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three workers compare the treatment of black workers to jim crow, while a female engineer says she was fired for suing over gender discrimination. tesla is just the latest company to have workers allege discrimination. tesla did tell cnn it takes all complaints seriously but added that there has never been a single proven case of discrimination against the company. not one. >> all right. thanks. >> corporal culture, right? >> in so many ways. >> thanks for joining us. >> "new day" with the poetic chris cuomo right now. a data firm reached out to julian assange asking about hillary clinton's e-mails. >> there was a clear connection between the trump campaign and wikileaks. >> it is almost laughably false.
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>> colluding with russia is a story that does not ever go away. hillary clinton totally denied this. total phony. >> this idea that it is a fake dossier, that's just not true. >> the uranium is sell to russia, that is watergate, modern age. >> of all the things we talked about, this has more teeth. this gives president trump the ability to muddy the waters on russia. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> all right. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your "new day". it's thursday, october 26th, 6:00 in new york. growing connections between possible connections between the trump campaign and wikileaks. sources tell cnn, a data analytics company working for the trump campaign did seek access to thousands of hillary
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clinton's e-mails she kept on this private serve isser while secretary on of state. meantime, president trump slaming hillary clinton and the democrats for denying that they knew of an effort to dig up dirt on him after it was revealed they helped fund this type of research. a source tells cnn clinton did not know about the dossier but was disappointed the dossier wasn't made public before the election. >> all of this as top senate republicans are asking why trhe trump administration is holding up sanctions on russia. it was signed into law by the president. why the delay on implementing them? and it's a big day for historians and conspiracy theorists alike. thousands of unclassified documents on on the jfk assassination will be released today.
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>> the head of cambridge analytica contacted julian assange to see if he had obtained personal he mails from hillary clinton's personal serve her. chief executive alexander nicks reached out and said the request was rejected. he sent an he mail to mercer saying he mailed assange. no one from the trump campaign was copied. but it is is the closest known link between the trump campaign and wikileaks. u.s. intelligence has said were stole issen by russia is and handed over to wikileaks through an intermediary. the trump campaign responded to the report by distancing
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themselves from cambridge stating once trump secured the nomination in 2016, one of the most important decisions we made was to partner with the republican national committee on data analytics. we as a campaign made the choice to rely on the voter data of the republican national committee to help elect president donald trump. any claims that voter data from any other source played a key role in the victory are false. alis alisyn? >> cnn uncovered a few details that corroborate that? >> based on filings, after trump won the nomination, he started a series is of payments totally some $5.9 million. so it's clear that there was more of a relationship there than that was conveyed in that statement. and jared kushner, who headed up
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one of the data operations, also told "forbes" magazine in november that after the president won the nomination they kept both data operations going simultaneously and a lot of information was shared between them. and by doing that we could scale to a pretty good operation. >> ah, i see. your reporting refutes their statement. >> it shows there is holes in it. shimon, thank you very much. another brick in such a wall here. president trump lashing out at the democrats because it was revealed the dnc and clinton campaign did help fund research for the dossier against him. calling it a disgrace, saying it's a very is sad commentary on the politics of this country. meanwhile, his campaign seems to have been doing the same kind of thing. joe johns live at the white house with more. joe? >> reporter: chris, good morning. new information in the russia
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investigation. a return to a familiar pattern here at the white house. the trump administration faced with what appears to be a new piece of the puzzle about how far they would go to get dirt on on hillary clinton. the president focusing on how far the hillary clinton would go to get dirt on him. >> don't forget, hillary clinton totally denied this. she didn't know anything. she knew nothing. all of a sudden i found out. >> reporter: president trump attempting to shift the narrative away from the russian investigation and onto hillary clinton. blasting her campaign's involvement in helping to fund the now famous dossier of allegations of trump and russia. >> i think it's very sad what they have done with this fake dossier. it was made up. and i understand they paid a tremendous amount of money. >> reporter: mr. trump insisting it is fake despite the fact that parts of it have been corroborated by the intelligence community. a source familiar with the
