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see what he thinks about this latest ranking. thank for joining us. "ac 360" begins right now. good evening we begin with breaking news in the russian investigation. sean spicer has been interviewed. his meeting followed former white house chief of staff reince priebus. jim schuitto joins us with more. what are you learning about this meeting? >> we're learning sean spicer was interviewed monday by mueller's team. keep in mind, spicer had a close relationship with the president, also known -- and this is important, could be important to the investigation -- temporary taking cope yas notes from the
meeting. the director would be interested in seeing or having those notes described to him as well. in addition to reince priebus which you mentioned, we noted earlier keefe kellogg has been interviewed now but the special council's team. >> there are also developments in the senate, intelligence investigation involving carter page. >> carter page being subpoenaed by the committee. he's been the public face early on in this investigation because he was willing to spook publicly -- speak publicly about his role here. t not central how important the role was in the campaign. early in the campaign, page was named as the advisory, although later it was described he was not as close to the center as described or clear to the center of the campaign. he did make trips to moscow and spoke there.
certainly questions to ask him during campaign about any communications he may have been aware of, particularly between the trump team and russian fishls which we know is an investigation of mueller investigation as well. >> there's no evidence he met donald trump, in fact when he was on this show he admitted he never met him. >> that's right. >> stay with us. i want to bring in anne car any. also jonathan turnly and paul call land. anne i want to start with you, you broke the story from admit koe, you have the story of what spicer was asked? >> yeah he was asked about the firing of james comey and about meeting trump had with russian if you believes likes lavrov in the oval office.
it's a sign mueller's investigation is expanding what he originally south out to -- south out to look at which is did the russians interfere with the elections. this guess to the question is mueller looking at obstruction of justice. >> i think they were also looking at sort of the timeline after michael flynn was removed or even before that. it's still not known what really wen on in the white house between the time was informed about concerns that law enforcement officials had about michael flynn and conversations he may have had and him being fired. >> that timeline is fuzzy. that's one of reasons why kellogg's name showed up as one they already interviewed. he's lickly there -- likely there to answer questions about that piece of it.
>> professor, as jim sciutto was talking about, sean spicer kept notebooks, does he have to turn all those over to mueller? >> he does, they're not protected by attorney-client privilege or really executive privilege which has largely been waived even when it has been claimed. usually when the argument is made it yields to criminal investigations. the odds are that the notes are already in the hands of the investigates. he obviously is the type of person that investigates look for, cope yas note takers are a gift to prosecutors. they tend to be something of a curse for people in washington. but, he is someone who was always present at key moments. he can fill in a lot of gaps. at the very least this is due diligence by mueller and it
could be something more. >> paul, what does it tell you about the pace of mueller's investigation? that sean spicer's been sbrefd and now we know reince priebus. >> i think he has to move quickly. mueller is someone who comes in with detailed nolk of the fbi and knows how to get information. he's not learning on the job. he's circling the warehouse now getting closer to the president. he started interestingly now with figures who are no longer employed by the white house and it's harder to exert executive privilege. i think it's an indication that this investigation is moving quickly and may wrap not in the immediate weeks but certainly in the immediate months to come. >> in a meeting like this, i think it was jeff who was on this program a couple nights ago who was saying, in this kind of a meeting investigators want to
show documents and they already have documents in their possession that they want to show the person and get information about. do you think that's the case here? >> yeah, these usually follow the same course as deception depositions on the civil side. documents can be brought in to witnesses, they can look at them. these can be grueling and quite tiresome event. where i would possibly disagree slightly with paul, i'm not too sure the circle is tightening in a legal sense around president trump. i don't see a powerful case for a criminal prosecution here. they may have something i don't know about. obstruction of justice seems a bit of a hope and prayer from what we know at this time. >> i'm not saying they've made their case yet, but what i'm saying is it's getting in closer to finish it. ultimately he's looking at the president's involvement whether criminal or noncriminal,
