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. good morning, everyone. i'm john berman. >> i'm poppy harlow in new york. we begin this morning with the anguish of a military widow, myesha johnson, tells the country she still doesn't know how the love of her life, 25-year-old army sergeant la david johnson, was killed this month in niger with this three
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comrades and says far from being comforted by the president his condolence call upset her and made her cry. listen. >> the questions that i have that i need answered is, i want to know why it took them 48 hours to find my husband, why couldn't i see my husband. every time i asked to see my husband, they wouldn't let me. >> what did they tell you? >> they're telling me that he's in a severe wrap, like, i won't be able to see him. i need to see him, so i will know that that is my husband. i don't know nothing. they won't show me a finger, a hand. i know my husband's body from head to toe. and they won't let me see anything. i don't know what's in that box. it could be anything for all i know. but i need to see my husband. i haven't seen him since he came home.
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>> what have they told you about what happened in africa? >> i really don't know the answers either because when they came to my house, they just told me that it was a massive gunfire and my husband, as of october 4th, was missing. they didn't know his whereabouts. they didn't know where he was. or where to find him. and a couple days later is when they told me that he went from missing to killed in action. >> there are also a lot of questions about the phone call you received from president trump. i know you were in a car to the airport. tell us what happened next. >> we was literally on the airplane strip trying to get out. he called master sergeant neil's phone. i asked the master sergeant neil to put his phone on speaker so
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my aunt and uncle could hear, as well. and he goes on to saying his statement as, what he said was -- >> the president? >> yes, the president, said that he knew what he signed up for. but it hurts anyways. and i was -- it made me cry because i was very angry at the tone of his voice and how he said it. he couldn't remember my husband's name. the only way he remembered my husband's name is because he told me, he had my husband's report in front of him. and that's when he actually said, la david. i heard him stumbling on trying to remember my husband's name. and that was hurting me the most, because if my husband is out here fighting for our country and he risks his life for our country, why can't you remember his name? and that's what made me upset
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and cry even more, because my husband was an awesome soldier. >> the president said that the congresswoman was lying about the phone call. >> whatever miss wilson said was not fabricated. what she said was 100% correct. >> is there anything you would like to say to the president now? >> no. i don't -- no, i don't have nothing to say to him. >> she doesn't have anything to say to the president. but this morning, already, the president has responded. let's go to the white house, cnn's kaitlan cole lilins is th. what's the president saying? >> immediately after this interview aired the president got on twitter to dispute what the widow had said. she said it was a very hurtful phone call, where the president struggled to remember her husband's name. and the president got on twitter and said that he had a very respectful conversation with the widow of sergeant la david johnson, and spoke his name from the beginning without hesitation. so the president is directly
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disputing what this widow said during that interview this morning where she also said congresswoman frederica wilson, the democratic congresswoman friends with the family and in the car during this phone call, she said that her account of what happened was entirely accurate. now we know that that's something the president has also disputed, saying that she fabricated what he had said, and over the weekend, we've really seen this feud between the president and this congresswoman escalate. he's called her wacky multiple times and she said she believes this attack in niger is his administration's version of benghazi, a reference to the 2012 attack in libya. but what we do know, john and poppy, right now the white house has no plans to reach back out to the johnson family, but we heard myesha johnson say this morning she doesn't have any words left for the president anyways. >> kaitlan, thank you very much. let us know if you hear anything else from white house. we appreciate it. let's go to the pentagon now
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where ryan brown is. ryan, this is where hopefully some answers are going to start coming from, not only for myesha johnson and all the families that lost those four soldiers in niger, but, you know, members on both sides of the aisle in congress. clearly have questions. >> that's right, poppy. there's a lot of questions remaining unanswered and the united states africa command which oversees u.s. troops in the region is conducting an investigation to try to determine exactly what happened to sergeant johnson and the three other soldiers who were killed in that isis ambush in niger. now, there's multiple reports indicating different events. one thing that we're being told by officials that sergeant johnson's body was found about a mile from the rest of his unit, so separated during this gun battle. these are the kind of things, how that happened, that the military will be looking at specifically, but more broadly, what the u.s. military is doing in niger and wests africa, what these missions are, that's something members of congress
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are beginning to ask questions about with several high-profile senators including senator lindsey graham and minority leader senator chuck schumer asking -- expressing surprise as to the size of the u.s. military presence there. listen. >> i can say this to the families, they were there to defend america, they were there to help allies. i didn't know there was a thousand troops in niger. john mccain is right to tell the military because this is an endless war with without boundaries, no limitation on time of geography, you to tell us more. >> you heard senator graham saying we didn't know we had 1,000 troops in niger, did you? >> no, i did not. >> the pentagon says it regularly briefs members of congress on u.s. military operations in africa and president trump in june sent a letter to congress saying that there were about 1,000 u.s. troops in niger and neighboring cameroon, but members of congress saying they want more briefings and potentially even hearings on what the u.s.
