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children, ages 2 and 6. he had a third child on the way. tonight we remember these decorated service members, their service, their legacy and all who loved them. time to hand things over to don lemon on "cnn tonight." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking news tonight, the russian investigation moving deeper into president trump's inner circle. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. here's what we're learning tonight. sean spicer has been questioned by the special counsel investigators. just the latest of team trump members going face-to-face with investigators including reince priebus and keith cellof. and sources telling cnn carter page has been subpoenaed by the senate intelligence committee. he told the senate last week he would plead the fifth.
all this comes again as john mcca mccain, the president warning him, i fight back and it won't be pretty. join us us now bill crystal the editor at large and cnn political commentator ben fifer and cnn political analyst steven moore. i think we have enough people to discuss this this evening. what are you learning about tonight's meeting with special counsel investigators? >> this took place on monday. it follows meetings last week with reince priebus, the former fired chief of staff to the white house swells chief celling, the interim national security advisor. it shows a picture that the special counsel investigation is
expanding beyond the interference, the russian interference in the u.s. election. because of course spicer was not there during the campaign. key issues we know that the counsel wanted to discuss with him include the fbi director james comey's firing. he was not a very central player in the administration. that was one of the issues probably that led to his departure. but we also know that he took copious that's. and for an investigator like robert mueller, those notes certainly material to the investigation. and it shows that this investigation is going to the senior ranks of the trump administration following the chief of staff priebus, the press secretary sean spicer as well as his former national security advisor as well. >> i want to ask you, so who is next on mueller's list? do we have an idea? >> we know on the list includes hope hicks. first of all, she still serves as white house communications director and is actually where
spicer was not in those meetings. she has been in many, you know, small meetings with this president, so would have been privy to conversations that others were not. don megan, who was the white house council, this shows the investigation will continue to go into the most senior levels of the trump administration. >> i want to ask you politico is reporting spicer was fired for the questioning of the former fbi director comey and white house officials. where does this tell you where mueller is in his investigation right now? >> he's being thorough clearly. and i think spicer is a wonderful witness because we know he apparently made these notes contemporaneously, and those can be invaluable. they're really solid collaboration for a witness. >> we've heard about these copious notes, maybe a month or two that sean spicer kept copious notes. and these notes could either vindicate the president or get
him into more trouble. but you said these things can be very important. >> they corroborate his memory, and they will stimulate his memory. and they old evdech chaer value because they were made contemporaneously. >> dana bash, i want to bring you in now. reince priebus was also interviewed. what do you think these men are in a position to know? >> a lot no question about it. there's lot of things special counsel wants to know. but there's two events or big issues that both reince priebus or sean spicer could shed light on. number one most recently is the firing of james comey. reince priebus was the white house chief of staff. and to ask him questions about the reasoning that the president gave in internally is very important for this investigation. it's a very open question, a
very intensively debated question whether or not obstruction of justice is even possible when you're talking about the president of the united states. i i think i hear mr. dean laughing. but if you go, kind of just follow the dotted line that robert mueller is intentionally or uninaengzally drawing with the kinds of people and kind of information he's asking for, it certainly appears he's exploring that. the other thing -- the other question is the air force one trip, don, back from europe when the whole -- the whole story about the don junior e-mails that unveiled the fact that he took a meeting during the campaign in 2016 with the premise being i have dirt on -- from a russian national, i have dirt on hillary clinton. and the air force one trip, sean spicer was on that trip. it's our understanding he wasn't in the front cabin when the president was apparently working
with staff on the statement that don junior ended up putting out. but he was on the plane. so he had proximity. and i'm sure that mr. mueller would want to ask him questions about that in addition to people that we would know jim sciutto mentioned, hope hicks who was there. >> maybe it was a throat clear -- >> i cleared. >> i was respectfully silent when dana was speaking. >> both priebus and spicer was pushed out. do you think they're going to be loyal? >> whether or not you're under oath, speaking to the fbi, you could get in trouble for lying. so i assume they will tell the truth. i think the contemporaneous notes are important. two quick points. i think ultimately mueller is going to talk to trump. i'm not a lawyer on the other end of these investigations, but
this strikes me as getting close to the ties. your the former chief of staff, the white house communications director, i suspect it might be weeks or months away or two from trump. most people think these investigations take forever. they take a while. i don't want to be shooting for years end or something like that, but i think it will be a huge moment when mueller interviews trump. i always come back to the january 27th meeting, one week into the administration when trump has the fbi director over for a one-on-one dinner, he's getting a acmated having a dulebatory dinner with all his friends, family and supporters and suddenly friday night weekend, dinner with comey. that is extremely unusual as people have commented. and getting priebus, spicer who
would have presumably contemporaneous notes about maybe what he did raise, i think that's been under reported honestly. in the comey encounters that one strikes me as pretty amazing. >> steven moore, does it concern you as bill just said the president and the vice president, he thinks they're next to be interviewed here. where do you stand on this? >> well, i think bill is probably right, that this might end with mueller asking both trump and pence about their activities. i don't think that they have anything to hide, so i'm not concerned about it in terms of, you know, what information they have. i think they acted in a way that was appropriate for the president. so i don't think there's a huge, huge scandal here. by the way, i i was just at a speech trump gave at the area foundation tonight. he seemed relaxed. he got a big ovation from the audience.