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matter tells cnn that clinton was not personally aware of the dossier until buzzfeed published the document earlier this year, adding she was disappointed the research was not made blacklick before she lost the election. the dossier was first bank rolled during the primaries. >> wonder who that might be? i think i know. i'll let them find out. >> reporter: the president weighing in on the investigation launched by house republicans this week into the obama-era sale of a uranium mining company to russia while clinton was secretary on of state. >> well, i think the uranium sale to russia and the way it was done so underhanded with tremendous amounts of money being passed. i actually think that is watergate modern age. >> reporter: russia nuclear officials sent money to the clinton foundation at the same
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time. the justice department has tkpeufrpb given a former fbi informant a green light to testify about the detail. president trump also insisting the party is united citing his meeting with senate republicans earlier this week as proof. >> i called it a love fest. maybe it was a love fest. standing ovations. great unity. >> reporter: president trump blaming the media for negative impressions that people may have of him. >> i think the press makes me more uncivil than i am. i went to an ivy league college. i was a nice student. i did very well. i'm a very intelligent person. >> reporter: and, again, defending his phone call with the widow of sergeant la david johnson. >> i was really nice to her were. i respect her. i respect her family. i certainly respect la david,
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who by the way i called la david right from the beginning. just so you understand, they put a chart in front that says la david. it says la david johnson. i called him that right from the beginning. there was no hesitation. >> reporter: meantime, a big win in the courts. a federal judge ruling with the trump administration in a lawsuit were filed by 18 states attempting to get the federal government to pay subsidyings to insurance companies. alisyn, chris. >> good, joe. thank you very much for all the reporting. let's bring in our panel to analyze it. we have senior editor ron brownstein and gregory. great to he so both of you. let's start with the wikileaks stuff. the head of cambridge analytica contacted julian assange to see if there was a way to unearth hillary clinton's lost e-mails from her private server.
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they were certainly interested in those. >> it sounds like raiders of the lost ark. look, the data operation i think is a principle focus for investigators. because i think one of the questions everyone is wondering now that we have more information, probably not all the information we're going to have about the extent of russian use of social media to target vote issers in the u.s. is whether somebody sitting at a basement in moscow, 400 pounds on a bed, as donald trump said, knew where to target in michigan or what county to target in wisconsin. so that whole area is at the center of what a lot of people are wondering about. so this does not directly address that. >> right. >> but it does suggest the willingness to reach out to those -- >> it shows a relationship but in the opposite direction. not wikileaks -- not russia coming to the campaign, the
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campaign reaching out to wikileaks, who was connected to russia. >> right. well, either way, it shows a willingness to access that. >> the issue is whether or not they were willing to expose themselves to that kind of dynamic of nefarious activity. >> similar to the donald trump jr. meeting where. it's very similar. it is another indication they were willing to go down the road. if russia or rush is that-related sources had something that would benefit them, they were willing to access it. >> david, look, here's one of the problems with the new ways of reporting. i don't know if this is going to help shed light for people or now between what happened with fusion and the democrats or analytica and the trump folk and the republicans, no matter what investigators conclude,
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including special counsel, people won't believe it. that's the fear of this clouding of circumstances. now you have to understand politics. you have to understand how these campaigns work. you have to understand how they put their money into research, by whom, and how they shelter themselves from direct responsibility, which we are saog now. >> you have to remember there is a fact at the center of this. that is russia interfered with our election and was looking for all kinds of ways to manipulate results. there is no evidence that they did, in fact, manipulate results but they interfered. that is the conclusion of our intelligence agencies. there's evidence of this. now two campaigns are open for business trying to unearth that relationship in some fashion, right? so in the case of donald trump, they seemed to be open for business on what russia might be bringing to the table to damage
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hillary clinton. in this way at least, as ron said, they are open to unearthing lost e-mails and all the rest. i guess in both cases, you're trying to look for some pattern is that, you know, they both were engaged in what became central to our government's investigation, right? because the intelligence community looks at this dossier at some point and says we have to brief president-elect trump. at the end of this, we're still going to want to find on out the big question. is there any evidence that the trump campaign was doing business with the russians to further their goal of interfering in the election. we're not necessarily closer to that because we're still working on the outside of this congressional and mueller's investigation. >> the dossier is not why this investigation exists, right?