innocent or guilty. i think it's -- he's getting focused now in the final months of the investigation. >> do you think how long this meeting last? was it a one or two-hour thing? >> it was all day. it was seven hours i was told. there are more interviews to go. the white house counsel is expected to talk to mueller's team. i think those will be more interested. spicer might be one of less interesting people that mueller gets to talk to. he wasn't always in the room. spicer for the same reason he's no longer at the white house now, never managed to be a complete central player in trump's west wing. to me, he's not someone who's witnessed as much as some other people. >> i think that's a fair point. spicer tends to blend into the
background. that's the guy you worry about as a criminal defense attorney, the guy that people particularly don't notice. it's basically that, you don't notice the ficus plant, you don't notice sean spicer. >> especially when you're behind the ficus plant. >> exactly. >> jim sciutto, do you grow with that in terms of the pace of this investigation? it's clearly there's still a long way to go. >> we don't foe. the thing about the mueller investigation it is such a tight black box. a lot you learn about is coming from the lawyers not from mueller himself. the majority of the people he's talking to, spicer is not as close to him than others but he's going down path as far as election meddling. whether or not we're going to find anything we don't know but he's going down the paths. he was not with trump during the campaign, so if you're going back to issues of collusion,
communications with russians during the campaign, which we know is another subject of investigation, that's not something you'd go to him for. >> anne that gives you the same thing about hope hicks. she's been there a long time. >> yeah, she's been there when trump announced he was running for president. not the central player some of the other people have been the whole way through. >> is it hope picks who receives a lot of e-mails for the president? there was something else that was seen to be the person to go through if you want to get to president trump around circles. >> there's also roe that graph, his former assistant who is back at trump work in new york. i don't know what the status of her is but she'd be someone that mueller seem to be interested in if their circling the president. >> she'd print out the e-mails and he'd give his answers in written form so he did not e-mail back.
i've heard her as a possible interest of some of the hill committees in terms of their investigation. >> and obviously anybody on that plane when the "new york times" broke. i think it's maggy habermann when they were returning, i think from europe, they were grafting a response for donald trump jr. later the attorneys claims, no it was donald trump jr.'s lawyer doing that. it seems like the president was involved and this was being discussed openly on the plane. >> that's why you can expect he'd be interested in special counsel and keep in mind again this is a remind that initial statement was proving to be at best misleading, at worst factually incorrect. that statement said that trump tower meeting in june, 2016 was all about adoptions we later learned. there's a record of this that donald trump told from the meeting there was damaging information on hillary clinton.
>> i just want to add, another thing about not taking spicer too seriously, when i have called to come in on this. someone said to me, questioning him was like was kara bell what was going on in the circus. when he was getting beaten up at those press conferences he'd go back and talk to the president about it. he took detailed notes about it. he could be a surprise witness for mueller that's got a lot of detailed background information that will lead to other witnesses and expand the scope of investigation. >> finally on the other scope of investigation, you have some new exclusive reporting around that i understand? >> that's right. it draws a direct line between the fake news that's popped up on facebook and divisive news about black lives matter, etc.
he has many businesses including a catering business but he was sanctioned by the treasury department for among other things, funding the separatist in ukraine. funding support for military intervention in the ukraine. he ran what was called the internet research agency, a building in petersburg that was turning out all this fake news. me and my colleagues were looking at documents detailing what their intention was. there was an apartment in that building, called the department of provocation which the expressed goal of sewing discord here in the u.s. and spreading news in the u.s. in 2013, the budget of this organization anderson, was $1 million a month. so significant funding behind this, close ties to vladimir putin and the fake tie that is
showed up here the presidential election here. >> there's a direct line between him and vladimir putin? >> absolutely. to the point where vladimir putin had him catered birthday parties and catered two dinners for president bush. so, a friend, a chef they say but certainly a business associate as well of vladimir putin. >> yeah, i don't know too many chefs giving a million dollars a month. >> well the food must have been very good. >> everyone i appreciate it. thank very much. coming up next, in case you're wondering how far the president will go to say he's mistaken about president obama and the troops. it's a new discussion on it. later the president on down arguing over what kaepernick started. we'll talking to his torn about taking on the nfl. each year sarah climbs 58,007 steps.
