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saving american people from the nightmare of obamacare. and pressures democrats to get on board or else. >> they are like obstructionists. if they came over, maybe we could make a deal. >> some republicans say it's the american people who will pay the price. key republican senator susan collins is here to react. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of the union is changing our course. president trump tries to dismantle obamacare and the iran nu nuclear deal. president trump fell short of terminating the bill altogether though he did leave the option on the table. >> in the event we are not able to reach a solution working with congress and our allies, then the agreement will be terminated
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this follows a strong rebuke from the european union's foreign policy chief. >>. >> it does not belong to any single country and it is not up to any single country to terminate it. >> here to discuss this and much more is the secretary of state rex tillerson. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure, jake. >> so before we get to what the president did, i compliance. >> the jcpoa is a multiparty
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agreement. there have been multiple issues but under the agreement and this is part of the weaknesses and the flaws, iran has a significant period of time to remedy those violations. and so they have remedy the violations which brings them back into technical compliance. i think, though, that demonstrated pattern of walking right up against the edges of the agreement gives us some concern as to how far iran might be willing to go to test its limits of the agreement. our response has been to work with the other parties and demand that we be much more demanding about the enforcement of the agreement and about disclosures. that's what we are shifting since we have taken our table at the joint commission. >> president trump did not withdraw, as he could have. did he want to withdraw
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unilaterally before he was persuaded to pursue what might be described as a middle course? >> the president wants a comprehensive strategy. for too long the last administration is flawed and has a number of agreements in it but the president said throughout the campaign, i'll either reform the agreement, renegotiate the agreement and say i'll either fix these flaws or we'll have to have another agreement entirely. i think the new policy is consistent with that. now we want to deal with the nuclear agreement weaknesses but deal with the threats that iran poses to the region, our friends and allies, and threats, therefore, to our own policies. the president describes these in his speech.
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there's the nuclear agreement to address the many flaws, working with partners and maybe it's not within the existing agreement and we may undertake a secondary agreement. there's broader arrays of the support of terrorist organize sgrag organizations and destabilizing yemen to support the rebels and houthis and iran's activity destabilizes the region and threatens us. but the third element of the policy is, this is not about the iranian people. this is about the regime in iran. this revolutionary regime that ever since it came to power has been intent on killing and harming americans. we do not hold the iranian people accountable for that. our effort is to support the moderate voices and support their cries for democracy and freedom in the hope that one day the iranian people will retake
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control of the government of iran and restore it to the rich history of the past and become a fruitful member. that's a very long game and we realize that. >> before the senate not long ago, your counterpart secretary mattis was asked if he thought staying in the agreement was in the interest of the united states, not whether he wanted to improve on the deal or added a a secondary deal but to stay in it or leave. it sounds like you would not want congress to immediately impose sanctions that would end this deal. >> i do agree with that and i think the president does as well. that's why he took the decision he took, working with the other signature signature na tors and
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we want to take it as it exists today, be very demanding and then begin the process of addressing these flaws that we see around not the absence of addressing ballistic missiles, for instance. the concerns we have are around the sunset provisions. we've seen this in the past in the '90s, agreements that ultimately phase out. what happened put us on the road to where we are with north korea. we don't want to find ourselves in that position with iran. >> you talk about working with european allies. as you know, our european allies are very concerned about the step that president trump took on friday. i want to show you what the german foreign minister said. what is happening in iran will not remain an iranian issue but many others in the world will consider whether they themselves should acquire nuclear agreements given that such agreements are being destroyed. i guess the question there is,
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as voiced by the german foreign minister, why should north korea believe anything that the president has to say if the president has shown his willingness to walk away from agreements about nuclear weapons? >> the united states will expect a very demanding agreement with north korea, one that is very binding and achieves the objectives not just with the united states but with the policy objectives with china. we intend to be very demanding in that agreement and if we achieve that, there will be nothing to walk away from because the objective will be achieved. the issue with the iran agreement is it does not achieve the objective. it postpones the objective. we're going to stay in and work with our european partners and allies to see if we can't address these concerns, which are concerns of all of us. >> secretary of state rex tillerson, stay right here.
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negotiate with rocket man. now, if i were a north korean official and you were there trying to solve this problem, i might think secretary tillerson doesn't really speak for trump.