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it is is because russia hacked john podestpodesta's e-mails. it is russia that precipitated the entire investigation, not the inquiry into donald trump's relationship. >> it is interesting to see what was happening on the campaign trail the whole time this was going on. this was july 2016. that is when trump campaign started paying $5 million to this cambridge analytica to dig up dirt, data that they could. the only way i see dirt now is because we know they contacted julian assange. that was the same month president said this on the campaign trail. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.
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i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> as we have learned donald trump sometimes says things based on a germ of information that he has. when these things comes out of nowhere, it turns out that he has some information. he may not be representing it in the most accurate way, but that is the same time that they are reaching out to julian assange. >> and we know john podestpodes turn in the ball is coming. it raises a lot of questions. we will have to wait for special counsel rather than house and senate intelligence committees to really understand, to the extent we do ever fully understand, what happened. but, yes, it's obviously a red flag. >> but that flag is being obscured by another flag because of what we know about the other side you, david. you have the clinton campaign
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dnc funding fusion, which was looking into the research, paying for the research that wound up resulting in the dossier. clinton said i didn't know about the dossier but she wishes it had come out sooner. and it gives trump cover. but at the end of the day there is a material difference hillary clinton and president trump. he is the president of the united states. that's why what he did, what is involved there is of more concern to investigators and should be to the american people. not because it's more wrong or less wrong but because of his current state of power. >> right. politics -- see, that's what you were alluding to. and whether they're using data or they're using, you know, efforts to find out how a candidate might be compromised by a foreign power. it is is the foreign power's involvement that we have to keep coming back into. back in july when candidate trump invited russia to keep hacking away and uncover these lost e-mails, think about what he was asking. i remember being so shocked at
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the time that he would invite this act of but a foreign power and an enemy of the united states to interfere in our election. he was not taking seriously something very serious that was happening. that's why we have to keep coming back to this investigation to actually find out. the rest of it will be political warfare. look, trump has been working on the democrats for a long time, has gone after the intelligence community, has even raised questions about mueller. expect far more to come however this investigation advances. >> that's the bright line. collaboration with a foreign power is different than any opposition research any campaign does on the other. >> and we need to talk about the sanctions that were supposed to be already implemented. the deadline was october 1st. why haven't they been implemented? stand by. we will talk about those soon with you. this idea of demanding to know why the trump administration hasn't implemented the sanctions, we'll
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republicans, want to know why the trump administration is not implementing new russia sanctions. the deadline did pass several weeks ago. what is the context of the delay? trump preparing to meet face-to-face with russian president flood mere putin next month in vietnam. is this a a little bpolitical c? the white house we will say through source, this is bureaucracy. it takes time. >> look, the administration, signed this bill at 2:00 in the morning under lock and key. never been enthusiastic about this road. came into office, lest we forget, desiring to completely reset the relationship with russia. the ring does not want to be found in this case. he is not trying to make this work. and whether of course it is the state department in fact, i can't answer that. i can say one thing that is important here. people asked what does it matter that they have all criticized
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donald trump over recent weeks? you have the chairman of the senate armed services committee as two critics. if ever there was a way they could find ways to turn criticism into is action, it would be exactly on this sort of oversig oversight. >> how? >> various ways they can put pressure. not moving nominees until the sanctions are implemented. the house went to the court against president obama i believe on more than one occasion. a lot of options they have. it goes to this bigger question of the critics of president trump in the republican senate in particular the where they only have a two-seat majority. three, mccain, corker, jeff flake, are openly he estranged from him. they have leverage. this is one example of whether they are prepared to use it. >> say he is trying to wait until after his faface-to-face
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vlad here putin. >> you have two important members in mccain and corker, both who have large mega phones and have been critical. this is a huge blind spot for president trump and his foreign policy and national is security. why is he continuing to be so cozy to vladimir mute putin, th strong man in russia. how that relationship works bothers president trump. he wants to be the one to define what kind of relationship he actually has. all we have seen is this respect for him in the way he operates his country and his foreign policy. we haven't seen enough donald trump on america's behalf standing up to russia in its expansionism and some of its other abuses. they can say, well, companies need a lot of guidance in how to
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implement sanctions. it is moving as slowly as possible so trump can define how that actually looks and wants to take some credit for whatever the relationship is and how america puts its stamp on it. >> i think any president would be uneasy about the specificity of the legislation. the difference is when you had a republican congress and democratic president under president obama, they have pushed back be very hard and asserted their prerogative. that becomes the question here the way this is one of many examples at a time when you have had members of congress make extraordinary, really unprecedented accusations about the fitness of the president. do they use any of the leverage they actually have? is bob corker prepared to go beyond tweeting or interviewing about the president to put pressure on him on the areas where they disagree. >> you have a fundamental question about what the state of the were party is. and the president has a very different feeling than you, professor brown stein.
