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you are live in the "cnn newsroom" on this saturday. i'm pamela brown in for ana cabrera. great to have you along with us. eyes are on texas. we will soon glimpse a rare sight, all five former presidents in the same room. president trump noticeably will not be there. you'll recalli only been a few days since george w. bush and barack obama delivered thinly vail attacks against the commander in chief. and last night steve bannon, trump's defend are on the outside, fired back.
>> at the present time it's clear he didn't understand anything he was backing about. he has no earthly idea whether he was coming or going, just like he was when he was president of the united states. there's not been a more destructive presidency than george bush's. boris sanchez will live right outside the white house, and our katy hartung is live at the benefit in texas. bannon han dollar literal regard against the gop establishment, and he delivered that speech at the california gop it convention. does the white house endorse bannon's attacks. >> we asked the white house for comment on bannon's statement. we have yet to hear back. you'll recall earlier this week when the president held a joint press briefs with mitch mcconnell, he was discussed about attacks on mcconnell and other republicans. and he said steve bannon is a
friend and doing what he believes is best for the country. however, bannon's attacks on reps in office now is different from what we saw yesterday when he was viciously going after a former president, questioning his intelligence, questioning whether or not president george w. bush knew the words he was saying during his speech on thursday, in which he warned about the dangers of nativism and talked about problems with protectionism. he also went on to say that bigotry is emboldened in the united states, and we should be wary of conspiracy theories, the democracy is now more susceptible to them. former president bush didn't directly signal president trump or steve bannon, but if you read between the lines, it's pretty clear what he was talking about. beyond that, bannon has been recrawing candidates and raising funds to challenge a lot of establishment republicans currently in office in the
midterm elections of 2018. it's a delicate balance between toeing the line of his. base right, the breitbart base, and working with those like mitch mcconnell who the president needs to appease to the a lot done on his agenda. cluck tax reform. pam? >> you talk about prush, he will be at this concert lookening with four other living presidents. kay lee, with will notice bless not be there, that is president trump. do we know why? >> reporter: it's been surprisingly difficult to get an answer to a seemingly different question -- was president trump invited to join five former presidents? the answer is he will be appearing tonight via a previously recorded message. it's a two-minute message. we have a clip of it for you here. >> as we begin to rebuild, some
of the america's finest a public servants are spearheading the one america appeal. through this effort, all five lives former presidents are playing a tremendous role in helping our fellow citizens recover. to presidents jimmy carter, george h.w. bush, bill clinton, george w. bush, and barack obama, melania and i want to express or deep gratitude for your tremendous assistance. >> reporter: a message of unity and gratitude from president trump there, but it's no secret, there's no love lost between president trump and the bushes or the clintons or barack obama. we do know tonight we will see all five living presidents, four of them will address the crowd in short remarks i'm told will focus on volunteerism, president george h.w. bush no longer
speaks publicly, as you know, but it definitely will be a rare sight. >> thank you both so much. i want to bring in our panel to discuss all of this. we have "the washington post" political reporter eugene scott, and deputy managing editor of "the weekly standard" kelly jane torrance. thank you for coming on. it seems pretty remarkable that a crowd at a republican convention about as loyal and establishment as you can get would be booing a former republican president. is the republican party at war with itself? what does it tell you about where things stand within the gop? >> it is at war with itself. you can tell that by the reaction from the crowd? you did have some people boos george bush, and when steve bannon made his remarks, you ahead a few laughs from the audience, but it was not an overwhelmingly anti-bush crowd. it was definitely a mixed crowd. you know, i don't know if the gop's at war with itself so much
as it's undergoing a hostile takeover right now from people like steve bannon. his words, he literally seems to have said he's declaring war on the republican party. he's out to get what he considered establishment candidates. of course, he never really dwights what an establishment candidate is. what do these people believe his's so against. he talks generally about americaism, when you -- you start to wonder what his real motives are. >> right. it's clear what he didn't like about president bush speech in particular is he focus odd globalism, whereas steve bannon has a very different viewpoint. >> eugene, i want to bring you. the president, as we know seems to strive in chaos. today la david, was laid to red.
