning bob corker is at odds with his interest. so it's like an immediate -- maybe there's some immediate satisfaction. over the long haul, this is very dangerous territory for him if he wants to actually, say, get a tax bill through. >> you think it is? do you think it actually -- i mean would bob corker actually -- >> would john mccain have killed health care reform if he had been nicer to him? like maybe if it's on the bubble, i mean if it's like i could go 50/50 -- >> his interest -- like i'm not defending what he's doing. but his interest is that corker has said some pretty seriously bad things about him. so he wants people to think bad
things about corker. he's trying to discredit the person who is criticizing him. you know, so i think there is a method to the madness. i don't think it's presidential, but -- >> so, yes, i think that's right. and, scott, you are great at explaining trump. but you have never said, one way or the other, whether you think what he's doing is good for the country, whether you think what he's doing is good leadership not just for the country, but even for the republican party. do you like what he's do something do you think this is how a leader should act? >> well, in this particular case, to the point about corker being a possible no vote on tax reform, i think the ball we should all be watching is tax reform was already teetering before this fight occurred. i'm not sure they have the votes for the budget resolution next week that they have to pass to get to tax reform. corker has already expressed reservations about any tax package that adds to the deficit. >> it's such an artful way you do not answer the question. >> thank you. >> you ought to run for office. >> my iq is enormous.
i've had complaints. i've had complaints. >> good job, little scott. >> you all don't understand what he was saying. >> we have to join mensa. >> but i mean it is also interesting, again, because kellyanne conway was saying yesterday world leaders are watching, and these are irresponsible tweets. and then, you know -- >> that was astounding because that is one of the things that is so disturbing about this president. and frankly -- and i've said this before -- what corker is saying, i think -- and we've all heard this and you all that report about this have heard this too. privately, many republicans, not all of them, many republicans agree 100% with what corker has said. they believe this president is unstable. they believe that the job of the people around the white house is to keep him from continuing to be unstable. god forbid to go for the nuclear codes when the leader of north korea pisses him off. so, again, do you think that is
good leadership, scott? do you and the people who support him -- do you support how he is acting right now? >> well, no, i don't support the breakdown of the relationships that he needs to pass an agenda. >> so is it all -- i don't mean to pick on you but since we are. >> go ahead. >> it sounds like your only concern is if donald trump misbehaves and it stops donald trump from passing donald trump's agenda. and i think that is a problem. but there's a larger problem is that donald trump is destroying norms. >> yes. >> that could impact democracy and this country like ongoing. are you concerned about those? >> well, number one, i think you're being a little dramatic. number two -- >> i don't think so. >> no, i don't think he is. >> i want donald trump to pass his agenda because it's the agenda that not only he ran on, but virtually the entire republican party ran on. and failure to pass repealing health care and now tax reform, people don't understand the political implications of this. the failure, the stink of failure will stick with the
republican party -- >> i also want to back up, scott, because for somebody who supports the president's agenda, you were one of the few people who, in the past, has repeatedly pointed out when you disagree with something that the president has done on style or whatever. you know, what you often say is, look, i want the president's agenda to pass. i wish he wasn't doing this. so i give you big props for, you know -- >> look, he does things that i would not do, and he does things that make some people uncomfortable and certainly make me uncomfortable. but at the end of the day, as a republican party, what's the purpose of a party if not to pass some agenda that you ran on? so right now he's destroying -- >> yes, he is destroying a lot that this country stands for. so at what point do you draw the line? at what point do republicans get to where corker is to say, enough is enough? >> i think, scott -- i'm using scott as a point. i think that if we were able to do real tax reform that would stimulate the economy -- i'm a
conservative guy, i'm a free market guy. i think that would obviously be good. that's an important thing to me, and i wish that donald trump do get his act together. >> is he setting the ground work for that? >> i don't think that's the only thing. i think that's an immediate political goal. there's also a larger point about political norms and preserving -- what i would call it, conservative, you know, world view. >> how about just leadership? >> the bigger problem with corker may be that corker has said he's not going to vote for any tax bill that increases the deficit. >> mm-hmm. >> and everyone says that this tax bill will greatly increase the deficit. now, republicans tend to only care about deficits when democrats are president. but it is true that this is a big problem independent of the whole insulting business. >> you're raising a greater point about our culture. >> yes. >> did our culture give us president trump or did president trump give us our culture? i would argue that american
culture has been going in this sort of direction for a long time, and he is the result of that, not the cause of it. we're going to need to get used to it because we're going to see politicians like this in both parties for the foreseeable future. >> god help us. >> we need to take a quick break. when we come badge, breaking news. the obamas and hillary clinton weighing in on harvey weinstein plus an audiotape of him pressuring a woman in a hoe tte suite. you'll hear all of that next. for years, i suffered from abdominal pain and bloating.