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here is what the president says about the state of his party's unity. >> i called it a love fest. it was almost a love fest. maybe it was a love fest. standing ovations. there is great unity. if you look at the democrats with bernie sanders and hillary clinton, that's a mess. >> one, i've missed this. we haven't heard an example of the president doing his three step going from a suggestion to a fact thing in a while. we haven't seen it since the campaign. i call it a love fest. maybe it was a love fest. it was a love fest. so great. he's convinced himself. that's a good thing. gregory, in terms of the reality of what's going on with this party, is it people who aren't going to run again who are on the outside who had some kind of crisis of conviction, or is it a window into a division that could hamper the president within his own? >> you know, the thing i have been siting with over the past day is, you know, the
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president -- part of how he became president is that he not only brought people outside the political process into it but he unified the republican party. republicans came home. that is part of why he won. if you look at this division, i'm attempted to think, well, maybe the party is not holding together so well. but the reality is that he is running against the sustainment still. even as he wants to work with it to get a tax cut done. he has enough leadership behind him. he has enough republicans that are still with him in congress. it is still a bit unusual for those to step out and say we are opposed to him not in ideological but in character. these people are not going to be there. in flake's situation because he was hurting and unlikely to win. i think this is emerging as donald trump's republican party. >> i would say yes in the short run except if you go back to
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american history, when you have a significant faction expressing discontent as you have here, eventually that voice finds expression. sooner or later somehow it finds expression, whether anticipate-slavery wigs and democrats or the southern republicans ostracized from fdr, lbj and eventually became republicans. somehow the fissure we are seeing will find a voice in the republican party. >> ron, david, thank you. >> what happened in the hours leading up to the deadly ambush in niger that left four u.s. soldiers dead and others injured? why did parts of the mission change? we have new details next.
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all right. look, the questions about what happened in niger haven't gone away. in fact, they have only grown. we have new details. military officials are telling cnn that the troops were gathering intel on a suspected terror leader who had a code name nailer road. that's when they came under fire. cnn is live in niger, the first u.s. network on the ground. you have to be where the story is if you're going to cover completely. david, thank you for being there. what do we know? >> reporter: good morning, chris. that's right. u.s. officials saying this group of american soldiers were trying to gather intel on what is a key member of this group and that he was involved in previous attacks in the region. particularly in neighboring pa keen that fasa.
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that points to the assets of allies in this region. coming into this region again after some time you really get a sense of the vastness of it, chris. and the difficulty of operating in this terrain.
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and if they're armed, you reduce that targeting cycle ask and it becomes very -- you know, very targetable intelligence you have. you can bring fire immediately. very precise fire to allow you to break contact, reassess the situation and get out of there because you're overwhelmed. those conditions were being worked. obviously the conditions were such that that was not a requirement before they launched this mission. so they were surprised. >> why not just give permission? what would be the hold up? >> you are there at the invitation of the niger government. so we have to get their their permission. we want to advise and assist.
