tv CNN Newsroom With Ana Cabrera CNN October 29, 2017 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
hello on this sundays. i'm ana cabrera in new york. we may see the first arrest in the russia investigation led by special counsel robert mueller. right now, we do not know the name or names of those facing charges. the specific allegations are sealed under an order from a federal judge. one of the targets should be worried. watch this. i think anybody who has been advised by the special counsel's office therz a target in the investigation, which i'm sure he has done to those who are, should be concerned. for us to have confidence in the process, we have to make sure the grand jury process remains
confidential so the special counsel can work effectively to get to the bottom of all that he's looking into. >> as the first indictment looms, president trump is venting via social media. the president unleashing a series of blistering twitter attacks, taking shots at hillary clinton, the democrats and the russia probe. cnn broke the story of the charges from mueller's investigation. let's get to boris sanchez. mueller did not start this investigation from scratch. how significant is that? >> reporter: it's very significant. robert mueller inherited several investigations at different agencies, not only at the department of justice and the fbi, but the irs, specifically when it comes to paul manafort. we don't know how that will play with the charges we are expecting to see within the next day or so. it gives an indication of how broad the investigation goes. it's not just looking into
potential, alleged collusion between the trump campaign and russia, but paul manafort's ties to ukraine and michael flynn's ties to turkey. in the circumstances surrounding flynn's dismissal and the firing of jam comeny. this is a very broad investigation. we won't get a sense of just howdy verse these charges are until they finally come down. ana? >> the president has been unleashing his fury today. we mentioned that at the top. you have the details, fill us in. >> reporter: that's right. you would think this is still campaign season the way donald trump is tweeting about hillary clinton. earlier this morning, he lamented a lack of investigations with the former first lady and secretary of state. he brought up a number of issues, accusations about hillary clinton, ranging from that now infamous dossier put together by fusion gps, the
company that was hired by the clinton campaign to come up with opposition research on donald trump and he brought up the uranium deal, the fact hillary clinton was bribed by russian officials to get a more favored iranian deal and the comy fix the accusation he didn't press charges on her use of a private server. in one portion of the tweets, the president reveals his thinking. he says instead of looking at these investigations, they focus on phony trump/russia collusion. we were able to ask the white house attorney as to whether or not these tweets the president sent out this morning were related to the news that at any moment we may get charges from robert mueller's special probe. he denied that. he said the statements from the president have nothing to do
with that news, but it's clear from what the president said, he's unhappy that all these investigations are unfolding and the way he is targeting hillary clinton at this time, with so much on the table, whether a tax reform bill that is expected to be unveiled on wednesday or upcoming trip to asia kicking off next weekend with tensions with north korea at a serious high. beyond that, the announcement of a fed chair due this week, there's so much going on. curious the president is choosing this weekend to focus on hillary clinton. ana? >> somebody who he defeated in an election almost a year ago. thank you. i want to talk about the developments in the mueller investigation. joining us now, two cnn commentators, john kelly and maria cardona, a democratic strategist. scott, if someone is taken into custody, what is the best case scenario for republicans?
who would it be? >> i don't know who would be a best case scenario, but one thing we know is they are looking into things and people who have nothing to do with the donald trump for president campaign. on manafort, they are looking at things regarding financial transactions, taxes, business dealings. that has nothing to do with donald trump. if you are looking for a best case scenario, the grand jury is returning an indictment on a piece of information unconnected with russian collusion. i suspect if that happens, you will hear the white house say, look, this is unconnected to the original point of this special counsel. so, best case, that's probably it. of course, anytime anyone is getting indicted there's no good case in washington, d.c. >> yeah. maria, what if the charges were something not directly related to the election or not for a so-called big fish being indicted. is it a political win for president trump who argued all along, no collusion? >> no, absolutely not.