he didn't seem out of sorts whatsoever. he seemed in a very ebullient mood. >> well, we'll see. i understand you have some new exclusive reporting tonight on close putin ally's role in the meddling of the u.s. election. what have you learned? >> this draws a direct line from those troll farms, the fake news, those divisive stories right back to the inner circle of the president of russia, vladimir putin, focusing on jenny progoegz. he is known as the chef to the kremlin. and yes he has catered vladimir putin birthday parties. he catered dinners for president george w. bush when he visited russia in 2004 and 2006. beyond that he's a russian oligarch with enormous businesses. and he is u.s. investigators believe but also documents we've reviewed have shown the primary backer of a troll factory based
in st. petersburg, russia. it was known as the internet research agency, known as the ira. and it is the organization full of hackers that were injecting fake news stories into the election, including stories that were targeted via social media to key districts during the 2016 prejudice election. and what we're discovering looking at these documents is just how specific financial ties were between someone close to vladimir putin and these advertisements, fake news stories, divisive news stories, things about black lives matter, gun control, et cetera injected into the u.s. election debate right up to election day. looking at these documents, it's really fascinating. it sounds like something stolen out of a george orwell novel. there was literally listed in this a department of provocations in this agency, who
job it was -- it was listed again, to inject fake news stories into the election, divisive news stories. and the budget -- and this is important -- was a million dollars a month. so it's a significant amount of money coming from someone closely tied to the russian president with the intention of really dividing the electorate as an approach. it's fascinating stuff but also important stuff. >> it is when that whole fake news moniker was developed by the president, i'm not sure he had that in mind. >> no, i think fake news to trump means news he doesn't like. you can see in the conversation we just had about mueller, we know that russia interfered with the election. we know russia interfered with the election with the goal to help trump. everyone agrees with that except possibly trump.
and now we're going to get to the bottom of this. i have to say their strategy is pretty significantly. going to districts to target what sort of hot button issues, to hoy light, to whom. and we're going to find out if someone in the united states or potentially someone associate would the trump campaign worked with the russians to help that be more effective. and i think hope that mueller is getting to his conclusion sooner rather than later. because even in politics, this is an important national security story. >> and you mentioned, steve moore, the heritage foundation. well, tonight the president was back and it was teleprompter president trump. we'll talk about that when we come right back. you nervous? ♪ ♪
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we have some breaking news to report to you right now. president trump finally calling the families of troops who lost their lives in the niger raid. and telling the widow of sergeant david johnson, quote, he knew what he signed up for. she spoke to sergeant johnson's widow tonight and she joins us on the phone. thank you, for joining us. you spoke to the widow of sergeant johnson. her name is miaecia. how is she doing tonight? >> oh, she's very distraught. and we were in the car together, in the limousine headed to meet
the body at the airport. so i heard what he said because the phone was on speaker. >> what did he say? >> well, basically he said, well, i guess he knew what he signed up for. but i guess it still hurt. that's what he said. >> the president said to her he knew what he signed up for -- >> he knew what he was signing up for. >> but when it happens, it hurts anyway. >> uh-huh. so it's almost as if this is a young, young woman who has two children who is six months pregnant with a third child. she has just lost her husband. she was just told that he cannot have an open casket funeral, which give said her all kinds of
nightmares how his body must look, how his face must look. and this is what the president of the united states says to her? >> representative, as we're speaking now, we're looking at the video of her meeting the coffin. she's expecting her third child. you can see her shaking there as she sobbed uncontrollably. she has a 2-year-old son and a 6-year-old daughter. but continue on. what were you saying? >> but he had just told her that just as she was about to do what you just saw. there's no reason for the president to be so insensitive. not only to the family of this soldier but the impervious rhetoric, you know, disrespectful to the family of
every soldier that has paid the ultimate price for our freedom. and our community is livid. because this was our hero. we don't have many heroes in our young men in miami-dade county. but he was a hero for us. and we don't like what was said. and that is not something that you say to a grieving wife. >> what was your reaction, representative? >> i asked them to give me the phone because i wanted to speak with him. and i was going to curse him out. that was my reaction at that time. i was livid. but they would not give me the phone. >> what did she say? >> she was just crying. she couldn't say anything.