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>> as you're aware, president trump has had two major face-to-face meetings, the summit in mar-a-lago in hamburg and i have a very close relationship with the state counselor of china who reports directly to president xi on their foreign policy. rest assured that the chinese are not confused in any way towards what our actions or efforts are directed at. >> do tweets like that undermine you? >> i think what the president is doing is trying to motivate action and in particular the regime in north korea. i think he wants to be clear with kim jong-un, that regime in north korea, that he has military preparations ready to go and has those military options on the table and we've spent substantial time
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perfecting those. y but be clear, the president is not seeking to go to war. >> so he doesn't think it's a waste of time? >> no. those diplomatic efforts will continue until the first bomb drops. >> the relationship that secretary of state has with the president is one of the most important relationships in the world. nbc reported that you were frustrated with president trump over the summer and you called him a moron during the meeting at the pentagon. you've dismissed the situation as petty. but this is one of the most important relationships between you and president trump. is it true, did you call him a moron? >> jake, as i indicated earlier, i'm not going to deal with that kind of petty stuff. this is a town that seems to relish gossip, innuendo and they
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feed on it. they feed on one another in a very destructive way. i don't work that way and deal that way and i'm not going to dignify that question. the president and i have a very candid and open relationship. i speak to him nearly every day. i'm in the oval office a number hours a week. we have an open exchange on policy. at the end of the day, he makes decisions and i go out and execute the decisions the best i can and he understands at all time what we are trying to achieve to implement his foreign policy. he has a symbol of a very unconventional team and i'm an unconventional pick for secretary of state but that's because he does not accept the status quo with the threats that are confronting us and it's going to take forcing action and oftentimes the tweets or
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decisions he takes are intended to cause this forcing action to get off of this status quo. so whether it's the decision on the iranian agreement that was announced to force action to address this defective agreement and whether it is on forcing north korea to move to a different engagement, all of those are steps the president is taking to enforce action. the american people elected him to change the status quo and that's what he's doing. >> ever since you called it petty, i've been thinking a lot about it because i'm a reflective guy and i understand the media makes mistakes and could improve. but here's the thing. either you didn't say it, in which there are a whole bunch of administration officials telling the president that you did and that's a serious problem, or you did say it and, look, you're a serious go serious guy, for you to say something that reflects a real frustration with the commander in chief. so when you don't answer the
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question, it makes people think that you probably did say it. but either way, whatever happened, it is serious. so can you please clear it up? >> as i said, jake, i'm not playing. these are the games of washington. these are the destructive games of this town. they are not helpful to anyone. and so my position on it is, i'm not playing. you want to make a game out of it, i'm not playing. >> i'm not making a game out of it. i'm trying to seek clarity because saying that if i said that my boss was a moron, that would be a serious issue and my boss doesn't control news. i'm willing to move on, but i just want to be clear, you still haven't denied that you called him a moron and a lot of people are going to watch this and think, he probably said it. >> i'm not dignifying the question with an answer, jake, and i'm a little surprised that you want to spend so much time on it when there are so many issues around the world to deal with. >> i want to say something about
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bob corker who is friend of yours, speaks highly of you all the time. he says you're one of the best things about the cabinet and he's displaced, he thinks president trump is constantly undermining you. he said that the president has, quote, castrated you before the world stage. that's his word. not mine. what's your response to that? >> well, as i indicated earlier, jake, i think this is an unconventional president. he uses unconventional communications tools and unconventional tools to motivate people to make change. this is a place that you know better than i, this is not a place that likes to change. it actually enjoys the status quo. the anything anyone likes to do in this town is make a decision because you're suddenly accountable for that decision. >> true. >> and so the president is out trying to motivate people to change, whether it's on health care, whether it's executive
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action to motivate that change or executive orders around immigration to motivate that change and whether it's under the iran deal on friday, it's to motivate a change. people in this town get very nervous and get very uptight about having to make serious decisions. so the president is timly trying to do that in his very unique style and he is very unique. >> hard to dispute that. >> but again, i would say i am fully committed to his objectives. i agree what he's trying to do. how he wants to use his own skills tactically to push things towards change, i'm here to help achieve those. >> you have a cattle ranch. you don't want to say anything about the senator suggesting that you've been gelded before