that will be the way he will try to spin it and supporters will try to spin it. look, what's clear, first from his twitter storm in the past 24 hours, and from this past week, the way they have tried to and certainly president trump has tried to lay this jedi mind trick saying there's nothing to see here, no collusion and move along. by the way, look at hillary clinton. he makes two things very clear, the first one is that he has a transparent suspicion of his own legitimacy of the president of the united states because he's obsessed with hillary clinton. he knows she won 3 million more votes than him and he can't get over it. the second thing is, they are clearly worried about the mueller investigation and the walls closing in. i don't think there is a best case scenario of what can happen tomorrow because it is an investigation and is frankly,
just the beginning from everything i hear. we don't know what the indictments are going to be. we don't know who it is going to be. we don't know what the slate of indictments or issues are going to be, either. what most legal minds have said and experts said is what we can most likely expect is that this is just the beginning of a very long and protracted investigation because it is very broad and it is very complicated about an incredibly important and critical issue that president trump still has yet to acknowledge or take seriously which is russian meddling into the u.s. elections. >> scott, the fact of the matter is, actual charges have been filed. how can president trump call this investigation a hoax? >> well, i think he's talking specifically about the concept of russian collusion. he maintained all along he personally has no knowledge of collusion with russians. that may be true.
>> if the investigation is leading to charges of a crime, it seems to suggest there is some there there, maybe not collusion, specifically. >> you don't necessarily know that yet. we don't know that because mueller, as it was pointed out by boris in the report, inherited investigation of manafort that has nothing to do with russian collusion and the campaign. >> we don't know that. >> that's an outcome that could come. we don't know that at the moment and the president is reacting to the fact that several members of congress on relevant committees came out and said, no, we have not uncovered concrete evidence of collusion. he had heard those statements. he's waiting for somebody to say, here is the collusion while he's watching the news coverage claiming collusion, but no one has the answer. maria is right, this is the beginning of what mueller is going to do. at the moment, there's no direct evidence of collusion and the president knows that.
he's upset people are claiming it's a curve when it's not proven. >> just to clarify because i don't want anybody to say it but i'm not saying there's collusion. there's evidence of a crime in the investigation. maria, the president tweeting all of this russia and i use the quotes because he used them in his tweet. the russia talk when the republicans are making a push for historic tax can you wants and reform. is this co-incidental? not. what is your response to that? >> what is ironic is he is the one who is obsessed with quote, unquote, russia. he's the one that keeps tweeting about it and ignoring tax reform, north korea, health care. i can understand why because all of those things, all of his legislative agenda has thus far been a complete and total failure. i understand why he's tweeting about russia.
i understand why he is obsessed and continues to bring up hillary clinton, because it's political crack for his base. we saw recently a fox news poll, right? the only network that trump believes is not fake news, they had a poll that said his approval ratings are sliding even among his base. he had a record low 38% in this fox news poll and that does not bode well. i'm assuming it was a combination of those really horrible poll numbers. maybe they had a feeling something was coming down the pike on the mueller investigation. they started doing this sort of waving of the, there's nothing to see here, look at hillary clinton. look at everything she's done. oh, my goodness. you know, some of the trump supporters went so far as to talk about his freudian slip and mentioned the clinton administration should be under investigation. again, this is trump's fault that he is not focused on the
issues at hand, which is why the majority of the country does not think he is fit to have the office of the president of the united states. >> scott, he seems to be focusing a lot on hillary clinton. >> yeah, he is. he's focused on her for a very long time. we heard members of congress say there's questions that need to be answered about the issues the president raise zed. i'm sure we'll get to that. they have ties to people that have explaining to do. we'll get to that in due time. on the policy argument, i don't agree with maria. they had, by they, i mean the republicans in washington had the best week since the president went to washington, d.c. to become the president. they had movement toward tax reform. they had judicial nominations coming through with the senate majority leader mcconnell scheduling the votes and great economic numbers on friday. the news about the special counsel indictment was a wet blanket, i admit.
