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>> he believes his own lies. >> reporter: remember the bogus magazine discovered on the walls of trump golf clubs? someone tweeted about the painting. was it hanging next to his fake "time" cover? it is now! somebody has been framed! jeanne moos, cnn, new york! isis attack that killed four u.s. soldiers. >> we need to find out why a routine mission turned deadly. >> the pentagon should have been more forthcoming about some basics, much, much sooner. >> a rare joint appearance by five members of the most exclusive club in the world. >> it's very unusual to have five former presidents together. >> melania and i want to express our deep gratitude for your tremendous assistance. >> what we have also seen is the spirit of america at its best. $32 million. it is a staggering sum of money.
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>> my conscience is clear. i can go to sleep at night very well knowing i never mistreated anyone. good morning, everyone. i'm diane gallagher in for christi paul today. >> i'm martin savidge in for victor blackwell. we are begin this morning with the family of a u.s. soldier killed in combat overseas saying good-bye. so painful to look at. this was the burial ceremony on saturday for army sergeant la david johnson. >> just 25 years old. killed earlier this month when his unit was ambushed by isis. three other american soldiers killed in that firefight.
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two of them members of the army special forces, the green berets. >> as sergeant johnson is laid to rest, the white house is still consumed with the public arguments over president trump's private condolence call to his family. >> now this morning, a new report over how the white house tried to contain a brewing firestorm after president trump claimed he contacted virtually every gold star game this year. >> joining me now are military analyst and former command of all u.s. army troops in europe, retired general mark hertling and political anchor errol louis and washington bureau chief for the chicago sun times, lynn sweet. and former republican congressman from georgia and former trump campaign senior adviser, jack kingston. good morning to you all. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> so let me start with, first, this report that comes from roll call magazine and it details e-mails of an exchange between the white house and the pentagon. shortly after president trump
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said this on tuesday. >> i write letters and i also call. now, sometimes, you know, if you had a tragic event with -- it's very difficult to be able to do that. but i have called -- i believe everybody. but certainly i'll use the word virtually everybody. >> reporter: john kol connolly said the following yesterday. >> what it shows even as the president was make the statement, his staff was not aware that it probably was not accurate and they needed -- and there was a suggestion in the emails the reason they needed to gather this information so the president could start making some calls, presumably to make what was an untrue statement on tuesday morning true statement as soon as possible. that seems to be the implication from it. >> it could be that. it can also be they are double-checking to make sure. but let me ask you, lieutenant general, your reaction to this
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report. >> in any kind of situation where you have the death of a service member, martin, what i found is most organizations have both processes and empathy. the key thing with process, the white house has a military office that can do anything that president directs them to do in terms of the system approach to relationships with the military. one of the things is how you actually process the information regarding those who have sacrificed throughout the world in combat or peace keeping operations. in the past, that has been a relatively smooth process. you just get the information. it normally comes with the name of the soldier or the service member, their family members, the date of death, the date of birth. perhaps some things associated with that. even as a division manager when i was in combat i had those same kind of processes and worked and told my staff you would have me all of that information within
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12 hours of the death of one of our service members. >> you get the complication here, sir, that is maybe the president has not done what he said he did. >> well, i didn't want to go there but it certainly seems that way. it certainly seems that he was saying, once again, something that he had done that, in fact, had not been accomplished. and that is unfortunate. but the other key piece of this, martin, is the empathy associated with knowing that these, as a commander, that these young men and women serve under your command. as the chief, no matter what process you set up, whether it's a phone call, a letter, a dinner sometime with all of the family, the gold star family members, there should be a process in place, in my view, but that is up to each president and each commander to do. there is no rule that says what you have to do, but it's certainly a nice gesture for someone who asks these members to go to war. >> let me bring a few others into this conversation. errol, the atlantic spoke with three gold star families and
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they said they had not heard from the president but had letters suddenly delivered last week. how does this come across? >> well, it comes across as a pattern, part of a pattern that we have seen from the very beginning. this is what we get when we have a businessman as president, a businessman who is in the habit, the deep-seeded decades long habit of sort of what in business you call puffering. i'm the biggest, i'm the best, i've done more than anybody else. i've covered virtually all of what i was supposed to do. and then people come running behind him to sort of make it seem as if it were true. we have seen that in politics. around august they started doing that around the white house. we have done more in eight months be the prior administration did in eight years. they applied it to all kinds of things which it wasn't even remotely true and his aides had to come running from behind to make it seem as it it ffs tr--
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it was true. now we see it applied in the sensitive in the military. very, very unfortunate. >> this perhaps goes to the heart of being commander in chief. jack, what do you make of this? >> let me say this, martin. i've dealt with this on a smaller basis. i had the honor of representing installations in southeast georgia and i have written probably several hundred letters of myself to grieving family members. i would vacillate. i would say, i need it to be handwritten because a form letter looks too superficial or i need to call them or i need to attend an event in their name. as much as the general said you do want to have a process, you go back and forth on how is the fastest way to do it and what is the best way and what is the
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most effective way? as we all know, when you express grief, sometimes you don't have the perfect words and sometimes you say something like he knew what he was getting into. i've talked to a lot of soldiers about that and they say that is exactly right. that is actually a compliment. but you could certainly see how people would say, no that was not taken the right way. >> i get that. i'm in full agreement with you. but then the fix to that is the president calling back and saying, you know, i'm sorry. maybe it was misconstrued or maybe my words were not the right ones. i'm sorry. >> let me add this real quickly, martin. a staff sergeant dustin wright, i know that family. i dealt with the family a little bit when his body was at dover. the president actually called mr. wright's father and spoke to him for 20 minutes. the son, the brother, will, told me the president listened for 17 of those 20 minutes. it wasn't, were you pleased with it? because i don't think those kind of calls should be evaluated.