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three-star general, who he had go on to serve as secretary of security and now the chief of staff. please, he said, don't mention my son. the marine did not and general kelly took the podium. he talked about the satisfies the family of servicemen and women make. he told the story of two marines who gave their lives in iraq and hu hundreds more. he did not mention his son. he did not speak of how proud he was that robert had enlisted, risen through the ranks and seen combat in iraq. he's only rarely spoken of him since. a few months after that speech in st. louis, he told "the washington post", quote, we're only one of 5500 americans who's
suffered the loss of family in this war. the death of my boy cannot be made to seem more tragic than others. everything he said and done since then, general kelly refused to make the sacrifice so many about his personal loss. this morning the president took his private loss and made it about his own momentarily personal gain. a few days after falsing claiming past presidents, specifically president obama did not call the families of falling troops he said this. >> you could ask general kelly did he get a call from obama. i don't know what obama's policy was. >> keeping him honest in the possible sense, it is true president obama did not call the kellys, he did invite them for breakfast at the white house for five star families. the president was -- the white house declined to make comment.
all the presidents before them honored the fallen in many ways. phone calls, letters, witnessing the caskets coming home. they did so without bringing the public along. none of the presidents democrats alike wanted it to be about themselves until now. the presidentive asked why the family of these four men have yet to hear from their commander and chief. he responded with this. >> i've written them personal letters. they've been sent or going out tonight. i will at some point during the period of time call the parents and the family, because i have done that traditionally. i felt very very badly about that. it's the toughest calls i have to make, are the calls where this happens, soldiers are
killed. it's very difficult thing. now, it gets to a point where you make four or five of them in one day, for me that's by far the toughest. so the traditional way, if you look at president obama or other presidents, most of them didn't make calls, a lot of them didn't make calls. i like to call when it's appropriate when i'm table to do it. >> the part about president obama was false. moments later when confronted with that falsehood the president said in so many words, i don't know, i was told, maybe he did or didn't, and maybe other presidents didn't call. that too was false. yet we seen so many times where the president in his mind cannot wrong and that gives his license for a lot. it allows him to stand in front of cnn wall for the fallen. it allows him to say john mcconn's not a hero because he
was captured, never mind after he was captured, john mccain was held and tortured for six years and couldn't raise his arm because of it. now the president who avoided serving in the war has brought his chief of staff personal loss into the public realm because he simply cannot be wrong. it will be one thing if he was one to lose his son in combat, it's another if he's not. one other note, the president says he called the families of all four soldiers killed. david guerrero began can you recall any other instance where a president has -- >> no, i can remember none of that. typically a rep between a gold-star family and a
president, especially when the president is trying to console the family, that's kept private by the white house out of the president for the families. and certainly you try to keep it out of politics. i can just tell you we all know president obama grieved for the people who were killed during his administration, he showed up regularly. george w. bush having to send so many people in combat, he centrally wen to talk to the families. they do it in private to talk to the families. >> david, any implication any president doesn't feel deeply of the loss of service members that very possibly they have sent or kept in the field, it just seems -- to suggest that seems insulting to any former president. >> it is. this is the most profound sobering responsibility a president has.
i remember when president obama returned after an overnight trip to doe very to welcome 18 body of servicemen, dea agents who had been killed in afghanistan. he spent several hours over that night meeting with families. and i saw him the next morning, i rarely seen him in a more sober reflective mood because he understood that it's on his order that these young men and women are sent to battle. every president feels that. and somehow this president has the unairing capacity to turn moments that should be sacred into moments that are profane that are blasphemy by politics. it is ashamed. the thing about donald trump that we've learned is it's
always about him and he can never be wrong. those two qualities ultimately will defeat him. in the meantime, it's a shame for the country and these families. it's a shame that he would sully his predecessors this way. >> and yet david guerrero began, david ax ron said it's a shame for -- the president is without shame. there's nothing off limits when it comes to he feels he's being attacked or asked a question. i guess in this case he felt a question about why he hasn't spoken publicly about the public members killed for 12 days and le turned it into an attack on his predecessors about how they've dealt with the fallen. >> i don't know where this compulsion come from it must be a place of deep insecurity on his part. he has this compulsion when he's
facing criticism and must be feeling embarrassed about it to lash out at others and blame others and lie about it. david and i have been both been there, i can't tell you how within a white house, these are solemn responsibilities and solemn moments. there's an important norm about the president and how we act with each other in politics. this president seems to want to destroy. it cheapens our politics and the way we treat each other. >> there's this whole idea the oval office changes the inhabitant for the better or it rise to the history of the office of the responsibility. somehow removers the instinct for political shots particularly on military matters, that doesn't seem to be the case here. >> yeah, there was this hope that the gravity of the office would change donald trump, that
