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what new worlds would they build? that's why we built a university for everyone. southern new hampshire university. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news in the russia investigation. special counsel investigators have interviewed former white house press secretary sean spicer. that according to a source close to the matter. spicer's meeting follows former white house chief of staff reince priebus who talked to investigators just last week. cnn correspondent jim sciutto joins us now. what are you learning about this meeting? >> what topics they would be likely interested in, one is the firing of former fbi director
james comey. he's also known, and this is important, could be important to the investigation, for having taken copious notes for these meetings. you might expect the investigators looking into these decisions would be interested in seeing or having those notes described to him as well. in addition to reince priebus, which you mentioned, anderson, we also know earlier keith kaling, who briefly served when michael flynn was fired, he's also been interviewed now. >> there's also investigation in the senate intelligence investigation involving carter page. >> carter page he's been sort of the public face early on of this investigation because he was willing to speak publicly about his role here. it's now clear how essential carter page's role was in the campaign. president trump early montana campaign did name him as part of the campaign although later said
he was not as close to the center as he described him. he did make many trips to moscow. he spoke in moskow during the campaign, very critical of u.s. policy, praising russian policy there. certainly questions to ask him during the campaign about any communications he may have been aware of particularly between the trump team and russian officials, which we know is the subject of mueller's investigation as well. >> yeah, besides comments he made in russia to russian media about being in meetings with the president or the president-elect, there's no evidence he actually met president trump. in fact on this show he actually admitted he's never met -- stay with us. you broke the story for politico. you have some reporting on what spicer was asked. >> yes, he was asked about the firing of former fbi director
james comey. and he was also asked about meetings he had with russian officials like lavrov in the oval office. and the significance is it's a sign that mueller's investigation is commanding beyond what he originally sought utout to look at, which is did the russians interfere in the 2016 election. these topics show that this goes directly to the question is mueller looking at obstruction of justice -- >> they were also looking at sort of the time line after michael flynn was removed or even before that because it's still not known really, between the time the white house was informed about concerns that law enforcement officials had about michael flynn and conversations he may have had and him actually being fired.
>> that time line is fuzzy. and i think that's one reason why keith kellogg's name showed up. he's likely there to answer questions about that piece of it. >> sean spicer as jim sciutto was talking about, kept notebooks filled with specifics about his work in the white house. does he have to turn all those over to mueller? >> he does. they're not protected by attorney/client privilege or really executive privilege, which has largely been weighed, even if it could be claimed. but even when an executive privilege argument is made, it generally yields to criminal investigations. and so the odds are that those will or already are in the hands of the investigators. and he's obviously the type of person investigators look for. copious note takers are a gift to prosecutors. they tend to be something of a curse for people in washington.
but he is someone who is ubiquitous, who was always present at key moments. so he can fill in a a lot of gaps. at the very least this was due diligence by mueller and could be something more. >> what does it tell you about the pace of the investigation? that sean spicer has been interoviewed and we know reince priebus. >> he's someone that moves quickly. he's someone that comes in with details of the fbi. he's circling the white house, getting closer to the president. and he started with figures no longer employed by the white house, and it's harder for them to assert executive privilege like reince priebus and like sean spicer. so i think it's an indication this investigation is moving quickly and may wrap up not in the immediate weeks to come but certainly in the immediate
months to come. >> in a meeting like this, i think it was jeffrey toobin, who was saying often in this kind of meeting investigators want to show documents, and they already have documents in their possession that they want to show the person and get information about. do you think that's the case here? >> yeah, these usually follow the same course of depositions on the civil side. documents are brought to the witness, the witness can look at them, they'll ask what he has reviewed himself, they'll ask for copies of those. these can be really grueling and tiresome events. where i slightly disagree with paul is i'm not sure the circle is tightening in a legal sense around president trump. i still don't see a particularly powerful case for a criminal prosecution here. they may have something i don't know about. but obstruction of justice still
seems a bit of a hope and prayer from what we know at this time. >> i'm not saying they've made their case yet. but what i'm saying when it's getting in closer, it's getting in closer to finishing. because ultimately he's looking at the president's involvement, whether criminal or noncriminal, whether innocent or guilty. ask i do think he's getting focus now in the final months of this investigation. >> and he's basically reporting, do you know how long this meeting lasts? >> it was all day. it was like seven hours from what i was told. and there are a lot more interviews to go. don megan, the white house counsel is expected to talk to mueller's team. i want to push back on one thing that was said. spicer might be one of the less interesting people that mueller gets to talk to. he wasn't someone in the room. hope hicks was always someone in the room. he never managed to be a central
player in trump's west wing. >> i think that's a fair point. the reason i think spicer's sort of interesting is precisely that. he tends to blend into the background. that's the guy you worry about as a criminal defense attorney, it's a guy people don't particularly notice -- >> you're saying he's like -- >> it's basically that. you don't notice the fiks plant, you don't notice sean spicer. >> especially when he's behind the plant. do you agree with this, the pace of the investigation -- clearly there's still a long way to go. >> the thing about the mueller investigation it's such a tight box. a lot of you learn about the investigation is coming from the lawyers not mueller himself. he's clearly going down paths other than election meddling.