the only thing she said when it was time to hang up was thank you, bye-bye. >> and were there other family members in the car with you or there with you? >> yes, there were other family members in the car. >> what was their reaction? >> they were all crying. it was a solemn cry because they were still upset about the fact that this could not be an open casket. they were upset because they don't know why he was separated from the rest of the soldiers. this could turn out to be another bengazi. and i have asked for other investigation. representative hastings and i have sent a letter. and we want to find out exactly
what happened. and i'm expecting a classified briefing when i return to washington to answer some of those mitigating questioning that i can't answer on my own. >> representative wilson, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. and please give our thoughts and condolences to the family. i want to bring in dana bash. there's a response from the white house. >> yes, don. and i'll read it to you right now. the response from the white house is basically that the president here i have in front of me now, the president's conversations with the families of american heroes who have made the ultimate sacrifice are private. so that's a very long way of saying no comment because we're not talking about what the president said to this understandably very upset widow. and i'm not sure that he even knew that the congresswoman was there with her listening. but as you just heard from the
congresswoman, she did not think that the tone that the president took was appropriate. i'm sure that the white house, the president himself will have more to say after listening to the fact that a congresswoman literally just said to you that she wanted to grab the phone and curse out the president of the united states for the way he talked to the window, a gold star wife now after she found out that she was going to visit the coffin of her husband. and as she just said someone she was hoping would at least get an open casket and couldn't for whatever reason. and it's incredibly emotional. >> especially when you look at the video. >> six months pregnant and looked like her daughter there. she's got another baby as well. and it's just a lot. now, this is a congresswoman and
a very understandably, very upset and emotional woman listening to the president of the united states. white house is not saying what his intentions were, and i'm sure we're going to hear from the president soon about what he meant when he said those words. >> and i want to bring in dan, because dan is someone who's worked in communications and messaging when it comes to presidents. not sure what the president meant by those words and how they were taken, but this is a concern from people. and then the president will speak for himself whenever he does that, about whether it's visiting storm victims or throwing paper towels or what have you, that some feel this presidents lack an empathy gene. and this is maybe more evidence of that. >> don, i think that's right. one of the more important roles of a president whether republican or democrating is, a more pastorial role. to speak to individuals, to countries, to families in times of tragedy.
and there's more -- of speaking to the commanders of those soletures as commander in chief. we've got to let this family grieve in peace and grieve in a way they choose, but it does speak to the president's now inability to emphasize, to show sympathy, to express that sympathy in anyway that fits with the circumstance. whether it was in puerto rico or his first visit to houston, it just always rings like he's awkward and strange and like it's missing something like the way in most humans would react in that situation. i don't know ifthets a personal problem or a communications problem, but it's going to be something that's going to dock him throughout this presidency. >> steven moore, your reaction
to what we just heard. >> it's such a heart breaking story. he seems like such a great man, and you just hate to see someone die in the line of duty like this. so i can't really speak to what the president said. it's heart breaking. three kids, terrible. >> jim sciutto, you were inbedded with the green berets in iraq, correct? >> i was. >> these are hard conversations to have. >> there was a fire fight in rock in kirkuk in an early invasion where a green beret kept me from getting shot. johnson served alongside them. listen, this started as a question about why the president did not mention in any context via twitter, via the official white house statement, via his many camera appearances, four lost soldiers in niger.