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the world? >> i am fully intact. >> ben cardin slammed the administration and it was clear president trump didn't want to sign that into law but it does seem, at least according to mccain and cardin, the administration is slow-walking the administration of these. what is your response? >> with respect to russia, we're being very careful to develop the guidance that companies need because there are important allies and partners in nato who need specific guidance so they don't run afoul of the sanctions act as well. we're working with the treasury department to develop the guidelines so people understand what will be allowed and what will bring them afoul of the sanctions themselves, putting
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themselves at risk. i have been through one session on that. it's with treasury now. we're going to get the guidelines out so we can begin the full implementation of the act. president trump says that the united states is more respected now in the world than it has ever been. polling to the contrary, notwithstanding, what do you think is the trump administration's greatest achievement internationally since you became secretary of state? >> i think there have been more than just one, but a couple i would highlight is the president called on nato member countries to step up their contribution and commitment to nato and modernize their own forces. he's been very clear that as a result of that, countries have stepped up their contributions towards their own defense and this leads to a strong nato, which we desperately need in the european theater and beyond in
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central asia where nato is playing a very important role in the fight against terrorism. the second area is our policy towards north korea. the implementing of the sanctions and diplomatic pressure. we have the most comprehensive sanctions that have ever been put in place to scramble the economic revenue streams. we have china now joining us and putting pressure on north korea in ways that have never been achieved before and i attribute that to the very strong relationship that the president has with president xi. so we are more unified than we've ever seen. countries sending north korea home. it's a combination of pressure and the president building a very strong message to north korea that you will engage with us at some point to solve this because we're not going to allow
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you to have nuclear weapons and i have to make the tough decision, i will. and so i think in north korea, we have completely unified the international community, including north korea's previously closest allies that are now aligned with us. >> secretary of state rex tillerson, thanks so much for your time. we hope you'll come back and wish you the best of luck in your job. >> thank you, jake. a top republican senator is calling the white house an adult daycare center. we'll ask a different republican senator if that's true. coming up next. ♪ the sun'll come out tomorrow... ♪ for people with heart failure, tomorrow is not a given. but entresto is a medicine that helps make more tomorrows possible. ♪ tomorrow, tomorrow... ♪ i love ya, tomorrow in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto helped more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine.
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way to start a windfall to insurance companies. but his former chief strategist framed it as a move to destroy obamacare. >> then you had obamacare, not going to make the csr payments, going to blow those exchanges up, right? joining me now is a republican lawmaker senator collins of maine. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, jake. >> let's begin right there. by scrapping the subsidies to health insurance companies, is president trump blowing up obamacare? >> jake, the debate in washington has been whether or not to repeal and replace obamacare in the future. what the president is doing is affecting the ability of vulnerable people to receive health care right now.
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this is not a bailout of the insurers. what this money is used for is to help low-income people afford their deductibles and co-pays so their health care is available to them. they have cut off funding to reach people who are available for subsidies under the aca. so these certainly are very disruptive moves that will result in smaller numbers of people being insured and make it more difficult for people to not afford their out of pocket costs. >> you're saying president trump is taking actions that will hurt american citizens?
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>> i do believe that. i'm concerned about what the impact is going to be for people who make under 250% of the federal poverty level because the funding that is available is used to subsid diced their out of pocket costs and if they can't afford their deductible, then their insurance is pretty much useless. >> let's go to another part of the obama legacy. you called obama's iran nuclear accord, quote, fundamentally flawed. now that president trump is punting this issue to congress, are you willing -- do you think it would be wise to vote for additional sanctions on iran that would kill the existing deal? >> well, i think it's important to distinguish between what the president did and did not do. he has the authority to reimpose the sanctions lunilaterally.