whether he's going to find anything there, we don't know, but he's going down one of those paths. he was not with trump during the campaign, so if you're going back to issues of of collusion, communications with russians during the campaign, which we know is another subject of investigation, that's not something you would go to him for. >> and that brings us to hope hicks, because she's been there for a very long time. >> yeah, i think she's been at trump's side before he declared he was running for president. came to the trump tower mostly in the transition of august of 2016. not the central player some of these other players have been through. >> ask is it hope hicks who receives a lot of the e-mails -- there was someone else to be the person you wanted to go through if you want to get to president trump. >> there's also roana graff.
i don't know what the status is. >> she would print out the e-mails and give his answers in written form so he would not e-mail back. i've heard her as a possible interest of some of the hill committees in term oz of their investigation. >> and obviously anybody on that plane as "the new york times" broke, i think it was maggy haberman, when they were turning i think from europe, when they were crafting a response from donald trump, jr., later claiming it was donald trump's lawyers doing that. it seems like all the reporting was the president actually was involved, and this was being discussedopely on the plane. >> and that's why you'd expect the special counsel of the conversation there. and this is a statement proving at best to be misleading, at least factual incorrect.
because the statement said that trump tower in june was all about adoptions, when later in fact we learned that donald trump was told before the meeting there was the possibility of damaging information on hillary clinton. >> i just want to add, another thing about not taking spicer too seriously. someone said to me it's like questioning him is like asking clara bell about what was going on in the circus. and that's just an indication a lot of people don't take him seriously. remember when he was getting beat up at those press conferences, he would go back and talk to the president about it. and he took detailed notes about it. so he could be a surprise witness for mueller that's got a lot of detailed background information that would lead to other witnesses. and expap the scope. >> just finally on the note of russian interference, the use of social media by russian hackers, you have some new exclusive reporting about that i understand. >> that's right.
and it draws a directly line between the fake news and decisive moves about black lives matter, et cetera. a director line. he's known as the chef to the kremlin. when in fact he's much more. he has many business, including a catering business. but he was sanctioned by the treasury department among other things funding the separatists in ukraine, the military, funding support for the military intervention in ukraine. in this case he ran what was called the internet research agency, a sort of dawn kryptbuilding in st. petersburg that was churning out all this fake news. and me and my colleagues have documents that detail what their intervention was. there was even a department in that building called the department of provocations with the express goal of sewing discord here in the u.s. and just one more detail from
reviewing the documents, the budget in 2013 was $1 million a month. significant funding behind this. very close ties to vladimir putin. >> and his -- there's a direct line between him and vladimir putin? >> absolutely. to the point where vladimir putin had him cater birthday parties and cater two dinners for president george w. bush when he visited russia. there are photographs with him and bush and putin when he did. so a friend, a chef they say but certainly a business associate as well of vladimir putin. >> yeah, i don't know of too will to mean chefs who are given a million dollars a month to run an internet company. >> well, the food was very good. coming up next in case you're wondering how far the president will go to say he's mistaken about president obama
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them. we're going to begin instead with a three star general that would go onto serve as secretary of homeland squurt and now as the president's chief of staff. back in 2010, general kelly about to address the semper fi facility in the west had a few simple words, please he said, don't mention my son. he talked passionately about the sacrifices service men and women make. he told the story of two marines who gave their lives in iraq. he did not even once mention his son. his son was killed in afghanistan just four days earlier. he did not speak of how proud he was gnat robert inenlisted and risen through the ranks. he did not mention the unit he commanded or the losses they took. and he's only rarely spoken of him since. a few moments after that speech he told "the washington post,"
quote, we're only one of 5,500 families who suffered a loss of a child in this war. and everything he said and did not say back then and everything he said and done since then general kelly has refused to make the shared sacrifice of so many about his personal loss. well, this morning the president took general kelly's deeply searing and private loss and made it about his own gain. just days after claiming specifically presidents obama did not call fallen troops, he said this. >> i mean you can ask general kelly, did he get a call from obama. i don't know what obama's policy was. >> keeping him honest is the narrowest possible sense, it is true. the kellys were scheduled to sit at the fist lady's table. it's not clear if they actually attended.