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military is doing in west africa and specifically what happened in that ambush that left four u.s. soldiers dead. john and poppy. >> all right. ryan browne at the pentagon, thanks so much. joining us now senior political analyst and the senior editor of "the atlantic" ron brown stein and ru tired army lieutenant general mark hurt ling. i want to put up the statement from the president that he posted on twitter after the heart-wrenching interview from myesha johnson, he said i had a very respectful conversation with the widow of sergeant la david johnson and spoke his name from the beginning without hesitation. here's the thing. that's not what she said. that's not how she feels this morning. that might be the most important thing. so what does the white house and what does the president get out of disputing this account now? >> look, once again, i will defer to general hertling on this, seems we are so deep into unchartered waters we can no longer see the shore to have a president actively in a conflict with a gold star family, again,
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i mean i do not believe this is publicly -- something we have seen before. it goes to kind of the dna, first of all, of this president, whoever criticizes him in any way no matter what their circumstance, he will fight back and attack the messenger rather than, you know, rather than the message. but this does go to -- and we've talked about this before, john and poppy -- the underlying ambivalence that has been there from the gypping for part of what we describe for president trump's base. about a fifth and a quarter of people who voted for him last november said they doubt head had the qualifications or the temperament to succeed as president. they voted for other reasons, wanted the change, didn't like hillary clinton, and every time he engages in one of these unseemly and unprecedented conflicts, which also go to questions about his voracity, i think he deepens those doubts and it is those doubts that i think is the biggest headwind he faces in public opinion even more than the agenda. >> general, our reporting from
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the white house is expect nothing further from the president on this one in terms of communication with the family. so if that is the case, and if this is all that is left, him disputing the widow's own feelings, and essentially calling her a liar, that's what he's doing with this statement, how can that be? >> it's not a good look, poppy. here's what i will tell you, i learned a lot from my wife one time when we were extended in combat and my commanding general sent me back to germany to assuage all the concerns of the spouses. my wife grabbed me at the airport and she said the most important thing, don't talk about the mission and don't talk about what soldiers do. validate the spouses' feelings. that's what the president hasn't done. he has not validated a gold star widow's feelings. that's unfortunate. it's not a good look for a commander in chief, for any commander, to kind of get in these kind of fights with a grieving widow. >> may not be a political thing, it might be a human thing, i'm sorry you left this conversation
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feeling that way, i'm sorry that you're hurt right now. general, there are also very important questions about the status of the investigation right now. questions coming from myesha johnson. what does it say to you, general, she doesn't have more answers, that she hasn't been allowed to see her husband's body? >> yeah. i think what they're doing, and i experienced this as well, you have to conduct the investigation before you give fact because you don't want to go back to the family saying we made a mistake, here's what happened. it's good to have the investigation completed and that's what africon is doing. it will take a while to make sure they get all the details. they have the fbi looking at forensics and different aspects of this fight. so you don't want to give complete information, but here's what i will tell you, the casualty assistance officer and investigating officers will go to mrs. johnson after the investigation is complete and they will lay it all out for her in a very private engagement. that's important. that will come, now that,
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because i've had to do that a couple times with soldiers' families that were sacrificing their lives in combat. >> ron, let's switch to answers that everyone needs and that, you know, congress doesn't have. you heard just in the reporting that senator lindsey graham, senator chuck schumer had no idea there were 1,000 u.s. service members in niger. now, we had a republican senator on last hour who said they should have known. they should have known that. they don't know that. so what are the bigger questions that you have here? >> right. i think look, i think the investigation is inevitably going to go well beyond the military itself and no more than the republican congress certainly did not allow the obama state department and pentagon to be the last word on what happened in benghazi, you know, enormous amounts of energy and time and money spent on excavating every aspect of that, and i think there are many questions -- i mean, you know, she said not only did she not see her husband's body but she