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he did not choose to do that. instead, he put a spotlight on two very important flaws in the agreement one is the fact that it does not stop iran from testing and developing ballistic missiles. and second, he put emphasis on the sunsets that are included in the agreement. those are important because it means that iran merely has to be patient in order to ultimately design and develop a nuclear arsenal. so i think there are real deficiencies in the agreement and i believe that we should take advantage of this window to do two things. one is to see if we can strengthen the agreement to
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address those two flaws, in particular. and second, the administration needs to consult with our allies because this was a multilateral agreement, not a bilateral one. >> but as of right now, you would not be in favor of voting to impose new sanctions on iran to essentially blow off the deal. you just want to strengthen the deal and work with allies? >> i want to strengthen the deal and work with allies but i want to see what the senate foreign relations committees, senator corker and senator cardin oppose the agreement that the obama administration negotiated come up with for legislation and we have a window to do that. >> speaking of senator corker, he called the white house a, quote, adult daycare center this week. he warned that the president's recklessness could set the nation, quote, on the path to world war iii. he said his concerns are shared
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by nearly every republican in the united states senate. is he right? >> well, first let me say that i have enormous respect for senator corker. his office is just down the hall from mine. we're friends, and he is a very valuable leader of the senate foreign relations committee. the president has surrounded himself with very good and experienced members of his national security team and i think what the president needs to realize is that his words really matter. when he makes an off-the-hand comment like the calm before the storm, as he did recently, both are enemies and allies analyze that comment to figure out what it means. he does not have the luxury of
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saying whatever comes into his mind. so i don't think the twitter war is particularly productive but the president needs to remember that his every word he speaks matters now that he is president of the united states. >> just to read between the lines there, you didn't say that you disagreed with senator corker. i do want to ask you about your big announcement this week, that you're not going to run for governor of maine. you're going to stay in the united states senate. are you staying in the senate because the republican party, in your view, needs more officials like you willing to serve as an independent check on president trump? >> i'm staying in the senate because i believe that's where i can do most for the people of maine and for the nation. the issues we're dealing with now are so consequential. they are so important, whether it's dealing with the threat from north korea or frustrated families who need tax reform,
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the issues are just huge right now. this has been an unconventional presidency and i think that my ability to work with people on both sides of the aisle in a bipartisan way is needed now more than ever. in making my decision, i talked with three friends who have served in both roles, angus king and lamar alexander, senator from tennessee and former governor of that state. they helped me walk through this issue and their advice and counsel along with the many opinions, received from family, friends and constituents in maine led me to my decision. >> we're glad that we're going to have a few more years of having you a guest on our shows. thank you so much, senator collins. >> thank you, jake.
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that is not anything that bothers you? >> i checked. i'm fully intact. >> i was not expecting that response from secretary tillerson. with me to discuss that and much more is our panel. bill kristol, give me your general reaction to secretary tillerson. >> i never expected to see that exchange. >> no. >> with a secretary of state of the united states. his defense of president trump ends up being that president
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trump forces action, he's a disrupter and we need change. i believe we need change. but it's unusual to defend the president, not, he has a strategic vision and it's complicated but rather he tosses hand grenades into the room and that forces change. >> what did you make, congresswoman, of the fact that he still will not answer the question as to whether or not he called president trump a moron over the summer? >> i'm sure he's embarrassed. it was supposed to be a private meeting and somehow it got out to the press and he just reminds me of a soldier of mainly committed and dedicated to his general and he's not going to step out of line no matter what he may think personally. >> interesting. president trump spoke to the values of voters, some are here in washington, d.c., on friday. he said this. >> in the last ten months, we
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have followed through on one promise after another. i didn't have a schedule but if i did have a schedule, i would say we are substantially ahead of schedule. >> you're a supporter of president trump, david. do you agree? >> i totally agree. the president and his administration have done so much so far. i happened to squeketch down a things. veterans issues, expanding gi bill benefits, firing of bad va employees, va and dod having a health care system that talk to each other. federal hiring freeze, rolling back the regulatory regime for every one rag that gets put out, you have to repeal two. renegotiating nafta, pittsburgh, not paris. the immigration ban, border security, to% less apprehensions
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at the crossing in mexico. >> so you're saying -- >> a lot. >> i'm still going. >> this will be an interesting panel. >> just take it easy here. >> there's a laundry list. >> i disagree. >> i know you disagree with what he achieved but do you agree that he's achieved things? >> i think donald trump has done a lot for executive actions. i think he has failed utterly in the legislative process here heretofore he has passed no major actions. the reason he took action to raise people's premiums, essentially what he did on friday by killing the subsidies is because he out of possibility
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personal peak or hostage taking with the american people, he couldn't pass a bill through congress and is trying to threaten democrats. don't listen to me. republicans after republicans said it will hurt people and not with democrats. with republicans. >> bill, let me ask you this. is what we saw on friday when president trump took the steps to undermine obamacare and undermine, although not kill, the iran deal, are those steps any different than a president cruz or rubio or kasich necessarily? let's take kasich off. that a president cruz or rubio would have taken. >> republicans are pretty standard. they are committed to figuring out once it's put into effect, you can't snap your fingers. we're committed to changing our iran policy and they were the guest of obamacare and thought the insurers were illegal.