the white house declined to comment. prest bush, reagan and others before them honored the fallen in many ways. phone calls, letters, caskets visiting to wounded. they did that frequently without bringing reporters along. none of them reporters and democrats alike wanted it to be about themselves until now. the president was asked why the families of these four men had yet to hear from their commander in chief. he responded with this. >> i've written them personal letters. they've been sent or they're going out tonight. but they were during the weekend. i will at some point during the period of time call the parents and the families because i have done that traditionally. i felt very, very badly about that. i always feel badly. it's the toughest calls i have to make are the calls where this
happens, sole skrrz adiers are . it's a very difficult thing. now, it gets to a point where you make four or five of them in one day. it's a very tough day. for me that's by far the toughest. so the traditional way if you look at president obama and other president wrrz most of them didn't make calls. i like to do it when it's appropriate, when i like to do it. >> the president said in so many words i don't know, i was told, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, and maybe other presidents didn't call. and that, too, was false. yet as we've seen so many times before this president in his mind simply cannot be wrong. it allows him to stand in front of the cia's wall of the fallen, to relitigate inauguration crowd
size. it allows him to say john mccain's not a hero because he was captured. and after he was captured john mccain was captured and tortured for six years and can barely raise his arms because of it. and now the president who served in vietnam multiple times, has brought his chief of staff's profoundest personal loss into the public realm because he simply cannot be wrong. it'd be one thing if he'd been the one to lose his son in combat, other when he's not. on another note the president called the families of the soldiers killed in niger. david gergen, can you recall any other instance where a president has invoked a fallen service member of his predecessor while at the same time patting himself on his back? >> no, i remember none of that.
typically a gold star relationship especially when a president is trying to console the family, that's kept private by the white house out of respect for the families. and you certainly try to keep it out of politics. so this was a most unfortunate set of remarks over the last few days. i can tell you we all know president obama deeply grieved for the people killed in his administration. he showed up. george w. bush having sent so many troops into combat went frequently to walter reed. this is private, but they do it to protect the fam els. >> the implication that any former president doesn't feel deeply of the loss of service members that very possibly they have sent into the field or kept in the field, it just seems to suggest that just seems deeply insulting to, you know, any former president. >> it is. look, this is the most profound, sobering responsibility a
president has. i remember when president obama returned after an overnight trip to dover to welcome 18 bodies of servicemen and dea agents who had been killed in afghanistan. and he spent several hours over that night meeting with families. and i saw him the next morning. and i have rarely seen him in a more sober, reflective mood because he understood that it's on his order that these young men and women are sent to battle. and every president feels that. and somehow this president has the unerring capacity to turn moments that should be sacred into moments that are profane, that are blasphemied by politics, and it's really shame. the thing about donald trump is that we've learned in the last
nine months if not before is that it's always about him and he can never be wrong. and those two qualities ultimately will defeat him. but in the meantime, it's a shame for the country, it's a shame for these families, and it's a shame that he would sully his predecessors this way. >> and david gergen -- i mean david alexrod, said it's a shame for the country. the president himself is without shame. i think the other thing we have learned is there's really nothing off-limits when it comes to he's been attacked or asked the question -- i guess in this case he was asked the question why he hadn't spoken publicly about the four soldiers killed in niger for 12 days. and he turned to the presidents about the fallen. >> he has this compulsion when
he's facing criticism and must be feeling embarrassed about it to lash out at others and to blame others and trafrankly lie about it. david and i have both been there. i just can't tell you that how within the white house, these are solemn responsibilities, solemn molts. there's an important norm about policy and the way we interact with each other in politics that this president seems to want to destroy. it cheapens politics, it cheapens the way we treat each other. >> there's this whole idea that the oval office changes its inhabitant for the better or they rise to the grander history of the office, of the responsibilities and somehow remove the instinct for cheap, political shots particularly on