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does not know how he died or exactly what he was doing and i think john mccain is the leading edge of this. i think there will be many in congress who will want to know a lot more about what happened here and i think as we've said before, whatever else a gold star family is owed by their commander in chief, they are owed an explanation of what happened to their loved one. as is the country. so i do think that with the president of the benghazi investigation behind them, the question really becomes to some extent the ball is in the court of the republican congress. are they going to do their oversight job and demand a better understanding of exactly what happened here in the immediate fire fight, but in the larger sense what those troops are doing there in the first place. >> gentle, ron brown stein used the "b" word there -- >> if i can chime in. this is critically important. this is surprising to me that we would have senators say they don't know what's going on in africa for a couple reasons. the army briefs this every single day in the pentagon, exactly what's going on in africa. there are 90 -- about 92,000 --
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i'm sorry 9200 soldiers conducting different operations in africa. there are four named missions. i could name them for you like we have enduring freedom or atlantic resolve, four named missions going in africa and western africa and central and eastern africa and we have been conducting these operations for quite a few years. so i really kind of recoiled when i heard senator graham say he didn't know anything about it, because that's the job of the senate armed services committee to know what's going on in africa and this is not even classified information. this is open source stuff. so if you want to get into the weeds, certainly you to go behind the green door and really get the classified information. but this is open source, unclassified, information where not only in africa but in other parts of the world. there are 179,000 soldiers just u.s. army soldiers, deployed in 140 countries today, john. so i think this is an issue that
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we're just not aware of how many places our u.s. military is. >> it's interesting, we had congressman steve russle from oklahoma, former colonel russell from the u.s. army who said those members who are claiming they did not know are not well read and are being disingenuous. >> i would agree. >> there you go. it's interesting to get the perspective from the military side there. ron brownstein in closing quickly, the "b" word, benghazi, is there a comparison here? >> i don't know. in terms of the operation. but i do think there's a comparison in the terms of the republican congress put enormous effort into understanding exactly what happened there and i think that that effort certainly would apply as a standard here. this exists on two different levels. there's the entire debate we're having about the military mission in what we know and don't know but the other level about the way the president comports himself and unending conflicts and feuds and cultural
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conflicts with often people of color. he has engaged in since taking office to the point where you cannot say it's coincidence these things keep unfolding one after the other. it is clearly something he sees value in having, i think. now, fighting with a gold star family does not seem like a normal political move, but i think that the evidence is that the president believes it is in his interest to constantly be engaged in these kinds of conflicts and americans have to decide whether they feel that is what they want to see out of the white house because the odds are they're going to continue seeing it. >> ron brownstein, general hertling, thank you both very much. so ahead for us, the women of the congressional black caucus are demanding an apology from the president's chief of staff, general kelly, for what they call, quote, blatant lies about congresswoman frederica wilson. we will speak with a member ahead. >> plus a big meeting set to take place on capitol hill. the president will lunch with senate republicans. could tensions among the president and his party dominate
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so the senate could vote as early as today on hurricane relief package, one that would give cash strapped puerto rico much needed help. this is one month after maria hit, 18% of the island has power right now, only 18%, but three quarters now have drinking water, which is good news. 53% of the cell towers are now working. >> now puerto rico faces a
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potentially big health crisis caused by the huge amount of debris and refuse that has piled up since the hurricane hit. polo sandoval is live in puerto rico. this is one of the concerns, polo, could there be a big outbreak because of this? what are you seeing? >> yeah. well that certainly is a concern here too. think about it this garbage has been sitting along people's streets here for over a month now and when you look at the numbers that are given to us by one local environmentalist it certainly raises concerns because he believes the garbage that puerto rico typically produces in about two to three years was produced in less than a month because of hurricane maria. >> reporter: this ruckus is music, charlie dough min gas' ears. >> they arrived. he's literally been counting the
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days waiting for cleanup crews to reach his town. >> counting the calendar, checking every day, 34 days. >> reporter: all over this u.s. territory, piles of debris sits on sidewalks weeks after maria. this rodent invested mosquito breeding ground a reminder of pieces of home that were lost and all that needs to be addressed before his community can rebuild. >> i get sick. >> reporter: seeing his and the rest of the neighbors' belongings rotting in the sun is taking a toll. >> in a month you're surrounded by trash, so it's not easy to see that. >> reporter: though the trash is being trucked away, another health crisis can be looming. >> we worry a huge mess before maria and now the mess is becoming really [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: known all over the island as a prominent environmental activist worries