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they said we don't want to harmony of the drones. let's assess the environment, get you set for the environment so you have the right kit, and then if we have to go to the next level of arming them, we will. that was the process. >> david, i know you're sticking around for us because obviously there are still many more questions including the most haunting one and that is of course what happened to sergeant la david johnson. do you have more on how they found his body a mile away? >> reporter: well, the niger authorities, alisyn, have been very quiet through this unfolding situation of trying to learn what exactly happened. that is partly because of the political sensitivity of this moment that while u.s. soldiers have been here for some time, of course, suddenly out in the american eye that they are actually here and doing this dangerous work. very little information coming
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from the government. i want to touch on one thing that general marks mentioned. the drone situation here is a politically accepts active one. it is is unclear whether any armed drone would have made any difference in this particular ambush. and the french forces here are very robust. they have armed drones and of course those jets scrambled to the scene. they were unable to engage because of the fear of friendly fire. they are trying to ramp up their response as we see a more reasonable terror threat rather than one aimed at specific countries. alisyn. >> can i pull on the thread that david just provided? >> yeah. >> the fact that the french have armed drones, the united states does not have armed drones, is a distinction we need to talk about. clearly french has a long historical presence in niger.
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they created this relationship that allows them to have armed drones. we don't have it. we want to play catchup in that regard. and i don't know what our relationship is with the french in order for us to bring that type of direct fire. >> the senate armed services committee has a briefing today. perhaps tomorrow we will know more. another foreign issue is watch is what is going on on with kim jong-un? will he make good on vowing to test a hydrogen bomb above ground? will ripley in north korea once again. a live report next.
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north korea amping up its threat to test a hydrogen bomb over the pacific ocean. the world should take the warning, quote, literally they tell will ripley. democrats stepping in. diplomacy breaking down. cnn is the only u.s. tv network
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in north korea. this is will ripley's 16th trip there. he joins us live from pyongyang. what is the word on the ground, will? >> reporter: it seems, chris, more likely than ever that north korea is going to go through with this threat that was made at the united nations general assembly last month to detonate a nuclear device over ground. it would be the first since china did it back in 1980. it may seem counter intuitive to all of us. why do something that could be so dangerous on so many levels? but the sense that i get is they believe very differently about nuclear weapons than we feel in the united states. they think nuclear weapons will keep the peace. that by proving to president trump, who they feel they just can't talk to, they think words won't work. they feel if they demonstrate by detonating a nuclear device above ground, they have the capability to strike the u.s.,
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that will provide peace and stability. that will stop the u.s. from, in their view, bullying them. the deep fear amongst many officials watching is that this action could trigger a series of events. a response from the united states from president trump that could go down an extremely dangerous and perhaps irreversible path. the possibility of an all out military escalation is perhaps quite a long time. the north korea ans also displayed to me swagger. they feel if there was a nuclear war with the united states, they feel they could not only survive it but perhaps emerge victorious. perhaps the most troubling thing told to me just today they feel if there was going to be a chance they would lose, they would try to take down as much of the world as they could with them. that is the mind-set here. if there is going to be a world
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without north korea, it is is not a world worth living in. but, again, this threat to detonate a nuclear device is not to trigger a war, they say, but in some bizarre way to keep the peace by definitely straighting to the trump administration their abilities. >> it is chilling stuff. it is so helpful to have you on the ground in pyongyang to give us this context. thank you so much for that reporting. president trump touting his intelligence, his memory and of course blaming the media for portraying him as uncivil. what do your media may havens think of all of this? we ask them next. pretty amazing.