it then transitioned into a question about whether he had called those families, with the president himself making what was establisheds a false statement about previous presidents not calling or contacting those families. for instance, the president saying ask general john kelly now retired john kelly what had happened. we've since reported, my colleague jeff zeleny, that john kelly invited the president to the white house and michelle obama sat at a table with john kelly after he lost his own son in battles. the fact is president obama did reach out to his family. it started as the president did not mention these four lost soldiers in any context at a time when he mentioned other things via twitter feed, then it became the president issuing a false statement about what previous presidents did. and again, i was not on this phone call, but what appears an
awkward conversation with the widow. >> somewhat insensitive. >> about one of those fallen soldiers. you think it would be a relatively easy thing to do. not easy but painful. a direct thing to do, to speak to someone, a widow who had lost her husband in battle, but it doesn't seem to have turned out that way. i speak to folks in the military all the time, and this is very personal issue as you would imagine, because they've lost brothers in arms and sisters in arms in combat. and when they see this play out in the public sphere, they expect certain things to be said by their commander in chief, and they don't often hear those things. and that from their perspective is a shame. >> in the context of bill crystal, i'm so sorry for your loss. i'm really sorry, and if you
need anything, you can reach out to me. but this is something that when i heard today that the president said, well, obama didn't reach out to kelly. it was why is he using this as a political -- the fallen son of one of his staff members as a political pawn? why? who would do that? >> i was physically sick i was in a couple of meetings and went online and saw he had tried to use robert kelly as an example of obama not calling. everyone called, had letters, invited them to the white house later. president bush, he went around the country, he did it privately. there'd be a speech from noon to 2:00, and then a gap. people thought he had down time, but he was often in the hanger and would meet spouses of fallen
soldiers and marines in the area and left a lot of time. president bush, president obama they handled it in their own way. look, i'm writing letters, honoring them, like you said he had to do a drive by slap, speculated -- how do you know that? and then this morning the use of robert kelly, i really felt -- i don't know. it's just terrible. >> it's sickening. >> yeah, it really is. >> this is the concern from something when something really horrific happened, would this particular president be able to console the country or be the consoler in chief or the person who made us feel -- there was
concern especially after las vegas if he was able to do that, and when he was on a teleprompter he was able to do it? he met with some of the families. but this is what a president is supposed to be able to do. >> he is not good extemporaneously. that's obvious. i worked for a president who was not good extemporaneously. you have to script these things and learn them. and nixon was one of those very careful to know what to say and when to say it in those kind of circumstances. so i'm surprised he's not even taking the time to do that. >> well, we want to play tribute to sergeant la david johnson. losing his life. our hearts, our thoughts and our prayers go out to this family and all the families and people affected. we'll be right back.
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kneeling during the national anthem to protest racial injustice. president trump doubling down again tonight on players kneeling. >> we believe that our great american flag should be treated with reverence and respect and that young americans should be taught to love our country, honor our anthem and proudly recite the pledge of allegiance. >> joining me now is marvin washington, a formal nfl player. marvin, thank you for joining us this evening. i just want to read a portion. this is from your op-ed on cnn.com. and you said the inscapable reality for those of us raising black sons is that we pray every time that they don't end up becoming a viral video after an encounter with police. those are really strong words. what are your thoughts behind it?
>> but it's true. the thing about being a black parent and raising two sons, i have, you know, brothers. i have uncles. i've gotten a talk. every black parent with a son has given that talk. we're asking to be treated fairly and equitable when our sons and daughters have gone out. that's not new. the cameras are new we've been fighting this fight for a long time. and it's kind of, you know, frustrating that we're relitigating things that my mom and her sisters and my dad were fighting for in the '50s and '60s. >> let's talk about colin kaepernick. whether or not his attorneys can find evidence of collusion,
that's one thing. but there are have been a number of quarterback injuries this year in the nfl and kaepernick still doesn't have a job. what's your opinion on this situation? >> well, article 17 either eithr expressly that the owners colluded against him. he showed a lot of patience. if it was me i probably would have filed a collusion suit at the end of may or june. i think he's going to get some traction on this. and it's only going to take one guy, maybe a disgruntled ex-employee that knows he's never going to work in the nfl again, can come out and affirm what colin kaepernick knows in his heart is working. if the owners want to show solidarity to the players and what's happening -- and that's in question.
sign colin kaepernick. why doesn't the nfl put some pressure on the team to make sure colin kaepernick get signed? >> if you had a chance to sit down with the president and ask if he has turned this into something it's not, what would you say to him? >> you know what, i don't think he would even lift it. he does things his own ways. they're irrational, off kilter. they're something we're not used to. before this -- i don't know how we can keep up this pace as a country because every week there's something. and he has new enemies every week and new gaps every week. but his consistent thing is
bashing hillary, obama, nfl players. but nfl players are fighting back, community leaders are getting involved. this thing is not going to be settled. the owners want this thing to go away. they don't know how. you're going to have soldiers and gold star families being honored during that month, and this thing is still going to be going on. >> marvin washington, thank you, sir, always appreciate your time. when we come back, meetings between owners and players. what's next? will players continue to protest? mine's way better.
