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and you are live in the cnn news room on this saturday. i'm pamela brown. great to have you along with us and just one hour from now, we will witness a rare joint appearance by five members of the most exclusive club in the world. all of the nation's living form er presidents, barack obama, george w. bush, bill clinton, george h.w. bush and jimmy carter. they will reunite at texas a&m university for a hurricane relief convert to benefit victims in texas, florida, and the caribbean.
this comes after days after obama and the younger bush blasted the current state of politics under president trump, breaking the code of silence that former presidents normally maintain. and particular, it was the comments by bush warning against bigotry that left trump's former chief strategist, steve bannon, to deliver a blistering attack on bush and call for a republican revolt. >> president trump to me embarrassed himself. speech writer wrote a high pha fluten speech. it's clear he didn't understand anything he was talking about. he has no earthly idea whether he's coming or going. just like it was when he was president of the united states. there's not been a more destructive presidency than george bush's. >> well, steven sanchez joins us live from the white house and boris, do we know if the president was aware bannon was going to say those things? >> reporter: hey, pamela, it is not clear. cnn has reached out to the white house for comment on bannon's comments, but we have yet to get
a response. it is something of this white house has had to talk about before though. you'll recall just last week, bannon was talk iing about mitc mcconnell as if he were julius ceaser and he talked about finding his brutus. he's at war with the gop. you'll remember on monday, trump was here at the white house giving a joint press briefing with mcconnell in which he said that steve bannon is a friend and that steve bannon doing what he believes is best for the country. again, those were his comments about mcconnell and other republicans. this to some degree though is different. it is a vicious attack on a former president in which he questions president trump's intelligence and whether or not he knew what he was saying in that speech. it is very much keeping in line with the vow he made when he left the white house, that he would attack anyone that went
after president trump. >> do we know why president trump won't be at the concert tonight? >> we don't have a clear indication as to whether or not there was some thought behind this. the white house put out a statement saying that they were happy to be invited to participate in it because president trump is going to be featured in about a two-minute video thanking the crowd for their contributions and thanking the presidents on hand as well. here's a bit of the video now. >> as we begin to rebuild, some of america ee's finest public survey vants are spearheaded the one america appeal. through this effort, all five living former presidents are play iing a tremendous role in helping our fellow citizens recover. to presidents jimmy carter, george h.w. bush, bill clinton, george w. bush, and barack obama, melania and i want to
express our deep gratitude for your tremendous assistance. >> so certainly the president's presence will be felt at the concert, but the optics perhaps of having him on stage with these former presidents with whom just in the past week, he's had some awkward exchanges to say the least. that would just be odd for something that's meant for a good cause, pamela. >> so to be clear, the president was asked to participate, but we don't know if he was invited to comment personally, correct? >> yes. he was invited to participate and that's how we wound up with this video message, but it's unclear whether he was invited to be there in person. >> all right. thank you so much. and to refresh your memory, here's some of what president bush and president obama said this week. >> our young people need positive role models. bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone.
provides permission for cruelty and bigotry and compromises the moral education of children. >> have to win a campaign by dividing people. you're not going to be able to govern them. you're not going to be -- >> joining us to discuss, cnn presidential historian, tim neftali and lynn sweet. lynn, to you first. the white house has denied those comments were about president trump. but do you have any doubt who the former presidents were referencing? >> these former presidents know well the context -- the context that they're talking in. there's not much of a doubt that if they did not want to have their comments taken as a reference to trump, they would
not have said what they said the way they did, pamela. >> that's a fair point. or they would have clarified this as particular to donald trump. context, tim. is this normal for past presidents to criticize the current commander in chief? just how, was wha does this mean? >> it's happened in the past. dwight eisenhower issued a vailed criticism of john f. k kenne kennedy's domestic policies. george herbert walker bush criticized a little bit of bill clinton's foreign policy. the difference is this. you have both former presidents from both parties. who will continue to be partisan. george w. bush is campaigning for one gubernatorial candidate in virginia and barack obama is campaigning for the other one. so they haven't given up their interest in their respective parties, but they both have
basically said that the white house, they said carefully, the white house is no longer using presidential language. the white house should be uniting us. both didn't mention donald trump's name. they would have been inappropriate to do that. >> these were thinly veiled. >> they were saying our country should be moving beyond racism and shouldn't turn a back on global interaction. these are great broad concepts, but concepts that both obama and bush believe in. they are partisan. they have policy preferences that are different and they continue to be different sh but on these broad issue, they have a common idea. they actually share these ideas. and they talked about that. so that they're saying, they're speaking over the head of donald trump. talking to the american people and they're saying to the american people, don't forget those big ideas that actually unit eed us as democrats and republicans. engagement with the world and moving beyond racism.
