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establishment. establishment has become some sort of maligned term in all this. establishment by definition means you're there with some longevity to get things done. thanks so much for watching and follow us anytime at cnn online and through your connected devices and apps. we're live in the cnn newsroom. thank you for being here. news that someone will be arrested as part of the special counsel led by bob mueller. a federal grand jury in washington has formally approved charges in the investigation. while we still don't know who is being indicted sources tell us there's already a plan to take someone into custody as early as monday. the white house response tonight, no comment. and so far president trump who
has called the investigation a hoax and a witch-hunt hasn't said anything either. we have a team of analysts standing by. let's begin with someone who helped break this story. this indictment is sealed, so we don't know who has been charged, but do we know if it's more than one person? >> that's right. we don't know who was charged. we've had some indication there could potentially be more than one person, but we don't have any confirmation on that. we've reached out to various lawyers who are associated, representing clients being associated. and some have not gotten back to us. you're right, we don't know that much. and that is because this was a sealed indictment. these documents were filed with a court here in washington, d.c. notifying the court there are these charges.
but a judge has sealed them. and we're hoping at the earliest some of the charges will be unveiled when the judge unseals the records. >> thank you. also with us cnn presidential historian douglas brinkly. and joining us by phone cnn chief legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. jeffrey, i'll go to you first. when this first broke last night you said we can expect this investigation to go well into 2018. why do you think that? >> because white collar cases take a long time. they take a long time to get to trial. there's a lot of motion defenses. and unless there's a guilty plea it's extremely unlikely a case brought by robert mueller would go to perhaps 2018 and even the
middle part of the 2018. so any hope of a quick closure for the mueller investigation is certainly dashed with the news that his office indicted someone regardless of who the person is and regardless of what the charges are. >> interesting. michael, i know you have helped prosecute cases with mueller. you're familiar with how he operates. what can we expect to learn from these indictments? how much detail will there be? >> there'll be an indictment which will speak to the criminal activity mueller feels he can prove. and that will give us some sort of insight into where he may be going. if you brought charges against say hypothetically manafort and his business partner and private business dealings wrrkz then we'll know he believes that's within his mandate and he may therefore look at cohen or flynn or flynn's son to bring similar sort of charges. if he's brought charges to someone related to the
collusion/conspiracy charges then everyone who's name has appeared in this investigation may know they're potentially a subject of mueller's inquiry. >> come monday can we expect mueller to make a public statement? are we also going to see somebody taken to jail in handcuffs? >> well, mueller has a press secretary, and he may make a statement about the nature of the charges. mueller's not one to seek press. so i don't think they'll have a lengthy press conference if there's one at all. and then the question about surrender and arrest is an interesting one. some prosecutors like rudy guiliani liked to announce to press he was going to arrest somebody and there would be cameras there. and the person would be handcuffed even if it was a white collar perpetrator that
had no chance of fleeing. others turn themselves in and present them to the judge for reading of charges and ultimately for a plea, and like a trial in 2018, likely a plea agreement that resolves the whole matter. >> does mueller have an mo? >> yes, i think the question we're waiting to see here is this the beginning of the end of the trump pruz danes? we don't know where this is going to lead to. but certainly the fact that had president of the united states in your campaign staff, your business associates are all under investigation, and somebody is going to get the notice or a couple of people whether it's manafort or flynn on monday. this will go on for a good part of 2018. it's like watergate in the sense it's going to be week after week after week of new stories coming out. and i don't think anybody can
say that mueller hasn't done his investigation well because there's no leaks this weekend. i thought by tonight we would have a name or two in a leaky washington, but things have been kept quiet, and we're all going to have to wait and see on monday. >> and douglas, given this is not something unprecedented in terms of a special investigation counsel, other administrations have faced this in the past. but where we are at now with this grand jury indictment, what does that tell you? how worried should the white house be? >> i think extremely worried. you know, look, it's already been said but i think the question is are they looking at financial crimes, it's about paul manafort business dealings with russia, does this touch the president? i mentioned nixon before. but nixon had tapes in the white house which clearly indicted him and made him leave the white