in a new report by the new york times. the new yorker magazine spoke with 13 more women accusing him of sexual assault, three of whom accuse weinstein of forcing them into sex. the magazine has a recording secretly obtained during an nypd sting operation. the woman speaking to weinstein, a model. they're in a hotel. in it, you'll hear weinstein admit to groping her. >> what do we have to do here? >> nothing. i'm going to take a shower. you sit there and have a drink. >> i don't drink. can i stay in the bar? >> no. i won't do anything. just sit with me. don't embarrass me in the hotel. i'm here all the time. >> i'm feeling very uncomfortable. >> please come in now. >> why yesterday you touch my breast? >> come on, i'm used to that. >> you're used to that? >> yes, come in. >> the tape was handed over to the district attorney in manhattan. the d.a. told us the recording was horrifying but insufficient to prove a crime had occurred. tonight reaction to the scandal
from president obama with weinstein being a top democratic donor. michelle and i have been disgusted about the reports about harvey weinstein. any man who demeans and degrade women in such a fashion needs to be condemned and held accountable regardless of wealth or status. we should celebrate the courage of women who have come forward to tell these painful stories and we need to build a culture by empowering our girls and teaching our boys dees ensay and respect. >> hillary clinton says, i was shocked and appalled by the revelations of harvey weinstein. the behavior described by women coming forward cannot be tolerated. their courage and the support of others is critical in helping to stop this kind of behavior. back with the panel as well as brian stelter. kirsten, this was, for hillary clinton, this was, what, like five days after "the new york times" broke the story, and there was growing pressure about, you know, she's a big democratic -- he's a big democratic donor. photographs of them together. did it take her too long?
>> i think it did. i know jeffrey has been saying the timing doesn't matter that much, but when you are -- it's not just that she's a democrat. she's a major force in the world for women's rights and is somebody that a lot of women look up to. and this is somebody that she was associated with. but even if she hadn't been associated with him, i think she probably should have said something. it's not clear to me why it took so long, and it wasn't even her statement. i mean it was put out by her press secretary and she re-tweeted it, but it wasn't even -- i don't understand why the day this came out, she wasn't on twitter condemning it. it doesn't make any sense to me. >> i mean had he been a republican, would it have been a different story? would the criticism by her -- >> i don't know. i mean i think that the bigger problem for both the clintons and the obamas was their embrace of him previously. i mean this was not a huge surprise. you know, seth mac far land made a joke about him preying on actresses in the 2013 oscar nominations. i mean it was that really known
that he was a boor if not a criminal. and the fact that the clintons and obamas embraced him i think is a dark mark on their record. whether they issued a criticism today or two days ago, i don't think that matters. i think what matters is that they were close to him in the first place. >> i think the perception of him would have been before would that he was sleazy. he was using the casting couch. >> but the casting couch is sexual harassment. >> it goes beyond just harassment it seemed like in many cases. but i think years ago -- and maybe there has been some sort of a shift openfully. but i think years ago in hollywood maybe it was just seen as, oh, he's a boor or gross or a pervert. >> this does raise an interesting sort of side point which could get me in trouble but i'm going to do it anyway. obviously he's accused of rape. that's obviously a black and
white issue, right? groping is obviously wrong. threatening, quid pro quo, if you don't do this, i'm going to fire you. those were obviously like criminal and evil things to do. >> oh, god, there's going to be a but, and you're going to regret saying it. >> however, so he denies any, you know, unwanted sexual contact, at least for now. we should say that. but i guess my question is what are the rules? what are the rules because if you are a powerful man, if you're a boss -- he called these women, by the way, colleagues. i don't know if they're colleagues or subordinates. but what are the rules? >> are you really asking that? >> i'm asking the -- >> did you listen to that tape? that's against the rules. >> of course that is. but let me tell you what i'm getting it. >> what's the mystery? >> if you are a powerful man in this country, you're an important -- you're a celebrity or whatever, are you -- let's say you're not married. are you allowed to hit on younger men? >> no. >> you're not?