>> globalism. just makes you wonder, bush had been has been very silent up until now. he hasn't really spoken out like this. why do you think now? >> well, because with the exception of a few comments his father made, his father was silent. and there's a sense that former presidents don't take on the incumbent. i think the fact that george w. bush said something is very significant. i don't know, but i have a feeling it may be connected to his sense that the current president is demeaning the office. don't forget, donald trump went after george w. bush and his family in the primaries, but that was in part because jeb was a candidate. >> and he didn't -- >> jeb is no longer a candidate. and the question is, are you going to show respect for the people who in the office before you? you may disagree with them, but they held a burden that only you
and they not understand. that's why we called it the president's club. there was a limit on what they were willing to aabout the predecessors. only a few have had this eck pees experience and president trump has decided to leave that aside, attack his predecessors and they are now stepping up and not attacking him back personally, but saying to the american people, there's a better way to unite the country. >> we expect the five past living presidents to show up. you can see people starting to gatt there in texas to raise money for those hurricane victims. lynn, there was a moment at the last white house press briefing that sent the chill through news rooms everywhere. the white house response to a reporter questioning claims made by chief of staff general john kelly. listen. >> if you want to get into a debate with a four-star marine general, i think that's something highly inappropriate.
>> your reaction. >> well, sarah sanders eventually rolled back from that statement, but what was highly inappropriate was saying to reporters that who they can and cannot ask questions of on the white house staff. chief of o staff kelly is a retired four-star general and thrust himself into a big debate this week by going out into the briefing room a few days ago and saying something that wasn't true. as he was trying to defend president trump as he was doing until he made a turn there where he brought in congresswoman wilson. and when he said something about her being at an event, saying something that she didn't say and there's videotape to prove it that subsequently came out, i don't think you say that somebody's off just off limits. i just wish sarah hadn't said it the way she did and i applaud that she did come back and issue a statement that said yes, it is
appropriate. i'm paraphrasing, to do questions. in the sense, a charity here. i want to give her a benefit of the doubt that maybe upon reflection, she realized you just don't invoke the military as a way to shield herself and any white house staffer from taking questions. >> and tim, in a interview with fox business news, president trump says general kelly was disgued that a congresswoman was listening to his call with a gold star family. let's listen to what he said here. >> he was so offended that a woman would be, that somebody would be listening to that call. he was, he actually couldn't believe it. actually, he said to me, sir, this is not acceptable. >> well, as we know, general kelly was lieni listen ining ine call. >> this is really hard thing. and my reaction is that as a person, first of all, is it's
really hard to watch two gold star families disagree. even indirect ly. i think it's just terribly sad. and i think that this was not a good week for our country. and i just feel badly about it. i feel badly for both families. the johnson family and the kelly family. and i just, i wish that our politics was not such that this kind of thing happens, i also have to say that it saddens me that general kelly, who deserves our understanding and gratitude and condolences, took this strange turn into talk iing abo something he thought had happened in 2015. 2011. >> 2015. >> regarding -- >> one other thing. it's so important for the white house to have their facts straight before they say something in this.