in terms of policy, they are going forward on the things american people want them to work on, tax cuts, tax reform, getting the judiciary back, drag it back from the left. >> to the chagrin of the majority of americans. >> at the same time, this special counsel investigation is proceeding. >> but, scott, you bring up a good point, you are right, the economy is doing great. 3% growth and two quarters in a row, really strong growth. why isn't the president focusing on that? >> exactly. >> it almost is sending a message that hillary clinton is the person that can unite republicans. we haven't seen them pass health care. we haven't seen them pass a tax reform agenda. in fact, we have seen infighting with republicans with bob corker and jeff flake making their bold statements. it doesn't sound like there's a
lot of. >> the republicans regained a chance to hold the senate seat in arizona. that's it. we were going to lose that seat. jeff flake was going to lose to ward. now the republicans have a chance to nominate somebody that can hold the seat. that's a net positive for the republican party. they have been steadily moving toward tax reform. they got the budget votes they need out of the senate and the house. there's unity in the republican party to get tax reform done. this is the core of who the party is and what the party base wants. they are not going to let go of that. tax reform is moving to a place we are going to see before the end of the year. >> the problem is the majority of americans hate this tax reform plan because it's a huge wet kiss to millionaires and billionaires and the working class families get screwed. >> we'll see the details of the plan come wednesday. that's what republicans say. >> so they say. >> thank you so much.
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i asked the senator if the investigation she called for into the deal would continue. >> oh, yes. yes. yes. there are issues here in how this contract came about. there are issues in the contract itself and the question, as we all would want is, we would hate to see in any disaster, anywhere in the united states of america someone coming in and having the ability to make a lot more money off of the disaster than is necessary for the recovery. i think what we want to make sure is that we learn from this situation and never let it happen again. >> correspondent martin savidge is joining us from san juan. officials there initially defended the contract. what are you learning about the decision to cancel it? >> reporter: what has happened is the original contract has become incredibly controversial.
really, what we are talking about is not so much power that you plug into the wall, but political power. there's a lot of questions raised of what influence was raised. let me paraphrase a statement that just came out from whitefish itself in reaction to what the governor wants to do, which is basically tell the power authority here to end the deal. whitefish says we are very disappointed in the decision to cancel the contract which led to the announcement this afternoon. they go on to say, we will certainly finish any work that they want us to complete and stand by our commitments knowing how important it is to the puerto rican people. they also mentioned something, which many had been thinking about here, that is, this is only going to delay the process of getting the power back on to people. right now, it's 29.7%. that is how limited the
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it cease a waiting game in washington as we brace for an arrest in special counsel robert muellers investigation. he approved charges against at least one person and they could be taken into custody as soon as tomorrow. the identity of what has been charged is anyone's guess. for now, the indictment is sealed. i want to bring in the panel to sort through what is pausable and what is not and what it means in the big scheme of things. joining us is julian, a historian and professor. mario and former congressman, steve israel. most legal analysts we spoke with expect the charges to be either for paul manafort or michael flynn. we know mueller has been looking at them over the summer.