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they want to know that it happened and i can say the president was very tasteful to the wright family. i don't know about the other three but that family, i actually know. >> i got to shift gears and i got to bring lynn in. so "the washington post" and axius are reporting that the president could spend a lot of his own money. i think they put it at $430 million for legal team and white house staff. some have concerns about this and i'm wondering if you do as well. >> well, the rules allow this spending from the -- for the republican national committee to pay legal bills also for, you know, the president and don jr. through its legal and compliance fund. >> the president directly can do it? >> no. the republican national committee has been paying some legal bills through its legal and compliance fund. so i think it is not unheard of
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in some other areas where staff is being investigated for congressman perhaps to pay legal fees for a staffer under investigation. but whether or not -- if you're asking me. the ethics and we are not talking about what a law may be, but certainly it has a strained appearance when somebody is paying the legal bills for somebody whose testimony might be injurious to you. let's balance that. you have a very wealthy president for whom $480,000 is not a lot of money and you have staffers and white house who might be facing a crippling legal bill if it even hits close to a hundred thousand an even half that. so of all the ethical issues facing this white house, i would say this is one, but i don't think it's the priority or driving one because the main issue that these staffers have maybe a financial problem in
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paying these bills, that the president can help, they will have a massive legal problem if they do not tell the truth when they talk to the fbi and whatever agents are interviewing them. >> lynn, we are going to have to leave it there. it shows that the president is loyal to his staff as well. thank you, everyone. you got up very early to talk about some very difficult subjects an we appreciate all of your insight. senate majority leader leader mitch mcconnell will join jake tapper later on "state of the union" at 9:00 a.m. here on cnn. why would fox news give bill o'reilly a raise and renew his contract a month after he settled a sexual harassment suit for a reported $32 million? we will have that conversation coming up next. plus, the president is laying out his reasoning for using twitter. coming up, why he compares it to a rapid response typewriter. a "the new york times" columnist says that a former
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brian stelter joins me now. nox knows about the settlement and renewed his contract. do you expect any additional fallout about this newest bombshell. >> they say they knew about the settlement but not price tag 32 million which is eye popping number. i think three impacts to this brand-new news story. o'reilly is trying to find a new tv job and his people this is this is a plot to stop them from getting a new job. number two. fox is under federal investigation by the justice department. this is new o'reilly revelation play into that? and fox is trying to buy sky in britain and they are worried about the scandals in america
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and this is yet another controversy for them to consider. >> gretchen karlsscarlson will with you "reliable sources" coming up. she released this statement in response to the report. look. i know we have considered this after past allegations, but can we expect a culture shift maybe this time around at fox? >> the company says it's trying to change the culture improving the hr department and making other changes behind the scenes, but every time it tries to say it's turned to the corner, you hear about something like this. $32 million is by far the highest settlement we we know about involving o'reilly. think about the harvey weinstein settlement. the settlements he was paying to women were $50 or a hundred,000. this story begs the question why
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is o'reilly playing that much of money to keep her quiet? we will never know because as a result of that settlement, she is staying quiet. >> bill o'reilly is been on tv networks all over in the past recent days, pushing his new book. when he was asked about the previous allegations, he has maintained his innocence. take a listen to this. >> my conscious is clear. what i have done is organized a legal team to get to the truth. nobody is a perfect person by i can go to sleep at night very well, knowing that i never mistreated anyone on my watch in 42 years. >> and we read the statement earlier. his team denies this new report from "the times" and says that the leaks are coming from fox trying to keep him away from any sort of competing networks or
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stations. is there any credence to this or is he just trying to stay face? >> i don't think it's 100% outlandish. there are certainly folks in the tv business that don't want to see o'reilly back on tv. come on. we know the $32 million is accurate. i've seen the affidavit that elise will signed. we don't know why he is willing to pay that much money. maybe an innocent man decided to pay $32 million to stop this from being public? maybe. >> reliable sources is coming up toot at 11:00 a.m. on kcnn. a rare joint appearance of the five former american president. you'll hear what they have to say coming up next. what is behind the report that jimmy carter would like to lend some advice to trump about north korea. how are you?