president trump stoke the flames of that controversy surrounding congresswoman wilson, who is close to the family. here's what he tweeted. he says -- i hope the fake news media talks about wacky congresswoman wilson in that she as a representative is killing the democratic party. again this is the same day that la david johnson is laid to rest. is he trying to deflect? >> he's trying to be consistent with his base, and his base has rallied behind attacking representative wilson, because we're in such a troublistic partisan time. the president has sent more tweets attacking at the times congresswoman wilson than he sent honoring the four soldiers who died no niger. we still don't know what happened, and that's where the focus should be, what happened to these servicemen who put their lines on the line in the military organization, a
community that the president says he values so much. he just hasn't been forward and forthcoming with why they were even there. i think a lot of americans still have questions. the white house has been pretty silent, saying and kellyjane, just in terms of optics, a soldier laid to rest today, five former presidents raising money for hurricane relief. meanwhile, president trump is golfing and tweeting attacks against a congresswoman. is this a missed opportunity to lead, for president trump? >> it is. you know, eugene made a great point talking about how trump says he values the military. he values it so much he doesn't think you should be able to question a four-star general, but how much does he value it when -- i was curious about this concert tonight, i thought maybe it was a last-minute thing they couldn't do the logistic.
it was announced on october 4th, it's now october 21st. if trump wanted to be there, it would not have been a problem, about you i have to won't -- and you look at what they five men. these are, you know, old i guys, their health is not that great, and they're getting up on stage, they're getting there to encourage people to help relief efforts. you know, donald trump has an amazing megaphone with his twitter account. millions of people read it. networks like this one, cnn broadcast what he's tweeting. instead of talking about fallen soldiers, encouraging other americans to help, he's going after a congresswoman, and, you know, the fake media. it's really quite incredible he has an opportunity to help americans, and he's just not using it. >> he said -- he admitted that
he knows how powerful this platform is, and told fox business news, as soon as i tweet, it's on your show two seconds later. he knows the effect it has. >> exactly. >> eugene, i want to go to you now. at a dinner earlier this week, how speaker paul ryan went through a list of facts that people might not know about them. it was supposed to be a joke, but one of these facts was particularly interesting. take a listen. >> every morning, i wake up in my office and scroll twitter to see which tweets i will have to pretend i did not see later on. >> okay. so it was meant to be a joke, but do you think there is some truth to that? >> absolutely. i mean. when the president tweets things that people find problematic or just leave the press with more questions, we tent tend to go to everything who can provide some perspective, which would include the house speaker. very often the house speaker does not want to comment on these tweets, because as you
say, he wants to pretend he didn't even see them. both the president and ryan are here to serve the american people. when you're talking about hurricane relief, tax reform and health care and these issues that many americans consider priorities when they went to the election booth in november, they need more than 140 characters, and unfortunately the president and his communications shop has not been as forth coming with the questions that the people have, especially on this issue in niger, ejohn mccain said he's received insufficient information on it, and he's the top republican in the senate on armed services. there's so much more that needs to be known by everyone. >> right i. sarah sanders was asked about it repeatedly and she just would say dod is investigating, we'll let you know when we learn both. thank you both for coming on. coming up sergeant la david
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so this is the final resting place, 25 years old killed earlier this month during an isis ambush. three other american soldiers killed in that ambushed, despite knew details emerging there are still so many unanswered question about what happened to ma american unit october 4th. michelle kosinski joins me now from washington. what more are we learn about that weekend, the deployment to and what happened to those soldiers. >> just a few more details. some of it is just sorting out confusion and some back and forth there's been. from what u.s. officials are saying now, they troops were working with anythi ining with. they had stopped in a village to get supplies, then had a meeting with local leaders. it's believed now the u.s. troops were leaving that meeting and they were already in their
unarmored vehicles when this attack by around 50 isis fighters began, although that's not 100%. there was some conflicting reporting that maybe they weren't even in their vehicles yet, you know, contributing to the risk of casualties. at any rate, that's something that the investigation is obviously working on. there's also a question over when la david johnson was somehow separated from his fellow troops and find about 48 hours later about a mile away, was there a sort of tracking signal coming from him, might that, though, have been coming from a vehicle instead? so there are questions over what exactly happened and what was the situation on the ground, but then bigger questions over how it happened in the first place. questions about the intel and the coordination among u.s.