they raided manafort's home and told him to expect an indictment. would you be surprised if this was for someone other than manafort or flynn? >> honestly, i wouldn't be surprised. i will tell you one piece of information that is leading me to think it could be someone else is that there was reporting yesterday that manafort and flynn's attorneys were not notified that an indictment was coming. typically, in a white collar criminal investigation, the prosecutor lets the attorney know to bring the client to court without the need for an arrest. now, it could be for various reasons mueller wants there to be an arrest because he's concerned about risk of flight or other concerns in terms of the appearance of it. it could be for flynn's son, as an effort to get cooperation. it could be an accountant, an associate. there's a number of people it could be for. at this point, no one would
surprise me. >> julian, you said it doesn't really manter who is going to be arrested or what the charges are, but this could be a pivotal point in the investigation. >> sure, politically, it can be very important. the last week, we have heard president trump try to shift the tension to hillary clinton, even hearing calls for the resignation of robert mueller emerging in certain circles. all of a sudden, we are back to the investigation. historically in moments like watergate, iran contra, indictments can be powerful. all of a sudden, we are hearing criminal action connected to the administration. again, we don't know what is coming out. if that is the story, it can be politically damaging to the president, put him in a defensive position. >> congressman, this is one of several investigations. there are three investigations in congress. you know how the congressional
committees operate. how much will what we learn with the indictment impact where congress goes with their investigations? >> well, you are right, there are independent investigations. i'm not certain the outcome of the mueller investigation, which won't stop tomorrow, it will continue. it will have bearing on the house intelligence committee. we don't know what is going to happen tomorrow, but we know this, whatever happens is going to result in a president who will be consumed with his legal and political survival. look at what happened this morning. this is a president who woke up, did this tweet storm attacking hillary clinton as if they were still running, attacking democrats. he did not talk about the fact we want to make sure our national security is okay. he did not talk about his upcoming trip to asia. he was not thinking of veterans or middle class expansion. he was thinking about himself. no matter what happens tomorrow, we will continue to see a
president and presidency consumed not with the american people, but himself. the casualties of this investigation will be the american people who will be neglected. >> ra thdo you think there's a strategy of having a gap of when we learned of the indictment or when the actual arrests are made? could mueller be testing to see how people react? >> no, i don't think so. it would be unlawful for someone on mueller's team to be giving this information out to the press. so, i expect that this is either coming from the defense, so if there's a defense counsel who is told his client is going to be brought in on monday, for example, that letting the news leak out on friday might lessen the blow of the coverage on monday and allow time for it to seep in or speculation to go elsewhere. alternatively, it could be somebody who is an add min
person of the court or associated with the grand jury, a grand juror. who know who is let this information out. i think we don't know who it is. i would be surprised if it's a strategy. >> an ancillary charge against someone who isn't close to trump's orbit, a trump associate of a trump associate which could be the case here. does that play to the narrative that the president has been speaking to all along that this is simply a witch hunt? >> no, it doesn't. robert mueller claimed the long game and is trying to piece together a case. if it's a smaller person, it could be part of an effort to flip someone, to get information on someone bigger or could gradually be about building a bigger case. so, there's no reason to assume this isn't a high level official that this is as the president says a witch hunt. there's a lot of evidence at this point.
itis not a witch hunt. it is the opening of our look into what robert mueller is trying to understand. >> when you talked about hillary clinton and the president looking backward, not forward, he has, as you mentioned, spent time on twitter attacking his z past political faux, hillary clinton. this is something he has done in the past. he's obviously showing he's ready for a fight and this strategy worked well for him in the past. any reason to think it wouldn't this time? >> well, you know, the strategy may have worked well, except there's a poll out that says he's down to 35% job approval. the reason is people are getting more and more fatigued with the deflection. they want a president who is not a fighter for themselves, but a fighter for them. there's no question, this is going to continue to erode the presidency and, if i may on the question you asked before, remember watergate.
who knew who g. gordon liddy was or the initial characters? ultimately, it led to a resignation of a president of the united states. we want this investigation to be pristine and pure. there is nobody more credible than bob mueller. i was a member of congress when he was head. there's nobody with a better reputation. we ought to let this investigation go to where the facts are. >> you had something you wanted to say about that? >> the indictments in watergate came after the grand jury met 22 months. we have to remember, this is so fast. we are in a fast paced culture. these investigations take time and they can break in big ways, but it may not happen right away. >> is this a fast paced investigation in your mind? >> a fast pace? absolutely. >> not facts base. i would assume that. is it moving quickly? >> yes, it's extremely quickly.
it's funny because when the news broke of the indictment, i was at dinner. i said i didn't expect an indictment to come down until 2018. i looked very foolish an hour later. i spent years at times investigating white collar criminal cases and for something to come down this quickly suggests that, you know, the investigation is still ongoing and this is an early indictment meant to flip somebody, a key person in the case to help it move forward and not at all the end of the investigation. >> congressman, the russia investigation has become politicized, you can't deny that. which party has the most to lose? >> well, ana, quite bluntly, the republican party. they are the ones who engaged in meetings with kremlin officials and nobody should be surprised this president is saying, well, you did it, too. you did it worse. that is part of his deflection.