it was a false accusation to give the impression in any way that congresswoman wilson somehow elbowed her way into the phone call. long time family friend. she knew the soldier who died. she knew the family. she was in a car going to pick up the body of the slain soldier. she didn't do anything secretly. it should not, those words just are totally wrong to say in the context of how she got the call. so if we want to just take this whole controversy in a bite sized chunk, it is so important just to get the facts straight, which is very hard for president trump to do as we well know. >> well and youn, look, we all make mistakes. sometimes, our memories aren't so, aren't always right and this could have have been a situation where he just didn't have a good recollection. which is clear that may have been the case, but just come out and say, oh, let me make a correction here. that is something you don't really see the white house, so
often, you see them trying to make an untruth a truth and you said, tim, that this has not been a good week in washington. how does this compare to other weeks we've seen in the president's first year in office? >> refresh my memory about how this started by going back and listening to the press conference. the president's press conference with mitch mcconnell. which is where this started. the president was asked why have you not spoken publicly about the niger incident. >> by sarah murray. >> he wasn't asked why have you not called the families. maybe she said it. there was a little cross talking at the end. he then responds defensively. about not, about kaucalling families, then finds himself talking about his predecessor, going on the offensive, which is very much the characterist of our commander in chief. when he feels defensive, he goes
on offensive. then that led to understandably real indignation on the part of obama lieutenants and obama staffers and others who were saying that the president was going and attacking all his predecessors in regard to how they dealt with the fallen and the families of the fallen. i mean, that's, you just don't do that.ty for the commander in chief. we are thanking those families for the sacrifice of the rememb members of the family. it's about as important a responsibility as any for a commander in chief and for some reason, our president decided to go there. that's how it starteded. that was the dwing of the week and things got worse. >> wow wonder how the president looks at it as the week wraps up. tim, thank you very much. lynn, really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up on the saturday mystery surrounding the deadly ambush in niger, the body of one
of the u.s. soldiers killed found nearly a mile away from the scene. how did he get there? plus, new bombshell r revelations about bill o'reilly and the sexual harassment claims that cost him $32 million. why then did fox renew his contract? us. that's right. netflix on us. get 4 unlimited lines for just $40 bucks each. taxes and fees included. and now netflix included. so go ahead. binge on us. another reason why t-mobile is america's best unlimited network. (avo) if you'rand you've triedlly pain any number of laxatives, probiotics, and fiber, it could be wearing on you. tell your doctor what you've tried
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this is burial ceremony and final resting place for sergeant johnson. you saw his widow kissing his casket. he was 25 years old. he was killed this month when his unit was ambushed by isis in niger. four american soldiers were killed in that fire fight. two of them members of the army's special forces. so far, the pentagon has released little information about the events on october 4th when those four soldiers died in niger. officials have said that sergeant johnson somehow got separated from his team. he was recovered two days later about a mile from the site. let's get to john keirby. nearly your entire military rear, your job was to let the
public know what the facts were in cases like this. why did we know so little about this operation that killed four u.s. soldiers even though it's been 17 days since it happened? >> a couple of reasons. first, it speaks a little bit to the complexity of the mission itself and what happened and the sort of chaotic frenetic environment that this ambush caused. and the fact that the military themselves are still try lg to do to go to do the forensics here because the second reason is it's under investigation. that's not uncommon at all. naft, that's mandatory when you have a situation like this. you want to fully investigate it. and now that it is being investigateded, they're not going to be talking about it at all. that said, i do think that the pentagon should have been nor forthcoming about some basics. much, much sooner. it happened on the 4th of october. i can understand they waited a couple of days because they didn't have sergeant johnson back, but after that, i think they could have been more
forthcoming. just yesterday as a matter of fact, africa command put out a statement providing context about the mission in niger and what it is and what we're doing. and that kind of context would have been important for the public to know a couple of weeks ago. >> right because a lot of people didn't even know we had u.s. service members in niger. so that was important context and you mentioned the fbi. what do they bring to the b table in an vest xwainvestigati this? >> not uncommon for them to get involved in something like this when it has counterterrorism aspects to it. they'll bring a lot of expertise this this, also a lot of great forensic analysis and intelligence as well. why they don't get involved in every investigation, something like this makes a lot of sense. the other thing is ta people need to remember that the counterterrorism effort in africa is truly an interagency effort and it's been like that for several years, the fbi has
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we saw them in libya. and we know they'd be reaching into sub saharan africa, which is why we have troops there. we're not surprised by this. but i think the senator hit on something important and that is that we're going probably have to deal with an expansive presence for them in that part of the world and i agree that we shouldn't be surpriseded to see the u.s. military perhaps stepping up efforts against isis and al qaeda affiliates there in that part of africa. >> it shows you what happened there with those four service members being killed. how risky these operations are are and hopefully, some lessons were learned. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. >> we'll be right back. hey, man. oh! nice man cave! nacho? [ train whistle blows ] what?! -stop it! -mm-hmm. we've been saving a lot of money ever since we switched to progressive.