anythi take a listen to what he set. >> the war is headed to africa. it's beginning to morph, as we suppress the enemy in the middle east, they're going to move. they're not going to quit. >> retired arm colonel steve warren is our military, and bob anderson former head of the fbi's cybercrime division. first to you, colonel, is the war sort of heading toward africa more and more? >> senator graham is spot on in this case, in my view. the war will continue to morph. we see these radical jihadist forces looking for a home. what they look for is ungoverned spaces, fragile central
government as areas where they can plant their flag, where there's ample opportunity to recruit new followers. he's also right in the second sense that he didn't even touch on, and it's what we have seen in niger, they go in and attempt to strengthen local support, and in an effort to beat back the burgeoning terror forces. >> if that's the case, what can we do to prevent future attacks. what needs to change to prevent this from happening again? >> in every case, what we're going to have to do now, is figure out other resource allocation. you know, we saw the commander of u.s. africa command testify just this past march and talk about the fact, because it's
africa and today the priority is the middle east, he only gets about 20 to 30% of the intelligence assets that he requires, or that he believes he needs, we are we are going -- >> bob, we have learned that the fbi is assisting the pentagon's investigation. what does the fbi bring to the table in an investigation like this? >> pamela, great to you you again unfortunately under these circumstances. the fbi brings a specialized team on the ground. ballistics and everything that happened at the ambush site, but allow everything to see a time line of what happened. i'm sure they have already talked to the troops on the ground during this incident, both our own troops and the
troops of niger. they're going to work on the country hosting our troops as well as the intelligence organizations to see if we could pick up our determined if there's a planned or hasty a tack. whats going to come out this there you the men and women on the ground is kind of razor point timeline on exactly what happened, where and why it happened. >> and working in tandem as we speak. i'm curious what the significant is. we've had michelle kosinski said that sergeant johnson may have been a tracking vehicle. what does that mean? >> it depends. on these types of incidents, the last thing that anybody in those teams will want to do is leave anybody behind, quite frankly. so they would have, in some instances the ability to track vehicles and/or personnel. i think in any fog of war and
confuse at one of these sites, we really need to wait until the fbi and the department of defense comes out with a full report. there's different things, and steve can talk to this, that you do during ambush situation, one is an attempt to drive through it, another is sometimes you have to engage. i think there could be a variety of issues and -- >> pamela, you know in, all of human endeavor, there is nothing that compares to a fire fight as far as the confusion, the fear, the screams, the blood, the terror that permeates, and number one is that confusion. you know, having been there, i'll tell you, you don't know where the bullets are coming from. there's only 12 guys, you have five down, right? three killed initially, two wouldn't wounded. you need at least one american to take care of each. the confusion is something i don't think most people can understand, and that's what leads us to this. >> not unless you've been there
like you, you know? >> again, it's like no other human endeavor. as we look, it's been two weeks now, why don't we know this detail and that? i tell you, this is the middle of nowhere. it's like the surface of the moon as far as its remoteness. just look to las vegas, where even now we're still seeing revisions of the timeline. this is a place that's blanketed in tv cameras, and there's all sorts of eyes in vegas, unlike in africa where there's almost nothing. it would take time. we are so grateful to have experts like the fbi there to really help piece this all together. edges colonel warren, bob anderson, thank you so much. >> thanks, pal la. coming up on this saturday, the russians who met with keyed trump officials at trump tower have spoken to senate investigators. details on that when we come back. give up, skeletor! you're finished! curse you, he-man,
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well, cnn has learned that russians present at that now infamous 2016 meeting at trump tower last summer have been interviewed by senate intel investigators, according to senator richard burr, who stopped short of revealing exactly who has been questioned. and while the monday-long probe into russian and trump campaign collusion continues, the president on a fox business interview airing sunday, is calling this federal investigation, quote, bad for the country. i want to discuss this now with cnn legal analyst michael zeldin. thanks for coming on. >> my pleasure.