he would show that same capacity for growth that we've seen in all presidents when faced with these kinds of grave responsibility. as i've said earlier, he is so consumed by himself, or with himself that he seems unable to view things in the way people normally would. that fundamental sense of everyone think. imagine if he had taken that question yesterday and said, my heart goes out to those families, my heart goes out to those young men who gave their life for this country. and i will express that in my own way to those families, you know, and just leave it. just leave it at that, which is how most people would respond. i know president obama is someone who values his own children more than he values anything in life. he always told me if something happened to one of his children
he couldn't get out of bed. and so, he always looked at these families in that way as someone who, you know -- and he put himself if their shoes. i don't see that capacity in this president, that's why he can go to puerto rico for example and use it as an occasion to claim credit for the good job he and his team has done. even as the island was in utter catastrophe and we're still seeing that unfold. that lack of empathy is stunning and we certainly saw it here. >> thank you both. before we go to break a little bit about the soldiers. all were in enforces grouped based in fort brag in north carolina. dustin right's brother telling cnn affiliate the wrights have been serving in the war since
1812 and never suffered a loss until now. i know my brother don't want accolades he loved the job and that's what he was born today. staff sergeant ryan black was from outside a town in seattle, washington. a neighbor tells local station, he wants to personally thank sergeant black and liz family for giving his life for keeping americans safe. staff sergeant jeremiah johnson was a specialist. he was from ohio, the mayor of that town saying he was all about country family moral fiber. sergeant la david johnson was from miami garren in florida. he worked at walmart before signing up. he leaves a wife and two young children, a son and daughter ages 2 and 6, his third child is on the way. we'll be right back.
we learn today that appropriateuating someone's deepest personal loss to humiliate someone is not beyond this president. here's what the president told radio host chris plant about senator john mccain. >> people have to be careful because at some point i nigfigh back. i'm being very very nice but at some point i fight back and it won't be pretty. >> the president talking about
the speech senator mccain gave last night, did not mention the president's name but was clearly an attack on his museum. >> to fear the world we have organized and led the three quarters of industcentury, to b ideals we have led around the globe and the duty to remain the last hope of earth for the sake of some half baked, nationalism cooked up by part-time who would rather fine scapegoats than solve problems. this is unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that americans can sign to the ass sheep of history. >> today the most powerful man
in the world whose told the man who dedicated his life to watch out it's about to get rough, it won't get pretty. what's not hard to conclude this is not the first time he's taken a swing. >> i don't like the job john mccain is doing in the senate. he has probably the dirtiest mouth in all the senate. senator mccain who voted against us getting good healthcare. john mccain has not helped more people like he should. he's totally about open borders. he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captured. i used to like him a lot. i raised a million dollars for him. he lost. so i never liked him as much after that because i don't like losers. >> for this latest presidential text senator mccain says he's felt challenges more than this
and lab rated about his parks last night. >> were you addressing the president, bannon or the group in total? >> i think that what is clear is what i was talking about is an environment here of non-productivity of a reversion to the attitude of -- which was one of the major reasons why we fought world war ii. >> let's get some perspective from michael antonio. and ambassador recess brinkley -- douglas brinkley. doug, the fact that the president continues to attack john mccain who is a hero whether you agree with his politics or not, what does this do to the office of the presidency? has this happened before? >> it is another time of donald trump making the white house look very small. harry truman had the buck stop here on and this is sort of like
scapegoat hatchery should be the sign on trump's desk. this picking on john mccain every time he wants to come out and talk about what's bothersome, donald trump wants to be mean and cruel. now that mccain having a hard time about his health, donald trump wants to come out -- john mccain wen to war, donald trump was summon who was a chicken hawk in the war and look for ways out and i don't think he has the right to challenge mccain on patriotism, love of country and decency. >> michael, for someone who did speak out, the president likes to portray himself as this tough guy. what is it about him? from the years you were following him before he was president that makes him do there, that makes him -- never
admit to any mistake and launch attack? the s it roy cone 101? >> well it is. roy taught you never apologize, accuse yourself and move -- excuse yourself and move on. attack attack attack. i'm struck by how often the president was saying in that clip of yours. donald trump is essentially a frightened man. and when john mccain was in the hilton, donald trump, as he explained to me was focused on making money, learning how to make more money and watching johnny carson. this is a completely set of values. he also talked about how mccain was less in his class in indianapolis. trump was in a real military academy, trump was in a pretend academy at the same time playing
soldier. there is a -- and a president who wants to threaten a guy with cancer. it's shocking. >> doug, is there a precedent for a sitting president to be going after someone of his own party like this? i guess he was annoyed about the vote on healthcare, but his still in his own party and he still could use as much support as he can get in the senate. >> look, it's understandable if donald trump's disappointed in john mccain, didn't like the big thumbs down, but the very fact is he had said john mccain's not a war hero, i don't like people captured. trying to destroy mccain's heroism. mccain is a theater-like figure in our opinion.