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$32 million. that's how much cnn has learned former fox news host, bill o'reilly, settled a sexual harassment claim for. it was brought by a fox news legal analyst who was a regular on his show. "the new york times" reports the settlement came in january, just one month before fox resigned o rile ly for a $25 million a year contract. he was eventually fired in april. cnn correspondent jean casarez and bill carter join us now to discu discuss. what is o'reilly saying about this? >> there is a response and we want to show it to everybody. it says quote, in its latest diatribe against bill o'reilly, the times printed leaked
information provided by anonymous sources that is out of context, false, defamatory and obviously designed to embarrass bill o'reilly and keep him from competing in the marketplace. now, "the new york times" is is reporting, pam, that it was january of this year that fox news was actually privy to the threat of a lawsuit by one of their legal analysts, liz wheel. bill o'reilly said this is private, personal. i will handle it. it will be confidential. he did. by middle of january, the deal was done. fox news was given a document by bill o'reilly's attorney alleging that something happened. there was a deal. there was a settle. . but there was no monetary amount according to the times who spoke with bill o'reilly's attorney of how much it was. so fox news didn't know it was $32 million. as the times is reporting. but there's also an affidavit of liz wheeler that came out, liz
wheel, came out january 17th. she signed it. she said she and bill o'reilly had been friends for over 18 years. we have worked together. we have socialized together. on occasion, i have given him legal advice and although i did have claimed against him, i now have no claims against him at all. >> so this was after the settlement. >> correct. >> bill, to you. o'reilly and his team say as you heard jean say, this is part of a smear campaign to keep him from getting another job. do you see him getting another prime time gig? >> i mean, you know, who knows in this world because he has a lot of followers and obviously, you know, he's going to make a very big case if this is fake, but it's really interesting he's saying you know, it's false and defamatory. he's not saying what's false. not threatening to sue "the new york times" because i know he wouldn't because discovery would probably kill on this.
but the fact he spent $32 million to settle a case, which by the way, he did not dispute, seems to me to be the evidence you need that somebody really bad went on between he and this woman and the fact she doesn't make the claim after receiving $32 million should hardly be surprising to anybody. >> and how damming is this to fox in your view that fox you know, had a new contract for him just shortly after that? >> exactly. remember, fox was also in the middle of the roger ales scandal. they would all of these other cases of sexual harassment they were settling for what looks now $100 million and now here they are with their biggest star and he comes and tells them, well, i have this sexual harass m thing going on, but i'll set it it and they let him settle it and don't ask for and turn around and after him a $25 million a year contract after that.