>> no. >> let me make one more point. >> also he is married. >> in the olden days -- >> we're not in the olden days. we're not in the olden days. >>. [ overlapping voices ] >> it has weird unintended consequences because it used to be that doctors married nurses and lawyers married clerks, and that was part of social mobility and less income and -- >> if you're in college and you want to be an actress and this person is dangling a script over your head or suggesting perhaps, oh, i can get you in a movie if you do this stuff -- >> that's a quid pro quo, though. >> but he's asking for massages. he's exposing himself to them. i mean did up read the new yorker? >> i'm not defending weinstein. i'm didding the larskg the -- >> there's not one incident where he was courting somebody. he's clearly harassing them. >> he wasn't hitting them.
he was committing sexual assault. >> married by the way. >> just the fact that you ask that question -- no, no, it's disturbing that you don't -- that you would know in a situation like that, i hope -- >> i think i would. >> what to do and what not to do. >> i'm not sure all men know what the rules are. >> i think that's a good point because i think there is a broad cultural problem that people don't understand -- no. it's not that people don't understand. i think there's too much of an acceptance of sexism and misogyny in our culture. i'm going to say this as somebody who sat and watched a lot of people lionize and revere hugh hefner recently, somebody who made his life out of objectifying women and who viewed women as objects in the same way that harvey weinstein viewed women as objects. i know people will come back and say, no, no, he was a big free speech advocate, or, no, no, he published lit reterary giants. if he hadn't put naked women in
magazines, we would never have been talking about him. so we live in a culture that demeans women to the point that you, matt, don't understand what's the problem here. >> no, i -- i think you're being a little hard on matt. >> i want to make a point about the liberal -- >> matt, you can respond. let's take a quick break. again, two big stars, gwyneth paltrow, angelina jolie speaking out. the number of accusers climbs higher. so do legal questions. we'll have more of that ahead. we got you covered. [ glass shatters ] property damage? that's what general liability's for. what?! -injured employee? -ow. workers' comp helps you pay for a replacement. what's happening? this is carla. how's it going? and if anything comes up, our experts are standing by. ♪ boo!
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brethe new york times is reporting gwyneth paltrow and angelina jolie saying he harassed them years ago. an explosive report in the new york magazine with more accusers and more legal questions. we're back now with the panel. matt, i think you had the floor. >> thank you. you mentioned the political angle earlier, and i didn't want to let that opportunity go to waste. i do think there's a political angle to this. i think that conservatives -- if this were a conservative, hillary would have obviously spoken off. part of it is the perceived hypocrisy. conservatives in the past have portrayed themselves as ar bitters of morality whereas a lot of liberals have said, hey, man, we do what we want to do. so they don't have the hypocrisy angle. but, look, i mean if it's ted kennedy and chappaquiddick,
woody allen. you mentioned hugh hefner. what about bill clinton? there was a journalist, i think her name was nina burlay, who said -- i won't repeat exactly what she said, but she basically suggested she would do something to bill clinton as long as he kept abortion legal. so i do think that liberals and democrats were held to a different standard partially because of the hypocrisy issue, but partially because the perception was, well, but they have the right idea. >> harvey weinstein was clearly playing on that in his earlier statement where he said, well, i'm going to go away and focus my anger on the nra, which just seems -- >> but no one in the liberal world gave him an ounce of support when he said that. >> that's true. >> he has been completely rejected. this absurd attempt to -- and, you know, we've managed to have this conversation about sexual harassment in powerful people. is there anyone in public life
now who is prominent who has succeeded despite admitting to sexual assault of women? the president of the united states. >> thank you. >> what about him? you know, i think it's shameful. it's too bad that, you know, hillary clinton didn't issue this statement 72 hours earlier. how about getting elected president of the united states? >> thank you. >> after you admit you sexually assaulted -- >> that's -- >> don't insult me. i don't mean to interrupt, but don't insult me. >> i think that -- you know, that is a very significant point about where we are as a country, that you can get elected president of the united states after admitting -- >> brian, we haven't heard from you. >> and president obama's statement tonight is an implicit critique of trump. when obama says any man who demeans or degrades women should be condemned and be held accountable, he's talking about the president of the united states. it's interesting to talk about clinton and obama, but the
biggest sinner here is harvey weinstein. let's be clear about that, and the biggest ongoing issue is not bill clinton with all due respect. it's donald trump. >> and the thing is that, you know, you talked about bill clinton, and i'm so glad you brought up donald trump because that is the biggest hypocrisy. you know, you have republicans who are demanding that hillary say something, who are demanding that obama said something. yes, so they said something. but democrats are not going to elect harvey weinstein president of the united states. so i think that what we have to do -- >> there were plenty of people who gave him awards and embraced him because -- >> i agree, and i think that's disgusting. you know, democrats -- the democrats who are in office now who had his money are now going to give it back, and i think that's the right thing to do. but at the end of the day, republicans, to be criticizing democrats for supporting harvey weinstein when they elected the president of the united states -- >> yeah, it's a side show. >> looked away after the "access hollywood" tape. >> do you think the clintons