so, no we've never had anything like this. i've seen mccain like ted kennedy for his last great year in the senate taking a month ral high ground. if donald trump thinks he's going to be able to smear john mccain he's mistaken because anybody with decency in america is going to back john mccain if it becomes a reel feud between those two. >> john, has donald trump as a civilian ever shone a -- >> i can see you struggling. >> it seems shameless. >> he is shameless. this is true in his business life where he's claimed triple the wealth than he's ever possessed. he's shameless in his personal life. john mccain's been married to the same person since 1980. during that time period donald trump has gone through three
marriages and one horrible scandal on the front page of the tabloids and he was happy for it. so there's really not anything that's beneath him and that's the thing troubling the rest of us. michael and doug thank you so much. when we come back a 360 exclusive. i'll talk to the attorney representing kaepernick. this is the attorney's first interview since filing this multimillion dollars agreement that points the blame at the president. that's next. alk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. bayer aspirin. we come into this world needi♪ others. then we are told it's braver to go it alone. ♪ but there is another way to live. ♪ a way that sees the only path to fulfillment-
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in just a few moments you're going to hear from kaepernick's attorney speaking out for the first time. the president's -- met in new york city made the growing feud between the president and the league. philadelphia eagles player said this after the meeting. >> i think we all have mutual interests. i think players are part of this league and so, we want to make sure the equality of product that we put out on the field is great, but at the same time we have responsibilities to the communities that we live in and come from. so, i think we all share that interest and really talk more in collaboration than in us against you type of deal.
>> and mark joins us now on cnn exclusive interview. mark, you released a statement regarding a grievance. it reads in part quote, athletes should not be denied employment based on provocation of the government. what are you alleging that the president pressured owners not to sign your client? >> yeah. i think that he's ---o i don't have to use more than one of his campaign tapes where he tweeted the owner is scared by angry tweets. we filed this on sunday and just about a half hour ago the owner of san francisco 49ers came out and said just that very thing, he confirmed it. the nfl owners shouldn't be intimidated by tweets from the president. i think it's fairly obvious, anybody who follows nfl football will tell you it's beyond any
doubt, not just a clear ppd that beyond any doubt he should be playing in the league and that's all he wants. >> we know that donald trump called the cowboys's owner jerry jones because he tweeted about it. spoke to jerry jones yesterday he's a winner knows how to get things done. jerry will stand for the company. do you believe the president talked about kaepernick in that phone call? >> i have no doubt about it and it will be something that come to the front very quickly. i think clearly, the nfl -- i was told today when kaepernickive brought up in the meetings today that the owners immediately called for a bathroom break, nobody wanted to talk about it in front of the players who were there. by the way, i saw that little piece and there's been talk about whether he was invited or wasn't invited. i can tell you categorically my office specifically asked if he was invited and we were definitely told he was not
invited and that he had no role. quote/unquote. so we had offered to have him come there and discuss the very social movement that he created and was told that he had no role. anything else is just a disinforming or propaganda. >> it was reported that the players invited him but that colin karm nick turned it down. you're saying that's not true? >> no that's absolutely incorrect. that's not true. the players were given disinformation because specifically i had two independent witnesses who also heard the conversation in which he was told he had no role. he wanted, we anticipated. he's right down the street he could have been there less than a $10 cab ride. >> your statement about the grievance includes -- conduct. can you give a sense on how you intend to do that and what is
the collusion. are you saying the team got together with the president or what's the allegation? >> the collusion, all you've got to show -- i've read a lot of this about what an uphill battle it is. every day in america there's prosecutors who prove conspiracies which are akin to collusion and they do it beyond a reasonable doubt. and they do it without any kind of smoking gun. i am going to predict right now we are going to have a smoking gun. i'm not going to alert who or what it will be. but, we have a high degree of confidence that this will be able to be proved requested that there are people who are not going to get into a arbitration proceeding and they're not going to lie, they're going to tell the truth and they're going to say what happens as if they were told no, you're not going to hire him. fact, i would call on the players to say stop using us as