i don't see how it's not cucupa. they had made with other women he had sexual harassment charges with. >> fox is saying it put him out in the moral clause ch saying if there were more allegations, they could fire him. >> that's an excellent point. they say in their statement, 21st century fox, that in fact, with this new contract that they had, even more than your geneicl morals clause. in regard to you and your impropriety, that we will be able to fire you. they say that's what they relied on to let him go later that year. >> fascinating. bill, i'm going to play an sper view that o'reilly gave nbc news last month and get your reaction to it on the other end. >> okay. >> my conscious is clear. what i have done is organized a
legal team to get the truth to the american people. nobody's a perfect person. but i can go to sleep at night very well knowing that i never mistreated anyone on my watch in 42 years. >> it just, you know, makes you wonder. you can't help it to wonder how you can, how a confidential, $32 million sexual harassment settlement, you'd have a clear conscious. it's hard to know. you can't look at exactly what the details are because it's private. >> but remember, not the only case. this guy had another what, six or seven cases brought against him that he had to settle. for him to say his conscious is clear, he obviously doesn't have a conscious. he's going all these things saying i'm not mistreating these women. they're misinterpreting what i'm toing. he had the previous $9 million
settlement with a woman who had taped him making lewd phone calls. this is not a guy who can possibly walk away from this without somebody saying this is an outrageous bunch of behavior. if he was innocent, why wouldn't he stand up and fight for it. listen, who pays $32 million because i want to make sure nobody really uses this as a smear campaign. that's an insane about of money, really. >> $32 million. thank you so much. and coming up on this saturday, the president gives himself a ten out of ten on the puerto rico hurricane response. but with power and clean water still hard to come by, what do people on the ground think? >> president trump says that the government deserves a ten grade for the performance.
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one month after hurricane maria hit puerto rico, president trump is giving his administration a ten out of ten for its storm response. but here's the thing. roughly 3 million americans still don't have power there. roughly 1 million don't have clean water and for many, it seems like the storm just hit yesterday for the level of destruction still plaguing the island. we have more from san juan where there's also a concern about schools and when they will be able to reopen. >> reporter: many of the students on this island, most u.s. citizen, haven't been in the classroom since september 18th. almost five weeks now. many of the students i spoke to, they're not just bored tonight. they are frustrated, they are growing more anxious by the day and waiting to get back into a classroom again. so they can essentially try to distract themselves from the
reality of living on this devastated island. this schoolyard should be bustling with activity at the height of the fall semester. not today. not since hurricane maria threatened and later devastated puerto rico. like the island's other 1100 public schools, the doors to this high school have been closed since september 18th. today, the only signs of life are on the other end of the campus. room 204 serves as a temporary home. this 52-year-old grandmother of 11 tells me one woman to another, she lost her house and everything in it. her grandson led us up the mountain side to show us what's left of his family's homes. there isn't much else he can do these days,like most stupts on this island, a return to class my provide a welcome escape from reality.
he says the first thing he'll do when he gets back to class is hug his friends. he doesn't know that will be as long as displaced families like his using schools as shelter, classes can't resume. the department of education announced friday that some schools would reopen on tuesday, but some teaches say that won't happen here. we have a lot of work to do, says a drama teacher, anxious to welcome her high schoolers back to class. while there is opt michigan k, there is no realtime line for when students will walk down these halls again. even if families are resettled, there are still plenty of obstacles. classrooms are are in disrepair, roads are nearly impassable because of mudslides and there is still no running water in the town, leaving families to struggle to survive.
she says she is staying strong and wants to see her grandchildren back in a classroom. just not this one. and tonight, at least 74 public schools throughout puerto rico are still being used as shelters like you just saw there. as for the schools that are expected to open come tuesday, most are on the west end and here in the city of san juan. >> all right. thank you for bringing us the latest there from puerto rico. such an important story to continue to follow. and coming up, a new report on president trump's net worth and it may pupt putt a dent in this famous boast. >> i'm really rich. i'll share that next time. by the way, i'm not even saying that in a brag, that's the kind of mind set. that's the kind of thinking you need for this country. t-mobile's unlimited now includes netflix on us. that's right. netflix on us.