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there is little to no room left in puerto rico's landfills for maria's debris. a year before maria the puerto rican government agreed to close 12 of the island's 29 landfills because they were beyond capacity, based on epa findings. the problem goes beyond where to put maria's mess. it's also what's in it. for years, the epa has been concerned about dangerous substances from the island's landfills seeping into the soil, potentially contaminating ground water. >> this is a disaster and this is in the making in the sense that we are going to pay for this not necessarily now, but after. >> reporter: he worries more pollutants can be coming in a rush to clean up his island. >> i have to tell you there does seem to be this effort to try to limit any potential toxic materials from making it to some of these landfills. while we were watching this massive cleanup effort under way
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yesterday, one local contractor told me they are essentially surveying all of the debris and trying to remove some of the potentially toxic stuff like paint and certain electronics. this contractor telling me, poppy and john, that the epa then comes in to try to dispose of that properly, but with tons of garbage, you really do have to wonder, if some of this is still going to eventually make it to the landfill. >> polo sandoval in san juan, thank you for the reporting. president trump pushing for what he calls the biggest tax cut ever in history. but what's actually in it and can republicans in congress get behind it? needles. essential for vinyl, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once daily pill
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it is all trump on deck to push for tax cuts. the president goes to capitol hill tomorrow and ivanka will hold a town hall in pennsylvania. >> that is correct. will this added white house presence deliver the president a win for his agenda? sunlen serfaty live on the hill this morning. good morning, sunlen. ivanka trump pushing for this tax credit for parents, paid leave, et cetera, but do they have the votes on this thing overall? >> that is the big question up here this week, john and poppy. good morning to you. the president's personal involvement in addition to family members really underscoring the political imperative that republicans in the white house know that is facing them, that they have got to get this done. they've got to get this passed, potentially by the end of the year. the president hopped on that conference call with house republicans over the weekend where he delivered a very direct message saying we have to get tax reform passed this week --
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this year or else we potentially face a blood bath next year in the midterm elections. he's headed up here to the hill on tuesday to meet with senate republicans, but there is no absence of political pressure that they're creating to get this done but it definitely should be noted that the policy here is still being crafted. there is still no firm tax bill written and there still is not a consensus on the specific within the republican party. we have seen president trump ramp up the pressure pushing back over the weekend on the democratic talking point that they believe this tax reform proposal as it stands right now would hurt the middle class. here's president trump over the weekend. >> it is tax reform also but i call it tax cuts. it will be the biggest cuts ever in the history of this country. i will say the fact that health care is so difficult makes the taxes easier. the republicans want to get it done. it's a tremendous tax cut.
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especially for the middle class and for business. >> now the republicans up here work on the details there's one proposal that had been floated, that republicans were considering a cap on contributions to 401(k). president trump weighing in this morning over twitter vowing that will not happen. he says, quote, there will be no change to your 401(k). this has always been a great and popular middle class tax break that works and it stays. but again all of this underscoring that there is still many details to be worked out. the president for this idea, a lot of details to be worked out. >> thank you very much for that. joining us now is republican senator john hoben of north dakota. thank you for being here. nice to have you live from bismarck. you're going to love with the president. good to have you. you will talk about taxes and a lot i'm sure. axios is reporting republican leaders in congress may add in
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that top bracket once again, the 39.6%, for americans making a million dollars or more. could you support that? >> well, you know, if it's necessary -- we'll have to see what happens. you know, there's still a lot of details to be worked out and so we'll see. and poppy, i just to tell you, in my earpiece, everything i say is coming back at me so it's hard to hear you guys. >> i hear that. it happens to us. we will fix it. it's fixed. go ahead and answer that question. >> like i said, if necessarily, we have to see the whole plan. what we want to do is provide tax relief focused on the middle class not just tax relief so they keep more of their take home pay, but tax that is pro growth, getting the economy growing, that creates higher wages and income so the people are helped both by the lower taxes but also a higher income and wages.