>> the president says, this is bad for the country, this investigation is batsd for country. do you agree? >> no, i think it's important for us to know whether or not there was collusion or coordination between the trump campaign and russians. i think it's important to know what the russians did with respect to tampering with the election, irrespective of whether there is collusion at the end. it's important to know what paul manafort or general flynn had done, so give evidence with what happened, how to prevent it, and who is responsible, if anyone, but to call it a witch-hunt or bad for democracy i think misses the point. >> from the white house perspective, you know, it's clear the president does not like the shadow hanging over his first year in office, but i have heard from people the concern is also that it's hurting foreign affairs, dealing with foreign leaders, that this is brought up
that the president is under investigation, do you think that mule oth mueller, at some point, even before the investigation wraps up, look, the investigation is ongoing, but the president isn't a target of the investigation. >> probably, if it was determined that there was no collusion that involved the president personally. >> or obstruction of justice. >> other obstruction of justice, there is no reason why he couldn't do that. there's no with four, five work streams that he's undertaking, there's no way why he can't say this work stream is tied up, we're done with, but we're still working on others. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. the problem is it's hard to get to the ultimate question of what was the involvement of the trump campaign with respect to collusion, and what if any reason did president trump have in obstructing the investigation, until pretty late in the process. >> right, because they have just started regard le the first
round of interviews with white house officials and former officials, reince priebus, sean spicer, and general kellogg. what does that tell you that they're just -- >> they're in the outer ring. nobody in the white house presently, hope hicks, who would know a lot about the communications, i don't know that she's been interviewed. others presently in the white house, we've all go to former, so we're moving in, as you would normally do, and i think we've got weeks or months still to go. >> let me quickly ask you this. i've spoken to people close to the president who said if mueller wanted to interview him, they would actually advise against it. >> what do you think about that? >> i the white house would absolutely advise again it. the white house wants to wait until the end to see if they can avoid an interview, or two if they have to have an interview, they have that after they know
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incredible new details about the lengths that russia went to to legitimize its troll accounts to social media and influence american voters s "the daily beast quest reports that it was retweeted numerous times by key trump campaign staffers. joining me now is senior news editor for "the daily beast." and michael zeldin is back with you. ben, you helped breaks this story, obviously, tell us how this happened. what does it look like? >> sort of pretend to be the ten, underscore, gop. most of the stuff it tweeted was standard republican talking points, anti-democrat stuff, and then every one in a while it would veer into kremlin talking
points, marine le pen, even though this is a tennessee gop account. we found out this week it was in fact based out of the intranet research agent troll familiar in petersburg. >> the key question is, did anyone retweeting it know it was atually emanating from a russian troll farm? >> we asked the campaign, they did not respond. we do know donald trump jr., the president's son retweeted how there was florida fraud in that account. kelly anne conway retweeted two days before the election. michael flynn jr., the son of michael flynn, now a deep part of this russian investigation, he tweeted it over 30 times. >> how does that compare to random people on the street retweeting them? >> exactly. >> i may have, i don't know, it's possible, i'm just throwing
it out there. i know lots of people in the media -- it was a very active account day and night. so it was on maybe a shady thing about this, it was manned 24/7. if it was odds dude in tennessee, he did not get a lot of sleep. >> that is fascinating michael, did they know? if they were retweeting a russian's account, was there any collusion? >> it may be the $64,000 question, which is collusion or coincidence? it could be there's a lot of coincidences, that it's an active campaign, and they're active in social media and just retweeting stuff that's of stuff to them, or it was coordinated. that is, there was the hacking of the dnc, the hacking of the podesta e-mails, the prediction of their release, then their release, then the use of it, and
then this targeting campaign that mirrors what jared kushner's data analytics campaign. you can't look at what was good on facebook and twitter by the russians, separate from what was going on on twitter and facebook by kushner and the data analytics. they just marry up so closely. could be coincidence. i'm not accusing anybody of anything, object it could be collusive. i think you talked about this. >> i think the important thing that michael brings up is this is a holistic thick, the pizza emphasize gate conspiracy. they came from read been too deeply into john podesta's e-mails, the dnc hacks, and they were pushed over and over again by the russian troll accounts. like, if they posed as african-americans in the united states, they would post 90% inspirational and 10% about hillary clinton is running a