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i'm really rich. i'm much richer than anybody ever dreamed. nobody knows how rich i am. >> according to forbes magazine, his net worth has taken a hit. he is still rich, he was estimated at 3.7 billion. the change means he's fallen to rank 248th. the same day the list came out, trump tweeted this. so much fake news being put in dying magazines and newspapers, fiction writers. all right, swroining me now is
forbes editor to caulk b about this. it seems like the president doesn't like to see him dropping on list. what's behind it? why has his net worth fallen? >> the majority of donald trump's net worth is wrapped up in new york city real estate. so although he has tentacles in licensing deals and all of that all over the world, most of it still is midtown manhattan real estate. that marker right now is struggling. that's a
it's a big endeavor but at the end we feel confident with the number. >> you have to figure out how much he owns, how much of a stake he has in each venture and how much it's worth, right? >> that's exactly it. but you've got to figure out what the assets are, how much of each asset he owns and what the assets are worth. >> the fact that he didn't release his tax returns didn't hinder the process? >> i'd love to see them but we can still do a very thorough valuation even without the tax returns. what matters most for net worth is what the assets are. >> i understand at forbes you have something called the trump rule that has been around for several decades. explain. >> this is sort of an old joke. it's not something we actually do. decades ago we used to joke when donald trump would tell us what he's worth you divide it by three and then you end up about where he is. we always joke about this and say how ridiculous it is.
you'll remember at his campaign he said i'm worth $10 billion in all caps. now we have him at $3.1 billion. it turns out to be not very different than this old rule we stabbed back in the 80s. >> that's actually fascinating. by the way, that's still a lot of money. >> i said this earlier at the beginning of the segment about dying magazines on the day your story came out. have you had any direct calls from the white house? >> we had a call from trump organization shortly after it came out. they wanted to know a couple of particulars about how we had come to calculations on two specific buildings. it just showed that they really do care about this. they were asking very minute details but nothing directly from the white house. we have of course heard from other trump supporters and people who are against trump and depending on -- >> do you they think --
[ inaudible ]. >> they didn't express any disagreement with the number. they just wanted to reiterate how they got to a certain one. we had spent a lot of time going through everything with them before the numbers came out. they just wanted to be clear. >> many cog up, jeanne moos on the trail of two renoirs. trump has one but is it a fake? a nutritious formula with no artificial flavors. made specifically for indoor cats. purina cat chow. nutrition to build better lives.
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the president's trump tower apartment, visible in the background as melania did an interview. >> what annoys him? >> stupidity. >> reporter: that's what he was righting the book, "the art of being the donald," the renoir was hanging in trump's plane. >> i asked him about the painting and donald said that's an original renoir. i said no, it's not, donald. i said, donald, it's not. i grew up in chicago. that renoir is called two sisters on a terrace and it's hanging on a wall at the art institute of chicago. >> reporter: the art institute confirms it's been there since it was dove natnated by this ar collector in 1963. now the president's renoir is being referenced in quotes being called a fake in various languages, the butt of jokes. his is signed by wrenwar.
before the election, two sisters on a terrace hovered over a "60 minutes" interview. >> he's allowed to make a mistake every once in a while. the master huckster can never admit he was swindled. >> he believes his own lies. >> remember the bogus magazine discovered on the wall of trump as golf clubs. someone tweeted about the painting. was it hanging next to his fake "time" magazine cover? it is now. somebody's been framed! jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and we're live in the cnn newsroom on this saturday. i'm pamela brown in for ana
cabrera. you're looking at live pictures from texas a&m where just a few minutes from now we'll witness a meeting of the most exclusive club in the world. any minute now, all five living former presidents will be on one stage to raise money for hurricane relief. you just saw barbara bush there in the video. president trump will be noticeably absent, but he did record a video message that will play during the concert. >> as we begin to rebuild, some of america's finest public servants are spearheading the one america appeal. through this effort all five living former presidents are playing a tremendous role in helping our fellow citizens recover. to presidents jimmy carter, george h.w. bush, bill clinton, george w. bush and barack obama, melania and i want to express our deep gratitude for your tremendous st