internal matters. that doesn't seem to be the case here. >> that was this hope that the office would change donald trump, and he would show that capacity for growth that we've seen in all presidents when faced with these responsibilities. but as we said earlier, he's so consumed by himself or with himself i should say, that he seems unable to view things in the way people normally would, that fundamental sense of empathy. imagine if he had taken that question yesterday and said my heart goes out to those families, my heart goes out to those young men who gave their life for this country. and i will -- i will express that in my own way to those families. you know, and just leave it. just leave it at that, which is how most people would respond. i know president obama is someone who values his own children more than he values anything in life. he almost told me if something
happened to one of his children, he couldn't get out of bed. and so he always looked at these families in that way, as someone who -- and, you know, he put himself in their shoes. i don't see that capacity in this president. that's why he can go to puerto rico for example and use it as an occasion to claim credit for the good job that he and his team had done even as the island was in utter catastrophe. and we're still seeing that catastrophe unfold. that lack of empathy is just stunning maneuver and we certainly saw it here. >> david axelrod, david gergen, thank you both. before we go to break, i want to tell you a little bit about the soldiers who lost their lives in niger. staff sergeant dustin wright of liones, georgia, came from a long line of military tradition. his brother saying that the
wroigts have been serving since the war of 1812 but have never suffered a loss until now. i know my brother didn't want accolades. he did not for the president to say he did a good job but because he loved it, and that's what he wanted to do. staff sergeant bryan black. a neighbor says he wants to personally tell sergeant black for giving his life to keep america safe. staff sergeant jumia johnson was a veteran of ohio. the mayor saying he was someone if you met him, you liked him immediately. he worked at wal-mart before signing up. he leaves a wife and two young children, a son and a daughter age 2 and 6. his third child is on the way.
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we learned toot that appropriating someone else's deepest personal loss and trying to win an argument is not beyond this president. we also learned he's not beyond threatening a possible terminally ill 81-year-old with pay back because his feelings are hurt. >> people have to be careful because at some point i fight back. you know, i'm being very nice. i'm being very, very nice but at some point i fight back and it won't be pretty. >> the president this morning talking about the speech senator
mccain gave last night, which did not mention the president by name but was clearly an attack. >> to abandoned the adeals we have advanced around the globe, to refuse the obligations of international leadership and our duty to remain the last best hope of earth for the sake of some half-baked spurious nationalism cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems -- [ applause ] -- is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that americans can sign to the ash heap of
history. >> it's hard to say whether the president is punching up or punching down at this point. what's not hard to conclude is this is not the first time he's taken a swing. >> i don't like the job john mccain is doing in the senate. john mccain probably has the dirtiest mouth in the senate. john mccain has not helped a lot of people like he should. he was the war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. i liked him a lot. i raised a million dollars for him. he lost, so i never liked him as much after that because i never like losing. >> as for this latest prejudice text senator mccain said he's faced tougher challenges and
elaborated a little in his remarks last night. >> were you addressing the president or bannon or the group in total? >> i think that what is clear is what i was talking about is an environment here of nonproductivity, of a reversion to the attitude of the 30s, which is one of the major reasons why we fought in world war ii. >> let's get some perspective now. doug, i mean the fact that the president of the united states continues to attack and today john mccain who is an american hero whether you agree with his politics or not, what does that do to the office of the presidency? i mean has this happened before? >> well, it's another time of donald trump making the white house look very small. i mean harry truman had the
bucks stop here on him and this is sort of like scapegoat hatchery should be the sign-on trump's desk. i mean this picking on john mccain every time mccain wants to come out and talk about what's bothering him, trump seems to be mean and cruel. and now the fact mccain's having a struggle with his health and donald trump's being a bully and threaten him. it's just unbelievable. john mccain's is one of the great war heros in history period, donald trump was a chicken hawk in vietnam and looked for deferment ways out. and i think he has a right to challenge mccain on love of country and just decency. >> for a guy who did seek out multiple deferments from serving in vietnam, he likes to -- what is it that makes him do this, that makes him never admit any
mistake and launch attacks, basically just like roy cohn 101? >> it is roy cohn, 101. roy taught you never apologize and you never excuse yourself so on. you attack, attack, attack. with what the presidented in that clip of yours contrasted with john mccain's actual courage. donald trump is essentially a frightened man. and when john mccain was in the hanoi hilton, donald trump as he explained to me was focused oen making money, how to make more money. this is a completely different set of values. he also talked about how mccain was last in his class at annapolis. well, mccain was in a real academy and trump was at a fake