house. this may be about financial shenanigans and warren harding in the truman gang. and there's questions about white waters that don't go too far. remember mueller has donald trump's tax records, something no one else has really been able to have access to. and looking at his past business dealings in russia and also just the way he's operated over the decades, that could be a very slippery slope for this president. >> and just to clar fae, we don't know if mueller has the tax records. hold your thought. i will definitely come back to you. jeffrey, the public has definitely said he fired comey with the russia investigation in mind. what's stopping the president
from firing mueller or pardoning whoever is indicted. >> well, those are two separate questions. there's certainly nothing stopping him from poderning anyone who's indicted. i think even republicans might abandon him if he were to do that right off the bat. i haven't heard any suggestions he's going to do that. obviously we don't know who was indicted. as for firing mueller, i mean that is something that's been raised as a possibility. but it is not a simple process. what the president would have to do was direct his subordinates at the department of justice to fire mueller. he couldn't fire mueller directly. he would have to direct rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who because attorney general sessions who has recused himself is in charge of the investigation, he would have to direct rosenstein to fire him. rosenstein would then have to decide whether to follow that
order or resign. and then rosenstein's subordinates, if rosenstein resigned would have to decide whether they wanted to follow him. all of this would raise certainly the specter of the saturday night massacre in 1973 where several justice department officials resigned rather than agree to fire arch bald cox, the watergate special prosecutor. so i think you are correct that the pardon power exists. you are correct that the possibility of firing mueller exists. but the political cost, both of those could be enormous for president trump if he tried either route. and i think at the moment at least both of those seem likely. >> and we don't know what the president is planning to do, we haven't heard from the president at all. he's he hasn't tweeted about it.
isn't this a sign he's taking this seriously? >> well, he has been talking about mueller less in recent weeks, which seems to me he's taken the advice to lay low on the subject. however, i do think we are all covering this news intensely as we should, but we don't know the key facts. we don't know who was indicted. we don't know for what. so i think it would be hard even for president trump to react to nudes that is at the moment still very, very incleomplete. >> michael, what's the strategy behind fielding an indictment and then we have a couple of days possibly longer until there's actually an arrest. >> so they seal indictments for a number of reasons. one reason may be they want to know the whereabouts of the person who's going to be arrested. so if he's out of town, out of the country, they keep it sealed
until they have the person in their sights, if you will, so that an arrest could be made. similarly the person is deemed to be a flight risk and they don't want to give the person a heads up so they could flee. typically those are the reasons they seal it so they can get ready for the arrest and the presentation of the individual at court. in this case it's hard to imagine that somebody is going to flee the country or is not likely to be found. but that's typically what happens in these cases. so there probably is some thought they want to make sure they know where the person is they can bring him in when their ready to bring him in, which may be monday. >> doug, john dean he said yesterday as the story broke, the best thing the trump team could do is learn from their mistakes, not overreact. what do you think are the lessons and take-aways that should be learned, again, from
the nixon experience? >> don't do what zwrefry toobin was pointing to a saturday night massacre, don't do a massive cover up. don't fire mueller. let the truth go forward. if you really have nothing you're guilty of, believe in the system of the united states. you asked me how close is this at the white house, jared kushner is under deep suspicion this evening by people. it will just consume everything donald trump tries to do in the coming months. forget about tax reform bill and the like. i mean this is just going to ricochet all over washington on monday if it turns out to be some of these major players are indeed the ones with arrest warrants. >> really quick, mike, if it's not a major player, michael, does that tell you anything about whether mueller has more firepower that he just hasn't either gotten to yet or is
withholding? >> so lots of prosecutors like to start with smaller fish and move slowly up the food chain to the more substantial targets. so if you see this is just a second tier player, it may be that's the strategy, just move up, try to get that person if they have information that might lead to cooperatation agreement to cooperate. flip inperson as they say in the vernacular of law enforcement. so it may be that. i wanted to add one quick thing. >> sure. >> which is the lesson john dean should teach us is don't lie under oath. and there's a lot of people here who still have to come into mueller's grand jury or be deposed 3467 and if they lie under oath irrespective if they did anything wrong at the out set, that lie will get them into much bigger trouble than the proven conduct itself.