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welcome back. i'm dine gallagher in for christi paul. >> i'm martin savidge in for victor blackwell. >> this is for a good cause. five former leaders of the free world all sharing the stadium faith for much-needed hurricane relief. >> the person who got to be there was our own kaylee h hartung. >> reporter: five former living presidents working together to praise the american spirit. >> all of us on this stage here tonight could not be prouder of the response of americans. >> reporter: and asked for continued support for hurricane recovery efforts. >> there is still work to be done in texas and in florida and our friends in puerto rico and the american virgin islands have only begun to dig their way out
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of what could still be a calamitous disaster but could be a new beginning. >> the four joined george h.w. bush at texas university, home to his presidential library for a benefit concert. >> i speak for the folks right here when i say we really admire and love george h.w. bush. >> reporter: an evening originally planned to be the 20th anniversary celebration of bush 41's library, transformed into an opportunity for the former presidents to help hurricane victims. >> let's all work together and make america still a greater volunteer nation. >> reporter: after hurricane harvey devastated texas in september, the five former presidents led by the bushes created a charity. as the hurricane season continued so did outreach to
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florida and the caribbean. the work was praised by tremendous by president trump in a two-minute video message that was welcomed with applause. >> in the aftermath of these terrible storms, the american people have done what we do best. we came together, we helped one another and, through it all, we remained resilient. >> reporter: it's unclear if the current president was invited to attend. a white house official says trump was honored to be given an opportunity to participate in relief and recovery efforts. >> thank you so much for coming together and putting all of your differences aside. it is so incredible. >> reporter: among the musical guests, lady gaga, who announced a partnership with one america appeal to create a mental health program for hurricane victims. >> so the response to these disasters must encompass the survivors' mental and emotional needs, as well as their physical well-being.
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>> reporter: a historic night in response to devastation and inspiration of historic proportions. in college station, texas, kaylee hartung, cnn. one of those former presidents you just saw that benefit concert would like to work with the current president. at least according to "the new york times." it's jimmy carter, a democrat, and one donald trump has ridiculed on twitter as one of the worst presidents in history. columnist maureen dowd writes that carter said he would accept a diplomatic mission from trump and the white house if he could be sent to negotiate a solution to the north korea standoff. an interesting idea. here to talk more about that is errol louis, the cnn political commentator and jack kingston and former senior adviser to the trump campaign. jack, let me start with you. it's kind of a two-part question. what do you think of the idea overall? and then what do you think the president will think of the
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idea? >> i think it's intriguing and send a great signal to our allies we trying to do everything even including another president from another party. i think a great signal in it. the downside is how do you control a former president -- they are all extreme type a personalities, particularly at 93 years old, and jimmy carter could come back with what he considers a great deal and it's against the philosophy of the trump administration. then you've just dug a hole deeper if you've created a new controversy. so i think that would be something that you'd have to go up front in it up front and say, okay, you can't agree to anything that i have not agreed to. >> what do you think the president is going to think of this idea? >> i think he is going to be interested in it. i think often, being from georgia, across the river from us, was governor nikki haley who is one of his key advisers right
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nou. now. he can bring in people who have been critical to him and listen to them. i think it's smart for him to sit down and at least talk to jimmy carter about this. >> errol, i couldn't help but notice the way the article was wring it had a lot of tongue in cheek. >> yeah. >> are we supposed to take this seriously? >> well, no. i think we should take it seriously for the reasons that jack just outlined. i had the honor of talking with president carter a couple of different times, and he generates a real sort of sense of wisdom and humility. you can't put anything over on him. he has not lost his step as far as what he believes and what he understands about the nature of the diplomacy and how to handle some of these kinds of issues. i think it would be great for everybody to maybe benefit a little bit from him. we have invested a lot of money in james earl carter to make him a top level public servant,
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which he has done all of his life and i think crazy not to take advantage of it. i think the trump administration which is very much raring to go and certainly overstated, if anything, its intent or its ability to use military force might really benefit from somebody who has got a different approach to it. >> right. bring fresh air into the room here. i want to bring up a full screen that we have got, because carter said that he has talked to lieutenant general h.r. mcmaster, trump's security adviser. he spoke about how this idea has been at least raised indirectly to the administration. i'm just wondering, though, the problem is just as jack pointed out, errol, what if jimmy carter comes back with some kind of a deal and then you're in a bind? >> that is the thing about sending a special envoy is that it's kind of official, but it's kind of not, you know? he doesn't have any ability to make any kind of binding commitment.