academy playing soldier. there's a difference between mccain who demonstrated physical courage, political courage to stand up there and a president who wants to stand up there and attack a guy with cancer, it's shocking. >> should the president go after a member of his own party like this? i get he was annoyed about the vote on health care, but he's still in his own party and he still could use as much support he can get in the senate. >> look, it's understandable donald trump's dispointed in john mccain. he didn't like the big thumbs down, that he made some occasional political barb. but the very fact is he had said john mccain's not a war hero, that i don't like people captured, trying to destroy mccain's heroism and john mccain's a real thel dor roosevelt figure in our country,
someone about duty, honor in our country. no, you've never seen anything like it. it's like ted kennedy, his last great year in the senate, trying to take a moral high ground, and donald trump think he's going to be able to smear john mccain, he's sadly mistaken. because anywhere with moral decency america is going to back john mckaine if it becomes a feud between these two. >> donald trump as a civilian, ever shown a sense of -- i'm sorry -- >> i can see you struggling. >> no shame. he seems shameless. >> he is shameless. this is true in his business life where he's claimed triple the wealth than he's ever actually possessed. and he's shameless in his personal life. john mccain's been married to the same person since 1980. during that time period trump's has gone through three marriages and one really horrible scandal
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in just a few moments going to hear from colin kaepernick's attorney speaking frut the first time since filing a collusion case against the nfl. specifically sites the president in the grievance for invoking the controversy. today players and owners met in union city. jenkins said this after the meeting. >> do you think the owners came into this meeting with the player's best interests? >> i think we all mutual interests. i think players are part of this league, and so we want to make sure that the quality of product that we put out in the field and great, but at the same time we have a responsibility to the communities we live in, the communities that we come from. and so i think we all share that interest and really talk more in collaboration than us against
you type thing. >> mark geragos joins us now in a cnn exclusive interview. it reads in part, quote, athletes should not be denied employment based on political provocation on the executive branch of the government. what exactly are you alleging? that president trump pressured owners not to sign your client? >> yeah, that he's -- i don't have to use more than a couple of his campaign rally tapes showing where he is saying that he tweeted and because he tweeted the owners are scared by the angry tweets. ironically we filed this on sunday, and just about an hour and a half ago the owner of the san francisco 49ers came out, jed york and said just that very thing, he confirmed that the nfl owners shouldn't be intimidated by tweets from the president. so i think it's fairly obvious, anyone who follows nfl football will tell you that it's beyond
any doubt, not just a clear prebonderance, but beyond any doubt that he should be playing in the league. and that's all he really wants. >> we know president trump called the coy boy dallas owner, jerry jones, because he tweeted about it. jerry's a winner who knows how to get things done. players will stand for country. do you believe the players spoke for kaepernick in that phone call? >> i have no doubt about it. i think that's something going to come to the floor very quickly. i think that clearly -- i was told today when colin kaepernick was brought up in the meetings today, that the owners immediately called for a bathroom break. no one even wanted to talk about it in the front of the players who are there. and by the way, i saw that little piece. and there's been talk about whether he was invited or wasn't invited. i can tell you categorically that my office specifically asked if he was invited, and we were definitely told he was not
invited and that he had no role. quote, unquote. and so we had offered to have him come there and discuss the very social movement that he created and was told that he had no role. so anything else is just a disinformation of propaganda. >> it was reported thathat players had invited him but colin kaepernick had turned it down. you're saying that's not true. >> that's absolutely incorrect. that's not true. in fact the players i think were given some disinformation. because specifically i have two independent witnesses who also heard the conversation in which he was told he had no role. we anticipated, he's right down the street. he could have been there in less than a $10 cab ride. >> your statement also includes
some conduct -- what's the allegation? >> the collusion, all you've got to show -- i know i've read a lot about this what an up hill battle it is and things of that flafrp. every day there are prosecutors who prove conspiracies which are akin to collusion, and they do it beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court room, whether federal or state. and they do it without any kind of smoking gun. i'm going to predict right now we will have a smoking gun. i'm not going to alert who it will be or what it will be. but we have a high degree of confidence that this will be able to be proved and that there are people who are not going to get into an arbitration proceeding, and they're not going to lie. they're going to tell the truth and they're going to say what happens, that they were told no, you're not going to hire him. in fact i would call on the players to say stop using us as