>> we saw that in the truman administration. coming up oswald, cuban agents, and the kgb. intriguing new details about the jfk assassination thanks to the newly released documents. we'll talk to the man who did the authorized meeting with the kgb about kennedy's killer. that's next. that's why i rent from national. where i get the control to choose any car in the aisle i want, not some car they choose for me. which makes me one smooth operator. ah! still a little tender. (vo) go national. go like a pro.
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week to with hold thousands of potentially sensitive documents, at least for now. cnn's brian todd reports. >> reporter: tantalizing new details in the newly released kennedy assassination files. revealing lee harvey oswald spoke in broken russian to a kgb agent. another jfk file on oswald proficiency with a rifle. it details a conversation between two cuban intelligence officers in 1967. one says, coat, oswald must have been a good shot. the other agent replied oh, he was quite good. asked how he knew this, he replies, oh, i knew him. >> the conpeeratorial angle would be, hey, the cubans were behind oswald assassinating a president. but it's much more likely it's something more simple.
it's someone boasting to another penn. oh, i knew him four years ago. this is four years after the assassination. >> reporter: it leaves us wanting more. some analysts say some agencies are notorious for overclassifying. >> often you will find in a research file newspaper clippings that have already been published marked secret. now, how could newspaper clippings that have already been published be a state secret? but it's just seizure for government agencies to do that. then they don't have to respond under the law to a lot of requests that they get. >> reporter: but veteran intelligence operatives say there are good reasons why some of the jfk files should never be released. >> some of the things in there might be assets overseas that are feeding their intelligence engine. >> was he the one that acted -- >> reporter: o'neil was played
by ryan felipe in the film "breach." >> there can be assets compromised, sources that we began recruiting back then that are finally materialized. there could also be the family of assets that are no longer useful but could be put in danger if this information comes out. >> reporter: eric reveals that not releasing documents even if it's to protect valuable sources might provide fodder for conspiracy theorists. in fact some that are were already released might be doing that. in fact, this one a deposition of richard helms. the document cuts off before helms answers if he might have been a cia agent. >> thank you, brian todd.
let's talk it over with bob bair and -- i want to start with you. you say oswald was not an fbi informant and released documents prove that, right? >> that's correct. the bureau conducted from fbi headquarters a nation would 56 field division teletype that came out in these documents that shows they canvassed every agent and special agent in charge in the field to try to determine whether or not lee harvey oswald was ever utilized as a potential criminal informant or a bureau informant, and it came back with negative results. >> now your meeting with kgb, what valuable information did you gain? >> what i came to the conclusion was in dealing with the kgb,
oswald went to the kgb on two occasions. he of course made the telephone calls, but one of the things that was a consistent theme was when the kgb encountered oswald, they found him to be very unstable, irrational, very demanding and almost to the point of des appreciation. in fact when i spoke with the colonel, what had happened was oswald had niinitially gone to e kgb or to the soviet union two years previous before. they had an expensive file on oswald. so when he shows up in mexico city at the mexican embassy they already knew who oswald was back at headquarters, but the agents in the field did not. so he goes there and encounters a kgb agent. he was late for lunch, so he passed him onto oleg. but he thought oswald was
completely just out of touch. he says, no, you have to go through the process, a four-month process to get your visa in order. and that in turn frustrated oswald who lied to the cubans and said everything was good to go, that he'd gotten everything approved. the only problem was the cubans double-checked with the russians and found it was a smoke screen. he indeed did not get approved. >> oh, my goodness. >> when oswald went back a second time, this time the person he ends up encountering is actually cosikav's boss. he sits him down and this time oswald brandishes a pistol, the same pistol he's later accused of officer jd tippet with in dallas. and they took the pistol away from him and they said, wait a