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in both cases you need a strategy and you need to work with congress on that stroot at and in the iran deal i'm hopeful of trying to think things through, work with members of congress and so forth. you do need to actually legislate in place of the things that you're removing. congress also does deserve some blame. trump moved thousand cost subsidies to insurers. they should force trump to veto it. congress is more passive. >> there is a democratic and bipartisan group working on this and they will have a bill. what's weird about what the president has done, he's taken action that drives up premiums by 20 to 25%. other steps to undermine pre-existing conditions. there's a bipartisan plan and he
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won't get behind the bipartisan plan. he's against the action -- >> that's the problem. there are many bipartisan plans that will be brought to the fore. >>. >> you should be less defer ren deferential to the president. >> one interpretation of what president trump did is he is trying to force pelosi and schumer to come to the table. do you think that's accurate and do you think that they should go to the white house and try to make a deal? >> well, i'm all for trying to make a deal and be diplomatic and bring us together because i don't want to be in a congress that people say what people think of you is very low. >> not in that tcontext.
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>> he did it in a nice way. but what the american people think of us. i don't want to be in a congress where we get nothing done. >> how do you say that? >> the challenge for pelosi is one thing. the entire democratic caucus, the entire democratic caucus is fine with a plan to help fix the affordable care act. there's not a single member of the -- it's republicans who won't let it come to the fore. >> if they pushed it really hard, i think this is a case where if i could talk to my democratic friends, they should try to get 25 republicans to -- >> they are. they are. >> hold on a second. after your party went and sat with the president and came up with a deal on daca and, listen,
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they were -- >> we -- >> hold on. your team, pelosi, had press conferences and was berated by constituents. >> okay. that's some people. that's one portion of the party but most of the party is behind -- >> let's see. let's see. >> great panel. thank you so much. really appreciate it. have a great sunday, everybody. melania trump is the first lady but now a former mrs. trump is claiming that title for herself. that's this week's "state of the cartoonian. stay with us. ♪ i've got ♪ hungry eyes ♪ i feel the magic between you and i ♪ ♪ hungry eyes feed those hungry eyes with new signature entrées. applebee's two for twenty. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
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lady but that's what melania trump had to do. that's the subject of this week's state of the cartoonian. there's a brand-new reality show in washington, d.c., and new york, the real ex-wives of president donald trump. >> i don't really want to call him that because melania is there and i'm basically first trump. i'm first lady, okay? >> all over washington you could hear people say, oh no she didn't. and the real first lady wasn't having it. her office issuing a statement saying, this is unfortunately only attention seeking and self-serving noise, unquote. >> she just has to get over it. >> the first lady versus the first wife with tv host andy cohen to officiate. >> first lady melania trump is joining me. ivana, honorary first lady, marla maples, you come, too. >> donald trump may not be the
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first divorced president but his ex-files is the longest. >> i have a good relationship with ivana and with marla. >> the two former, not so much. >> she has never achieved anything in her life. >> one of the things that they all seem to agree on, they cannot change president trump. >> i just say do what you want. he's an adult. he knows the consequences. >> it's fair to assume that if this reality were ever to hit a tv series, president trump would watch and i guess the iultimate lesson, ivana said it last. >> don't get mad. get everything. coming up next, former secretary of state hillary clinton, she weighs in on her relationship with vladimir putin. he spent decades fighting to give families a second chance.
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this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world, i am fareed zakaria. today, hillary clinton on a special edition of "gps." >> why on earth would we want two nuclear challenges in iran and north korea at the same time? >> president putin's vendettas against hillary clinton herself? >> he wants a weak america,

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