window dressing for this and having these meetings where they don't do anything. i think the players should demand that colin gets a fair shake on the field. don't talk to me about this, that or the other thing like i say looks like nothing more than a dog and peony show. have somebody stand up and do the right thing. i can give you five examples of teams who should have signed him. colin is if not one of the top 20 walking the earth who can play quarterback. >> so, what's the ultimate goal of the grievance for him to play in the nfl, for him to get a monetary reward or something else? >> no, i made a decision and i counselled colin, because i listen to clients and i talk to him beforehand. what is your number one goal. colin says my number one goal is
i'm 29 years old i want to play. i still have the ability to play i want to play. i said if that's the case we're going to go under the collect bargaining agreement. we're not going to sue in federal court and i think they would hammer the nfl and i explained that to him. i said you've got that decision to make and he said i want to play football. >> mark geragos, appreciate you being on. the situation in puerto rico for many is still dire. and there's indication things will get better. the latest from the ground. girls are not in school because of economic issues and they have to work. there's early child marriage, there's war and conflict. at the malala fund we help girls stay in school. there are some really amazing people around the world doing incredible work. the malala fund invests in education champions who work in the community and do advocacy and pave the way so that girls can actually go to school.
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there's a slow rolling american disaster that's happening in plain sight. an american disaster if it were happening in texas or florida, you would sural be hearing a lot more about it, a lot more from the government that american disaster is happening in puerto rico, an island with nearly three and a half million americans that was devastated my maria. drinking water is scarce with some residents tapping into potentially hazardous waste water. >> well, we've delivered tremendous amounts of water. then what you have to do is distribution by the people on the island. so we have massive amounts of water. we have massive amounts of food.
but they have to distribute the food and they have to this. they have the distribute the food to the people of the island. so what we've done is we now have military distributing food, something that she shouldn't have to be doing. >> the military is in puerto rico to help distribute food and water that is literally part of why they're there. >> as local legend has it this town was first city in puerto rico to get elect cal light. to understand what they're struggling with, mayor hernandez tells us to jump into his police humvee for a ride. we drive deep can through the mountain valley. he says things are improving so slowly that it's like the hurricane struck yesterday.
>> it's a city that sits high in the mountains of central puerto rico. it's home to about 27,000 people. the nightmare and the logistical nightmare maria left blind is everywhere. it took three weeks just to clear some of the major roads. >> there is no electricity anywhere in the city. the mayor says it's taken weeks for state and federal officials to understand how desperate the situation is here he's asked federal authorities for industrial generators. they haven't come. he struggled to get helicopters to evacuate people who needed be kidney dialysis and oxygen. they and one other person died. >> he says evacuation helicopters didn't navar time to get the people out of here to save their skplooifz they ended up dying. >> crews delivered food and water to 1,500 families, but that's still not enough and he's not convince ed the supplies ra reaching the residents here.
>> the mayor says he's worried and heard there's footed and water that has been sent for this town and it's sitting in san juan. >> the mayor says major help has only started to arrive in the last two days. fema officials are processing disaster claims, and he's getting logistical help from the military. >> is it too slow? [ speaking foreign language ] yes, he says it's too slow because the line between life and death is very thin here. >> do they have an idea when they may be getting power? >> well, they have one last-ditch effort. they've been kind of scraping together all sorts of ideas to help themselves out there in villaalba. the mayor is saying after that
if that doesn't work, they're looking as long as six months. the governor here in puerto rico is hoping to have 95% of the father back on by mid december, that six-month time line this mayor is looking at is beyond that. >> ed lavandera. ♪ hey hun, huh! we gotta go. come on. ♪ ♪ "grandma! grandpa!" ♪
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national correspondent jim sciutto joins us. >> this investigation is amusing beyond russian meddling in the election. sean spicer wasn't involved during the campaign. came on board after his election. so here's someone we know special counsel will be looking to ask can questions on the firing of the fbi director james comey, on meetings held in the oval office office and russian officials. we also know sean spicer took copious notes. that is a dream for lawyers and special counsel. those notes are not protected. that will certainly be part of the investigation. now, on the flip side, we should mention spicer not the closest to the president's advisers, not present in every meeting. would he have been there when key zrigsz always made? not necessarily. but someone involved in the