minute, calm down. at this point his hands are shaking, he's crying. he's demanding that the fbi's following him, they're on his tail and in fact he really, really needs them to speed up the process of getting this inner transit visa back to russia. >> what a story. that's a lot about oswald and the inside information you have. what a web of connections there. i want to get back to these documents and what we did or didn't learn because there's still so many questions. you think the big take away is people that believe the u.s. government is way too secretive actually turned out to be right? >> well, i think clearly they are. as ferris and i have talked about, when he calls the russian embassy who is well-known in cia and has a cryptic phone call with the russians the question is why didn't the cia then tell the fbi, then tell the agent
handling oswald in dallas? had that agent known about that meeting, known about mexico city he would have clearly been more alert when kennedy shows up. but the story doesn't end with the russians. the russians i agree with, ferris thought he was nuts. but what they did is essentially hand him over to the cubans. he starts raving about not getting a visa and yells out according to fbi, a very good source, i'm going to kill jfk. you would think that would be the end of the but there's -- >> red flag, right? ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. >> red flag. but later oswald goes to a party where there's a cuban intelligence officer. now did they meet later on? but it was very suspicious and the state department came up with the reporting wondering about the cubans. and now we have this intercept of two cuban intelligence officers saying oswald was a
good shot. when he took his first shot against an american politician it was general walker. he missed him, but then disappears in louisiana in the bayou training with cuban dissidents, and by the time he got to deally plaza, he was able to kill the president of the united states. and that is certainly a suspicion of investigators. >> bob and ferris, thank you both for being here. coming ups a president trump has vowed to end the opioid epidemic, an intimate look of the people he's vowed to save. >> i didn't think i would grow up being a heroin addict. >> what are your hopes and dreams? >> to get sober, to have a f
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darvish said after it happened, no one is perfect. he wants to move forward and not focus on anger. tonight silken valley under scrutiny. one of the most influential places on the planet could be at a breaking point. cnn's laurie segall explores inissue in a cnn special for her mostly human series. here's a sneak peek. >> reporter: tech companies with power and control over what we see. >> all speech has controversial reasons that's effect, and this shouldn't be controlled. >> reporter: and culture war bubbling under the surface. secret identities. >> people want to out people who are center right as if it's like a sport.
>> reporter: and lies. >> i was completely black balled in the community. >> reporter: online communities congregating around something -- >> i think in many ways we have become off-line with people we are online. >> reporter: it's the very same technology designed to give everyone a voice, is it dividing us further? >> and now cnn tech correspondent laurie segall is joining us. laurie, so fascinating. that was a good teaser. you and your special, take a look at the culture war beneath the surface in the tech world. what can we expect to see? >> it's so interesting. when i started coming to tech, i remember sitting oen a bench with someone from twitter. now the question is how are you making sure russia is not influencing your election with your platform? the power and influence of technology, the delicate lines
between censorship and free speech and the growing role these founders in deciding who gets to stay on the platform and who goes. and we also look at issues of gender and diversity and how much this is playing out. and so much is playing out in silken valley, and they're having to look in the mirror which is fascinating. >> when you're talking about gender issues, diversity issues, those are ones we thoughts a country we happen dealing with. now, you talked to under cover conservatives who said they're afraid to express their ideology. what did you learn from that the. >> this is fascinating because i've protected identities before in my reporting but never had to be asked to protect someone's identity because their conservative and afraid to speak out their believes. listen to what one entrepreneur
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silken valley. >> yeah, we talked to under dogs and a lot of people they feel they're under attack. and a lot of women who don't feel safe in these environments. i had a couple of different women speaking out who say they had to do womanenly tasks. they had to do the dishes in a start-up. there was a room called the kink room where apparently bad behavior happened. and one woman talked to me about having to cleanup under wear the next day. i keep coming to back to the idea this is 2017 and we're still having this conversation. all of these women want to know what now? you want silken valley to be a place, it's a progressive place and people think about the future there. you want them to be in the future and not stuck in the past. >> it's so interesting. and thank you for pulling back the curtain for all of us. the full special airs next sunday at 2:30 in the afternoon right here on cnn.
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