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well, i think the press makes me more uncivil than i am. people don't understand. i went to an ivy league college. i was a nice student. i did very well. i'm a very intelligent person. you know, the fact is, i think -- i really believe -- i think the press creates a different image of donald trump
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than the real person. one of the great memories of all time -- >> all right. there is the president blaming the media for portraying him as uncivil as if what we do isn't just repeat his words to you, often words that he says to you directly, but the way. let's discuss what this is really about. we have brian settler and host of reliable sources and bill carter, cnn media analyst and author of "the war for late night when leno went early and television went crazy." gentlemen, good to have you here. this was not the headline for me. him blaming us, tell me something i don't know. but the way he tkraoeudescribes is is we are portraying him wrong. play the whole thing again. focus on how the president of the united states chooses to substantiate how he is being miss portrayed. >> well, i think the press makes
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me more uncivil than i am. people don't understand i went to an ivy league college, i was a nice student, i did very well, i'm a very intelligent person. you know, the fact is -- i think -- i really believe -- i think the press creates a different image of donald trump than the real -- the real person. one of the great memories of all time -- >> i'm waiting for his hand to come up and pull back this mask and it be alec baldwin holding an emmy in his hand. brian, him attacking the press, his base is going to believe it. they're going to believe it. that's his lot politically. we will see how it turns on out. a 70 plus-year-old man qualifying how he is being miss portrayed by describing himself as a college student. have you ever heard anything of that? >> some of the elements of president trump's bragging, exaggerating personality which were humorous during the
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imagine, mocked by us, they're not as funny a year later. >> that is still pretty funny. >> i take issue with that. >> there is an absurdity worth seizing on on because i think he undermines it. >> i think in a way he is being a little funny. but it speaks to the personality disorder he has. the guy does have a personality disorder. people don't go around saying i'm intelligent. they're not worried about it. >> i'm going rogue and i'm going to take the other side. because i do think in personal experience that in person donald trump is is more connected and less bombastic and is more civil. >> i agree with that. >> in person, one on one. >> yes. >> but on tv, he's the one who pumps up the bombastic. >> because he is performing.
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he is perfeorming. >> there is a media disconnect between the person you meet one on one and the person in the media. >> who does that? >> he's pumping himself up. he is facing something that is real but not taking responsibility for who is doing that different persona, which he does play a different persona on tv. >> some of that is magnified because he is watching so much television coverage of his presidency, not liking what he is seeing, lashing out. >> he said women look bad or their menstrual cycle and picks on people because they're not tall. he's doing it. it's not us doing it, he's doing it. >> of course. >> we have never had to take out of context, add to or take away
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statements from this particular president in order to create news. it is is all what he actually says, very often to you. >> it's on videotape. >> those of us -- i've been around the trump family and mr. trump most of my life. i am not surprised by anything that he says or does. i have never seen him be any different than what he is right now. alisyn has a different experience. >> yeah, i have. >> i have only been around him privately. he believes what he said. everything he just said, he believes. it is not an act. >> i agree with that. >> you should remember who he is in college and that is a great reflection on of why we are being unfair to him. >> he says he has one of the world's great memories. he constantly thinks he doesn't remember. he doesn't remember that from high school? there are a lot of things that prove -- >> he has always been a feel guy. donald trump, this is a compliment that he deserves, he has been known in the highest circles of new york politics for a man that could pick up the
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phone and call you when you're in a pinch and tell you how to get out of it, tell you how it's misunderstood, tell you where you have it wrong where people will be against something. even when he has no connection to that "body of evidencbody ofs uranium one, that is your watergate. this investigation is important because clinton motivated the whole thing. i'm going after wall street because they are coming after you. and i know because they're my friends and i can go after them. he's got great feel. >> i do think he's intelligent. he's very savvy. >> very savvy. >> if he is that savvy maybe he should come out of his safe space on fox news. he is only getting interviews to his friends on fox news. these interviews -- they're not interviews. we need a new term for what he is doing. >> the satisfy request man stays
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in the place that plays to his base. let him play it. >> i think brian is onto something. he has changed from the campaign. one thing that was so effective, he was so accessible. everybody could interview him. that has changed. thank you very much. up next, new information about possible connections between the trump campaign and wikileaks. we have the details next. we're on a mission to show drip coffee drinkers, it's time to wake up to keurig. wakey! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you? well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that's it. look how much coffee's in here? fresh coffee. so rich. i love it. that's why you should be a keurig man! full-bodied. are you sure you're describing the coffee and not me? do you wear this every day? everyday. i'd never take it off. are you ready to say goodbye to it? go! go! ta da! a terrarium. that's it. we brewed the love, right guys? (all) yes. when we love someone, we want to do right by them. what is this? (chuckling) but habits are hard to break. honey, where are the habaneros? and then there are things we can't control,
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