talking a little bit more the flag thing. the league does not expect to change its policy, standing for the national anthem, which is mandatory. so good to have all of you on this evening. so christine, representatives for nfl players and owners met today in new york. and while there wasn't any plan
decided on, a spokesman for the players decided the meetings were productive. watch this. >> racial and social economic inequality has existed in this country for too long. they're not trying to be disrespectful to the flag. they're trying to bring awareness that most people who look like me don't understand. >> did things actually get accomplished the. >> i think it's a really good fist step. i think the fact they're having this meeting is really significant in the wake of donald trump's sob line a fews ago triggering this fury ask concern all over the country. what does it mean moving forward? i think they're going to have another meeting. my sense is they will eventually do something, whether it is
highlighting each team in the community and the concern of social injustice, whatever. but it's not going away. and i think also very important is that there was no mandate for the players to stand, something that was discussed a lot last week as you know, don. and it was donald trump misquoting roger goodell. he never said the players had to stand. he said they should stand. they do want donald trump to be seen as the win here ask have donald trump think it's a victory, because it's not a victory here. >> just hearing the sound bite we played before, i thought it was at least productive in a sense. at least they're having the conversation. but here's what i want to know. they're having the conversation, everybody's involved in this except for the person, dante, who got this all started. and the players spokesman,
jenkins, said kaepernick was invited by the players. but kaepernick's attorneys said later he had not been invited by anyone from the league or team management. what should he do going forward here? does it hurt his credibility if he doesn't intend future meetings, if he's not involved in. >> number one, i think he's doing his own thing. he initially stated last year he was going to donate a million dollars. he's done that. he's been out in the community. he's done a number of things. i think it would be helpful if he was out in attendance -- >> if i started this and management didn't invite me, i probably wouldn't show up. don't you think management should invite him and include him in the talks, something he got started the. >> i think it would be beneficial to have him there and have his voice be heard since he is initially the person who got this whole thing rolling.
but i've talked to players and talked to a couple of league officials. both sides have said that they feel like this meeting was a very productive start, and it's the very beginnings of something they want to continue in the next week or so. and there's going to be a lot of things that are going to happen from a standpoint of players -- again, and i've said this before and got a little flack for it. but players are not just looking at these racial inequality issues. again, they're looking at the gender pay gap. they're looking at housing discrimination. you will see what players will do in the weeks to come, and the nfl is going to give them a platform to do all this just as they do breast cancer week -- i'm sorry, breast cancer month. and just as they do the military month in november. and that's what the players have been wanting all along for the nfl and the owners to step up to the plate. they don't want this to be an
owners versus players issue. they want the owners to support them in these endeavors. >> but that's easier said than done because that's what the president has done. he's turned it into an owners versus player -- >> but, don, the president was not even brought up in the meeting today from what i've urd heard. >> but listen, he turned the conversation that way. it wasn't that way until he did it. lee, it's so good to have you on. and it's unique because you're on agent for a number of players in the nfl. what are they telling you about the protest, what do they want to see happen, and what advice are you giving them if any? >> players have had political consciousness and willing to stand up for what they believe. but the symbolism of the protests needs to be followed up by action. and now players are starting to think about how in combination with the league and the owners, they can go into the ener city,
put together programs that do job education, job retraining, that have interaction with police departments to have better community relations. so the question is action now. you probably wouldn't have seen as many protests had not president trump gone ahead and used language that he did. so what all these protests were about was to focus on problems you'll probably see the nfl do a week much like they do on breast cancer, focusing on inner city issues. and i think that players feel like now they want to go back and play ball, but they want to see these issues addressed. and they will be addressed. >> christine, the nba tipped off tonight. no kneeling during the anthem, but the cleveland cavaliers did stand together, arm in arm similars to the gestures we've seen in the nfl. lebron james spotted with
sneakers saying equality on the back of them. what do you think we're going to see this season? >> i don't think we'll see people taking a knee in the nba. >> why is that? >> i think even more important to answer your is that? >> to answer your question. the coaches. when you see them talking about the president the way they have right from the get go. you are seeing there's a much more attitude of understanding of these issues and i think there's a much more liberal concern, maybe event that would be seen as more liberal anyway and it's been that way a long time. the nba become it's dominated by african-american for so many decades and the nfl as well but not as long as the nba has, i