window dressing for this and having these meetings where they don't do anything. i think the players should demand that colin gets a fair shake on the field. don't talk to me about this, that and the other which i say looks nothing but like a dog and pony show. i can give you five different examples of teams that should have signed him because clearly colin is if not one of the 20 top guys walking the earth who can play quarterback. he's certainly within the top 30. and there is nobody who will tell you who's not in the top 65. >> so what's the believance? for him to play again, get a monetary award or something else. >> i made a decision because i counseled colin and listened to clients. colin said my number one goal is
i'm 29 years old, i want to play. i still have the ability to play, i want to play. and i said if that's the case, we're going to go under incollective bargaining agreement. even though you get a jury and if you had a jury in the right position, they would hammer the nfl. i explained that to him. i said you've got that decision to make and he said i want to play football. >> mark geragos, appreciate you being on. the situation in puerto rico for many is still dire. and there's no indication things will get better. the latest from the ground when we come back. that's why they're my go-to snack while i get back in shape. that one's broken. jim! you're in! making tough choices. but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the only brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure.
americans that one month ago was devastated by hurricane maria. today about 86% of the island has no power and most likely won't until the new year. drinking water is scarce with some residents tapping into potentially hazardous waste water. here's part of what the president said about puerto rico yesterday. >> people don't have drinking water. >> well, we've delivered tremendous amounts of water. then what you have to do is distribution by the people on the island. so we have massive amounts of water. we have massive amounts of food. but they have to distribute the food and they have to this. they have the distribute the food to the people of the island. so what we've done is we now actually have military distributing food, something that really they shouldn't have to be doing. >> the military is in puerto rico to help distribute food and water that is literally part of why they're there. our ed lavandera is in puerto rico, reporting why people still one month on are struggling to get what they need. >> reporter: as local legend has
it, this town was the first city in puerto rico to get electrical light more than 100 years ago. but now people in puerto rico wonder if this might be one of the last places to get the lights turned back on. to understand what they're struggling with, mayor luis hernandez tells us to jump into his police humvee for a ride. we drive deep can through the mountain valley. he says things are improving so slowly that it's like the hurricane struck yesterday. this is a city that sits high in the mountains of central puerto rico. it's home to about 27,000 people. the nightmare and the logistical nightmare that hurricane maria left behind is everywhere. it took three weeks just to clear some of the major roads. there is no electricity anywhere in the city. the mayor says it's taken weeks for state and federal officials to understand how desperate the situation is here. he's asked federal authorities for central generators. they haven't come.
he struggled to get helicopters to evacuate three people who needed kidney dialysis and oxygen. they along with one other person died. he says that evacuation helicopters didn't arrive in time to get the people out of here to save their lives, and they ended up dying. local crews deliver food and water to 1500 families, but that's still not enough. and he is not convinced all the relief supplies are reaching the residents here. the mayor says that he's worried and he's heard that there's food and water that has been sent for this town, and he believes it's just sitting in san juan and not making its way here. the mayor says major help has only started to arrive in the last two days. fema officials are processing disaster claims, and he's getting logistical help from the military. it is too slow? [ speaking spanish ]
yes, he says it's too slow because the line between life and death is very thin here. >> do they have an idea when they may be getting power? >> well, they have one last-ditch effort. they've been kind of scraping together all sorts of ideas to help themselves out there in villalba. high in the mountains there. they have one last option that could possibly bring partial power over the next couple of weeks. but that's a long shot. the mayor is saying after that if that doesn't work, they're looking as long as six months. the governor here in puerto rico is hoping to have 95% of the power back on by mid-december. that six-month time line this mayor is looking at is beyond that. >> ed lavandera. thanks very much. up next, the latest high-ranking white house staffer interviewed by robert mueller's team. former press secretary sean spicer. what that means for the russia probe, when we continue.
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