this is not to suggest there's relativism or both parties deserve blame as i think, sbenlly trying to show balance where there's none required. this is a problem for donald trump. this is a problem for the republicans. as i said before, ultimately, it's a problem for the american people because this white house will not be focusing on them, they will focus on their legal and political survival. congressman steve israel, julian, thank you all. >> thank you. a short time ago, more than 30 members of the houstan texans kneeled. mcnair reportedly said, the league can't have inmates running the prison. the texans owner has already issued two apologies saying, in part, i am truly sorry to the players how this impacted them and the perception it created of me, which could not be further
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strangled army staff sergeant melvin loguer to death. those would be some serious charges, if proven. what more do we know about this investigation? >> there would be indeed. we know his wife was told the military investigation had determined his death was a suicide. the military did not make his death publicly announce his death when he died in june but the military cornerer determined it was a homicide and his wife was informed it was a murder. they have transferred the investigation from the army to the ncic indicating maybe personnel are subjects of the investigation. >> do we know anything about what the potential charges could be in terms of this investigation, should it lead to that? >> the military's caroner's office determined it was murder, this would be charged.
the fact that the navy only took over the investigation late in september indicates that the investigation is still in its early stages so it's not quite clear when charges might come along. >> ryan, thank you. investors are anticipating a busy week on wall street and lawyers for top social media companies will testify about russian meddling and friday's job reports. allison is here with this before the bell. >> hi, ana. this week, wall street will finally get details on tax reform. investors are eager to see what house republicans have come up with. hopes for tax reform have pushed stocks to record highs since the election. kevin brady says he will introduce it wednesday and says the goals are more jobs, fairer taxes and bigger paychecks.
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a police officer battling stage 4 colon cancer could have chosen light duty something the officers would have understood, but he went beyond the call of duty. officer ramon's heroic story. >> reporter: when hurricane harvey dropped a deluge of water on houston. >> the rain just kept coming down, i mean coming down. >> reporter: police officer norbert ramon headed to the only station he could get to. lake patrol, right on lake houston. >> it seemed like the apocalypse, it was unreal. >> reporter: with flood waters in neighborhoods, they took to boats using trees and sunken cars to whisk people to safety. >> they wanted to bring everything with them, you could only tell them to bring so much.
>> reporter: working 12 hour shifts, officer ramon was in and out of water helping to rescue people. >> what sticks in my head is those children. you see different emotions. >> reporter: how many people do you think you would have rescued? >> i don't know. 200, 300 easily. he never showed signs of anything wrong. >> reporter: what's wrong with stage 4 liver cancer spread to his liver and lungs. he gets therapy every two weeks, a constant reminder of his batter. >> i'm out there on the streets and i have to leave half a day to go up there and do this. i'm with these guys. they keep me up. >> my respect level for him is beyond explanation. >> reporter: teamed up for boat rescues, alvin steelman had no clue about ramon's health crisis until after the water receded. >> he's not looking for sympathy. he wants to be part of the team,
and he was. he did everything everyone else did. >> for three days of his life he was in a world he didn't have to think about it. he was happy helping people. >> reporter: in fact, ramon was in no pain. >> he's a police officer first and then it's cancer. >> reporter: his wife of 13 years however was concerned. he posted this picture on the murky water to let her know he was all right. >> i was worried increasing-wise, didn't know how it would affect him, but at the same time, there was no way i could hold him back. >> reporter: rescuing others from the brink while in a battle for his own life. cnn, houston. >> we're live in the cnn "newsroom." top of the hour. great to have you with us. this time tomorrow, the first person could be in custody in the russia investigation, result of 5