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>> not ruling out that you would support a tax bracket of 39% for people making more than a million dollars right now. what about the idea of this being revenue neutral right now. there are estimates that this tax cut in so far as we know what's in it, could add $1.5 trillion to the national debt. do you have a comfort level with that? >> well, first, john, we believe that it's actually going to create revenue because you're going to grow the economy and you have to look at what you do whether called static scoring or dynamic scoring. on a static scoring model it's about $1.5 trillion that would need to be created through growth. if you look at a 2.6% growth rate, which is lower than the growth rate we've had since world war ii, about 3.3%, we generate well more than that $1.5 trillion. again, with growth we think it will help shrink the debt and deficit for a ten-year scoring period. >> a point of reference, the reagan tax cut the cbo estimates it did not add revenue. the bush tax cut, george w. bush
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estimates it did not add revenue. so, you know, whether it's static or dynamic scoring, those estimates didn't work out that way doesn't mean it can't ever, but history shows it hasn't. >> but it's an important question. why do you think it would be different this time? >> if you look at the growth rate we're using, 2.6%, the average since world war ii has been 3.3%. at 2.6% we generate $1.8 trillion, well more than the $1.5 trillion cost, so we think we're being conservative in how we approach it if we get the growth rate we expect over 3%. remember just with the regulatory relief we've done the current rate of the economy is 3.1%. we would have more money to put towards deficit reduction. >> let's switch gears here. as you know, myesha johnson, the widow of the fallen soldier la david johnson in niger, spoke this morning and she reiterated how many questions she has, she doesn't have answers from this
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administration on how her husband died, why his body was left for 48 hours, why she hasn't been able to see or identify her husband yet. do you have questions for the administration on this as well? >> well, first, we need to honor the fallen soldier, sergeant johnson, and his family, and tell them how much we appreciate his sacrifice and sacrifice of the family and for all our men and women in uniform and their family. how much we appreciate them and honor them. i understand there's some questions hopefully there can be more answers and also as you know, we're looking into you know the military effort in niger and we'll continue to do that and get more facts. >> senator, you know, it's a delicate question here but myesha johnson was on tv this morning and clearly still hurt by the conversation she had with the president. our reporting from the white house is, is that the president has no intention to reach out to her again, a phone call or l
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letter or an aide saying we're sorry you feel that this wasn't the conversation that you wanted to have at that time. do you think that someone ought to just touch base with her and say hey we're sorry you feel this way. forget the politics of this but a human level, you shouldn't be hurt by a conversation like this. >> i believe the president was trying to reach out to her, to myesha and the family. i think there will be -- we have an ongoing effort through our military and others through the military groups the support groups to help our gold star families and support them and that's ongoing and will be ongoing for the johnson family and all our families. the thing we have to keep in mind here we are all grateful for the sacrifice of our soldiers, men and women in uniform, and particularly when they pay the ultimate sacrifice for them and for their families. and that's the key, that we all recognize that and honor them. >> we want those families to know we all feel that way and to
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be left feeling that they have the support of the country's leaders and the people. senator john hoben, thanks so much. sorry for the technical issues at the beginning but you hear your booming baritone voice like we do, thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> enjoy lunch tomorrow. let us know what comes of it. >> all right. members of the congressional black caucus demanding chief of staff john kelly apologize to representative frederica wilson. will they get that apology. stick around.
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this morning the women of the congressional black caucus are calling for an apology from white house chief of staff general john kelly. >> in a statement they say his comments about representative frederica wilson were
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reprehensible. he said last week being at a speech where representative wilson took credit for something she didn't do, grandstanding essentially what the general accused her of. video of the speech contradict's general kelly's account really and in spirit and in their statement the congressional black caucus women continued, congresswoman's credibility should not be undermined by such blatant lies. one of the members of the caucus, barbara lee of california, thanks so much for being with us. what exactly do you want to hear from general kelly? >> well first, of course, our hearts and our prayers go out to mrs. johnson at the terrible loss of sergeant johnson as well as all of the family members who lost their loved ones. we want to make sure that general kelly apologizes to congresswoman frederica wilson. she is a woman of integrity, she's a woman of represent,
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she's brilliant, she has a long history of service to children and their families, and she has mentored so many young african american boys and males and young men. and i just have to say, what he said and what he -- how he -- general kelly conducted himself against this woman in terms of trying to malign her character, is reprehensible and he needs to apologize and needs to do it right away. >> i will say she gave about a nine-minute speech at the dedication of that building in florida, almost four minutes of that speech were spent, you know, giving praise to the two fallen fbi agents that the building was eventually named after. something else we want to get you on and that is the sort of extraordinary sentiment we heard this morning from myesha johnson, the widow of fallen sergeant la david johnson, here's what she said. >> i heard him stumbling on
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trying to remember my husband's name. and that is what hurt me the most because if my husband is out here fighting for our country, and he risks his life for our country, why can't you remember his name. >> so the president responded to that, just minutes later, and here's what the president writes. let's pull it on the screen for you. i had a very respectful conversation with the widow of sergeant la david johnson and spoke his name from the beginning without hesitation. so he's saying what she said didn't happen. what's your response. >> mrs. johnson is a widow in mourning and i believe her. i believe congresswoman wilson. we need to reach out. the president needs to stop it. this is a moment of fwreef, it's a moment of mourning. we need a full investigation first of all. we need to understand what took place, how it took place.