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it is in the nature when we have seen george mitch do this in -- for example in ireland. you know? you send somebody who can get some conversations going and then quietly maybe try and arrange some potential deals. i grew up watching henry kissinger do this on an almost weekly basis throughout the middle east. it can be done. >> do you think the president is going to mull this over and perhaps come back and say whether he would do it publicly or privately with president carter? >> knowing him he would do it publicly. to me the big question would be, now, president carter, we did not really like that 1994 agreement you were involved in and which you endorsed. would up admit it fell short? if he is going to insist that is a great agreement, then that might be a nonstarter right there. i think if they could go in there, as errol said, a great opportunity for more conversation and looking at it
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with some fresh eyes and saying, you know, we have a historic relationship between the president and the grandfather and the father, president carter, that is, and can that be valuable in dealing with kim jong-un? if it could be, what do we have to lose? >> all right. i don't know what i was thinking. of course, the president would do it very publicly! jack and errol, thank you both. great to talk to you both. >> thank you. president trump says that he will soon declare an opioid epidemic and call it a national emergency. joining us next is a doctor at the forefront of the fight against this deadly drug. he claims dozens of -- how this doctor's work is helping to save lives. that is coming up after the break. hi. i'm the one clocking in... when you're clocking out. sensing your every move and automatically adjusting to help you stay effortlessly comfortable. there.
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the president says that he will declare the opioid epidemic a national emergency probably this week. still unclear when it is going to happen. but it would be a monumental move in the fight against a drug that kills 91 americans every single day. that according to the cdc. 91. more than two months have spased since president first promised to sign this dhareclaration. he says it's a big step and takes time. >> we will have a major announcement probably next week on the drug crisis and on the opioid massive problem, and i want to get that absolutely right. >> a national emergency declaration would make fighting the crisis a top national
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priority and authorize funds for federal agencies and for states that are fighting this opioid academic and could bolster resources and provide more treatment option for opioid users. joining me is dr. drummond. doctor, first, the cdc said that opioid overdose deaths have quadrupled, 91 people a day. how does it get to this pointsoo quickly? >> this didn't happen overnight. this is a perfect storm of many things that came together including in the late 1990s to treat pain as a fifth vital sign. there were the advent of oxycontin and aggressive marketing campaigns and physicians being graded in terms of patient satisfaction. even when there is a doubt, someone is continuing to have the pain they say they are
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having, there is the sort of benefit of the doubt so that patients do receive prescription opioids. then some unscrupulous physicians, unfortunately, who are prescribing these for profit called pill mills. and then when law enforcement finally were able to shut down these pill mills, people turned to heroin which is two to three times more potent than morphine and now we have on the market fentanyl, which is being sold. this is really the killer which is 50 to a hundred times more potent than morphine. all of the fentanyl analogs out there which caused an overdose of 26 deaths in huntington, virginia, last year in a four-hour period. >> let's talk about your home state. the majority of drug overdose deaths involves opioids. in west virginia it is one of the states due to the highest in overdoses. i know you started back with president obama talking about
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this. >> that's right. president obama came in october 2015 to talk about the opioid epidemic. a lot has happened. we have been able to get in a lock zone out on the street. i think it's a little bit of a misperception to think of this only the opioid epidemic. this is an epidemic of not only overdoses but of hepatitis c which is number one infectious killer in the united states and scott county, indiana, we had an outbreak of hiv where 200 people got hiv in one year. >> is isn't just the overdoses? there are residual effect baus of needle sharing and things like that we are dealing with other health issues because of this opioid crisis? >> not only health issues but also social issues like children being abandoned. we have neonatal absence
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syndrome where children are addicted and going through withdrawal and it's heart wrenching to watch that and burning our our law enforcement officials who have compassion fatigue and burn-out and needles in public spaces. it's more than just one thing. it's many epidemics. i like to call it an epidemic of epidemics. >> we could spend the entire morning talking about this, the whole hour. i want to get to really quickly as we end here. what is the best approach to ending this? how can we reduce these overdoses and do we have the resources? what kind of resources would help solve this issue or at least curtail it some? >> well, you're right. we could talk about this a long time. but we need tens of billions of dollars to address this. not hundreds of millions. and there are many effective things like harm reduction programs which include syringe service programs where we have been very effective. more in a lock zone programs where we have been able to have 220 reversals at least that we
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know of. we have sent 50 people in recovery. in terms of pain management is really important point. we have to go behind the cdc opioid prescribie ining guideli and look at pain management more so we can reimburse and talk and train physicians about using other modality that we know work yoga and tai chi and even meditati meditation. a lot of things we can bring to bear to address this opioid epidemic is which much more expansive than just an opioid epidemic. >> dr. michael brumage, thank you very much. we will be waiting for that national declaration. >> thank you. a major tornado tore through oklahoma city, bringing strong winds and hail. up next, we will have the details of the severe weather threat that still continues today. first, in this week's "staying well," we take a look
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we are following severe weather in oklahoma. a tornado tore through norman, downing power lines and a destroying a casino's roof. >> let's bring in allison chinchar. i understand the threat of severe weather is not over.