don't believe, so the nba is much more open-minded for a much longer period of time. >> thank you all. wish i had more time. thank you appreciate your time. when we come back former fox news anchor who called out her own employer about sex harassment and she says we may have reached a tipping point in america. we'll talk about harvey weinstein scandal and much more. we'll be right back. you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
harvey weinstein officially removed from the board of director of the weinstein company meanwhile a screen write ear apologizing for turning a blind out not speaking out sooner, claiming everyone knew about weinstein's behavior. joining us now author of "be fierce" stop harassment and "take your power back". thank you so much. i was riding the subway and men were looking at me reading this. you said more men should step up. i want to talk to but that. it's unfortunate. maybe the time something right because you're the perfect spokes person with this whole weinstein scandal you said it is a water shed moment. >> it is and it's horrific and abc hornetent this be
abhorennt that it went on for decades. many times we cover up sexual harassment. if not for the braveness of these women coming forward we wouldn't know about this now. if i play a role in inspiring those woman to have a voice then all my work in the last 15 months has been forgot. >> it's interesting because during the time it started to surface about what happened to you it was the election, the access hollywood thing, and now we have this. i think even the report something different do you see a double standard when it comes to weinstein and the president harvey weinstein lost his job if thele gas statio the president says it. >> difference is one is running party and the everyone is entitled to a vote.
i chose that as a teachable moment. i hope millions of others parents did the same thing, to sit their children down and say this is not how you treat human beings. for me human decency supercedes any political policy. it's about how we treat one another. i talk about it in the book. >> this is poll that says 8 and 10 women endured unwanted sexual advances and a third say it escelated to sexual abuse and 58% chose not to report the behavior that's 33 million women in america sexually harassed in the workplace or beyond. >> right it's alarming epidemic. all of these women starteds to reach out to me, it's pervasive across all professions, not just hollywood or television
journalism, it's everywhere, don. this is why everyone should be concerned about this. why does every woman still have a story in 2017? that's outrageous. >> yeah. >> i hope to be a factor in doing something about that to change it, i wrote the book to encourage other woman to have the same bravery. >> it is fear, women are afraid to come forward. >> right what happens when you do. you are labelled a troublemaker, work. >> lose your job. >> right never have a career again. 77% of the women don't come forward and of the women chosen are not in their profession any more. social media right now is carrying on the national dialogue of this story. and that's a good thing that all of these women have found that bravery and men are in the equation too and we need you guys out there. >> i grew up the only boy with a
single mom, grandmother was my nanny, so on, i was reading and looking around and guys looking at me reading gretchen carloson's book why is so important for men to step up. >> on my study more men stop med to thank me for what i did and want to shake my hand and they say thank you for my daughters. okay. women are also appreciative, but the man chapter in my book became the longest chapter because i found so many amazing men who were already doing great work. most men want i safe environment for women in the workplace so i wanted to honor men. this is not male bashing this is saying come join us in this fight together because we can't accomplish it without men. >> it's similar, hear me out here, to what's happening in the nfl, what's happened with minorities, that even though you may not be affected by that, you should at least prioritize
racism and discrimination because it will eventually effect you. >> it's a great analogy because we all have to be together as a society to make it better. same thing with sexual harassments it shouldn't be up to women alone to fix this. >> exactly. >> we're the one feeling a shamed but in most cases the guys are making us feel that way so it is their issue so we need good men to stand up and become our allies. >> do you feel free? >> i feel fierce. and i feel that i have given the gift of courage to so many other women across this nation and even across our, you know, even internationally. so free, liberated, yes. which is basically the same word, right. >> i wonder if you ever just take the time and take a breath.
i saw you at the women's variety event and they introduced you with a two-minute standing ovation. i wonder if you just look back over this time and breathe, go what have i done. >> yeah it's interesting because every morning when i wake up i remind myself to be fierce by looking at my bracelet that says that. not that you want to be the face of this. but i think i'm making a difference and giving gift of courage to other women, the gift of being fierce. >> thank you great to see you, read it," be fierce". when we come back will talk about sergeant who lost lives and telling the widow he knew what he signed up for but when it happens it hurts. we'll talk about that.