pedophile operation off a pizza shop. this was coordinated in that capacity. we don't know who it was coordinated with. >> legally what mueller looking at? you know, you keep hearing that collusion isn't a crime, so what would the legal ramifications be? >> so if the russians at the donald trump jr. meeting, for example, gave something of value to the campaign and the campaign gave something back, that could be a conspiracy to violate the election laws, because foreign nationals are not allowed to make contributions. >> that's up for debate where incriminating information is actually something of value, right? >> that's right. that's right. >> i'm heard varying opinions on this, that it's sort of unprecedented. >> there's from f.e.c., federal elections commission finding that opposition research has a value. if you donate something of value, it's a contribution, so
in the end it would be hard to say this is not a donation of something of value. it's a potential for violation of federal elections commission laws. >> and to be fair they claim they never received anything. >> that's right. there's a computer fraud act that makes it illegal to hackment's computer. similarly it would make it a crime for you to make use of that information knowingly, i steal something, that's a crime. you receive that stolen property, knowing that it's stolen, that's a separate crime. so the question here is, did they know that this was hacked information illegally so? did they agree to use it for their political interests? if so, potential conspiracy to violate the computer fraud and abuse act. >> all under investigation, and they have all claimed inspects, but this is something that robert mueller is looking at. >> which is why the
investigation will take a while. >> much to the chagrin of the white house. thank you both. coming up on this saturday, an explosionive report about former former fox news host bill o'reilly, and the $32 million sexual harassment on settlement. but first, anthony bourdain takes us to a dining scene at the crossroads in pittsburgh. >> since the decline of big steel in the post-war years, leading up to the '60s and beyond pittsburgh fell on some hard times. but, they say, things are turning around. high tech, medical research, a
orile cry settled a claim to $32 million, with a longtime fox news legal analyst. "new york times" reports that fox news went on to re-sign o'reilly a month later for a $25 million a year contract before eventually firing him in april. let's bring in cnn correspondent jean casarez she joins me to discuss we just heard from bill oriley's representative. >> but first a statement from 20th century fox. they say when the company renewed bill o'reilly's contract in february, it knew a sexual lawsuit had been threatened against him, but was informed by mr. o'reilly he had settled the matter personally on financial terms that they had agreed were confidential and not disclosed to the company. his new countered made at a time
typical for renewals, added protections for the company, specifically aimed at harassment, including that mr. o'reilly could be dismissed if the company was made aware of other allegations or if additional relevant information was obtained in a company investigation. the company subsequently acted, based on the terms of this contract. obviously they're talking about him leaving the company. now, we did, just minutes ago, get a statement from mark fabiani on behalf of bill o'reil o'reilly. one against "new york times" has maliciously smeared bill o'reilly, this time even failing to print a sworn affidavit from his personal lawyer, repudiating all allegations against bill o'reilly. the times ignored that evidence sworn under oath and chose to rely on an unsubstantiated allegations anonymous source and
incomplete, leaked or stolen documents. >> hmm, this is all very interesting on many levels, but the company here is basically saying, we about that there was a settlement. we didn't know how much it was for, $32 million, but we wrote it in the contract in case there was more. >> the pivotal point is they had knowledge. they had knowledge that there was at least an accusation there could be a lawsuit, and it appears they knew the person involved. they are saying it was a personal situation, they were out of it, they didn't know anything about it -- >> even though the -- you know, the accuser in this case was a fox news legal analyst. >> and lis wiehl, is former --, so accomplished in
her own right for many years. >> and to be clear, o'reilly denies all of these allegations, right? >> yes. >> even though he settled in one case. he says it's not true. >> yes, right. saying there's a conspiracy against him and that settling a case does not mean you're admitting anything, you are settling a case. >> again, for $32 million, how unprecedented is a settlement to the tune of millions and millions of dollars in a case like this? >> i think that's a tough question. which you're talking about a confidenceal settle president also time you don't know the amount of money. "new york times" is reporting this. they brought it to light. they sayers $32 million, that's huge. >> this is all happening in the wake of the harvey weinstein sexual harassment scandals. >> and in the midst before bill cosby's retrial. >> and of course roger ailes, the sexual harassment claims
against them. >> it assignments as though there's a shifting landscape here. >> it's amazing, and it really did start with bill cosby. it went on from there. as you can see, it's been a continual eye-opener, i think for the last several years now. aenchts one more thing "new york times" is also reporting that there was repeated harassment by bill o'reilly towards lis weil. that they had a nonconsensual relationship and there was a sending of salacious electronic communication by bill o'reilly. stimplgts jean casarez, thank you very much for breaking it down for us. and coming up hardbreaking video from florida, where sergeant la david johnson juan