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i've been calling for a new authorization to use force and a debate on the floor, so these investigations must go forward. it is just horrible, it's sad, it's unbelievable that the commander in chief could perform and act in this way. general kelly needs to offer an apology right away and we need to move forward with this investigation and the president unfortunately has shown who he is once again and it's tragic. >> on the subject of who he is, if you watch the speech that representative wilson gave in 2015 it is not how general kelly described it. he was wrong in his description. why was he wrong? what were his motivations. one of the things that representative wilson has suggested some of his comments were racist and she told "the new york times" that white house itself is full of white supremacists. that's a serious charge. do you agree with that? >> we don't know what his motivations were.
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we don't know why he won't apologize. that's the point. he needs to apologize. when you look at this white house, they put steve bannon and steve miller and ghorka in. when you look at the president's response on so many issues, you know, i think that right now, what we are saying as members of the congressional black caucus, 16, 17, 18 of us who are women, we're saying that general kelly must apologize to congresswoman wilson because she told the truth she's respected, she's a woman of integrity and we cannot allow this white house and general kelly to malign her character. >> to be clear, two of those three men you just mention ready no longer working at the white house, sebastian ghorka, steve bannon, stephen miller is. the charge to john's question the charge that the congresswoman leveled in this "new york times" interview, quote, the white house itself is full of white supremacists, a very serious charge, do you agree with her? >> what congresswoman wilson has
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said and what she believes reflects what many of us see as the policies of this white house. when you look at what they're doing in terms of rolling back civil and human rights, when you look at the attacks on african-americans and other people of color, when you look at their immigration policy, when you look at their backwards policies as itterrible, terrible initiatives of jeff sessions now, trying to target as they say quote black extreme ises when you look at the fbi and what's taken place.
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today opening statements begin in the trial of an undocumented immigrant accused of shooting and killing a woman in san francisco. >> this case became the flashpoint in the 2016 presidential campaign. dan simon has the story. >> reporter: the bullet struck her as she took a summer stroll with her father. >> this is evil. evil personified. >> reporter: it entered her back and pierced kate steinle's heart. a 32-year-old with a big smile
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and contagious laugh. >> kate was an amazing soul. everyone that met kate knew she was very special. [ speaking foreign language ] >> i am not guilty. >> reporter: more than two years later her alleged killer deported to mexico five times is now going to trial in a case that helped bring the term sanctuary city to the forefront. >> my administration is launching a nationwide crackdown on sanctuary cities. >> reporter: president trump and conservatives have used the case as a rallying cry. the bill known as kate's law, passed by the house but hung up in the senate would enhance penalties for deported criminals who illegally re-enter the u.s. kate's father testifying in congress. >> the u.s. has suffered a self-inflicted wound in the murder of our daughter by the hand of a person that should have never been on the streets of this country. >> reporter: 54-year-old jose garcia was a seven-time
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convicted felon and would have been deported a sixth time but san francisco a sanctuary city does not honor requests and let him go. dewar ta who is homeless found the gun wrapped in a t-shirt admitted to the shooting but claims it was an accident. defense experts claiming the bullet ricocheted off the ground. >> this is not the way you try to shoot somebody. you can't ricochet bullets off surfaces and try to hit somebody. you aim the gun at the person and shoot them. >> reporter: the prosecution charging him with second-degree murder contends it was no accident. now it's up to a jury to decide. in a case that will once again reignite the volatile debate over the country's immigration laws and sanctuary cities. dan simon, cnn, san francisco. >> dan simon, thank you for that. we will stay on that trial as it gets under way. the widow of a fallen u.s. soldier says she still has no idea how her husband was killed or why he was left for 48 hours. her interview you will hear next.
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