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>> no, it's not. it's still ongoing at this hour. we've had severe thunderstorm warnings. even swarngs off and on throughout the morning. this system spawned over 75 severe weather reports. and now it will continue to push east, taking with it that threat for severe weather. although at least today, it's going to be limited a little bit farther south, but that does include the city of new orleans. everybody else has the chance for some pretty heavy rainfall, about 4 to 6 inches widespread. an area that could use the rain would be california. right now, we have 16 active large fires. that's an increase from yesterday. thanks to the santa ana winds, which will be taking the hot, dry air from inland, pushing it towards the coast, we have an evaluated and critical fire threat. we've also been talking about the temperatures. they could be looking at near record highs, both monday and tuesday, excessive heat warnings have been in place for cities like los angeles. this is a problem for the firefighters, because they've had to contend with so many fires in just the past month alone. when you take a look at the top
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on this week's "parts unknown," anthony bourdain explains pittsburgh, where new industries are mixing up city's food scene. >> since the decline of big steel in the post-war years leading up to the '60s and beyond, pittsburgh fell on some hard times. but they say things are turn in around.
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high-tech, medical research, a lot of really good chefs opening very cool restaurants. microbrewers. they say things are turning around. >> all right. anthony bourdain's "parts unknown" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. if you didn't know, you know now, the astros beat the yankees last night, game seven. and houston has booked their tickets to the world series. our andy scholes, what do you know, made it there in time. >> reporter: you know what, good morning, guys. i was actually at the game last night. i'm a native houstonian. and i haven't been this happy about one of my teams ins a very long time. minute maid park rocking last night. incredible atmosphere. the astros' star, jose altube
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coming through once again in the clutch. he hit a solo home run, then charlie morton and lance mccullers combining to shut out the yankees as the stros win game seven by a total of 4-0. the party was on in the field and then the champagne party after the game. justin verlander, your mvp. and afterwards, he spoke about winning it for the city of houston. >> there's a lot of people that are really hurt right now in this city, and, you know, it gives the city something to rally around. it gives people something to cheer for, that otherwise may not have a lot to be hopeful for. >> reporter: and guys, we're here in austin covering the big formula one race at the circuit of the meramericas and i could be just three hours away from my hometown and there be a game seven and not go see my stros
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play. after work here, i hopped in my car, drove to houston, got to minute maid park for the game and was best astros game i've ever seen in my life. it was definitely a great time and great for the city of houston after what they went through with hurricane harvey to have something like this celebrate. and go astros, as that go on to face the dodgers in the world series, which gets going on tuesday. that's me right there, guys, pulling back into austin at 2:00 a.m. eastern. >> all right. andy, i know you're a bit of a homer here, but what is your prediction for the world series. what do we think? >> oh, man, i don't want to make predictions, but i kind of feel it's our year. you know, sports ill straight aheaded, years ago, predicted that the astros were going to win the 2017 world series. maybe they were on to something. >> we are so thrilled for our friends down in houston. it's been a very difficult year, so it's great, great news. >> thank you, andy. go, stros, for you. and thank you all of you for starting your morning with us. thanks for spending your weekend
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with "new day." "inside politics" with john king is going to start right now. the nine-month mark and a top priority finally advances, but can the president seal the deal? >> let's give our country the best christmas present of all. massive tax relief. >> reporter: plus, the ex-presidents help hurricane victims after two make a rare leap into the debate about the current president. >> we've seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. >> reporter: and a powerful defense of the boss, but chief of staff john kelly flunks the fact check. >> so that's a lie. how dare he. >>

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