should give back money he gave them? >> if it's possible. i don't know if those accounts exist or if that is money that is even there. that's why the democrats who are in office now and the committees who have taken his money recently, they are all giving it back. >> the democrat national committee gave it to other democratic committees. >> but you know what, scott? we didn't elect a sexual predator president of the united states. >> you didn't in the '90s? >> was he a self-professed female genital grabber? and did he or did he not get pee impeached? he paid for it. >> this is a filthy disgusting story. here's what i think. this is going to possibly inspire and rip the lid off who else out there in hollywood is engaging in this conduct. there's like this eye-opening tweet storm from the actor terry cruz tonight. >> i saw that. >> who was groped recently apparently at a party by a male hollywood executive. he didn't out the executive, but he said, i need to tell this
story so the guy knows who he is and he stops doing it. how many more people are going to come forward? if the net result of this is weinstein gets what he deserves and other people are inspired to come forward and the culture is cleaned up, that would be at least some positive outcome here. >> scott, i would say that's a much more important part of the story than who donated to who. >> i agree completely. >> this is a profound cultural shift in america. thank goodness it's happening versus a decade or two decades ago. >> who said it's happening? >> roger ailes, bill o'reilly, these men were accused deck aad ago and they stayed in their jobs. >> i think it also would be progress if we didn't do what just happened here which is everybody went to their corners, and we have to pretend like bill clinton wasn't accused of sexual assault, which he was. >> and he was impeached by the way. >> he was for monica, but there were other accusations and if we believe all rape accusations should be believed, then there are some serious accusations against bill clinton.
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saying we don't believe that's accurate. now, we have heard from law enforcement since then as you might imagine. law enforcement telling us they are indeed pretty sure it's accurate, and they are going to stick with that with the facts they now have. anderson. >> there's more breaking news as well. wildfires across california, from okay county in the south to wine country in the north. at least 15 people have died. one of the deadliest fire outbreaks in california. dan simon has the latest. >> reporter: from northern to southern california more than a dozen wildfires still burning out of control. >> trying to get out of here. we saw it going across the road. it's all bad. >> reporter: 50 miles northwest of san francisco, flames tore through parts of santa rosa, california. turning cars and subdivisions into ash. >> screaming, fire, fire, fire, get out. >> it just happened so fast. just had time to run away. >> cars and harlies and boats
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time now for the "ridicu-list," and tonight we can all sleep well knowing that the president of united states thinks he's smarter than his secretary of state. he said this to forbes regarding rex tillerson calling him a moron. quote, i think it's fake news, but if he did that, i guess we'll have to compare iq tests around i can tell you who would win. here is the states department spokesperson today. >> what's the secretary's iq? >> it's high. anybody that can put things together -- >> you don't have a -- >> it's high. >> once again from the briefing room the white house press secretary said the president did not say what he said, but she also threw in a free comedy lesson.
>> the president certainly never implied that the secretary of state was not incredibly intelligent. he made a joke. nothing more than that. again, he wasn't questioning the secretary of state's intelligence. he made a joke. maybe you guys should get a sense of humor and try it sometime. >> oh, it's a joke. knock knock, who's there? iq test. iq test, who? iq test i would win. yeah, i don't get it. maybe the humor is too subtle and went over my head. as we know, this president is constantly making jokes and pithy observations. in fact we pulled together a highlight reel of all his best jokes. yeah, there aren't any. i ask you was it more likely he was making his first joke in 71 years or he was continuing this pattern. >> they say is donald trump an intellectual?
trust me, i'm like a smart person. i'm like a smart person. i'm really smart, really, really smart. when you're really smart, like really, really smart like i am -- my iq is much higher than theirs, all right? i have a very good brain. i know words, i have the best words. but there's no better word than stupid. >> just my own little life lesson, when you're really smart, you don't need to say you're really smart. if the president wants to put his brain where his mouth is, there's this, quote, american mensa would be happy to hold a testing session for president trump and secretary tillerson. i would totally watch that. on whatever premium cable channel that aired it. unlike the president, i don't know who would win. but if it's possible one of the contestants doesn't know how to spell the word little, which is fine. there's some other jokes where he can't spell. honored, here by, healing,
counsel, principal. the list goes on and on. i don't want to skew the results, but the president might want to warm up with a closed door white house-only spelling bee before he enters the competitive world of pay-per-view. a world i may have just invented but i'm very much into, because this is where we are people, on the "ridicu-list." thanks for watching "360." "cnn tonight" starts right now. president trump lashing out in a not at all presidential way after a top republican says he is setting us on a path towards world war iii. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. these are some of the things the president has talked or tweeted today, suggesting he'd like to compare his iq test to rex tillerson's. don't worry, he was joking -- or not. also giving the chairman of the foreign relations committee, the nickname "little bob corker." that's little with two d